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2016 ACC Basketball (closed - see 2017 thread) (2 Viewers)

Well done, ACC. As a life-long ACC watcher, the only way this could be better would be if they had four of the final eight and none of them were UNC or Duke( me conveniently forgetting that two of those remaining are carpetbaggers). I'm a UVA fan from here until April 4th - had family go there and it's the closest school to my home. Man, oh man, did the Hoos look good last night.

 
TLEF316 said:
So I'm sure this "coach k lectured Dillon brooks" is gonna be a thing for the next week.

K flipped on the reporter who asked him about it in the press conference. Basically denied that he said it and then deflected by going into a whole "thank you to the volunteers who make this possible" routine.

If he actually said it, he shouldn't have.  Don't need to coach another team's players and it comes off as sour grapes. Oregon did some flexing last night but I think it was celebratory rather than taunting. Brooks making a 30 footer to beat the shot clock with 5 to go was kinda emblematic of the night
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I don't think what K said was a big deal, but some people will make it a big deal, especially Duke haters.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Well done, ACC. As a life-long ACC watcher, the only way this could be better would be if they had four of the final eight and none of them were UNC or Duke( me conveniently forgetting that two of those remaining are carpetbaggers). I'm a UVA fan from here until April 4th - had family go there and it's the closest school to my home. Man, oh man, did the Hoos look good last night.
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I'm rooting for UVA to win it all.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Woo hoo Ga Tech is getting a new coach.  Hope he's a patient man because that roster is going to suck next year.
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Doesn't this mean Ga Tech will be paying both Hewitt and Gregory now? I assume they will be limited in what they can pay their new coach based on having to pay the two former coaches. I still think they made the right decision in letting Gregory go.

 
omally said:
Doesn't this mean Ga Tech will be paying both Hewitt and Gregory now? I assume they will be limited in what they can pay their new coach based on having to pay the two former coaches. I still think they made the right decision in letting Gregory go.
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I'm not positive but I think Hewitt is finally off the books after this year

 
AAABatteries said:
omally said:
Doesn't this mean Ga Tech will be paying both Hewitt and Gregory now? I assume they will be limited in what they can pay their new coach based on having to pay the two former coaches. I still think they made the right decision in letting Gregory go.
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I'm not positive but I think Hewitt is finally off the books after this year
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GT still owes Hewitt $2.7 million for the next three years.

 
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omally said:
Doesn't this mean Ga Tech will be paying both Hewitt and Gregory now? I assume they will be limited in what they can pay their new coach based on having to pay the two former coaches. I still think they made the right decision in letting Gregory go.
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I just assume they are paying Hewitt until he dies.  Whoever gave him that contract should be in jail.  But yeah, we probably will go cheap but it's by choice not necessity IMO.  I'm guessing we will end up with one of these mid-major coaches but whoever it is needs to focus on recruiting.  There's no reason a decent coach can't get good players to Atlanta.

 
ACC on track to shatter record for money earned in NCAA tournament

Through Friday night, ACC teams have earned 23 units, counting their Elite Eight games. They will earn another two from the Final Four, putting the total at 25 units. That's where the conference will finish, because no units are awarded for the title game. The previous record for the most units earned in a single NCAA tournament was 24 by the Big East in 2009.

The 25 units are worth at least $39.9 million. The ACC guaranteed itself at least $32.8 million from the 21 units it brought home in last year's tournament.
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Imagine if Louisville was eligible.

 
TLEF316 said:
So I'm sure this "coach k lectured Dillon brooks" is gonna be a thing for the next week.

K flipped on the reporter who asked him about it in the press conference. Basically denied that he said it and then deflected by going into a whole "thank you to the volunteers who make this possible" routine.

If he actually said it, he shouldn't have.  Don't need to coach another team's players and it comes off as sour grapes. Oregon did some flexing last night but I think it was celebratory rather than taunting. Brooks making a 30 footer to beat the shot clock with 5 to go was kinda emblematic of the night
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I don't really get why it is a big deal to start with. Coach K is an old coach. Whether or not one agrees with him, it isn't surprising an old coach would not like what Dillon did and would say something to him about it.

But why did Coach K lie about it? That seems rather bizarre. If you are Coach K, you can essentially do whatever you want. Why worry about what others think over something as trivial as this? It actually gets more attention because he lied about it that it would have otherwise. Now he has had to come out with a statement of apology, though it was careful to say he "responded incorrectly" rather than calling it a lie.

 
Just Win Baby said:
I don't really get why it is a big deal to start with. Coach K is an old coach. Whether or not one agrees with him, it isn't surprising an old coach would not like what Dillon did and would say something to him about it.

But why did Coach K lie about it? That seems rather bizarre. If you are Coach K, you can essentially do whatever you want. Why worry about what others think over something as trivial as this? It actually gets more attention because he lied about it that it would have otherwise. Now he has had to come out with a statement of apology, though it was careful to say he "responded incorrectly" rather than calling it a lie.
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Well there is the part where the same coach lecturing Dillon Brooks about his on court behavior has no problem letting his own players do much worse.  Not just talking about the numerous Grayson Allen tripping incidents either.  Coach Kleadership is a hypocrite.

Jason McCallum ‏@JMacSC With a 92-71 lead with 29 seconds left in game vs Siena on November 13, Brandon Ingram (starter) took a jumper (missed) Jason McCallum ‏@JMacSC With an 80-60 lead with 40 seconds left in game vs Yale on November 25, Brandon Ingram (starter) took a 3-pointer (missed) Jason McCallum ‏@JMacSC  With an 85-50 lead with 43 seconds left in game vs Utah State on November 29, Brandon Ingram (starter) took a jumper (missed) Jason McCallum ‏@JMacSC With a 100-81 lead with 9 seconds left in game vs Long Beach State on December 30, Matt Jones (starter) took a 3-pointer (made) Jason McCallum ‏@JMacSC  With a 91-75 lead and 11 seconds left in game at Wake Forest on January 6, Matt Jones (starter) took a 3-pointer (missed) Jason McCallum ‏@JMacSC With a 79-58 lead and 10 seconds left in game vs Virginia Tech on January 9, Matt Jones (starter) took a 3-pointer (made)

McCallum missed the Georgia Southern game.  Here is the ending of that game where he's got his starters in up 30 something and they are shooting in the final minute.  Kennard even takes one with :27 and the shot clock is off.

Georgia Southern 65 @Duke 99 12/15/15 As Duke was struggling to hold a 34 point lead in the last 90 seconds (play by play per ESPN): 1:25 Nick Pagliuca Defensive Rebound. 61 - 94 1:15 Luke Kennard made Three Point Jumper. Assisted by Derryck Thornton. 61 - 97 0:56 Devonte Boykins made Layup. Assisted by Tookie Brown. 63 - 97 0:32 Luke Kennard missed Jumper. 63 - 97 0:31 Jason Burnell Block. 63 - 97 0:30 Luke Kennard Offensive Rebound. 63 - 97 0:27 Luke Kennard made Layup. 63 - 99 0:15 Devonte Boykins missed Three Point Jumper. 63 - 99 0:15 Aubrey McRae Offensive Rebound. 63 - 99 0:09 Aubrey McRae made Jumper. 65 - 99 0:00 End of Game 65 - 99 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Just Win Baby said:
I don't really get why it is a big deal to start with. Coach K is an old coach. Whether or not one agrees with him, it isn't surprising an old coach would not like what Dillon did and would say something to him about it.

But why did Coach K lie about it? That seems rather bizarre. If you are Coach K, you can essentially do whatever you want. Why worry about what others think over something as trivial as this? It actually gets more attention because he lied about it that it would have otherwise. Now he has had to come out with a statement of apology, though it was careful to say he "responded incorrectly" rather than calling it a lie.
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Well there is the part where the same coach lecturing Dillon Brooks about his on court behavior has no problem letting his own players do much worse.  Not just talking about the numerous Grayson Allen tripping incidents either.  Coach Kleadership is a hypocrite.
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How do you know that K doesn't have a problem with his own players doing it? He is known to give them a big tongue lashing when he is mad, and I'm sure he has given them a piece of his mind in the locker room when they have done something that has pissed him off.

 
omally said:
How do you know that K doesn't have a problem with his own players doing it? He is known to give them a big tongue lashing when he is mad, and I'm sure he has given them a piece of his mind in the locker room when they have done something that has pissed him off.
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When it's happened in 7 of their 20 something wins, he either has no problem with it or he has no control over his team.  Which option do you think is more likely?

And why are the starters in the game in those situations if sportsmanship is so important?  Just don't be a hypocrite.

 
Pretty sure it was more about the show boating (he turned toward the general direction of the duke bench and made a very exaggerated saluting motion) than the shot. I can't imagine anyone cares about the shot. Hoisting up a 30 footer (that happened to go in) is better than taking a shot clock violation and making the other team inbound the ball.

 
TLEF316 said:
Pretty sure it was more about the show boating (he turned toward the general direction of the duke bench and made a very exaggerated saluting motion) than the shot. I can't imagine anyone cares about the shot. Hoisting up a 30 footer (that happened to go in) is better than taking a shot clock violation and making the other team inbound the ball.
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:goodposting:

 
TLEF316 said:
Pretty sure it was more about the show boating (he turned toward the general direction of the duke bench and made a very exaggerated saluting motion) than the shot. I can't imagine anyone cares about the shot. Hoisting up a 30 footer (that happened to go in) is better than taking a shot clock violation and making the other team inbound the ball.
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Yea, I'm not sure why people keep making it about the shot.  Trying to move the goal posts to fit their argument, I assume.

It's about the gloating and then trying to clown Grayson with the BS hug at the end.

 
tdoss said:
Yea, I'm not sure why people keep making it about the shot.  Trying to move the goal posts to fit their argument, I assume.

It's about the gloating and then trying to clown Grayson with the BS hug at the end.
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Whatever spin you want to put on it is fine.  The coach shouldn't be lecturing anyone on behavior though.  What's worse?  A salute after hitting a three pointer in a Sweet 16 game or a player tripping an opponent multiple times this year without punishment?  Coach K's public comments about the tripping have all been supportive of Allen so he damn sure shouldn't be bent out of shape about someone saluting a big shot.  

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Well done, ACC. As a life-long ACC watcher, the only way this could be better would be if they had four of the final eight and none of them were UNC or Duke( me conveniently forgetting that two of those remaining are carpetbaggers). I'm a UVA fan from here until April 4th - had family go there and it's the closest school to my home. Man, oh man, did the Hoos look good last night.
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ACC fans like yourself should be rooting for UVA and UNC-- makes sense to me.  They're ACC teams (understanding that for many of you Duke would be impossible/near-impossible to root for in any circumstance).  Similarly, everyone I know in Syracuse is rooting for Nova and Syracuse b/c we're loyal to our heritage too (though many have a similar exception for Gerogetown as ACC fans have for Duke).  

Tying the world closer to how most fans frame it up in the Elite 8 there are 2 ACC teams, 2 Big East, 2 Big 12, 1 P12 and one independent-- and 0 B1G/SEC.  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
tdoss said:
Yea, I'm not sure why people keep making it about the shot.  Trying to move the goal posts to fit their argument, I assume.

It's about the gloating and then trying to clown Grayson with the BS hug at the end.
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Whatever spin you want to put on it is fine.  The coach shouldn't be lecturing anyone on behavior though.  
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I don't consider what he did a lecture. I think he gave the kid some good advice.

 
omally said:
I don't consider what he did a lecture. I think he gave the kid some good advice.
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But he's a hypocrite for giving him advice at all considering his own player's behaviors at times.  How do you think Coach K would react if random coach from another team went over and gave Grayson Allen some advice about sportsmanship?

 
Tango said:
ACC fans like yourself should be rooting for UVA and UNC-- makes sense to me.  They're ACC teams (understanding that for many of you Duke would be impossible/near-impossible to root for in any circumstance).  
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Why would Duke "be more impossible/near-impossible to root for in any circumstance" than UNC?

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
omally said:
I don't consider what he did a lecture. I think he gave the kid some good advice.
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But he's a hypocrite for giving him advice at all considering his own player's behaviors at times.  How do you think Coach K would react if random coach from another team went over and gave Grayson Allen some advice about sportsmanship?
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He would probably say to Grayson Allen in the locker room, "What the bleep did I bleeping tell you. Bleep!"

 
tdoss said:
Yea, I'm not sure why people keep making it about the shot.  Trying to move the goal posts to fit their argument, I assume.

It's about the gloating and then trying to clown Grayson with the BS hug at the end.
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Who cares whether it is over the shot or over the gloating. Why lie about it? Surprised K would handle this so poorly given how old/experienced he is. If he had a problem with it enough to say something to the player, he should have said it in the press conference.

Of course, I think RW's point that K essentially condoned Allen's tripping undermines any indignation he could rightfully claim about another player's showboating is spot on.

 
I just noticed on Wiki that the next two ACC Championships are being held in Brooklyn, New York...is that right?

 
Not sure why you are calling me out.  Oregon had a great season and tournament.   I'm glad some of you ACC guys that were so dismissive of Oregon getting a 1 seed saw how deserving they were.   When a few of you admitted you never saw Oregon play this year it all made sense.  

 
tdoss said:
I also just realized that tomorrow could be considered a mini-ACC tournament.
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The Big East could tie the record they set in 1985 with 3 schools in the Final Four again.  Oh wait...., we're calling these teams "ACC" schools now?  Oh, right.  Got it.  Of course Notre Dame was never a Big East school either.

 
Tango said:
ACC fans like yourself should be rooting for UVA and UNC-- makes sense to me.  They're ACC teams (understanding that for many of you Duke would be impossible/near-impossible to root for in any circumstance).  Similarly, everyone I know in Syracuse is rooting for Nova and Syracuse b/c we're loyal to our heritage too (though many have a similar exception for Gerogetown as ACC fans have for Duke).  

Tying the world closer to how most fans frame it up in the Elite 8 there are 2 ACC teams, 2 Big East, 2 Big 12, 1 P12 and one independent-- and 0 B1G/SEC.  
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In my case, you're wrong. I'm pretty old and my hatred for UNC runs deeper than it does for Duke. Duke sucked when I was a kid. The Big 3 were UNC/NCSU/Maryland back then, with UVA and Wake occasionally shaking things up. Dean Smith coached the pants off of the team I root for while K was still ####### around at Army.

I can't root for UNC - ever. If ISIS had a team, I'd pull for them over the Heels. When Carolina plays Duke, the best I can hope for is me going blind and deaf. And maybe a tactical nuke strike on the gym.

I have family ties to UVA, even if they have the most pretentious fans in the ACC this side of UNC, and they've never won anything. 

 
Tango said:
ACC fans like yourself should be rooting for UVA and UNC-- makes sense to me.  They're ACC teams (understanding that for many of you Duke would be impossible/near-impossible to root for in any circumstance).  Similarly, everyone I know in Syracuse is rooting for Nova and Syracuse b/c we're loyal to our heritage too (though many have a similar exception for Gerogetown as ACC fans have for Duke).  

Tying the world closer to how most fans frame it up in the Elite 8 there are 2 ACC teams, 2 Big East, 2 Big 12, 1 P12 and one independent-- and 0 B1G/SEC.  
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There's 4 ACC teams

 
Tango said:
The Big East could tie the record they set in 1985 with 3 schools in the Final Four again.  Oh wait...., we're calling these teams "ACC" schools now?  Oh, right.  Got it.  Of course Notre Dame was never a Big East school either.
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Correct, they are ACC schools because they are in the ACC.

 
Tango said:
The Big East could tie the record they set in 1985 with 3 schools in the Final Four again.  Oh wait...., we're calling these teams "ACC" schools now?  Oh, right.  Got it.  Of course Notre Dame was never a Big East school either.
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Yes, we call them ACC schools, because, you know, they are in the ACC. Many of us don't like it but have been forced to accept it. Maybe you should, too. 

 
AAABatteries said:
Correct, they are ACC schools because they are in the ACC.
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Funny...watch ESPN and its like Syracuse has been in the ACC for decades.

But listen to talk radio and people actually care enough to call to say how they were emotionally invested in Villanove last night and openly root against "their" new conference.

 
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Just Win Baby said:
Yes, we call them ACC schools, because, you know, they are in the ACC. Many of us don't like it but have been forced to accept it. Maybe you should, too. 
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Sorry, it's the general public.  My friends in Maryland (where I lived a long while) love the ACC and despise the B1G-- the ACC is in their blood and they'll never out-grow it or get used to it.

There are plenty of exceptions of people who actually like the moves of their new school.  Of course, all my friends who currently live in NC come to mind and MD fans in Chicago, for example-- but it's not just geography.  But there's a critical mass of people who will never accept it.

Cant blame them.

Anyway, go Syracuse...

 
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Uruk-Hai said:
In my case, you're wrong. I'm pretty old and my hatred for UNC runs deeper than it does for Duke. Duke sucked when I was a kid. The Big 3 were UNC/NCSU/Maryland back then, with UVA and Wake occasionally shaking things up. Dean Smith coached the pants off of the team I root for while K was still ####### around at Army.

I can't root for UNC - ever. If ISIS had a team, I'd pull for them over the Heels. When Carolina plays Duke, the best I can hope for is me going blind and deaf. And maybe a tactical nuke strike on the gym.

I have family ties to UVA, even if they have the most pretentious fans in the ACC this side of UNC, and they've never won anything. 
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I love the passion for your conference.  It's part of what made college basketball great.

 
Wow...'Cuse...WOW!

UVA just snakebit...can't seem to get over the nerves of the championship moment.

 
Tango said:
The Big East could tie the record they set in 1985 with 3 schools in the Final Four again.  Oh wait...., we're calling these teams "ACC" schools now?  Oh, right.  Got it.  Of course Notre Dame was never a Big East school either.
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Acc looks like they'll get one in the Fnal Four here-- let's see if UNC can hang on.

 
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