Kaepernick has (had?) the arm to throw deep but shares Gabbert's lack of accuracy. Combine that with Kaepernick's lack of familiarity with the offense, I think it's likely that he's just as bad or worse. That said, they'll probably roll him out there and give him a shot to surpass expectations, because it doesn't get a whole lot worse than what they have now.
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I'm torn on this. It's hard to judge Kelly with this group of skill players, and you want to avoid rolling out a 4th head coach in four seasons. If you bring Kelly back though, you want a GM who will support him to some degree and is not just looking for a quick excuse to fire him and bring another coach in. I would lean toward giving Gamble and Kelly another year and see how they do before resetting everything.
Spin
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Exactly this. It's not even the skill players, it's on the QB. How many times were the WR WIIDE open and Gabbert flat out missed them. Gabbert is running the read/option but seemingly has it decided before the snap if he's keeping it or not. He misread quite a few last night. If we can get a semi-accurate QB, this offense could be decent/good.
Agreed - but if literally replacement level receivers are running free, imagine what they could do with real talent at the position.
Spin
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I've been pretty surprised with how well Kerley has done. Although he's in the perfect position for success. Plays with a QB that can't throw to anyone but the slot guy on a slant or crossing route less than 20 yards deep.
Chaka
Footballguy
Kaepernick has consistently been more accurate throughout his career than Gabbert (56% with 5.3 Y/A). But if you want to limit it to just his time in SFO then Gabbert is a 61% passer with a meager 6.7 Y/A (all a product of last season), while Kaep is 60% with a 7.4 Y/A. Under Chip Gabbert is hitting 58% with a staggeringly awful 4.8 Y/A. Kaepernick could beat those numbers throwing with his foot.
Kaep was at 6.6 Y/A last year, he's coming off surgery and minimal practice reps since last Spring, and reportedly looks much worse than Gabbert in practice when he is getting time. I hope you're right, but I doubt it.
Chaka
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I really have no idea how Kaep will perform but he has demonstrated in the past the ability to take over games and be a dominating force for long stretches. Gabbert has consistently shown that he is what we saw last night. I just don't see how Chip doesn't go with the upside at this point.
And my gut tells me that if given the chance Kaep is going to make the most of the opportunity.
Kaep is a veggie. And that's the part where I question his commitment. It may be possible to be a professional athlete with a vegan diet, but this is the NFL and not some triathlon. This league is full of doped, overmuscled freaks and he is trying to get by with eating soya (which makes you impotent after years, btw) and brushing his teeth with toothpaste enriched with vitamin b12.
Nothing to lose at this point.
I think he will provide a little bit of a fire under the 49ers. They are under-talented and will still lose....a lot, but we might get a little bit of excitement for a bit. Right now it's impossible to watch them.
efactor
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I have always given Balkke the benefit of the doubt but he has to go. I know a lot of you have pointed out this obvious fact, so I apologize for being late to the party.
This years draft is the final nail in the coffin. Drafting high for the first time since 2011, it was critical to nail those early picks. I had no issue with the early round approach of building the lines and I think Buckner will end up being a fine player, but the fact that Garnett can't beat out either Beadles or Tiller is a horrible sign for his potential. I generally don't like to judge a draft in the first year, but after trading into the first round to grab him, he needed to be the kind of player to become an immediate starter.
Then in early 3rd, the ACL pick rears it ugly head in Redmond. Although Trent assured everyone that Redmond could play this year, he ends up being another red shirt. Hopefully, he won't go the way of Thomas, Smelter and Lattimore but no help this year and plays the one position the team actually has depth at. The first couple times he went this route, I was Ok with it. Roster was strong and getting a good prospect seemingly cheap seemed a viable plan, but it didn't work out so stop doing it.
Robinson and Blair look like solid picks at 4 and 5, particularly Robinson. Like him a lot in fact and seems to have a bit of attitude that is needed at CB to go with his speed and length. Hopefully he developes into a player that can make this draft at least average considering where they picked
The refusal to address the WR position in the draft after the AJ Jenkins debacle is another factor in the need to get rid of Trent along with his inability to evaluate QBs. In a passing league, you can't have a GM who can't access QB/WR talent. Was wondering when they might consider taking Prescott while the draft unfolded, but guess that was never an option.
On the positive side, I think Kelly was a good hire but I fear he will end up being a wasted hire unless they can hire a GM who can draft offensive talent. Kelly is designing plays to get even his below average receivers open but no QB to deliver the ball or TEs who can't catch when they do. Team is currently the 4th highest valued franchise in the NFL (heard that on ESPN anyway) so perhaps a kings ransom should be paid for a top flight GM. However, it's the Yorks so I won't hold my breath.
I really want to be optimistic and at least see the team moving in the right direction. They have some talented players on defense but the injuries to Bowman, Buckner, Armstrong and Ward, along with the Lynch suspension has already taken it's toll. Lack of depth pretty much everywhere except DB. Failure to address ILB in both the draft and FA another failing of Trent.
This years draft is the final nail in the coffin. Drafting high for the first time since 2011, it was critical to nail those early picks. I had no issue with the early round approach of building the lines and I think Buckner will end up being a fine player, but the fact that Garnett can't beat out either Beadles or Tiller is a horrible sign for his potential. I generally don't like to judge a draft in the first year, but after trading into the first round to grab him, he needed to be the kind of player to become an immediate starter.
Then in early 3rd, the ACL pick rears it ugly head in Redmond. Although Trent assured everyone that Redmond could play this year, he ends up being another red shirt. Hopefully, he won't go the way of Thomas, Smelter and Lattimore but no help this year and plays the one position the team actually has depth at. The first couple times he went this route, I was Ok with it. Roster was strong and getting a good prospect seemingly cheap seemed a viable plan, but it didn't work out so stop doing it.
Robinson and Blair look like solid picks at 4 and 5, particularly Robinson. Like him a lot in fact and seems to have a bit of attitude that is needed at CB to go with his speed and length. Hopefully he developes into a player that can make this draft at least average considering where they picked
The refusal to address the WR position in the draft after the AJ Jenkins debacle is another factor in the need to get rid of Trent along with his inability to evaluate QBs. In a passing league, you can't have a GM who can't access QB/WR talent. Was wondering when they might consider taking Prescott while the draft unfolded, but guess that was never an option.
On the positive side, I think Kelly was a good hire but I fear he will end up being a wasted hire unless they can hire a GM who can draft offensive talent. Kelly is designing plays to get even his below average receivers open but no QB to deliver the ball or TEs who can't catch when they do. Team is currently the 4th highest valued franchise in the NFL (heard that on ESPN anyway) so perhaps a kings ransom should be paid for a top flight GM. However, it's the Yorks so I won't hold my breath.
I really want to be optimistic and at least see the team moving in the right direction. They have some talented players on defense but the injuries to Bowman, Buckner, Armstrong and Ward, along with the Lynch suspension has already taken it's toll. Lack of depth pretty much everywhere except DB. Failure to address ILB in both the draft and FA another failing of Trent.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Dezbelief
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Hot Sauce Guy
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I would be more receptive to that - still not ideal, but Bridgewater has shown flashes of being a very good QB. Not sure it will matter. There's nothing there to build on.
The more time goes on, and the more I hear about the Yorks and the way they do business, the less I care about any of this. I said it in the early season - I'll always be a 49er fan, but I might start rooting for another team unless the ownership stops treating this team like an ATM and starts fielding a competitive product.
Being a die hard fan shouldn't mean drinking the cyanide-tainted Kool-Aid. I've about had enough. Looking at this roster, I cannot identify a single player outside of Hyde who has a chance of being on a winning team during the span of their career. And the way Baalke drafts, I give Hyde little chance of ever being on a quality team.
/rant.
drummer
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There are so many FIRE BAALKE articles on the net right now that you don't need to GoFundMe for a banner or toss a bunch pink inflated Trumps from the stands for "Hans, Bubby" (Jed) to notice. The Yorks are probably doing an exhaustive search for a new GM as we speak, and it will be Gamble as GM and Trent Dilfer as his underling to mentor. Mama doesn't like mean people around Bubby. People who know more than he does about things like football. Mama wanted Chip Kelley because he was in no position to be mean to Bubby and Baalke - just look at who the starting QB was the past 5 games.
Now Mama is asking Paraag - yeah he still is around but like, not around - what to do with that malcontent Kaep. So far, a restructured deal that looks like it came from HQ but really IMO a total Paraag construct. Kape hates Baalke, is showing up Bubby, and all the while the ticket prices are about as worthy as going up the street to that amusement park, which probably has more attendance now.
Mama runs the show here. It's a Crap Show, but Mama don't care. Mama never had.
Now Mama is asking Paraag - yeah he still is around but like, not around - what to do with that malcontent Kaep. So far, a restructured deal that looks like it came from HQ but really IMO a total Paraag construct. Kape hates Baalke, is showing up Bubby, and all the while the ticket prices are about as worthy as going up the street to that amusement park, which probably has more attendance now.
Mama runs the show here. It's a Crap Show, but Mama don't care. Mama never had.
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drummer
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Of course a stadium tour would cost more. The museum reminds of football, not what the trot on the field:
http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/some-tickets-to-tonights-49ers-game-are-cheaper-than-levis-stadium-tour/
http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/some-tickets-to-tonights-49ers-game-are-cheaper-than-levis-stadium-tour/
Jed's cousin Lisa (Eddie D's daughter as far as I can tell) is unleashing hot fire at Jed on Twitter this afternoon. https://mobile.twitter.com/LisaDeBartolo/status/788473110408278016 
Ted Stickles
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Added link...
http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/10/18/13323210/lisa-debartolo-tweet-jed-york-49ers-ceo-eddie-debartolo
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sandlotshrink
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So an ESPN alert came out that Hyde is doubtful for this weekend. Anyone have a feel one way or the other about Davis or Draughn?
I now see the Mike Davis thread so disregard this post!
I now see the Mike Davis thread so disregard this post!
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32 Counter Pass
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Frankly, I do not see a lot of value in the 9er offense as long as CK is under center. The team becomes one dimensional with CK's inability to throw an accurate pass at almost any distance. (Even the long td to Smith was under thrown.) Case in point, Hyde had his worst game of the season with CK under center. The offense presented a more dimensional threat with Gabbert under center, which say more about CK's ability than anything else. Run the other way!
rumors locally raising the possibility of Chip returning to college ball:
http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/10/19/rumors-of-chip-kellys-return-to-college-starting-to-swirl/
http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/10/19/rumors-of-chip-kellys-return-to-college-starting-to-swirl/
Braktastic
Footballguy
This season is totally worth it if it finally gets Balkke fired.
Chip should consider going back to college. This is going to be a long rebuild.
That said, I think he's done a better job with the offense than he's going to get credit for. The talent is just so awful, no one would be able to get results out of this group. If I only had a dollar for each time a Kelly play call had sprung open a replacement level receiver, and the below replacement level QB just missed him.
Every defensive staffer should be fired along with Baalke, however.
Insein
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It's funny because the mantra throughout 2014 and 2015 till just before his firing was that Chip just needed his type of QB and a lot of so called experts here (Philly) insisted that QB was Colin Kaepernick.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I don't really understand this story. The substance of the article seems to be that LaConfora expects it to happen in the near future. The same #### went on all the time in Philadelphia. It's an obvious story and of course Chip will have offers when he wants them and will return at some point if things don't pan out in the NFL. I don't think there's necessarily that much real meat on the bone, though. I mean, the guy jumped into one of the worst NFL jobs immediately, when he could have stayed out and collected checks and/or looked at other college jobs.
drummer
Footballguy
This thread is only five pages deep.
12 straight losses.
Mama and Daddy refute that little Jed's toy is gonna be taken from him. Even though the 49ers are the one of the most expensive tickets in the NFL, to field one of the worst teams in franchise history, and that is including Daddy's run with the team. Little Jed is doing WORSE than his own Dad. It's clear Jed ain't his uncle. Except for the swindling part, but that is a DeBartolo trait.
I think this is the greatest 49er season ever. The fans earned this one, and deserve it.
12 straight losses.
Mama and Daddy refute that little Jed's toy is gonna be taken from him. Even though the 49ers are the one of the most expensive tickets in the NFL, to field one of the worst teams in franchise history, and that is including Daddy's run with the team. Little Jed is doing WORSE than his own Dad. It's clear Jed ain't his uncle. Except for the swindling part, but that is a DeBartolo trait.
I think this is the greatest 49er season ever. The fans earned this one, and deserve it.
Wingnut
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I'm out until the team is either sold, or there's an actual effort by the FO to field a quality product. I just cant support or root for this franchise until things change....and I don't see that happening any time soon. This team doesn't deserve to have me as a fan, so Im done.
Peace out And f### Jed.
Peace out And f### Jed.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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That's what I've been saying for 2 years.
I am a Niner fan. I will bleed red & gold and will die a Niner fan.
but my team no longer equals my passion to win. My team built the world's largest ATM and ripped my team out of their city. My team has fired one of the finest coaches we've ever had to keep one of the least competent GMs we've ever had. A GM who's wasted pick after pick with 3 active players to show for his entire career.
And to top it all off, my team is 30+ million under the cap with needs at just about every position.
That alone tells me it's time for me to stop giving them my passion and my money. I will still rock the Frank Gore jersey. I have a photo of Patrick Willis in my den. I will forever cherish the good times - the Riverboat Eddie era.
but for now, it's go Raiders! For the last 2 years I've been consistently impressed by this team and they're consistently fun to watch.
Some friends have mocked me for this - that's fine. When my team shows a similar commitment to excellence, and financial commitment to go with it, I'll be right back rooting for them. It's not just about rooting for a winner - I'm an old ####er - i went through the 1970s watching horrific Niner teams. I was here in the Dennis Erickson, Mike Singletary, Jim Hostler eras too. And I rooted for them through every bitter disappointment,every head-scratching play cal. But this is different this is an ownership that's shown me nothing but greed as stupidity. Owner meddling and managerial incompetence. Until they reverse course and start investing in their team, it's just a buch of us schmucks watching a terrible product and getting fleeced out of our hard earned paychecks. And I've had enough.
Shame on the Yorks. Shame.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Wingnut
Footballguy
My girlfriend is a Steelers fan, so Ive been watching them every week and have only watched maybe 5 minutes of the 49ers this year. Watching Pittsburgh, a team with great history, tradition, pride, and who consistently fields a competitive team and quality product...and whose fandom runs in families and travels well with the team...it just makes me hate the Yorks even more.
So for me, for now, its Go Steelers and f### the Yorks.
I've discovered I just don't like the sport enough to root for another team if the Niners are unwatchable. Since week 2-3 my only involvement with the NFL has been following a couple of Niners reporters on Twitter. Been really nice to have my Sundays unencumbered.
Insein
Footballguy
Chip certainly has that affect on a team. Previous 2 years my Sundays were wide open.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
And in response, chip says "I'll show you who is the most incompetent at being incompetent."
