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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (1 Viewer)

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What's interesting is that I have yet to meet a single person that knows anything about sports, nor encounter a single sportswriter's work, that makes an argument that a lack of championships matters in the slightest. 
Sure, when analyzing a player's career I'd mostly agree with this.  Barkley isn't any less of a player because of the fact that he didn't win a title.  But you're fooling yourself if, despite what he says, he doesn't wish he had won a title. 

Put yourself in Durant's shoes for a second and analyze his options.  Re-signing with the only team you've ever been a part of, and one with legit title shot aspirations is a perfectly fine option.  It's a small market, but you're beloved by the city and it's fan base and if you bring a title to OKC you pump your brand up another notch.  Awesome stuff.  Now, consider joining up with a team that plays fast and loose and despite it's already impressive collection of stars, plays as unselfishly as any team in the league.  A team that's coming off a historically great season, with the league's most insane home court fans, and a team should you choose to join will essentially be an all-star team that will be favored in 98% of it's games.  If I'm looking to add a ring or two and most importantly have a ####-ton of fun, this one is a no brainer.  I'm going to ball with Steph, Clay, and Draymond and see what happens.  What a ridiculously fun team that's going to be.  I just can't get on board with anyone criticizing that decision, unless you're a bitter OKC fan.

 
Sure, I'm just giving my initial reaction to the Durant deal.  No problem with his decision, but from an entertainment standpoint I'm worried it's a negative for what I personally enjoy about the NBA product.  And it's not like I hated last season or something, it was still incredibly fun of course. Just not nearly as fun as 2014-15 IMO.

Also possible that the Wizards' return to mediocrity and failure after two years of borderline relevance may have something to do with my feelings.
no worry, you're one of the rational ones :thumbup:  

you've got Beal and Wall. maybe an incompetent front office but at least there's that.

 
I didn't say losing Wade would kill the team. I didn't say he left because of money and nothing else. I didn't say Riley was a bad GM or that he hadn't had a successful career.  All I said was that the LeBetard article was silly because it pretended not to know why Wade might feel slighted by or bitter towards the Heat front office when everyone has a pretty good idea of why Wade might feel that way.  No idea where the rest of your rant came from, but it's top notch stuff!
To Dan's credit, he wrote it on the fly and had it up by 1-2AM, perhaps if he had an entire 8 hours to work on it...Leb is a major Heat homer.

And Todem hates Lebatard so you actually have something in common. 

 
Everyone thinks that.  But your backlash against the backlash is very cool.  Thumbs up for being that guy.  Next your gonna tell me fat Barkley teaming up with old Hakeem and Clyde is on par with KD going to GSW.  Ok.  Get a clue.

Context matters.  
What?

 
That's going to hurt GSW a bunch since they don't have Durant Bird Rights.  They're probably going to have to renounce Iggy to get under the cap to re-up Durant.  
They'll have it for Curry, so they just sign Durant first.   Pretty easy to game this salary cap structure, that's the way the Heat were formed to start with.

 
What a league 
I love the explanation.  Apparently the 107-8 figure baked in an assumption that teams won't spend enough this year.  That won't be the case, so they lopped off 5 million.  

With cap holds, GSW is 10 million over the 17-8 cap now.  Previously they could renounce Livingston (6 million hold).  Now they will probably have to renounce Iggy (11 million hold).

 
Do the Heat match Tyler Johnson now?
Do the Heat force Bosh to sit and collect his money so they can start clearing out cap space to make a big run without him? Miami is now looking at the 2017 off season and probably were anyways. 

It's going to get very ugly.  

 
They'll have it for Curry, so they just sign Durant first.   Pretty easy to game this salary cap structure, that's the way the Heat were formed to start with.
They can only sign Durant for the available cap space.  With holds and assuming he opts out, they'd now only have 17 million or so in space to sign him.  To get him to the max, they now have to renounce Iggy (and probably Livingston).  

 
They'll have it for Curry, so they just sign Durant first.   Pretty easy to game this salary cap structure, that's the way the Heat were formed to start with.
It really is extraordinary how much wrong you stuffed into so few words.  And that's even in the context of the last five pages of this thread.

 
If you renounce the cap hold, can you still resign the player? Maybe you can resign, but lose bird rights, so they can only sign for minimum?

They can sign Curry last so his contract doesn't matter, but Durant/Iggy might have to split what's left.

 
If you renounce the cap hold, can you still resign the player? Maybe you can resign, but lose bird rights, so they can only sign for minimum?

They can sign Curry last so his contract doesn't matter, but Durant/Iggy might have to split what's left.
If you renounce the player you can still resign them, but it has to be for cap space or an exception. I doubt Durant is taking any less than the max. 

Edit: I'm not sure there is going to be a huge league wide market for 33 year old Iggy so the Warriors might have that going for them. 

 
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Forgot about the opt out of the CBA come December. Not going to matter. The rules will all change then anyway.

 
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Thread during the Finals was LeBron homers vs Lebron realists schitck.

Thread currently is either local salary cap expurts or create fake teams to play the new GSWs.

You decide which is worse.

 
With Boban on board, Pistons clearly now title favorites IMO.

Big question though is whether they pull back that max offer to Drummond - that's a lot of money to pay a backup center.

 
Good take: Seven heavy thoughts on what Kevin Durant joining the Warriors means

Let's be very clear: Durant is joining Curry's team.

But let's say you disagree with that, which is understandable. Let's say that you think he's not No. 2 behind Curry, and that Durant is just another member of the Warriors along with Draymond Green and Klay Thompson. He's part of a super team. Thats fine. But that still doesn't make him what he was in Oklahoma City.

No matter what Russell Westbrook did, no matter how well he played or how much he became a distributor later this season, Durant was the guy. The "man" if you prefer a pretty gender-loaded term. Oklahoma City was Durant's team, no matter what. Westbrook may not have been his Robin, but Durant was Batman.

That is not the case. He went from KEVIN DURANT to "Golden State Warriors forward Kevin Durant." That's it. Maybe the offense will be reconfigured and Durant will have as high or higher of a usage rate as Steph Curry. Maybe this will, as so many have said, "unlock Durant's potential," as if his 2014 MVP season and the other amazing performance he's put on showed he was limited in OKC. But Durant is not going to be what he was in Oklahoma City, a guy who was the face of not just a team but a city, a guy who could have brought a championship and established a kingdom of his own for decades to come. Durant could have gotten a statue outside that arena.

He'll likely win multiple championships, and in the end, that's the standard that we hold players to. But Ray Allen isn't considered the same way as Dirk Nowitzki, and Clyde Drexler is not thought of the same way as Hakeem Olajuwon. That comparison isn't perfect, because Allen and Drexler were never as good as Durant. But Durant said he wanted to be No. 1 and then went and joined up with the No. 1 player (as far as the regular season goes, with apologies to the King) on the No. 1 team, and the one that beat him, just barely, in the Western Conference finals.

It's fine that Durant made the choice to be just another great player on a team of great players in Golden State. There is no right or wrong here. But we talk in sports about how we perceive players, about what they mean to the sport and to the fans. There is a legacy question here, no matter how much you may hate the idea. Durant changed that. He didn't damage it, he didn't ruin it, he didn't poison it. He's the same guy.

He's just a different basketball player in the NBA landscape, and you have to acknowledge that.
Also from the article, if this comes to pass, Durant's peers will be even more unhappy with his decision:

The NBA owners were working on a labor agreement to avoid a lockout next summer. The Warriors may have scuttled that. Owners wanted a hard cap in the 2011 CBA. They were drawn out of it by David Stern who knew how long it would take to squeeze that blood from the union's stone. Now seeing what the Warriors pulled, this could drive those owners to say there can be no other option, that this can never happen again.

 
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You keep wishing that will happen. At least they said they were tanking on purpose. What's he Knicks and Lakers excuse?
Your right if only Dolan would have been smart enough to say "the plan" as an excuse for being worst the team in the league the fan base could sleep better at night. 

 
from now on todeming somone is doing a 180 in your feeling about them like hey man i hate whitehead but he just signed so now i love him faith in riley or hey man i love wade he is the best but he left so screw him he sucks so bad faith in riley and you always have to end it with faith in riley this is a new thing now brohans take that to the bank 
My fondest Todem memory was when Lebron left the Heat.  Weeks leading up to the departure we had to hear how Miami was superior to Cleveland in every way and there was NO WAY Riley would have Lebron leave on his watch. 

 
Thread during the Finals was LeBron homers vs Lebron realists schitck.

Thread currently is either local salary cap expurts or create fake teams to play the new GSWs.

You decide which is worse.
did the baby get kidnapped on sons of anarchy or as guys like you and i who are in the know call it samcrow yet brohan take that to the bank

 
Jesus, did a five year old write this?

The trade between the Cavaliers and the Kings would greatly benefit both teams. Sacramento has a lot of good center players but no power forwards – Cleveland have great power forwards and need equally strong centers too. The Kings will have Love who is a good shooter and Shumpert who is good in defense. Meanwhile, Cleveland Cavaliers will get Cousins, who is a strong center player. 


 
Like with Golden State, Kerr could (and may even be wise to) rotate any one of their big 4 on a three man rotation resting everyone after every 3rd game. They would still win at least 60 games and could bring everyone on near full juice each game for the playoffs.

 
it's not as though the only NBA team is Golden State

29 other teams have fans and they don't all play GS every night

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:goodposting:

I mostly just follow the Pistons and don't concern myself too much with the title contenders until Detroit is out. One team running away with it won't affect my NBA enjoyment all that much. 

 
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