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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (1 Viewer)
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DJackson10
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Well Love isn't known to be physical. I think one of his negatives always been he's too soft down low no?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Sorry to disappointJust more of my terrible posting, i guess, even tho that part was just reporting of rumors i heard in national media today
guess i'll wait til next season's thread
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
oh, i'll be alright. i got my big fat Boston Irish racism to fall back on. thank you for your concern.
OBAMA!
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Not really, mostly Durant has ruined the NBA. Golden State and Cleveland will meet for the next 5 years for the championship and so the Cavs can beat the Warriors other teams are going to give the Cavs their best players for nothing.
Scoresman
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Weebs210
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Dedfin
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I think it was a great season! Congrats to Golden State Warrior fans. I'm sure you'll remember this for a while, as this team imo is one of the greatest, and would certainly beat any 90s Bulls teams (with Steve Kerr on it). Cleveland fans shouldn't be down either, they still have a top 2 player of all time and have a fantastic team. What a season!
DJackson10
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I started saying this to people after what the Cubs did last year. DOn't be surprised if more teams as a whole in the US refuse the invite or at least in the Pats case parts of the team don't go. After some of the comments by Kerr and warrior players awhile back this shouldn't be a surprise
DJackson10
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I've found a lot of people at least I've come in contact with hating Durant seem to be LeBron fans who think Love didn't get criticism for doing what LeBron did when he went to the Haat. For 1 both cases are different in ways and 2 a lot of people were rubbed off with a 1 hr special LeBron had that seemed more to stroke his ego when everyone and their mother knew it was a forgone conclusion before the season ended he was going to Mia and Wade and Bosh would be there too. Worst kept secrete. During the Summer Games during Basketball games it was talked about. Hey I love KD as a player and frankly he's a stand up class guy too. I worked at a GS a few yrs ago and my Manager went to a meeting in Vegas for Gamestop Employees and they had like a game and system seminar there (One of the coolest perks about working for that company as a manager) and he ran into KD there with some friends. KD took time even though his security or whatever he had told him and the fans he was running late and couldn't stop. Durant said no it's fine and signed almost every autographs or took a pic with everyone present there. Even took the time to talk to people. That really goes a long way in my book. However I'm still disappointed KD joined up with the Warriors but I'm happy he finally got his ring. I really liked OKC because of KD being a Bulls fan and when they got Billy Donovan being a huge Florida fan I just wished he'd stay there as I could have the best of both worlds. Unfortunately that wasn't true.
KD and GS didn't do anything wrong or sneaky here. Yeah people don't want to blame Cle for poor roster management namely Gilbert for bending over for James who basically told him to resign TT at all costs. I think it's great that move ended up destroying them on 2 accounts in this series. The fact TT was rendered useless and the fact he's so overpaid Cle didn't have the depth to compete with GS overall. However there's always that one group in every situation who defend someone where they act they can do no wrong no matter what facts you put in front of them.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I agree with part 1. part 2 he might be referring to social media and stuff. I've seen a lot of people come in with blaming Durant and one person I saw post how GS rigged the system for Durant. Now that was funny. I also think theres people who don't want to blame any of this on the Cavs especially James and Lue. Lue has had questionable coaching decisions and James forced Gilbert to sign TT to that horrible deal to where Cle had no space to sign additional better depth. LeBron on the court had a great series however. Anyone saying LeBron deserves blame is talking how he forced Gilberts hand where he bends over backwards to make the guys requests because he's afraid if LeBron ain't happy in Clev again he's gonna bolt. No one is taking what LeBron did on the court away there and anyone who thinks LeBron hasn't had say in this roster clearly hasn't paid attention. Even all these so called experts and analysis have said it.
Insein
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so stupid
DJackson10
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Maybe DD and I'm extremely biased in favor of Beal and say yes if Beal is healthy and playing the consistent way he can play I believe they would. In 5 games though? probably not. Drummond heck no it'd be hack a Drummond because of his poor shooting and he'd kill the teams flow they play by. Batum? Don't think he's that impactful of a player. Horford? They probably win with him.
DJackson10
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Think I read teams can't have 2 yrs in a row with back to back no 1st rounder. Someone correct me if that wrong. I don't know how many yrs but their 1st this year another 1st and probably some other assets with Love for George. Remember they are taking Love and his contract while giving you their best player one of the best in the league. So that has to entice them more as well.
DJackson10
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Plus why would they help a Division rival. That's like the Eagles giving Alshon Jeffrey to the Cowboys. Why would you want to help your rival out? This is why I hate the Trade deadline and off season banter. It was pretty bad on Social media hearing Sixers fans this year say how they could get PG or Jimmy Butler while selling those teams and unloading their trash players and all.
DJackson10
Footballguy
The national media half the time doesn't know what they are talking about Unless you are Chris Broussard and buddy buddy with LeBron who seems to tell CB everything a lot of this is just speculative and off the wall fantasy chatter to get views and page clicks. Many of these moves make zero sense when you slow down and really break it down.Just more of my terrible posting, i guess, even tho that part was just reporting of rumors i heard in national media today
guess i'll wait til next season's thread
DJackson10
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Ok so i'm debating with a friend of mine if Tyronn Lue isn't a good coach or not. I said he's one of the reasons the Cavs lost and they need a way better Xs and Os coach with experience and what not. He doesn't see how I can say that when Lue just won last years title and went to 2 straight. My argument is that Tyronn Lue walked into a great situation. Considering how weak the East is and the fact he has the best player in the NBA and amazing PG plus Love I'd hope the Cavs would reach the finals until the East had a team capable of stopping them. Also reminded him Harrison Barnes poor finals last year and Draymond Green suspension not helping the Cavs. So I guess my question here is would you say Lue is part of the problem and needs to go and if so why and who do you think would work? Remember lebron has to also OK this as well for the Cavs to even make the Move. Or do you think he should stay and just ran into bad luck of a better team in front of them?
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Synthesizer
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I'm curious if any active player has more than 18 finals wins. Anyone?
Edit: Spurs guys who are retiring.
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Bruce Dickinson
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Capella
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modogg
Footballguy
yup, on to next season. So does a healthy Embiid and Simmons beat the Warriors in 5 or 6 games next Finals
Long Ball Larry
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FTR, it looks like their 2019 first-rounder is the latest one that is out, so they could do 2021, right?
Tau837
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Jordan's teams made the postseason in 13 of 15 seasons (13 of 13 with Bulls), were 119-60 (0.665) in the postseason, made the Finals 6 times, and won 6 championships, while Jordan won 6 Finals MVPs.
Lebron's teams made the postseason in 12 of 14 seasons, are 143-74 (0.659) in the postseason, made the Finals 8 times, and won 3 championships, while Lebron won 3 Finals MVPs.
Lebron may very well be the second best player of all time at this point, but I think if you polled whatever population you want (fans, media, players, coaches, execs), the majority would prefer Jordan's postseason career.
Nothing shocking there. IMO many times when people just reference 6-0, it is shorthand for the broader postseason accomplishments favoring Jordan.
Long Ball Larry
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5Rings
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Thank you for a great post and sportsmanship in the middle of the nerdish battle of bobses and weebses (ignore is glorious!!!!). Great season Cavs!
Validating that it was a stupid post? Sure. Let's ignore that Kyrie (NO H) played 44 minutes g1 of 14-15, Green missed g5 of 15-16, and that the best thing to happen to Cleveland last year is Kevin Love got a concussion.
I don't think that would help with the Stepien Rule problem. They could maybe trade a pick swap in 2019-20 (Cleveland keeps their pick in the top 10) and then deal either their 2021 pick (in the event that the 2019 pick conveys) or their 2022 pick. Doubt that's worth much to anybody though. Even their second round picks are largely encumbered.
Long Ball Larry
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Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
How many minutes total did Irving play in the 2015 Finals? Is it possible the user's intent was to discuss the entire Finals and not just Game 1?
Green missing Game 5 of the 2016 was his own fault. He got suspended because of his own on-court actions. It's not like he was a victim or unlucky. Equating that with an injury is low-level thinking.
I get that Love is a polarizing player. As a group, followers of the game can't seem to agree if he's a good player or not. But you seem to waffle on Love depending on what narrative you are pushing at the time. We had to put up with you hurling insults at anyone who suggested anything other than Green's suspension was the reason CLE won the Finals last year (even when users parroted back your own arguments and analysis about that Finals), and now you're claiming Love's concussion was a bigger deal than Green's suspension because another user claimed Love was good. You can't seem to make up your mind.
Capella
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I think Jordan (as of now) has been better too. It's still a dumb stat to quote. And don't be obtuse, you know it has nothing to do with broad postseason accomplishments.Jordan's teams made the postseason in 13 of 15 seasons (13 of 13 with Bulls), were 119-60 (0.665) in the postseason, made the Finals 6 times, and won 6 championships, while Jordan won 6 Finals MVPs.
Lebron's teams made the postseason in 12 of 14 seasons, are 143-74 (0.659) in the postseason, made the Finals 8 times, and won 3 championships, while Lebron won 3 Finals MVPs.
Lebron may very well be the second best player of all time at this point, but I think if you polled whatever population you want (fans, media, players, coaches, execs), the majority would prefer Jordan's postseason career.
Nothing shocking there. IMO many times when people just reference 6-0, it is shorthand for the broader postseason accomplishments favoring Jordan.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Mike Miller > Steph Curry
James Jones > Klay Thompson
Udonis Haslem > Draymond Green
Tiago Splitter > Kevin Durant
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Bruce Dickinson
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Do you think people would think less of Jordan if he went 6-1 in the Finals instead of 6-0?Jordan's teams made the postseason in 13 of 15 seasons (13 of 13 with Bulls), were 119-60 (0.665) in the postseason, made the Finals 6 times, and won 6 championships, while Jordan won 6 Finals MVPs.
Lebron's teams made the postseason in 12 of 14 seasons, are 143-74 (0.659) in the postseason, made the Finals 8 times, and won 3 championships, while Lebron won 3 Finals MVPs.
Lebron may very well be the second best player of all time at this point, but I think if you polled whatever population you want (fans, media, players, coaches, execs), the majority would prefer Jordan's postseason career.
Nothing shocking there. IMO many times when people just reference 6-0, it is shorthand for the broader postseason accomplishments favoring Jordan.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I laughed more during Parts 1 & 2 of "Best of Enemies" than i have at any comedy movie this century.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
I would go with not athletic enough to excel in the post, but the context of this was the OP was surprised Love couldn't post up Durant. That's not a surprise.
Frostillicus
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Frostillicus
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Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Frostillicus said:
Even back in college Love was a high post/top of key player by design to maximize his passing and shooting abilities.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Wolves are about 2 years away. Also Milwaukee will probably be a top 3 team in the East next year and are set up for a while. Lots of ways to build a team. Even still.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Can you explain why you mention how James refused to feature Love every other post? I don't get it, and I'd like to understand what you're trying to say.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
This is so awesome I peed a little.DJackson10 said:
Frostillicus
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Come on, man.tjnc09 said:
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Perhaps the most impressive physical specimen i've ever seen on a basketball court was Sixers' C of the 80s and PLANET LOVETRON, Darryl Dawkins. Huge, strong, hops and maybe the quickest feet for a big man this side of Olajuwon. With all his other duties as the team's PG, Mo Cheeks often said his most important job was to get DD a thunderdunk early in the game cuz he would board & set picks like a monster if he got his Chocolate Thunder on. No thunda, beam DD up cuz he aint doing nothing for you the rest of the game..
The Cavs have three stars. Because of the failings of their center TThompson, KLove took a lot of his assignments down low upon himself after G1, a very un-starlike thing to do. Anyone who watches KLove play knows two things, he likes to get an early corner trey then get the ball right back, fake the trey and go to the hole. No biggie that's probably the modus operandi of every Caucasian stretch-4 in the game.
It is my contention that LBJ decided it was down to him & Kyrie after the G1 embarrassment and he never set his third option up for his "motivators" either in exploration of this as an option for his offense or as reward for all the gruntwork above & beyond the call KLove was doing. This is bad leadership, this is bad basketball. these are the trees that - for all his unprecedented talent, commitment & presence - keeps him from seeing the forest. He is the only member of my alltime basketball Top 5 who blinds himself to all but his own greatness & concerns instead of widening his scope to all options in the name of victory and that is why i still have him behind Magic, MJ & Russ in my rankings.
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