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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (1 Viewer)

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I don't hate Durant for doing this- I hate that it happened because I think it takes a lot of the fun out of the league, but that's a different thing.

However, comparing it to what LeBron did is absurd. LeBron joined a 47 win Miami team. He then recruited another elite free agent to join him, but the team then had to get rid of like three of its existing top 6 players to make room for the two new acquisitions, and they also struggled to assemble a bench with salary limitations resulting from having three max guys.  They then had to install a system from scratch with a then-unknown coach to accommodate the two additions.

He then went to a 33 win team. He recruited another elite player to come with him, but in order to get him the Cavs had to give up a #1 overall pick in a deal that many questioned at the time and many would continue to question forever if Game 7 last season had gone slightly differently.  Again they had to install a new system from scratch, and went through two new coaches before finding the right combination.

Durant joined a 73 win team. To make room for him they only had to part with their fifth and sixth best player, the former of whom played a role that Durant could easily replicate and improve upon and the latter of whom was injured half the time anyway and was easily replaced by the Warriors' pick of veteran ring-chasers. They also already had a universally respect coach and stable organizational culture already in place. That's not his fault and it doesn't make him a bad person, but it's a totally different thing than what LeBron did in his two moves.  It's ridiculous to compare the two.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
I don't hate Durant for doing this- I hate that it happened because I think it takes a lot of the fun out of the league, but that's a different thing.
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People forget, KD was convinced to do this by one of pro basketball's great minds, Jerry West. I remember because i was among the poor fools hopin like a dope on the slim chance he'd sign with the Green, as rumored. The way i heard it was he called West still up in the air about what he was gonna do a couple of days before he made his signing decision and West told him "Get your title. They'll be bugging you about not having one til you do. Get your title, do what makes you happy afterwards". Turns out, that well might be playing great ball on a team whose fortunes don't turn on the performance of one player.

 
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wikkidpissah said:
What has that to do with anything?! Celts are a team of castoffs & projects plus the only Negro who would sign FA with racist Boston that Stevens has taught how to best the modern game. I'd like to see him have a chance with real talent.
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Sorry, thought you meant you wanted to see the Celtics play the warriors. 

 
GOB said:
Idk, that 1st and 3rd quarter were fun to watch. Basketball is fun.

Casuals want close games and I get that but appreciate the high level of basketball.
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High level of basketball. You mean a top 3 player joining a 73 win team? 

 
TobiasFunke said:
I don't hate Durant for doing this- I hate that it happened because I think it takes a lot of the fun out of the league, but that's a different thing.

However, comparing it to what LeBron did is absurd. LeBron joined a 47 win Miami team. He then recruited another elite free agent to join him, but the team then had to get rid of like three of its existing top 6 players to make room for the two new acquisitions, and they also struggled to assemble a bench with salary limitations resulting from having three max guys.  They then had to install a system from scratch with a then-unknown coach to accommodate the two additions.

He then went to a 33 win team. He recruited another elite player to come with him, but in order to get him the Cavs had to give up a #1 overall pick in a deal that many questioned at the time and many would continue to question forever if Game 7 last season had gone slightly differently.  Again they had to install a new system from scratch, and went through two new coaches before finding the right combination.

Durant joined a 73 win team. To make room for him they only had to part with their fifth and sixth best player, the former of whom played a role that Durant could easily replicate and improve upon and the latter of whom was injured half the time anyway and was easily replaced by the Warriors' pick of veteran ring-chasers. They also already had a universally respect coach and stable organizational culture already in place. That's not his fault and it doesn't make him a bad person, but it's a totally different thing than what LeBron did in his two moves.  It's ridiculous to compare the two.
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There's a whole lot of rationalization here.  Are they exactly the same situations?  No.  Are they similar?  Yes.

 
Bull Dozier said:
There's a whole lot of rationalization here.  Are they exactly the same situations?  No.  Are they similar?  Yes.
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Me: Here's a whole bunch of ways the situations are very different.

You: The situations are similar because I say so.

 

ETA: also, what the hell would I be rationalizing?

 
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tjnc09 said:
lol I glanced over his stupid #### stopped at a red light.

Shouldn't you be busy cluttering up the Bulls-Warriors thread telling us more about how Klay isn't an elite defender? :lmao:  
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Klay certainly has nothing else to do with his time on the court.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Me: Here's a whole bunch of ways the situations are very different.

You: The situations are similar because I say so.

 

ETA: also, what the hell would I be rationalizing?
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Yep, I should have stayed out, my bad.  I'm not interested enough to get back into this in a detailed fashion.  I'm comfortable with my position and know i won't change your mind.  Back to the games.

 
Man, how would Jordan be able to score on the super athletic defenses of today's era? The teams back in the ancient times of the 80s and 90s were forced to double team, grab, pull, yank and commit  flagrant fouls to stop Jordan.  In  today's era the lane is so wide open he would be  so shocked that he get the jitters and miss those monster dunks he threw down on the likes of Mutombo, Ewing and Berkeley. 

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Man, how would Jordan be able to score on the super athletic defenses of today's era? The teams back in the ancient times of the 80s and 90s were forced to double team, grab, pull, yank and commit  flagrant fouls to stop Jordan.  In  today's era the lane is so wide open he would be  so shocked that he get the jitters and miss those monster dunks he threw down on the likes of Mutombo, Ewing and Berkeley. 
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:hophead:

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I'm reading so much hate for Durant on the innerwebs, I don't get it.

Yea, he joined a good squad - but Lebron assembled an awesome squad in Miami, and then again in Cleveland. Isn't the point to win? 
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Yes. I have no problem with either of them doing what they did. 

Having said that, it is a bit different.  James joined a Miami club that had won 90 games the previous two seasons and lost in the 1st round both times (in the weaker East).

Durant joined a team that had won 140 games the previous two seasons and had won a title and came this close to winning another. 

In a manner of speaking, James assembled a superteam from scratch, while Durant jumped on the bandwagon of an already-existing superteam. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
I don't hate Durant for doing this- I hate that it happened because I think it takes a lot of the fun out of the league, but that's a different thing.

However, comparing it to what LeBron did is absurd. LeBron joined a 47 win Miami team. He then recruited another elite free agent to join him, but the team then had to get rid of like three of its existing top 6 players to make room for the two new acquisitions, and they also struggled to assemble a bench with salary limitations resulting from having three max guys.  They then had to install a system from scratch with a then-unknown coach to accommodate the two additions.

He then went to a 33 win team. He recruited another elite player to come with him, but in order to get him the Cavs had to give up a #1 overall pick in a deal that many questioned at the time and many would continue to question forever if Game 7 last season had gone slightly differently.  Again they had to install a new system from scratch, and went through two new coaches before finding the right combination.

Durant joined a 73 win team. To make room for him they only had to part with their fifth and sixth best player, the former of whom played a role that Durant could easily replicate and improve upon and the latter of whom was injured half the time anyway and was easily replaced by the Warriors' pick of veteran ring-chasers. They also already had a universally respect coach and stable organizational culture already in place. That's not his fault and it doesn't make him a bad person, but it's a totally different thing than what LeBron did in his two moves.  It's ridiculous to compare the two.
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:goodposting:

Durant is a ##### who broke the NBA

 
Charlie Harper said:
Cause sports is entertainment and he made it less entertaining.
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It's only less entertaining in the end if they win. If somehow they blow this series the story is amazing and completely different. Sort of like last year but on steroids.

Let's say they win. So how does he rectify what some think is a doosh, and a somewhat questionable legacy, move? 

Get his ring and move on? There's a lot of people that wanted this series...without Durant involved. It would have been a more true trilogy. Obviously Durant is looking to make himself happy, rightfully so. I'm guessing this option is near zero percent in the near future, but its similar to LBJ going back to Cle and saving face with many. He wouldn't have to go to OKC either.

Only accept a full max and make ownership deal someone (Klay or Dray) or go heavy into the tax...or let Durant go? This would benefit entertainment value if one of the 4 is gone.

Take a pay cut keeping the GSW in tact while these guys are in their primes? Start watching NHL more I guess.

 
culdeus said:
Can someone explain how gsw did this with the salary cap and all that.  I dont watch basketball except the finals and wont even bother with that this year. So 10 words or less is fine

Tia
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The NBA's salary cap is incredibly stupid and convoluted. You could probably have an uncapped league and still not have teams this stacked.

It's best to just not worry about it and enjoy the awesome basketball.

 
Has a league ever had their schedule so backwards?  Teams sometimes play 4 games in 5 nights, and then have to listen to complaints when they rest players, but fast forward to the finals and they can't fit 7 games in 3 weeks by time the conference finals have ended. 

 
Dedfin said:
I think it would be kinda cool for them to have doubleheaders, maybe a 9 game series in a week.
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Put caps on how many minutes individual players can play in a 24-hour period, kind of like pitch limits for pitchers at the Little League World Series.  Add an extra layer of strategy to those doubleheaders.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Put caps on how many minutes individual players can play in a 24-hour period, kind of like pitch limits for pitchers at the Little League World Series.  Add an extra layer of strategy to those doubleheaders.
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It is a "neat" concept, but do we really want to see LeBron, or Curry for 12 minutes of the 2nd game because the 1st went into OT? 

I don't want the NBA or any championship being determined because the 12th player off the bench had to play extended minutes because the best player on the team had to sit out because of  a league mandated minutes restriction. 99 percent of the time classic games don't become classics because moment supplied by Dahtany Jones vs. James Michael McAdoo

 
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Bruce Dickinson said:
Put caps on how many minutes individual players can play in a 24-hour period, kind of like pitch limits for pitchers at the Little League World Series.  Add an extra layer of strategy to those doubleheaders.
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Would really add any strategy.  JaVale McGee would be unleashed for forty minutes and the Cavs would get destroyed by 30 points.

 
msudaisy26 said:
Has a league ever had their schedule so backwards?  Teams sometimes play 4 games in 5 nights, and then have to listen to complaints when they rest players, but fast forward to the finals and they can't fit 7 games in 3 weeks by time the conference finals have ended. 
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They have to delay the start of the Finals because of the international press needing to schedule in advance, so there's nothing they can do about moving up the start time on the rare occasions when the conference finals end quickly.  And they need to extra day of rest in the Finals because it's East/West and you could end up with both teams and all the media traveling 4000 miles from Portland to Miami or something. 

So basically the only thing that doesn't make sense is the extra day between Games 1 and 2, which they do to get the Sunday night ratings.  That's what we're complaining about here.  One day.

Also baseball is way worse in terms of regular season vs playoffs.  Goes from five man pitching rotations where each pitcher starts around 20% of the games and bullpen management is important to three or four man rotation when one pitcher can start 40% of the games and bullpen fatigue is a total non-issue.  It's like a different game.

 
Frostillicus said:
I, for one, find it offesnsive personally that there is so much time between games.  Jordan didn't have to deal with this ####.
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When Jordan played, there were no days off between playoff games.  There was exactly one day off between every game for every team during the regular season.  Everything was perfect, the finals ended on the day that everyone wanted them to, and Jordan helped to sanctify humanity.  Then Lebron James came along and laid ruin to everything, and his disciple Kevin Durant perpetuated the cycle of destruction.

 
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If they don't sweep, GS will win in 5.  Cleveland has no answer for Durant.  7 ft scoring machine.  No can defend.  Plus Curry doesn't have a bad knee this year and Green isn't on suspension.  No way will they blow a 2-0 lead, let alone 3-0 or 3-1.  I'm pulling for Cleveland and like Lebron, but they just aren't good enough to beat this team.  Especially when that offense is clicking like it is now and has been through the playoffs.  

Maybe Cleveland needs to play along and get Kawhi Leonard instead of one dimensional guys like Kyle Korver.  Just have a CLE/GS finals for the next 5 years.  Really make the regular season worthless.  

 
Bobcat10 said:
It's only less entertaining in the end if they win. If somehow they blow this series the story is amazing and completely different. Sort of like last year but on steroids.

Let's say they win. So how does he rectify what some think is a doosh, and a somewhat questionable legacy, move? 

Get his ring and move on? There's a lot of people that wanted this series...without Durant involved. It would have been a more true trilogy. Obviously Durant is looking to make himself happy, rightfully so. I'm guessing this option is near zero percent in the near future, but its similar to LBJ going back to Cle and saving face with many. He wouldn't have to go to OKC either.

Only accept a full max and make ownership deal someone (Klay or Dray) or go heavy into the tax...or let Durant go? This would benefit entertainment value if one of the 4 is gone.

Take a pay cut keeping the GSW in tact while these guys are in their primes? Start watching NHL more I guess.
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The story would only be amazing to people who prefer the hot takes instead of the actual sport of basketball.

 
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