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Lebron runs that team. Lue is there because the players like him and he doesn't cause any friction. Give him a rebuilding team and they probably fall apart from lack of discipline. The Cavs won last year on grit.DJackson10 said:
I agree with your overarching theory, not sure I agree Lebron is blind to it. Need to research further.
That one can beat a team singlehandedly does not make it the optimum strategy. LeBron & Kyrie played some the best basketball we've ever seen, but by failing to elevate and in fact superseding every other aspect of the the Cavs' game, they ensured that they would lose to the Warriors, 4 dimensions to 2.
LeBron rarely forces the ball and almost always makes the correct basketball play, why should he change his game to force the ball to Love? He averaged a freaking triple double. He could have had more assists and arguably extended thee series if his teammates knocked down open looks.
And it isn't Lebron's fault that Love can't make a layup or finds himself lost when he's under the basket. If they dont go cold the last 2 minutes of game 3 and KD doesnt hit that pull-up 3, I think the Cavs win the series. Cavs lost the title that game.
Actually, a lot of people do use the "Jordan was undefeated in the finals" lie to bolder his case, and some even use the "Jordan never even had to go to a game 7 in the finals to win" line, too.
That's the part we're trying to get the folks who are heckling LeBron for losing in the Finals to reconcile. Is it better to miss the playoffs completely than to lose a playoff series? Intentional or not, it's a consequence of the argument users like tjnc09 are making when citing LeBron's game-by-game Finals record.
You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.DJackson10 said:
K - Capella should be happy cuz this will be my last attempt to clarify the point i have been trying, apparently unsuccessfully, to make since the King's place in basketball left discussion and became coronation. Have at me, cuz i wont defend. I follow arguments i can't win only so far cuz i dont do it to argue, but to make a point.
LeBron finished the playoffs as the leader in total assists, so
The Cavs go to Love, usually in the post, every single game on their first possession. This is not a secret or an exaggeration. They openly try to get him involved right away...it's easy for him to get lost in the flow/pace of a game, especially a high tempo affair. I didn't pay attention to it this series, I'm not sure if Lue changed things up because Love doesn't always have a good post up matchup vs the GSW.
I think he is just flexing in the second pictures. I honestly don't think there was much of a change.
Love like Chris Bosh in Mia with James don't really seem to work well playing the style LeBron has to play. I agree LeBron shouldn't force the Ball too Love however You want to put your teammates in position to succeed too. I don't Fault LeBron on this as much as I would Lue and the coaching staff. Didn't seem to put the guys in the best position to succeed.
Obama bought a house in DC about a mile away from The White House. Saw a comment online that Obama should invite them for a Backyard BBQ and he should post the pics all over Social media and Tag Trump. Could you imagine the Trump tweets we'd get on that?
No not at all. Simmons Defense was horrific in college and he can't shoot outside of 15 feet. If the Sixers added shooters around them and better defenders maybe but it all depends on who's added. Plus you'd need to beat the Cavs first. I think people are focusing too much on Simmons as a playmaker. Yeah he's gonna help the offense in that way but what he does to help the offense won't do them any favors on the other end. My issues with Simmons are always gonna be his attitude (Seemed very disinterested in games the team was losing, not obeying coaches etc), his shooting Mechanics and def. Offensively possible one of the better playmaking Point Forwards when it comes to passingyup, on to next season. So does a healthy Embiid and Simmons beat the Warriors in 5 or 6 games next Finals
You also have to take into account with MJ that LeBron has yrs on him playing too given MJ played 3 in college. Also and I could be wrong but the competition in the East seems weaker then what MJ went through. Is there really any team in the East right now you could compare to the Bad Boy Pistons, The Ewing Knicks, Barkley's 76ers, Celtics with Bird and all (Yes they were old but won 56 games in 91 and #2 seed in the East), You could argue the Cavs now are better then the Cavs then, Wilkins Hawks the second 3 peat with Mutombo, Mourning/Hardaway Heat, Magic with Penny and Shaq, Pacers with Reggie miller and all those teams? I don't know if any of these teams in the East would give the Bulls back then a run for their money. Boston just made the finals and some believed if Rondo didn't get hurt probably get eliminated by Chicago in the first round given how they were outbound and how Rondo basically QB that offense and knew the Bos plays from being there so long. Tor is a decent team but I think Tor last year was better. The only real threat LeBron has ever had in the East has been Chicago when they were healthy. LeBron might have 8 finals appearances but how much can we attritubute to that being in a weak East as well as playing longer age wise then when MJ came in?Jordan's teams made the postseason in 13 of 15 seasons (13 of 13 with Bulls), were 119-60 (0.665) in the postseason, made the Finals 6 times, and won 6 championships, while Jordan won 6 Finals MVPs.
Lebron's teams made the postseason in 12 of 14 seasons, are 143-74 (0.659) in the postseason, made the Finals 8 times, and won 3 championships, while Lebron won 3 Finals MVPs.
Lebron may very well be the second best player of all time at this point, but I think if you polled whatever population you want (fans, media, players, coaches, execs), the majority would prefer Jordan's postseason career.
Nothing shocking there. IMO many times when people just reference 6-0, it is shorthand for the broader postseason accomplishments favoring Jordan.
Yeah that really isn't a surprise at all. Love has never been known as a post guy. In Minny I always thought Love was overrated do to the fact he is a big who shoots and fans and the league tend to overrate those guys a little more. They are really good to have and the NBA is moving more to a Stretch 4 even some stretch 5s but shooting from 3 isn't the only thing these guys need.Frostillicus said:
Yeah I agree with that as a whole. The only argument he had was they won last years title and reached two straight finals. I told him with that team and LeBron I'd hope they could reach the finals given how little of a threat everyone in the East has been and that you or I could've don'e Lue's job the last two yrs just as well.
JFC
