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Okafor should just sign with a Turkish team now instead of bothering everyone for the next two years.
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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (5 Viewers)
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wikkidpissah
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A. He looked outstanding in international play. He was my 3rd rder in every league where Zinger wasnt available this yr
C. mefears Adams is supermodel stoopid.
E. Been a Celtics fan since my uncle started taking me amongst the Gallery Gods & cigar smoke every Sunday in the late 50s. This is close to the most fun i've ever had watching them. The team is playing as different a brand of b-ball from everyone else as the Pats do fb (if there was only thiiiis much more skill) and the li'l fella follows every "no" opponents send him with five consecutive yesses. Couldn't have happened in hand-checking days but i dont care. Wish Boston wasnt so hesitant to call him The Leprechaun cuz he flat is.
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Arsenal of Doom
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I think this was a great trade for the Nuggets. Nurkic may still have upside but he was terrible on the court this year and apparently had a bad attitude off it. Plumlee is super athletic and a better fit to play along side Jokic and he's another excellent passer from the center position, which should help the ball movement that tends to grind to a halt when Jokic isn't on the floor currently. They have plenty of cap flexibility so I'm not overly concerned about the cost of resigning him. The Nuggets got significantly better with this trade IMO.
Kev4029
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I don't think he can guard power forwards, but we'll see. If he can play power forward defensively better than any of Arthur, Faried, or Chandler, it's a fine trade. If not we traded two assets for 400-500 of a backup center. And if they re-sign him this off-season, I think they are looking at a starting price of 4 years and 60 million based on contracts from last off-season (Mozgov, his brother, Biyombo, Noah, Mahimi - all players that got comparable contracts, all of whom are probably worse than Plumlee). He could end up with a contract that approaches $20 million a year. If they do sign him to a contract like that, you better like the team we have because they aren't signing anybody else of consequence next year.
wikkidpissah
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Never seen a sport go thru such a terrible run of GMing (bigman logjams all over the place, no apparent attention paid to compatibility, signing just to sign) and coaching, rotationwise as these last few yrs in the NBA
Craig_MiamiFL
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Definitely think he ends up at least Noah money. He's easily better than the stiffs that broke the bank last offseason. Hell his brother is trash and I believe he got $12-13mil/yr.
Speaking of last offseason, Portland's gonna regret that one for a long long long long long long time. They're paying Turner/MEYERS LEONARD/Crabbe nearly $50mil/yr for the next 3 seasons. Lot of ####### money for 3 guys that aren't even regular starters for them.Not long term, but they won't get a single minute from Ezeli this season. Spending to spend worked out wonderful.
They've either got to hit in the draft (3 2017 1st picks) or turn those picks into a cheap(ish) young player on rookie deal and hope he hits.
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76ers trade Jahlil Okafor to the Bulls for Micahel Carter-Williams, Isaiah Canaan, and a second round pick
just a joke, but man would it be funny if they made that trade. People would go insane
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76ers trade Jahlil Okafor to the Bulls for Micahel Carter-Williams, Isaiah Canaan, and a second round pick
just a joke, but man would it be funny if they made that trade. People would go insane
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Todem
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Once Bosh comes off the books and assuming Waiters opts out we will be in a position to add a max free agent from everything coming out of the teams front office. I have no idea what Riley is going to do with Waiters. He could easily trade him this season or if he is convinced he has turned the corner and will continue this level of play and maybe more make him part of a new foundation with Goran, Winslow, Richardson, Tyler Johnson, James Johnson and Whiteside. Hard to get a read on what Riley is cooking up. You just never know with Pat. He can pull off some crazy moves as he has proven many times. I just don’t think we have as many sexy assets as we had in the past. But we have a decent collection of solid players.
This years draft will also be critical. We have to hit on a impact player.
TobiasFunke
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GroveDiesel
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You know you've got a new low as an owner when you are paying people to protest in your favor outside the stadium and bringing in a guy like Latrell Sprewell to...Actually, I'm not even sure what he was trying to do with that one.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Serge Ibaka - F/C - Magic
According to Marc Stein of ESPN, there's a "growing sense around the league" that Serge Ibaka could be on the move before the Feb. 23 deadline.
It feels like there is a new Ibaka rumor every day, but that's what happens to talented impending free agents on struggling teams. The Magic may not be confident about their ability to re-sign Ibaka this summer and they may be wary about what kind of contract he could command, but it would be devastating for the franchise if he walked this summer without the Magic getting anything back in return. Rival teams are expecting the Magic to keep fielding offers up until the deadline, and Stein adds that Miami and Toronto are two of the teams that have expressed an interest this month.
Source: ESPN
Feb 13 - 9:25 AM
Danilo Gallinari - F - Nuggets
The Raptors and Clippers are "monitoring" Danilo Gallinari (groin) as the trade deadline approaches, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.
The Nuggets reportedly expect Gallo to opt for free agency this summer, bypassing a $16.1 million player option, so they might try to deal him before that happens. They're negotiating from a position of weakness, however, so it's unclear how much they could extract for the oft-injured veteran. To be clear, this is firmly in the 'rumor' stage.
Source: ESPN.com
According to Marc Stein of ESPN, there's a "growing sense around the league" that Serge Ibaka could be on the move before the Feb. 23 deadline.
It feels like there is a new Ibaka rumor every day, but that's what happens to talented impending free agents on struggling teams. The Magic may not be confident about their ability to re-sign Ibaka this summer and they may be wary about what kind of contract he could command, but it would be devastating for the franchise if he walked this summer without the Magic getting anything back in return. Rival teams are expecting the Magic to keep fielding offers up until the deadline, and Stein adds that Miami and Toronto are two of the teams that have expressed an interest this month.
Source: ESPN
Feb 13 - 9:25 AM
Danilo Gallinari - F - Nuggets
The Raptors and Clippers are "monitoring" Danilo Gallinari (groin) as the trade deadline approaches, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.
The Nuggets reportedly expect Gallo to opt for free agency this summer, bypassing a $16.1 million player option, so they might try to deal him before that happens. They're negotiating from a position of weakness, however, so it's unclear how much they could extract for the oft-injured veteran. To be clear, this is firmly in the 'rumor' stage.
Source: ESPN.com
Sammy3469
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It's a good move. I wouldn't exactly call it great. They still have a lot of deadweight and making over the front court via the draft (even this year's draft) is going to be hit or miss. The draft is deep at PG and SF/potential stretch 4s, but most of those guys will be gone unless they tank. Bridges is nice, but he's not Tatum/Isaac/Markkanen nice. The backend of the 1st where their 2nd two picks are is chocked full of bigs or varying quality.jvdesigns2002 said:
jvdesigns2002
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Nurkic is grossly under rated. He is one of the better younger bigs in the game. If Stotts believes in him and lets him play- he'll do great once that team develops some cohesion with him
Kev4029
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His problem isn't talent as much as attitude and effort, and that was a problem going back to his rookie year. He also thinks he's a better player than he is so he takes a lot of bad shots, especially in the post and he loafs when things aren't going his way. I'm bummed he didn't work out in Denver and I think he has the talent to be a decent starting center, but for the Nuggets, this move was addition by subtraction. He had become a huge headache for the organization.
I still don't like the move for Denver because I don't want them paying gobs of money for a backup center (unless they can make a big signing this offseason before resigning Plumlee because he has such a small cap hold) while taking them out of the running for one of one of the more premier free agents.
Kev4029
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They really need to dump some of their awful contracts. They are at about $130 million next season without Ezeli (or his $1 million guarantee if they cut him), Quarterman, or Connaughton, which takes them well into the luxury tax. Once they add three rookies ($6 million or so combined), they are going to be paying tens of millions in luxury tax. I think they are stockpiling picks to trade some contracts away. I also didn't know that Crabbe has a 15% trade kicker, so that contract, as well as Turner's are completely untradeable.
Dr. Octopus
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Dolan sitting with Sprewell and Kenny Sky Walker reminded me of the episode of Seinfeld where George invites the exterminator out to lunch to show his boss that he has a black friend. It was so contrived - how is this dope in charge of anything?GroveDiesel said:
jvdesigns2002
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I get your point--but my counterpoint would be to not ignore my use of the word "younger" when I called him one of the better "younger bigs in the game". While the stuff you say is true---they are things that are linked to immaturity in my opinion. These things are all things that can be worked on or solved with good solid coaching. I think Stotts is a better coach than Malone. Heck, Malone nearly ruined Jokic's confidence to start the season. I think any halfway decent coach could have figured out a way to made Nurkic useful enough to where they didn't have to trade him away for a player in a position that they didn't need. Denver needed a PG in my opinion---Mudiaye is terribly inefficient and Nelson is just old. I would have much rather seen Denver try to package a deal with New Orleans to where they landed Frazier and some pieces back. I think Denver dropped the ball and the arrows for both Nurkic and the Blazers is pointing upwards.
Sammy3469
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Denver has arguably the best non-unicorn offensive center in basketball who can't play the 4. They get a guy that compliments Jokic's strengths (they probably have the 2 best passing centers in basketball now) and can leverage the same playstyle for the entire 48 minutes now (and my guess is they might play/test Plumlee at the 4 as well). If they are building around Jokic, Nurkic had to go.
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Kev4029
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Some of the Nurkic rumors are more than just standard immaturity. He's Demarcus Cousins without the talent. Stories about him leaving a game at half time, yelling at coaches, and just being a ####ty teammate. I don't think that Malone really botched Jokic at the beginning of the year. The Nuggets FO and coaches knew that Jokic was the better player, but the ceiling on Nurkic was very high as well. The experiment to play the two together was something that needed to be done and fans were clamoring for it. When it was clear that it wasn't working, Jokic came to Malone and asked to come off the bench, not the other way around. I think Malone kept Nurkic starting because he knew that once he was benched he would be a total sunk cost, but Malone probably should have pulled the plug sooner. For Nurkic there was no other option. Either he was going to be the starting center or he was going to throw temper tantrums and the organization knew this.
I agree that PG was a bigger need than a backup center, but Tim Frazier was definitely not the answer. They need a PG that can shoot and defend because Jokic runs the offense and needs guards who can limit penetration defensively. Fraizer does neither.
Also, what do you see that has you thinking the arrow is pointing up for the Blazers or Nurkic? 8 months ago Zach Lowe was saying Boston should look to trade the #3 pick for Nurkic, but he didn't think that was enough for Denver. yesterday he was traded WITH a first round pick for a backup center on an expiring deal. As for the Blazers, they have by far the worst cap situation in the league, have an average offense with one of the worst defenses in the NBA, clearly just made a move to make them worse for 2017.
Kev4029
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They are definitely going to test Plumlee at the 4, and offensively it will work okay, just like it does with Faried. Defensively it won't work though.
Sammy3469
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I think it'll depend who he's guarding. Having watched entirely too much Plumlees in my lifetime, I do think he'd be an adequate defender at the 4 depending on who he's guarding. He's fairly mobile and quick, so there will be some matchups he'll be fine with (he's obviously not guarding Durant well, but someone like Favors or Aldridge, it may not be too bad).
Kev4029
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I agree with that. There is probably a third of the NBA that it wouldn't be a big deal (OKC, Utah, SA), a third that the Nuggets could probably find 5-10 mpg where it wouldn't be a big deal (Memphis), and a third of the NBA where he can only play center (LAC, GS, Houston). So here is to hoping they can somehow pass the Thunder for the 7th seed.
wikkidpissah
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Still quite bothered that i've yet to see/hear a well-investigated account of the Oakley thing. That's what's wrong with sports coverage these days - can't swing a dead Muggsy over your head without hitting someone who wants to spew on the rights & wrong of it but no one gets the actual story. Anyone who goes to work for the E either cant tear themselves away from their Evil Queen mirror, immediately loses curiosity about anything but the clickbait of what they're covering or pours their every effort into talking as much as possible without saying anything so not to risk their lucky perch.
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jvdesigns2002
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I disagree with you completely about Nurkic. Yes--he's an emotional and proud player---but I don't think he's the locker room cancer that you make him out to be. Hee's not the only player in Denver that has voiced displeasure on the lack of consistency, identity and minutes on that team. Wilson Chandler came out recently and said that. There were rumors that Faried was very unhappy with not knowing what role he had on the team anymore. Mudiaye was being used like a yo yo and had no idea how much he would be used. Malone had no idea of a vision for this team. He thought that he could just get a group of talented young players--and things would just magically come together. No halfway decent coach would ever bring who is clearly the best player on that team in from the bench. The issue with the Nuggets was never Nurkic--it was a lack of leadership in regards to organizationally and coaching. The exact same thing can be said for Demarcus Cousins and Sacramento. Demarcus Cousins is probably the only good thing Sacramento has going for them. The lack of leadership in regards to consistency within the organization and the coaching of that franchise is laughable at best. I assure you that even if the Kings trade Cousins away--they will still find a way to lose unless they couple that trade with leadership and consistency all the way up the organization.
I think the arrow is clearly pointing up for the Blazers and Nurkic. That team was going to have to pay Plumlee big money after this season--or they lose him for nothing. Plumlee is playing great basketball right now--and even with that--the Blazers were not doing anything--nor weren't going anywhere. Plumlee isn't really a post player and is rather limited offensively. If you pro-rate Nurks numbers to 36 mins a game--he'd be a 16pt and 11reb per game player--and could provide Portland what they have been lacking--a strong and powerful presense in the paint. Portland is adequate in regards to perimeter players and athleticism--they are lacking in sheer size and presense. Nurkic can help there. Having 3 1st round picks in 2017 is absolutely huge. That is a way for them to get better relatively inexpensively--or--they could use those picks as currency to get better through trades. Definitely arrow up for Portland. In regards to Nurk--anywhere but Denver would be an upgrade for him. The only way he matures and develops is through developing chemistry through getting consistent playing time. That was not going to happen in Denver. While his role in Portland is not clearly defined just yet--and it's possible Portland maybe lands other players--I still see him getting a bigger chance in Portland than he ever would have in Denver. For me--it's clear that this trade points the arrow upwards for Nurkic.
Kev4029
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It is clearly a better situation for him in Portland, and they is why they traded him there. Denver has made a point to trade guys into good situations. But you are way understating the problems that Nurkic was having. He went total scorched earth when he was moved to the bench, cussing at the coaches and like I said, rumor has it that he left a game at half time. That isn't remotely the same thing as Faried, Mudiay, and Chandler complaining about roles (only Faried has been yo-yoed unfairly, IMO, but he also has had attitude problems in the past so those might be related). Also, Nurkic had a defined role, he was the starting center, splitting time close to 50/50 with Jokic. When it became clear Jokic deserved more playing time as he was out playing Nurkic, Nurkic still would have had a defined role as the 15-20 mpg backup but he scoffed at that prospect and acted like a baby which caused his role to dwindle. Have a defined role wasn't his problem, having a role that he was capable of filling happily was.
Denver's lineup inconsistency is much more of a front office problem than Malone's. If Chandler was happy with his role, Faried, Gallo, and Barton wouldn't be. If Nurkic was happy with his role, Jokic wouldn't be playing enough and Faried's minutes would be cut so he would be unhappy. They have 10 guys that really deserve to be playing plus Nelson (I think Murray should be the backup PG, Nelson should be the third PG/5th guard). There just aren't enough minutes for 11 guys, especially when 4 of them (Chandler, Gallo, Jokic, Harris) all deserve 32+ mpg.
GroveDiesel
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I don't think there's a whole lot to it. Oakley and Dolan don't like each other. Oakley bought a ticket to the game with a seat somewhat near Dolan. Dolan had a bunch of security guys keeping tabs on Oakley and Oakley didn't care for it. Oakley was talking with some nearby fans and started to drop a ton of f-bombs in complaining about the security guys keeping tabs. Some people with kids nearby weren't real happy with the f-bombs and Dolan took advantage of the situation by having security ask Oakley to leave. At that point, Oakley freaked out and went ballistic, went at Dolan and that's when security swarmed and all the ugliness commenced.
Between what came from the Knicks, Oakley, and reports from fans nearby, I think that's pretty much the whole thing. I don't think Oakley or Dolan are blameless and both seem like old bitter men desperate to be liked but ultimately rather loathable individuals.
Major
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Oakley was initially pushed and fell down before he laid hands on security. He reacted accordingly.
modogg
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nope. I feel lie the Sixers front office is trolling their fans these days.
And man, i talked myself out of the ML tonight, but i knew they would slap Charlotte silly tonight for guaranteeing a win
modogg
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this is why i will always like the Lakers. And you can't even really blame Lakers fans here, but i love the rumour floating around that Anthony Davis and Russel Westbrook may both force trades to join the Lakers:
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/2/13/14599926/la-lakers-rumors-anthony-davis-russell-westbrook-los-angeles-agent-trade-free-agent-contract
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. Same team tanking to try and avoid losing their 1st round pick, is all of a sudden going to get these 2 and all of a sudden they will be a dynasty?
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/2/13/14599926/la-lakers-rumors-anthony-davis-russell-westbrook-los-angeles-agent-trade-free-agent-contract
Never change Lakers fans
. Same team tanking to try and avoid losing their 1st round pick, is all of a sudden going to get these 2 and all of a sudden they will be a dynasty?Aren't both those guys going to be eligible for the new supermax contract extensions? They aren't going anywhere for a long time.this is why i will always like the Lakers. And you can't even really blame Lakers fans here, but i love the rumour floating around that Anthony Davis and Russel Westbrook may both force trades to join the Lakers:
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/2/13/14599926/la-lakers-rumors-anthony-davis-russell-westbrook-los-angeles-agent-trade-free-agent-contract
Never change Lakers fans
modogg
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can't let reality of facts get in the way of a story i guess. does seem like the only team lto have truly absurd stories are ether Lakers or the Cowboys
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Kev4029
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Nuggets just smoked the Warriors by 22 (missing Mudiay, Gallo, Chandler, Arthur, Plumlee, and Faried) and Jokic went for 17/21/12. Hernangomez also had what might have been the best game of the year for the 2016 draft class, scoring 27 and grabbing 10 rebounds while making 6 threes.
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According to Serbian news reports, the Nuggets are already preparing to make a run at pending free agent Milos Teodosic.
Teodosic is arguably the best point guard not currently playing in the NBA. His contract with CSKA Moscow expires at the end of this season, and he will be a much sought-after player on the free agent market for both European and NBA clubs. Teodosic has written on his blog that he is at least interested in potentially playing in the NBA. The Nuggets make sense as a possible destination because rising star Nikola Jokic is a fellow Serbian. We'll hear plenty about Teodosic over the next few months and into the summer.
Teodosic is arguably the best point guard not currently playing in the NBA. His contract with CSKA Moscow expires at the end of this season, and he will be a much sought-after player on the free agent market for both European and NBA clubs. Teodosic has written on his blog that he is at least interested in potentially playing in the NBA. The Nuggets make sense as a possible destination because rising star Nikola Jokic is a fellow Serbian. We'll hear plenty about Teodosic over the next few months and into the summer.
Kev4029
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Sure did but I think it shows that he needs some more playing time. The Nuggets desperately need to consolidate assets to shrink their rotation and give Hernangomez a small piece of that rotation. I have no idea what they could find. The really need to find a team that has 3-4 really nice players but no depth that is willing to trade their dollar for the Nuggets' four quarters.
Kev4029
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He's going to be 30 in a month. Is he good enough to start for an NBA team, or is he more of a strong back up? Looking at his Euroleague stats, he looks like Sergio Rodriguez.
Gr00vus
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Why are you blaming Laker fans for a rumor started by Davis's agent?this is why i will always like the Lakers. And you can't even really blame Lakers fans here, but i love the rumour floating around that Anthony Davis and Russel Westbrook may both force trades to join the Lakers:
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/2/13/14599926/la-lakers-rumors-anthony-davis-russell-westbrook-los-angeles-agent-trade-free-agent-contract
Never change Lakers fans
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Toronto made the most sense and it seems like a fair trade for both sides. I assume this is the LAC pick, not Toronto's own?
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