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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (2 Viewers)

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thecatch said:
This. I don't think it moves the needle for them, but they don't have a ton of talent and if they can acquire an asset at a slight discount (in this case, for a non lottery pick), they should do it and worry about fit later. 
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There's a reason the Pelicans don't have a ton of talent.....they keep trading away all their first round picks.

Oh well. It sucks to see the front office waste AD. 

 
Wolves sign Stephenson to 10 day contract. Is this guy just trash now? Seems like he just fell off a cliff after leaving the Pacers.

 
Charlie Harper said:
There's a reason the Pelicans don't have a ton of talent.....they keep trading away all their first round picks.

Oh well. It sucks to see the front office waste AD. 
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Don't have a lot of talent?  AD is a top 7 player in the world.  Jrue is an awesome young pg.. Tyreke is very talented--but just very injury prone.  Terrence Jones is one of the most under rated bigs in the game.  I'm not saying that the Pelcians are elite--but they certainly have enough "talent" too where if they were coached properly--should be in competition for the 7-8 seed in the west. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Don't have a lot of talent?  AD is a top 7 player in the world.  Jrue is an awesome young pg.. Tyreke is very talented--but just very injury prone.  Terrence Jones is one of the most under rated bigs in the game.  I'm not saying that the Pelcians are elite--but they certainly have enough "talent" too where if they were coached properly--should be in competition for the 7-8 seed in the west. 
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They are basically Davis, Holiday, and a bunch of scrubs. Worse, they only have about $25 million in cap space next season but all three of the guys you just mentioned are free agents. The Pelicans are what happens when a young team tries to mature to quickly.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Don't have a lot of talent?  AD is a top 7 player in the world.  Jrue is an awesome young pg.. Tyreke is very talented--but just very injury prone.  Terrence Jones is one of the most under rated bigs in the game.  I'm not saying that the Pelcians are elite--but they certainly have enough "talent" too where if they were coached properly--should be in competition for the 7-8 seed in the west. 
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Tyreke is a just another guy, still has no jumper. Nothing special. Jrue is very good, but there's so many very good PGs....he doesn't really give the team an advantage.

I don't think there's much Gentry can do considering what he's working with.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Don't have a lot of talent?  AD is a top 7 player in the world.  Jrue is an awesome young pg.. Tyreke is very talented--but just very injury prone.  Terrence Jones is one of the most under rated bigs in the game.  I'm not saying that the Pelcians are elite--but they certainly have enough "talent" too where if they were coached properly--should be in competition for the 7-8 seed in the west. 
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They're trash 

 
Capella said:
They're trash 
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Oh come on. People are giving the horrid coaching of that team a pass.  The team has AD and Jrue holiday--and has 2 more wins than the Lakers and the same number of wins as the Mavs? I'm not saying they are a great team--but anybody saying that this team is playing up to it's potential talent wise has zero basketball IQ. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Oh come on. People are giving the horrid coaching of that team a pass.  The team has AD and Jrue holiday--and has 2 more wins than the Lakers and the same number of wins as the Mavs? I'm not saying they are a great team--but anybody saying that this team is playing up to it's potential talent wise has zero basketball IQ. 
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That roster is ?.  One of the worst in the league. 

 
Charlie Harper said:
Jah is not worth a lottery pick. Next. He's a solid rotation player as instant offense off the bench. Nothing more, nothing less short of a Marc Gasol BB IQ transplant.
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i think your evaluation of Jah is off. Believe me, i don't like the guy at all, but look at his performance ever since the Pels rumor came out. He seems to be playing inspired for the first time in a long time. Considering he is only 21, and his contract situation is great for the next 2 years, he seems like a player you would really want to bring on if you think you have a young core and want to see how it can work for the next year or 2. He gives you close to 20 a game most of the time, and i think the real key to how he will do over his career is getting into a system that fits his skill set better, as well as a coach who knows how to motivate him a bit.

He knew ever since he came to Philly that he was basically an insurance policy for Embiid. He came to Philly basically by default as well, was never a good fit or really a piece of the future of the team unless Embiid was never going to be able to play. I honestly think his value right now is a great opportunity for a team. You tell me i can trade for a cheap contract with a 21 year old kid who has potential? i think you take that over a pick between 5-10 almost any day

 
Capella said:
That roster is ?.  One of the worst in the league. 
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You can say all you want--but bring some facts man.  Just saying something is trash with no support is not an argument--its an opinion. Having Anthony Davis on a roster alone makes that roster "not trash".   If there was an NBA draft today--AD would probably be a top 5 pick.  Jrue Holiday is a very solid young PG.   Those two players could easily be compared to Westy and Oladipo in regards to a top 2.   Give me those two over Lillard and Oladipo all day to build a roster from.   I'd take those two over Dragic and Whiteside as well.   The Heat just won 11 games in a row with a roster that makes the Pelicans roster look like the frigging Warriors.   The Pelicans are an average team that is underperforming their talent.  They have light years more talent than the Lakers and have 2 more wins. They have light years more talent than the Mavs--and have the same number of wins. There is zero excuse for that. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
You can say all you want--but bring some facts man.  Just saying something is trash with no support is not an argument--its an opinion. Having Anthony Davis on a roster alone makes that roster "not trash".   If there was an NBA draft today--AD would probably be a top 5 pick.  Jrue Holiday is a very solid young PG.   Those two players could easily be compared to Westy and Oladipo in regards to a top 2.   Give me those two over Lillard and Oladipo all day to build a roster from.   I'd take those two over Dragic and Whiteside as well.   The Heat just won 11 games in a row with a roster that makes the Pelicans roster look like the frigging Warriors.   The Pelicans are an average team that is underperforming their talent.  They have light years more talent than the Lakers and have 2 more wins. They have light years more talent than the Mavs--and have the same number of wins. There is zero excuse for that. 
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Davis is awesome. Holiday is like the 20th best pg? 25th? Who cares? Evans sucks, the rest of the roster is an expansion team. The facts are in the standings these past few years. 

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Yeah, I don't think Holiday sniffs the top 15 PGs in the league.
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Doesn't sniff the top 15?  I'm not hating--but I am curious.  I'd like to  see you name 17 actual PG's that you'd put head and shoulders ahead of him.   And let's not make stretches like calling Harden and Lebron Pg's.   

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Doesn't sniff the top 15?  I'm not hating--but I am curious.  I'd like to  see you name 17 actual PG's that you'd put head and shoulders ahead of him.   And let's not make stretches like calling Harden and Lebron Pg's.   
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Off the top of my head...

Wall, Westbrook, Dame, Lowry, Paul, Curry, Thomas, Irving, Walker, Conley, Dragic, Teague, Rubio, Beverly... That's 14 who I doubt anyone would argue. So maybe 15th but an argument could be made for a half dozen guys there. Moral of the story: he's nothing special.

 
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Rumor has it that the Houston Rockets are interested in Ibaka.

Hope to God that Orlando isn't negotiating with Abe.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Off the top of my head...

Wall, Westbrook, Dame, Lowry, Paul, Curry, Thomas, Irving, Walker, Conley, Dragic, Teague, Rubio, Beverly... That's 14 who I doubt anyone would argue. So maybe 15th but are argument could be made for a half dozen guys there. Moral of the story: he's nothing special.
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:cough, cough:  TJ McConell  :ph34r:

and hard to really put Jrue in that conversation, his skill set is different then a lot of those guys and he has been battling injuries for awhile.

and if we are talking NBA Jam style, sign me up for Embiid & Simmons please (though man, KAT and Wiggins would be absolutely beastly too)

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Off the top of my head...

Wall, Westbrook, Dame, Lowry, Paul, Curry, Thomas, Irving, Walker, Conley, Dragic, Teague, Rubio, Beverly... That's 14 who I doubt anyone would argue. So maybe 15th but an argument could be made for a half dozen guys there. Moral of the story: he's nothing special.
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Rubio and Beverly ahead of Jrue?  Not a chance in heck.     I'd easily take those two out--but I'd put Bledsoe in.   I'd easily put Jrue in the same category as Teague and Dragic--which would probably put him in the 12-15 range based one's exact rankings. Saying that he wouldn't "sniff" the top 15 was just plain wrong.  

 
modogg said:
:cough, cough:  TJ McConell  :ph34r:

and hard to really put Jrue in that conversation, his skill set is different then a lot of those guys and he has been battling injuries for awhile.

and if we are talking NBA Jam style, sign me up for Embiid & Simmons please (though man, KAT and Wiggins would be absolutely beastly too)
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TJ McConnell a better pg than Jrue holiday? What the heck are you guys drinking tonight?  Whatever it is--pass some my way because it's got to be some good strong stuff.  

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
TJ McConnell a better pg than Jrue holiday? What the heck are you guys drinking tonight?  Whatever it is--pass some my way because it's got to be some good strong stuff.  
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yeah TJ is if we put on our Sixers-colored goggles. but no, reality TJ probably not on the same page. 

 
modogg said:
i think your evaluation of Jah is off. Believe me, i don't like the guy at all, but look at his performance ever since the Pels rumor came out. He seems to be playing inspired for the first time in a long time. Considering he is only 21, and his contract situation is great for the next 2 years, he seems like a player you would really want to bring on if you think you have a young core and want to see how it can work for the next year or 2. He gives you close to 20 a game most of the time, and i think the real key to how he will do over his career is getting into a system that fits his skill set better, as well as a coach who knows how to motivate him a bit.

He knew ever since he came to Philly that he was basically an insurance policy for Embiid. He came to Philly basically by default as well, was never a good fit or really a piece of the future of the team unless Embiid was never going to be able to play. I honestly think his value right now is a great opportunity for a team. You tell me i can trade for a cheap contract with a 21 year old kid who has potential? i think you take that over a pick between 5-10 almost any day
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He's an above average scoring big with average efficiency. Otherwise.... he doesn't pass, he doesn't rebound well, and he doesn't play defense. Some of the most important things a big needs to do.

Would you trade a lottery pick for 2 years of Brook Lopez...cause that's Jah?

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Rubio and Beverly ahead of Jrue?  Not a chance in heck.     I'd easily take those two out--but I'd put Bledsoe in.   I'd easily put Jrue in the same category as Teague and Dragic--which would probably put him in the 12-15 range based one's exact rankings. Saying that he wouldn't "sniff" the top 15 was just plain wrong.  
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Yes Rubio and Beverly.

You win, he is arguably, maybe close to being a top 15 PG. I was wrong to say he couldn't sniff #15. He certainly can sniff it. 

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Yes Rubio and Beverly.

You win, he is arguably, maybe close to being a top 15 PG. I was wrong to say he couldn't sniff #15. He certainly can sniff it. 
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Jrue this season 16ppg, 7.4 apg, 3.8 rpg, 45.5% fg percentage, nearly 40% 3pt fg%

ricky Rubio 8.8ppg, 8.2 apg, 3.8rpg, 38% fg percentage, 28% 3pt fg percentage.  

It's not even close man. Either way--we're all entitled to our opinions.  Nice chat. 

 
Charlie Harper said:
He's an above average scoring big with average efficiency. Otherwise.... he doesn't pass, he doesn't rebound well, and he doesn't play defense. Some of the most important things a big needs to do.

Would you trade a lottery pick for 2 years of Brook Lopez...cause that's Jah?
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not Brook, but depending on what i have on my team maybe. can't argue with his contract which is cheaper then any piece a team can add (and Pels need every dollar they can get to sign their own guys). i also think you are really underestimating his passing as a possible attribute and he has rebounded 8-9 rebounds/game since the trade was proposed. not hard to think a 21 year old kid wasn't that motivated lately, and it seems like when he is motivated and wants to, he can rebound. 

 
Jabari Parker just suffered an injury...didn't look good.   Same left knee he had the ACL his rookie season.

On the same night Khris Middleton was making his return.  Man, injuries suck.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Jrue this season 16ppg, 7.4 apg, 3.8 rpg, 45.5% fg percentage, nearly 40% 3pt fg%

ricky Rubio 8.8ppg, 8.2 apg, 3.8rpg, 38% fg percentage, 28% 3pt fg percentage.  

It's not even close man. Either way--we're all entitled to our opinions.  Nice chat. 
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He's better than Rubio, but that doesn't get you very far. He's an average starter when healthy.  The problem isn't Jrue as much as it is the rest of the roster. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Jrue this season 16ppg, 7.4 apg, 3.8 rpg, 45.5% fg percentage, nearly 40% 3pt fg%

ricky Rubio 8.8ppg, 8.2 apg, 3.8rpg, 38% fg percentage, 28% 3pt fg percentage.  

It's not even close man. Either way--we're all entitled to our opinions.  Nice chat. 
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How many other teams do players 2-5 start on?  Heck, there are a few teams that wouldn't have players 2-5 in their rotation.

 
thecatch said:
He's better than Rubio, but that doesn't get you very far. He's an average starter when healthy.  The problem isn't Jrue as much as it is the rest of the roster. 
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I never said New Orleans had a crazy good roster. I said that they have a talented roster that is underperforming. Their record is not an indication of their talent.   Even with the talent that they have right now--there is no excuse for that team to have the same number of wins as the the Mavs and only 2 more than the Lakers--which are teams that are completely devoid of the talent that guys like Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday have.    If the Pelicans had a halfway decent coach--this team could and should be competing for 7-8 seed.  

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
I never said New Orleans had a crazy good roster. I said that they have a talented roster that is underperforming. Their record is not an indication of their talent.   Even with the talent that they have right now--there is no excuse for that team to have the same number of wins as the the Mavs and only 2 more than the Lakers--which are teams that are completely devoid of the talent that guys like Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday have.    If the Pelicans had a halfway decent coach--this team could and should be competing for 7-8 seed.  
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They are competing for the 8 seed. If Jrue hadn't missed time they'd probably be ahead of Denver. That's about where they should be given how bad they are from 3 through 12 on the roster, even with Davis. 

 
KingPrawn said:
no No NO. Hoping for good news on Jabari but definitely looked bad.
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sprained knee is what rotoworld is saying. Could have been much worse

ETA:


Jabari Parker suffers sprained left knee




Jabari Parker suffered a sprained left knee on Wednesday and will not return.
It did not look good. Parker's left leg buckled on a drive and he needed some help off the floor. This is the same left knee that needed ACL surgery during his rookie season. He is almost certainly going to be reevaluated in the next 24 hours. If he needs to miss time, Mirza Teletovic and Michael Beasley could be asked to step up. Giannis Antetokounmpo could also play more four to open up minutes for the wings. This is potentially awful news on what was an exciting day with Khris Middleton returning.

 
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