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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (2 Viewers)

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I assume Warriors fans hate the Lakers because many fans do, plus same division and state, plus SF/LA thing.  Didnt mean to suggest a mutual rivalry thing, just that Warriors fans must feel like pigs in #### right about now
I'm glad that I'm older and I can appreciate how incredible something like this is. And adolescent GS fan doesn't have that same perspective.

Irrespective of how good GS is, I wish nothing but misfortune and misery on both the Lakers and the Clippers. And I don't really dislike any other NBA team. I'm sympathetic towards Kings fans, but nowhere near the point of feeling sympathy towards the Lakers fanbase, or what's left of it.

 
I don't follow basketball as much as most in here, but I would have to think that it would be a conflict of interest to hire an agent who represents multiple players in the NBA to be the GM of a team. I am guessing I am wrong since it hasn't been brought up anywhere, but it seems to open the door a bit for collusion or all kinds of shady things happening.
Pelinka, or any agent, would have to give up representing players and coaches in order to be hired as a GM.  Now, the relationships he made as an agent might help grease the wheels to future deals with former clients, but he can't represent players and an NBA franchise at the same time.

 
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I'm glad that I'm older and I can appreciate how incredible something like this is. And adolescent GS fan doesn't have that same perspective.

Irrespective of how good GS is, I wish nothing but misfortune and misery on both the Lakers and the Clippers. And I don't really dislike any other NBA team. I'm sympathetic towards Kings fans, but nowhere near the point of feeling sympathy towards the Lakers fanbase, or what's left of it.
I respect this.  I wish I could hate the Dubs, but Steve Kerr is unhateable and I can't help rooting for him.

 
The Lakers have to trade Lou Will before the deadline.  His value won't possibly be higher than it is now.  Helps with the Tank as well.  Gotta somehow keep this year's pick.

 
Interesting podcast today with Mannix and Woj. Sac also ate Barnes contract rest of this year + over $6 mil next year. Also funny tidbit that GM Vlade Divac reportedly hates talking on the phone (per other GM's).........so the asst GM (who has zero decision making capability) takes the calls for him. Reportedly the deal got done over weekend....with New Orleans (location of All-Star Game)....because Vlade was there in person. :lmao:  

Also had some Butler talk. Should be interesting what happens with him. 

 
The Pistons will reportedly not discourage other teams from inquiring about Andre Drummond at the trade deadline.

Most of the trade news that has come out of Detroit has indicated Reggie Jackson as one of the more likely players to go, but there have been whispers that Stan Van Gundy would be willing to part ways with Drummond should the right deal come along. Drummond should be a double-double machine regardless of his jersey, but if he's sent away, we could see Jon Leuer's minutes consistently in the high-30s. Detroit reportedly shot down a Jonas Valanciunas-Drummond swap, so it'll take a lot for a deal to go down.

Seems like a bad time to be shopping Drummond after what the Kings got back for Cousins.

 
Pelinka, or any agent, would have to give up representing players and coaches in order to be hired as a GM.  Now, the relationships he made as an agent might help grease the wheels to future deals with former clients, but he can't represent players and an NBA franchise at the same time.
Lebron seems to do ok with it.

 
Exactly.  Which is why failure to move him in market where he's clearly in demand would be a disaster and suggest that Magic may think we need to win RIGHT NOW. 
I hope to God he doesn't think that.  I know he's super-competitive and wants to win, but he has to see the bigger picture here.

Overall, I find myself more nervous than excited about Magic's hiring, even though he is probably my favorite athlete ever.  While his twitter feed certainly does nothing but fill me with dread, the fact that he has been both an amazing player and a successful businessman gives me some hope that he will be a good hire.  No idea about Pelinka and what he will do - other agents have made the transition with different degrees of success and, given the disastrous forays (or attempted forays) into free agency the past few years, it can't hurt to have someone who has relationships with players and can see things from that side of the table handling free agent meetings.

 
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Market is shot on big men. Not to mention you can't play Drummond down the stretch in playoffs and will have to worry about Hack-a-Drum constantly. That Jonas offer is solid. Don't imagine they'll do better & think he'll remain with Pistons.

 
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The Blazers got nearly as much for Plumlee as the Kings got for Cousins. I don't think the market for centers is bad, the market for Cousins was bad. Well that and their management is a joke.

 
Weird. Very very weird. They better be getting something on top of him. Not to mention Rose will want to "break the bank" as free agent this summer.

Tom Thibodeau is reportedly making a push to strike a deal for Derrick Rose.
Thibs reported infatuation with Rose is a bit strange, but it does sound like a three-way trade between New York, Minnesota and Detroit involving Rose, Ricky Rubio and Reggie Jackson is brewing. This is a situation we'll be monitoring closely as the deadline approaches.

Related: PistonsTimberwolvesRicky RubioReggie Jackson
 
Source: David Aldridge on Twitter

 
Weird. Very very weird. They better be getting something on top of him. Not to mention Rose will want to "break the bank" as free agent this summer.

Tom Thibodeau is reportedly making a push to strike a deal for Derrick Rose.
Thibs reported infatuation with Rose is a bit strange, but it does sound like a three-way trade between New York, Minnesota and Detroit involving Rose, Ricky Rubio and Reggie Jackson is brewing. This is a situation we'll be monitoring closely as the deadline approaches.

Related: PistonsTimberwolvesRicky RubioReggie Jackson
 
Source: David Aldridge on Twitter
I am assuming Rubio goes to Detroit and Jackson to New York. I would like that for the Pistons.

 
Market is shot on big men. Not to mention you can't play Drummond down the stretch in playoffs and will have to worry about Hack-a-Drum constantly. That Jonas offer is solid. Don't imagine they'll do better & think he'll remain with Pistons.
I don't think it is a horrible offer, I think Drummond is worth a little more. It looks like Toronto has two 1st round picks for 2017 with the better pick going to Orlando. I would probably trade Drummond for for Jonas and the other 1st

 
Weird. Very very weird. They better be getting something on top of him. Not to mention Rose will want to "break the bank" as free agent this summer.

Tom Thibodeau is reportedly making a push to strike a deal for Derrick Rose.
Thibs reported infatuation with Rose is a bit strange, but it does sound like a three-way trade between New York, Minnesota and Detroit involving Rose, Ricky Rubio and Reggie Jackson is brewing. This is a situation we'll be monitoring closely as the deadline approaches.

Related: PistonsTimberwolvesRicky RubioReggie Jackson
 
Source: David Aldridge on Twitter
Take that Skribbles!

 
I assume Warriors fans hate the Lakers because many fans do, plus same division and state, plus SF/LA thing.  Didnt mean to suggest a mutual rivalry thing, just that Warriors fans must feel like pigs in #### right about now
Pretty much this and the fact that a bunch of the old "Kobe/Laker" fans are now hoping on the Dubs bandwagon. GAH.

 
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I don't think it is a horrible offer, I think Drummond is worth a little more. It looks like Toronto has two 1st round picks for 2017 with the better pick going to Orlando. I would probably trade Drummond for for Jonas and the other 1st
Pretty sure it should be Drummond plus picks for Jonas.

 
I'm thinking Magic is going to be closer to Isiah Thomas than Larry Bird as an NBA executive. As a Warrior fan, hiring a former agent sounds great (see: Meyers, Bob), but Lacob was still smart enough to give Meyers a year as assistant GM under Larry Riley.

Man, honestly it feels so good not having a franchise that's a joke.

 
Magic seems like he's going to be awful, and maybe their only bit of business is going to be moving Williams for a pick, but man this is really bad timing to be changing up your whole front office 2 days before the deadline.

 
Magic seems like he's going to be awful, and maybe their only bit of business is going to be moving Williams for a pick, but man this is really bad timing to be changing up your whole front office 2 days before the deadline.
The timing is very strange.  I figured Mitch and Jim would get the season.  It strikes me as an angry reaction to not getting Cousins, though without knowing what Sacramento wanted beyond Ingram, I can't rush to blame the front office for not getting Boogie.

 
Don't like taking Brewer back there.  Basically a push contract-wise between he and Lou.  Not sure the Rockets pick is worth that swap.

ETA:  Lou Will in Houston in D'Antoni's offense with Harden will be fun.

 
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What range will the Rockets pick be in?
Very late.  As of now, they have the fourth best record in the league.  Better than nothing.  Not thrilled about Brewer, but needed to match the salaries and at least his contract doesn't run longer than Williams'.  Should help with the tank.

 
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Can't even imagine what it's like to be a Warriors fan right now.  In addition to the embarrassment of riches on the roster, their two biggest rivals are terrible and are now being run by people who have given zero indication they're up to the job.
Not sure what the Clippers and Spurs have to do with recent news...?

 
It's basically a second round pick that requires an extra year of guarantee. It's not that great. 
It keeps the fanbase happy because it's a first round pick (in reality it's worth less than an early 2nd) and it also gets rid of their best player so they can tank into that top 3 pick which nets them a great pick in a great draft and also lets them keep their 2019 first rounder. They had to trade him for the best thing they could get before the trade deadline to tank, and it's very likely there wasn't much interest.

 
I've lost so much faith in Hennigan, I hope Orlando disconnects their phones for the next two days.

If they overpay for Reggie Jackson, I'm gonna take a header off the roof.

 
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account@WojVerticalNBA 17s17 seconds ago


 




 



The Lakers are finalizing a trade to send guard Lou Williams to the Houston Rockets, league sources tell @TheVertical.
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The Rockets are sending Corey Brewer and a first-round pick to the Lakers for Lou Williams, league source tells @TheVertical.
i love the quotes from Walton a month or 2 ago pissing on the Sixers and saying they would never tank. I guess that is how it goes in franchises like that, but he should be lambasted across all sports media at least for a bit. I get if you don't want to admit to it, but he was really "holier then thou" with it, when the reality is the Sixers and Lakers have been pretty similar during the whole "tank" years

ETA: there is a more, here is a sample: "

Luke Walton doesn't believe in tanking. "When you start losing on purpose I think the basketball gods come back to get you in the long run."

— Tania Ganguli (@taniaganguli) January 24, 2017

Suck a D Walton

 
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It's basically a second round pick that requires an extra year of guarantee. It's not that great. 
If you're a contending team with tons of max players then I agree, but if you're a lottery team any 1st round pick is good.

2nd round picks sell for a couple million, crazy that a 1st for 500k is not a great deal.

 
i love the quotes from Walton a month or 2 ago pissing on the Sixers and saying they would never tank. I guess that is how it goes in franchises like that, but he should be lambasted across all sports media at least for a bit. I get if you don't want to admit to it, but he was really "holier then thou" with it, when the reality is the Sixers and Lakers have been pretty similar during the whole "tank" years

ETA: there is a more, here is a sample: "

Luke Walton doesn't believe in tanking. "When you start losing on purpose I think the basketball gods come back to get you in the long run."

— Tania Ganguli (@taniaganguli) January 24, 2017

Suck a D Walton
The whole pick protection system is really contributing to the tanking. I mean the Lakers are going to save a 1 because they suck so badly. So I'm HIV positive that is contributing to the Lakers strategy. It is what it is.

Hell, some people tried to justify the raping Divac just took because they get to keep their 1st round pick. 

 
I've lost so much faith in Hennigan, I hope Orlando disconnects their phones for the next two days.

If they overpay for Reggie Jackson, I'm gonna take a header off the roof.
I don't love the guy, but let's be honest. It they had any lottery luck and moved up one spot in each draft, they would have Porzingas and Embiid instead of Gordon and Hezonja and we'd be rubbing our clits in excitement nightly. 

 
The whole pick protection system is really contributing to the tanking. I mean the Lakers are going to save a 1 because they suck so badly. So I'm HIV positive that is contributing to the Lakers strategy. It is what it is.

Hell, some people tried to justify the raping Divac just took because they get to keep their 1st round pick. 
wouldn't be as big of a deal if Walton and their organization pretended that they were so above the idea of "tanking" and that they would never do that to their fans. 

And in honesty, they do need to adjust the league as is. There is no incentive for the bottom 8-10 teams to not compete for losses each and every year. And the NBA felt they had to step in to stop Hinkie from doing this and basically brought the Colangelo family in to "help" the Sixers. The hypocrisy is just  :loco: . Not to get political or anything, but reminds me of Trump and declaring any news source that doesn't agree with him as fake news. 

 
Sixers fans, theoretically, would you trade okafor to the lakers to guarantee getting the lakers pick no matter what?
No way the Lakers do this because if they lose their pick this year they also lose their 2019 1 (unprotected) to Orlando.  They need to not lose that pick.

It's in both the Lakers and Orlando's best interest to tank as hard as possible the rest of this year to determine who gets that 2019 1.  Pretty high stakes involved.

 
No way the Lakers do this because if they lose their pick this year they also lose their 2019 1 (unprotected) to Orlando.  They need to not lose that pick.

It's in both the Lakers and Orlando's best interest to tank as hard as possible the rest of this year to determine who gets that 2019 1.  Pretty high stakes involved.
Nobody loses quite like Orlando.

Bring it, Lakers! 

 
No way the Lakers do this because if they lose their pick this year they also lose their 2019 1 (unprotected) to Orlando.  They need to not lose that pick.

It's in both the Lakers and Orlando's best interest to tank as hard as possible the rest of this year to determine who gets that 2019 1.  Pretty high stakes involved.
I'm hoping Walton is right and the basketball gods punish tanking. Brooklyn is a guarantee, and would love Orlando to slip to 2 worst and the kings take 3rd worst to leave lakers at 4th

 
who wanted to play with Cousins... in Sacramento... that would have pushed them to pay him 30 million so they could continue missing the playoffs?

he's a good guy in the community, i guess

he's the biggest presence in the locker room, the face of the franchise. he controls the personality of the team, he's petulant on the court and you never know when he's going to go completely in the tank.. they've topped out at 33 wins since drafting him in 2010. what about any of that makes him immovable or indispensable? 

they take a lot of heat for "giving Cousins away" but it takes bold moves to move ahead sometimes. you don't trade away Kobe, or Lebron, or Durant, etc. but Demarcus Cousins? 

 
I'm hoping Walton is right and the basketball gods punish tanking. Brooklyn is a guarantee, and would love Orlando to slip to 2 worst and the kings take 3rd worst to leave lakers at 4th
From a Sixers perspective the ideal lottery result would be:

1.  Kings (swap to sixers)

2.  Pelicans (keep their pick, hurts Sac for 2019)

3.  Suns (keep the other high picks out west)

4.  Nets (to Boston)

5.  Lakers (to Sixers)

 
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If you're a contending team with tons of max players then I agree, but if you're a lottery team any 1st round pick is good.

2nd round picks sell for a couple million, crazy that a 1st for 500k is not a great deal.
They also gave up a decent player. its a trade I would make if there were no other takers but it's not a "great haul". 

 
They also gave up a decent player. its a trade I would make if there were no other takers but it's not a "great haul". 
I think that's the market for Lou. He's probably worth more in Houston than just about anywhere else too. The Lakers got what they could get, I think it was a good realistic deal both ways. Another key aspect of it is that the youngsters should pick up Williams's minutes, so it should help them developmentally a bit.

 
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