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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (3 Viewers)

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Collison, Temple, and Koufos would be good adds for just about every team. McLemore, Tolliver, Lawson, and even Barnes can be worth second round fliers in certain situations. Afflalo can be a 9th man and might be able to help a team get off some long term guaranteed salary. Every playoff team that could use another rotation player should be trying to pick at the Kings' carcass today. 

 
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Collison, Temple, and Koufos would be good adds for just about every team. McLemore, Tolliver, Lawson, and even Barnes can be worth second round fliers in certain situations. Afflalo can be a 9th man and might be able to help a team get off some long term guaranteed salary. Every playoff team that could use another rotation player should be trying to pick at the Kings' carcass today. 
I wouldn't hate if Toronto sent a 2nd rounder for Barnes. I would hate having to look at him and root for him though. Toronto desperately needs a backup 3.

 
I just don't see this trade as helpful to the Pelicans other than a win now move.. IMO this is going to impact both player's stat lines and not for the better. Like some have mentioned above, they are going to need some form of outside scoring with the lane now all congested with the two big bodies in there.  

Plus if Cousins doesn't like NO, he only has one year left on his contract.

I know the Kings are completely mismanaged, but there had to be a better deal out there right??
Boogie hits 3's better than Hield and Davis has a great mid range shot. Holiday is solid 3 pointer....so there will be more then enough space with average 3 point shooters at the wing spots. 

The key will be to make sure Boogie is fine without the rock (one of the reasons the Kings traded Isiah Thomas), but I think he'll be fine cause he'll be giving up touches to the Brow (one of the few bigs better than Boogie and a fellow Wildcat) and I think Gentry is a smart coach, good people skills, and has enough pull from the Dubs title to get Boogie to step back just a bit.

Ugh. I hope I'm wrong cause that first round matchup is gonna suck.

 
The Kings are expected to waive Matt Barnes according to Marc Stein of ESPN.
The Kings are bringing in three players in Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway and Buddy Hield, so they have to cut one player to make the necessary roster room. With Omri Casspi now in New Orleans and Arron Afflalo and Ben McLemore on the trade block, this would leave the Kings very thin on the wings. Buddy Hield should be busy right away. As for Barnes, he should have no problem finding another team if he's waived.

 
 
Source: Marc Stein on Twitter

 
As a C's fan I am glad Cousins is off the board...he is intriguing but they are building something that could be special and I would hate to have him come in and realize he is that crazy...gotta believe Ainge felt that way because the C's could have easily topped the NO offer if they wanted to...the feeling locally is they are gonna take a hard run at Butler...should be a good week for rumors...here is one involving a lesser move:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/41160/nba-rumor-central-celtics-have-deep-interest-in-p-j-tucker

 
This sounds like one of those crazy deals Abe would come up with.  Maybe the Sacramento GM accidentally hit the Accept button on Yahoo instead of Decline.
The Kings GM in NBA 2K17 turned down NOP's offer.  

http://www.thescore.com/news/1236295

" 'DeMarcus Cousins is someone we consider untouchable. The only way I accept a trade for him is if I’m blown away and this one doesn’t do that,' says the GM in the game."

 
As a C's fan I am glad Cousins is off the board...he is intriguing but they are building something that could be special and I would hate to have him come in and realize he is that crazy...gotta believe Ainge felt that way because the C's could have easily topped the NO offer if they wanted to...the feeling locally is they are gonna take a hard run at Butler...should be a good week for rumors...here is one involving a lesser move:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/41160/nba-rumor-central-celtics-have-deep-interest-in-p-j-tucker
Cousins was everything we needed - a player the other team has to pay attention to ALL the time, lettin the horses run free. I would honestly feel like a +105 vs GS and there aint no other team can say that so, even if he's a hateful sumbee gone in a yr & 1/4 - tho i feel he'd groove on the experience like Martellus did Pats '16 - woulda been worth it.

 
Cousins was everything we needed - a player the other team has to pay attention to ALL the time, lettin the horses run free. I would honestly feel like a +105 vs GS and there aint no other team can say that so, even if he's a hateful sumbee gone in a yr & 1/4 - tho i feel he'd groove on the experience like Martellus did Pats '16 - woulda been worth it.
I hear ya and it was very intriguing...don't disagree about the best case scenario...the issue is he would have cost far more than what Bennett cost and if he flopped it would have been much more devastating...the C's aren't at a point where they need to be rolling the dice yet...

 
Listening to Dunc'd On, who are providing some insightful perspective:

-They think the pro-trade faction in the Kings org. had been trying to sway Vivek, and they speculate that he waffled, and they moved quickly before he could change his mind again. 

-The trade market for Cousins was far smaller than what people were thinking. The C's were loathe to include Rozier, for example.

 
Cousins was everything we needed - a player the other team has to pay attention to ALL the time, lettin the horses run free. I would honestly feel like a +105 vs GS and there aint no other team can say that so, even if he's a hateful sumbee gone in a yr & 1/4 - tho i feel he'd groove on the experience like Martellus did Pats '16 - woulda been worth it.
Article from A. Sherrod...kind of sums up how I feel about this...

 
Listening to Dunc'd On, who are providing some insightful perspective:

-They think the pro-trade faction in the Kings org. had been trying to sway Vivek, and they speculate that he waffled, and they moved quickly before he could change his mind again. 
Apparently the last straw for Vivek was Cousins swearing at one of our fellow Warriors' fans. Shameful behavior really. 

 
Article from A. Sherrod...kind of sums up how I feel about this...
disagree w you both (tho moot now) - add butler, we can contend. add boogie, we can win. add no one, 2nd rd out and the league has another year to figure out how to neutralize a 5'7" guy. toronto already had before they filled their hole.

ETA: Simmons/Ingram/Brown/Bender/Dunn/Hield/Murray/Chriss/PurtletheTurtle/Thon"Do Ya"Maker. Tons o' top10 rookie help from a +draft class - your 1.01-.04 in a no-big crop gonna improve you enough in IT's walk year?

 
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disagree w you both (tho moot now) - add butler, we can contend. add boogie, we can win. add no one, 2nd rd out and the league has another year to figure out how to neutralize a 5'7" guy. toronto already had before they filled their hole.

ETA: Simmons/Ingram/Brown/Bender/Dunn/Hield/Murray/Chriss/PurtletheTurtle/Thon"Do Ya"Maker. Tons o' top10 rookie help from a +draft class - your 1.01-.04 in a no-big crop gonna improve you enough in IT's walk year?
I fully expect them to make a big move so it is probably a moot point...and IT is not going anywhere...

 
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LOL...

Tim Cato ‏@tim_cato

Vlade Divac said the Kings had a better offer for Cousins two days ago. "I don't want to discuss in details about the process."

 
Capella I spat out my beer when I saw the Smoothie King title and this is hilarious too.

I'm curious to see if New Orleanians start showing up, not sure if they remember there's a team here...

 
saw this today as counter point:   http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2693953-the-winner-of-the-demarcus-cousins-trade-isnt-who-you-think-it-is

Admittedly, just skimmed and didn't read, but the one point that i can agree with is that this trade allows them to keep their 1st round pick this year because they would have likely have placed out of the top 10 and lost it entirely. Now they should be 1-10 by the end of the year and will have to likely swap with the Sixers, but still will retain a 1st round pick. Other stuff about Cousins attitude, etc., which i know nothing about and i am thinking is probably overblown

 
too.... disinterested to do the research... wasn't it commonly held belief about a year ago that, if anything, Hield had uncommonly rare shooting ability?
In catch and shoot situations he was thought to have a uncommonly rare ability, but he was no where near the shooter off the bounce, especially prior to his senior year. The rest of his game wasn't suited to be a top ten pick, especially because he was a senior. Personally, I never understood why he was in the conversation of the top 8 picks and I definitely didn't understand why he was picked ahead of Murray.

 
At least the Cousins deal promises the Kings keep their first rounder.  It was probably mentioned, but its an under appreciated aspect of the deal. 

 
haven't lots of guys made millions doing just this one thing while being at best average in every other aspect?
Right now, he's looking like he's going to be more Anthony Morrow than JJ Redick or Kyle Korver (which were probably his ceiling comparisons). He'll have a place in this league for a long time, but I think it's more mediocre rotation player than exceptional starter.

 
Right now, he's looking like he's going to be more Anthony Morrow than JJ Redick or Kyle Korver (which were probably his ceiling comparisons). He'll have a place in this league for a long time, but I think it's more mediocre rotation player than exceptional starter.
that's fair

the way people are talking about him today vs. 1 year ago is just.... ludicrous.

as i recall there was lots of "he's the next Ray Allen" and thoughts that he could score 20 per right away.

this year he's talked about as the 1900th best player in the Turkish league

 
that's fair

the way people are talking about him today vs. 1 year ago is just.... ludicrous.

as i recall there was lots of "he's the next Ray Allen" and thoughts that he could score 20 per right away.

this year he's talked about as the 1900th best player in the Turkish league
The consensus was all over the place for Hield. Now that he's been somewhat of a disappointment this season, people (myself included) are quick to pay themselves on the back. 

It's been a very slow developing draft class. Arguably, the top 3 rookies this season are all from previous drafts (Embiid, W Hernangomez, Saric). The best player from the draft class has been a second rounder (Brogdon), one of the other top performers was undrafted (Ferrell). The only top draft picks that there isn't at least a little bit of disappointment have been Murray and MAYBE Chriss.

 
I thought Boogie was a FA after this year. So it's after next? 

That is legitimately one of the biggest heists in sports history. Crazy more teams weren't involved. 

 
I don't know why you guys are calling it a trade. They just handed him over. You have to get something back for it to be a trade

 
In catch and shoot situations he was thought to have a uncommonly rare ability, but he was no where near the shooter off the bounce, especially prior to his senior year. The rest of his game wasn't suited to be a top ten pick, especially because he was a senior. Personally, I never understood why he was in the conversation of the top 8 picks and I definitely didn't understand why he was picked ahead of Murray.
Other than Murray who would you have taken over him?  Even now, with hindside.  He was the pick there (other than Murray).

 
Right now, he's looking like he's going to be more Anthony Morrow than JJ Redick or Kyle Korver (which were probably his ceiling comparisons). He'll have a place in this league for a long time, but I think it's more mediocre rotation player than exceptional starter.
It's been a half season.  This is ridiculous.

 
I thought Boogie was a FA after this year. So it's after next? 

That is legitimately one of the biggest heists in sports history. Crazy more teams weren't involved. 
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/demarcus-cousins-will-miss-out-on-close-to-30-million-due-to-kings-pelicans-trade/

Cousins is a free agent in 2018 but because of this new CBA rule, he would have been able to extend his contract with the Kings by five years this upcoming summer. Sacramento could have given Cousins a supermax long-term deal that would have paid him well over $200 million. Cousins planned on signing that extension this summer, which is a big reason why he repeatedly said he wanted to remain in Sacramento.

But the Kings apparently didn’t want to give Cousins that long of a contract for that much money, so they traded him to New Orleans. And now Cousins is not eligible to sign a designated-veteran-player contract extension with the Pelicans, since they didn’t draft him and he is no longer on his rookie deal. The Pelicans can only offer Cousins a five-year, $180 million deal, which is about $30 million less than what he could have earned from the Kings if Sacramento didn’t trade him.

 
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A team can screw a star player out of $30 million just by trading him? Really?

You hear that NBA players smoke a lot of weed, but the people that negotiated the CBA must have been wearing gas masks attached to giant hookas when they came up with the salary cap rules.

 
A team can screw a star player out of $30 million just by trading him? Really?

You hear that NBA players smoke a lot of weed, but the people that negotiated the CBA must have been wearing gas masks attached to giant hookas when they came up with the salary cap rules.
It was put in place to prevent another KD to Dubs thing. It's meant to give hometown teams the advantage in retaining stars.... in this case Sacramento was scared to give Boogie the supermax (which I agree with). I think the Pels won the trade and I think Boogie is a great player, but he wasn't going to be a stud in Sac with the madness surrounding him. Sac made the right call in trading Boogie, but the majorly screwed up what they got in return.

 
Sorry Fellas, I was preoccupied for the weekeend.  I think Drazen or Len Bias were the best talents to never be an all star.

My call was Robert Horry aka big shot bob. He has the ships and clutch performances to go down in history, yet he never once made an all star weekend.

 
Only one team really won this trade. 

  • The Kings didnt get near enough
  • The Pelicans still wont make the playoffs and Cousins will jet out of town as soon as possible 
  • The 76ers get the Sac pick swap this year and an unprotected Sac 2019 1st 
Thank you Sam Hinkie. 

 
It was put in place to prevent another KD to Dubs thing. It's meant to give hometown teams the advantage in retaining stars....
That's fine, but why don't those rights transfer when that hometown team chooses to trade the player? 30 million is a lot to lose because of a decision you weren't a part of.

 
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