2016 Auction Thread (2 Viewers)

[Mr. Irrelevant]

- It seems most people follow the pattern of spending most of their budget on their starting 7, anyone have real success in spreading it out more across the whole roster? I suppose on practicality that's really a recipe for mediocrity though.

In my experience, the only time that really works is in leagues with more teams and deeper rosters. I once won a 14-teamer with deep benches without spending more than $25 on anyone in the draft, because I deliberately drafted for depth and when the studs got hurt, the WW was like a Kansas wheat field in November, so I was able to swing a couple of lopsided trades. Even then, I never looked at my team and thought, "yep, this right here is a juggernaut."

In most leagues of rational size, the teams with the most studs are the ones with the greatest title chances, and you should bid accordingly.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

CBS works fine for auction.  If you have any data to import (salary, etc.) you have to make sure and do it before the draft.  CBS only updates the draft room once every 24 hours.  I learned this because we run the league at MFL, but draft at CBS.  I had to import keeper salaries.  I hope this helps.

I feel like an idiot, I didn't even know this was possible.

 

[Mr.Pack]

QB position is way too deep to spend 15-20% of your cap on your QB.

I think this is subjective depending on your leagues scoring system. I typically spend ~25% on a Stud QB and I've won my league 3 out of the last 4 years.

I just looked over my scoring from years past, 7-8 of the Top 10 in scoring every year are QB's. So a lot depends on your league scoring.

 

[Mr.Pack]

So, do any of you have any strategies planned as of now?  Any guys you are targeting?  As I said before I'm focused on spending most of my money on some top 5 WRs if I can.

You can have a loose strategy, but again, it depends on the league, scoring and if it's a keeper league.

My strategy is typically trying to stick to a % at each position and try to get a few in top tiers. But you HAVE to be flexible in an auction especially depending on all of the above factors and the way the auction is going.

 

[Raback]

Had my auction tonight.  I went in with the target of spending most of my money on 4 players.  I was trying to avoid paying for the top few guys at each position as I felt there would be better deals elsewhere.   

Ended up with Allen Robinson, Brandon Marshall, Keenan Allen and Mark Ingram as my 4, which I was pretty happy with.  Filled out the rest of my starting lineup with Phillip Rivers, Julius Thomas and Duke Johnson, all who I got for well below my projected values due to nomination timing.  Bench is mostly fliers but I feel confident I can find depth as the year goes on.  

 

[TripItUp]

Had my auction tonight.  I went in with the target of spending most of my money on 4 players.  I was trying to avoid paying for the top few guys at each position as I felt there would be better deals elsewhere.   

Ended up with Allen Robinson, Brandon Marshall, Keenan Allen and Mark Ingram as my 4, which I was pretty happy with.  Filled out the rest of my starting lineup with Phillip Rivers, Julius Thomas and Duke Johnson, all who I got for well below my projected values due to nomination timing.  Bench is mostly fliers but I feel confident I can find depth as the year goes on.  

This is my exact strategy except I'd like 5 or 6 players, two of which are your players

I'm targeting Evans/Marshall/Ingram/Gordon/Reed/Manning

 

[Hawkeye21]

I had my big auction draft Saturday and it was a blast. Once again I had a mental block on spending more on the top players I wanted. I'm don't think drinking all day helped. Overall I still like my team though. 

The most expensive players were Gurley and AB and they went for $30. The next closest was $28 and three players went for that. Players in our draft and getting more and more afraid of spending a huge amount on players. 

My goal of waiting on QB and TE until the snake portion went well I think. I took Winston with my first pick and then Gates with my second.  I didn't draft a kicker. 

My roster consists of 1 QB, 7 RBs, 6 WRs, 1 TE and 1 DST.  I didn't get two of the top five WRs like I originally planned but I did get one with AJ Green for $23. Also grabbed Nelson, Evans and DT. Not bad for my starting 4 I thought. 

 

[mquinnjr]

@Hawkeye21 Can you post your auction summary?  My main league does its auction through espn and I'm curious how the pricing ended up in comparison to their estimated values.  

I like the strategy of locking down a position with the top talent, and I feel ESPN is way low on the RB's at the end of the draft (Forsett, Gore, Foster etc.)  Just wondering how it worked in practice cause in mock drafts I get some pretty solid looking teams.

I have found that if you aren't in a sharp league, most people will use the ESPN AAV's as their base for making bids. As soon as you start to even smell this playing out, you can effectively "count cards" if you see people bidding up to and holding close to the ESPN AAV's, because "experts set them." You just propose players you feel are overvalued on that scale by tier, scoop up the rest of the value in fading the herd, and profit. I have found success with this many times in the past with friend/local leagues.

 

[Scoresman]

My usual post in these threads.

The # 1 piece of advice I would give for auctions is to know the drafting tendencies of your league.  This is more important in auctions than snakes because you can adjust your nomination and bidding up strategies based on these tendencies.  

The # 2 piece of advice is to not live by hard $ limits on players or even positions.  You need to be flexible to follow the flow of the auction.  Even the draft dominator knows this rule as the values per player adjust as the draft goes.  If you have hard limits for players, and this is a year when prices start off high, you'll end up with a team that has no studs.  You'll probably still think you did well because of all the mid tier bargains you got, but talk to me about those mid tier bargains when you're in 8th place in November.  

 

[WhoDeyTKO]

My advice would be to create your own board not off "expert analysis" but based off your league's tendencies. My league for example heavily inflates the top 20 fantasy players values vs. what Yahoo is telling us they should be. This means players like Julio Jones and ADP can go for close to 100$ of a 300$ budget, and then later there are bargains to be had.  I always plan for this when prepping for each year's draft. I usually pick one "stud" that I will pay up to get and then fill my team with tier 2 or 3 guys. This strategy ensures I have star power, but also allows me more depth than the studs and duds approach.  I also usually save a little money towards the end to ensure I get one or two of my sleepers.

 

[psychobillies]

We're converting a long time league to auction this year, and I have no idea what to expect.  I've given it plenty of thought and realize that there are just too many variables to get stuck on one strategy going in.  My biggest problem is figuring when to say when, nd what the actual values of the top guys are.  I think the VBD app had values maxed out in the $40 range, which seems low ($200 budget).  

 

[Scoresman]

We're converting a long time league to auction this year, and I have no idea what to expect.  I've given it plenty of thought and realize that there are just too many variables to get stuck on one strategy going in.  My biggest problem is figuring when to say when, nd what the actual values of the top guys are.  I think the VBD app had values maxed out in the $40 range, which seems low ($200 budget).  

That is low.  With a $200 budget, the top guys will probably go in the 60-70 range in a typical draft.  If people are timid because its the first year of the auction, jump on the early values.  

 

[Slapdash]

I was setting up for my draft in DD this year.  I feel like they are assigning a much higher dollar value for QBs than in the past.  Certainly weird to see Cam Newton as one of the top spends in non-PPR over players with much higher VBD.  Any thoughts?

 

[CalBear]

We're converting a long time league to auction this year, and I have no idea what to expect.  I've given it plenty of thought and realize that there are just too many variables to get stuck on one strategy going in.  My biggest problem is figuring when to say when, nd what the actual values of the top guys are.  I think the VBD app had values maxed out in the $40 range, which seems low ($200 budget).  

The biggest thing is to make sure you're not using Joe's Secret Formula as the baseline. It's totally wrong for auctions. The VBD app with default settings looks like it's setting the QB baseline as 336 points, which makes top QBs worthless. 

FBG is all over the map in terms of how they calculate auction value in different tools. Frankly I'm not a big fan of any of their methods; they all require pretty extensive tweaking, in my book. But as a first-time auctioner you probably should avoid getting too subtle. You can use the "Fudge Factor" setting to steepen the cost curve, and you probably should do that. Try it out with 0.2 and see if that looks better.

 

[Hawkeye21]

We're converting a long time league to auction this year, and I have no idea what to expect.  I've given it plenty of thought and realize that there are just too many variables to get stuck on one strategy going in.  My biggest problem is figuring when to say when, nd what the actual values of the top guys are.  I think the VBD app had values maxed out in the $40 range, which seems low ($200 budget).  

If it's a $200 budget then do some

mocks on yahoo or ESPN to get some practice. It will at least give you a feel for where some players are going and how to build a team. 

 

[Mr.Pack]

The biggest thing is to make sure you're not using Joe's Secret Formula as the baseline. It's totally wrong for auctions. The VBD app with default settings looks like it's setting the QB baseline as 336 points, which makes top QBs worthless. 

FBG is all over the map in terms of how they calculate auction value in different tools. Frankly I'm not a big fan of any of their methods; they all require pretty extensive tweaking, in my book. But as a first-time auctioner you probably should avoid getting too subtle. You can use the "Fudge Factor" setting to steepen the cost curve, and you probably should do that. Try it out with 0.2 and see if that looks better.

1000% correct

 

[oukurt]

Interesting information here. I am currently drafting in a 12 team ppr league with a $500 budget. I decided to go balls to the wall and see what happens. This is a start 9 with 9 bench players league. I spent 95% of my budget on RB Peterson, RB Charles, WR Dez, TE Gronk, TE Reed (start 2 TE league). I am going QBBC with Tannehill and Fitzpatrick. I am going to be weak at WR2. I have my starting lineup filled and I have $13 to spend on remaining 9 bench spots. With most of my bench going to be filled with $1 players, I am curious to see who I get. Hoping to add some WR depth for my WR2 slot, another QB, and possibly a sleeper RB, I have some dark horses in mind to fill out the remaining 9 roster spots Also curious to see if this strategy was too aggressive.

 

[NYRAGE]

The biggest thing is to make sure you're not using Joe's Secret Formula as the baseline. It's totally wrong for auctions. The VBD app with default settings looks like it's setting the QB baseline as 336 points, which makes top QBs worthless. 

FBG is all over the map in terms of how they calculate auction value in different tools. Frankly I'm not a big fan of any of their methods; they all require pretty extensive tweaking, in my book. But as a first-time auctioner you probably should avoid getting too subtle. You can use the "Fudge Factor" setting to steepen the cost curve, and you probably should do that. Try it out with 0.2 and see if that looks better.

I'm not a big fan of their auction prices either.

 

[Slapdash]

Which prices do you guys like?

 

[oukurt]

I like these

http://fantasy.nfl.com/research/rankings?leagueId=0&statType=draftStats

 

[Scoresman]

I think the best way to come up with prices is to go back to previous year draft and use those.  Just match up the the players in order of salary last year with the similarly ranked players from this year.  You're incorporating your league's tendencies this way.  It's a bit of work though.  

Salaries from Yahoo, ESPN or wherever are pretty useless to me.  

 

[ThePassion]

I think the best way to come up with prices is to go back to previous year draft and use those.  Just match up the the players in order of salary last year with the similarly ranked players from this year.  You're incorporating your league's tendencies this way.  It's a bit of work though.  

Salaries from Yahoo, ESPN or wherever are pretty useless to me.  

Yes.... I basically referred to last year's results and then kept tweaking the fudge factor on the VBD until it seemed to align the values...... 

 

[dkp993]

I think the best way to come up with prices is to go back to previous year draft and use those.  Just match up the the players in order of salary last year with the similarly ranked players from this year.  You're incorporating your league's tendencies this way.  It's a bit of work though.  

Salaries from Yahoo, ESPN or wherever are pretty useless to me.  

Agreed.  I use a running 3yr average for each draft position.   Pretty amazing how accurate it is.   

 

[ThePassion]

Agreed.  I use a running 3yr average for each draft position.   Pretty amazing how accurate it is.   

Is there a secret way to export this out of CBS?  That'd be too easy!

 

[dkp993]

Is there a secret way to export this out of CBS?  That'd be too easy!

Not sure,  I don't use CBS.  I've just created my own excel spreadsheet.  

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Interesting information here. I am currently drafting in a 12 team ppr league with a $500 budget. I decided to go balls to the wall and see what happens. This is a start 9 with 9 bench players league. I spent 95% of my budget on RB Peterson, RB Charles, WR Dez, TE Gronk, TE Reed (start 2 TE league). I am going QBBC with Tannehill and Fitzpatrick. I am going to be weak at WR2. I have my starting lineup filled and I have $13 to spend on remaining 9 bench spots. With most of my bench going to be filled with $1 players, I am curious to see who I get. Hoping to add some WR depth for my WR2 slot, another QB, and possibly a sleeper RB, I have some dark horses in mind to fill out the remaining 9 roster spots Also curious to see if this strategy was too aggressive.

There is almost no such thing as "too aggressive" in a typical auction league. You got 5 studs, which I'm guessing is more than any other single team has, and whatever depth you're lacking should be easily filled either via the WW or by trading away one of the $1 RB fliers you hit on for an underperforming $20 WR after Week 3. Well done and best of luck to you.

 

[CalBear]

Which prices do you guys like?

I wound up rolling my own spreadsheet this year, using FBG scoring projections but building my own calculation. I set a point-based baseline for each position, use that to calculate VBD, and then do a "value over baseline" calculation (VBDC) with my own fudge factor (which turned out to be 1.0135^VBD-1). Prices are (Player VBDC / Total Remaining VBDC) * ( Total Remaining $$ )

In the end I'd like to build a statistical model that takes into account the fact that projections are not actually integers but probability curves, and run a Monte Carlo simulation. But maybe for next year. I'm pretty done with FBG's tools.

 

[Coach3K]

Yes.... I basically referred to last year's results and then kept tweaking the fudge factor on the VBD until it seemed to align the values...... 

I'm not missing something, am I?  These tweaking options aren't available in the new Desktop version, is it?  Just the classic?  I'm in an auction/keeper league, and we've never had someone go for more than $70 (out of $200) and it's valuing Julio at $96 and Gronk at almost $70.  I've done exactly what you said above in the past to get top end values closer to our league's...but I like the updated desktop version, so if there's a way to do that I'm missing, please let me know.

ETA:  There are position adjustments within the Ranking Profile section, but it doesn't seem quite the same.  I'll probably tweak this to see if I can get the top 20 to be close to previous years, but I'm guessing the other calcs are hidden, unlike the classic version.

Thanks!

 

[abbottjamesr]

In the end I'd like to build a statistical model that takes into account the fact that projections are not actually integers but probability curves, and run a Monte Carlo simulation. But maybe for next year. I'm pretty done with FBG's tools.

I played around with this idea a bit last year.  I didn't do detailed projections as probability curves but I did run some MC sims on weekly scoring looking at high variance players vs high floor players.  I do all my projections on a PPG basis and would like to to make my per game projections as probability curves.  You tend to hear that people prefer consitant guys in their line ups but I found you want a collection of high variance scorers to have the best weekly outcomes.  

I don't tend to look at season long projections that much as they are too skewed by injuries.  I draft to win the first 4 weeks of the season.  

 

[CalBear]

I played around with this idea a bit last year.  I didn't do detailed projections as probability curves but I did run some MC sims on weekly scoring looking at high variance players vs high floor players.  I do all my projections on a PPG basis and would like to to make my per game projections as probability curves.  You tend to hear that people prefer consitant guys in their line ups but I found you want a collection of high variance scorers to have the best weekly outcomes.  

I don't tend to look at season long projections that much as they are too skewed by injuries.  I draft to win the first 4 weeks of the season.  

Yeah, I think the right way to look at it is that most good players have a saddle curve for each week, with some probability of scoring zero due to injury, less probability of scoring a small number of points, and then a fat curve up depending on how good a player it is. You could build maybe four different curve shapes, for players coming off injury, rookies, aging vets, and mid-career, or something like that, and then simulate scores for each week. That should get you some data you can use to figure out optimal valuations.

 

[abbottjamesr]

Yeah, I think the right way to look at it is that most good players have a saddle curve for each week, with some probability of scoring zero due to injury, less probability of scoring a small number of points, and then a fat curve up depending on how good a player it is. You could build maybe four different curve shapes, for players coming off injury, rookies, aging vets, and mid-career, or something like that, and then simulate scores for each week. That should get you some data you can use to figure out optimal valuations.

I hadn't thought about having a set of four or five template curves to use.  That would make it much easier than trying to set a curve individually for each guy.  I may toy with this during the season this year.  Going to have to dust off the old statistics books.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think the best way to come up with prices is to go back to previous year draft and use those.  Just match up the the players in order of salary last year with the similarly ranked players from this year.  You're incorporating your league's tendencies this way.  It's a bit of work though.  

Salaries from Yahoo, ESPN or wherever are pretty useless to me.  

I'm going to try this.

 

[ThePassion]

Interesting information here. I am currently drafting in a 12 team ppr league with a $500 budget. I decided to go balls to the wall and see what happens. This is a start 9 with 9 bench players league. I spent 95% of my budget on RB Peterson, RB Charles, WR Dez, TE Gronk, TE Reed (start 2 TE league). I am going QBBC with Tannehill and Fitzpatrick. I am going to be weak at WR2. I have my starting lineup filled and I have $13 to spend on remaining 9 bench spots. With most of my bench going to be filled with $1 players, I am curious to see who I get. Hoping to add some WR depth for my WR2 slot, another QB, and possibly a sleeper RB, I have some dark horses in mind to fill out the remaining 9 roster spots Also curious to see if this strategy was too aggressive.

Curious who you landed with the last 9 bench spots.  

 

[roarlions]

Here are the results of a recently completed auction for a 16 team best ball league. 16 players per roster with auction budget of $250. Start 9 with QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/D/Flex(RB/WR/TE). PPR scoring with 0.5 for RB, 1.0 for WR, and 1.5 for TE.

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Team Name


Player Name


Player Price


Team 1


Amendola, Danny WR NEP


3


Anderson, C.J. RB DEN


43


Baldwin, Doug WR SEA


38


Chiefs, Kansas City Def KCC


9


Cruz, Victor WR NYG


1


Donnell, Larry TE NYG


1


Enunwa, Quincy WR NYJ


1


Funchess, Devin WR CAR


7


Graham, Jimmy TE SEA


11


Jackson, Vincent WR TBB


12


Luck, Andrew QB IND


42


Manning, Eli QB NYG


14


Peterson, Adrian RB MIN


54


Powell, Bilal RB NYJ


9


Sanu, Mohamed WR ATL


4


Spiller, C.J. RB NOS


1


Total Players = 16


250


Team 2


Abdullah, Ameer RB DET


16


Adams, Davante WR GBP


2


Barnidge, Gary TE CLE


15


Blount, LeGarrette RB NEP


5


Ertz, Zach TE PHI


18


Fuller, Will(R) WR HOU


3


Gabbert, Blaine QB SFO


2


Green, A.J. WR CIN


58


Hilton, T.Y. WR IND


51


Johnson, David RB ARI


71


Morris, Alfred RB DAL


3


Osweiler, Brock QB HOU


2


Raiders, Oakland Def OAK


1


Roberts, Seth WR OAK


1


Siemian, Trevor QB DEN


1


Starks, James RB GBP


1


Total Players = 16


250


Team 3


Allen, Dwayne TE IND


10


Austin, Tavon WR RAM


6


Benjamin, Kelvin WR CAR


25


Cousins, Kirk QB WAS


11


Crowell, Isaiah RB CLE


5


Diggs, Stefon WR MIN


17


Dixon, Kenneth(R) RB BAL


5


Ebron, Eric TE DET


4


Elliott, Ezekiel(R) RB DAL


52


Freeman, Devonta RB ATL


60


Henry, Derrick(R) RB TEN


10


Jets, New York Def NYJ


3


Romo, Tony QB DAL


7


Smith, Torrey WR SFO


10


Snead, Willie WR NOS


12


Texans, Houston Def HOU


7


Total Players = 16


244


Team 4


Booker, Devontae(R) RB DEN


2


Cutler, Jay QB CHI


3


Dolphins, Miami Def MIA


1


Eagles, Philadelphia Def PHI


2


Evans, Mike WR TBB


45


Ferguson, Josh(R) RB IND


1


James, Jesse TE PIT


1


Jeffery, Alshon WR CHI


48


Jones, James WR FA


1


Jones, Marvin WR DET


15


Jones, Matt RB WAS


21


Lynch, Paxton(R) QB DEN


1


Mitchell, Malcolm(R) WR NEP


1


Nelson, Jordy WR GBP


48


Rodgers, Aaron QB GBP


50


Tye, Will TE NYG


10


Total Players = 16


250


Team 5


Aiken, Kamar WR BAL


12


Artis-Payne, Cameron RB CAR


1


Bills, Buffalo Def BUF


4


Brees, Drew QB NOS


30


Britt, Kenny WR RAM


1


Cooks, Brandin WR NOS


49


Cooper, Amari WR OAK


49


Forsett, Justin RB BAL


16


Goff, Jared(R) QB RAM


1


Gurley, Todd RB RAM


67


Hardy, Justin WR ATL


1


Hillman, Ronnie RB DEN


2


Langford, Jeremy RB CHI


14


Pitta, Dennis TE BAL


1


Prosise, C.J.(R) RB SEA


1


Welker, Wes WR RAM


1


Total Players = 16


250


Team 6


Abbrederis, Jared WR GBP


1


Bernard, Giovani RB CIN


22


Garcon, Pierre WR WAS


3


Green-Beckham, Dorial WR TEN


3


Hopkins, DeAndre WR HOU


64


Lacy, Eddie RB GBP


49


Mathews, Ryan RB PHI


14


McFadden, Darren RB DAL


3


Palmer, Carson QB ARI


28


Rams, Los Angeles Def RAM


6


Reed, Jordan TE WAS


40


Watson, Ben TE BAL


1


West, Charcandrick RB KCC


2


Williams, Karlos RB BUF


1


Winston, Jameis QB TBB


12


Wright, Kendall WR TEN


1


Total Players = 16


250


Team 7


Boyd, Tyler(R) WR CIN


4


Carr, Derek QB OAK


7


Colts, Indianapolis Def IND


1


Crabtree, Michael WR OAK


23


Dalton, Andy QB CIN


6


Giants, New York Def NYG


1


Kearse, Jermaine WR SEA


1


LaFell, Brandon WR CIN


1


Martin, Doug RB TBB


47


Michael, Christine RB SEA


5


Murray, DeMarco RB TEN


30


Rawls, Thomas RB SEA


36


Robinson, Allen WR JAC


58


Seferian-Jenkins, Austin TE TBB


1


White, Kevin WR CHI


23


Witten, Jason TE DAL


6


Total Players = 16


250


Team 8


Agholor, Nelson WR PHI


2


Beckham, Odell WR NYG


79


Bridgewater, Teddy QB MIN


4


Bryant, Dez WR DAL


62


Green, Ladarius TE PIT


1


Griffin III, Robert QB CLE


5


Hogan, Chris WR NEP


3


Jaguars, Jacksonville Def JAC


3


Johnson, Chris RB ARI


5


Marshall, Keith(R) RB WAS


2


Miller, Lamar RB HOU


65


Pryor, Terrelle WR CLE


7


Rudolph, Kyle TE MIN


2


Smallwood, Wendell(R) RB PHI


2


Tannehill, Ryan QB MIA


3


Thompson, Chris RB WAS


3


Total Players = 16


248


Team 9


Coates, Sammie WR PIT


4


Cobb, Randall WR GBP


30


Coleman, Tevin RB ATL


6


Forte, Matt RB NYJ


35


Hightower, Tim RB NOS


2


Ingram, Mark RB NOS


47


Kelce, Travis TE KCC


28


Mariota, Marcus QB TEN


5


Miller, Zach TE CHI


6


Roethlisberger, Ben QB PIT


31


Sproles, Darren RB PHI


3


Strong, Jaelen WR HOU


3


Thomas, Demaryius WR DEN


40


Treadwell, Laquon(R) WR MIN


3


Vikings, Minnesota Def MIN


4


Woods, Robert WR BUF


3


Total Players = 16


250


Team 10


Beasley, Cole WR DAL


1


Bell, Le'Veon RB PIT


42


Bush, Reggie RB SFO


1


Coleman, Corey(R) WR CLE


16


Cook, Jared TE GBP


1


Gore, Frank RB IND


13


Gronkowski, Rob TE NEP


70


Keenum, Case QB RAM


1


Matthews, Rishard WR TEN


4


McCoy, LeSean RB BUF


46


Parker, DeVante WR MIA


15


Patriots, New England Def NEP


3


Smith, Steve WR BAL


7


Stafford, Matthew QB DET


6


Wheaton, Markus WR PIT


3


Williams, DeAngelo RB PIT


21


Total Players = 16


250


Team 11


Bengals, Cincinnati Def CIN


2


Edelman, Julian WR NEP


26


Flacco, Joe QB BAL


3


Ginn Jr., Ted WR CAR


5


Marshall, Brandon WR NYJ


56


McDonald, Vance TE SFO


5


Moncrief, Donte WR IND


28


Murray, Latavius RB OAK


39


Packers, Green Bay Def GBP


2


Sharpe, Tajae(R) WR TEN


6


Stewart, Jonathan RB CAR


20


Taylor, Tyrod QB BUF


9


Wallace, Mike WR BAL


5


Washington, DeAndre(R) RB OAK


5


Watkins, Sammy WR BUF


38


White, James RB NEP


1


Total Players = 16


250


Team 12


Benjamin, Travis WR SDC


6


Cameron, Jordan TE MIA


2


Decker, Eric WR NYJ


27


Eifert, Tyler TE CIN


18


Ellington, Andre RB ARI


1


Garoppolo, Jimmy QB NEP


2


Hurns, Allen WR JAC


22


Hyde, Carlos RB SFO


33


Johnson, Duke RB CLE


30


Lewis, Dion RB NEP


30


Olsen, Greg TE CAR


32


Perkins, Paul(R) RB NYG


3


Ravens, Baltimore Def BAL


1


Vereen, Shane RB NYG


2


Williams, Terrance WR DAL


2


Wilson, Russell QB SEA


39


Total Players = 16


250


Team 13


Allen, Javorius RB BAL


2


Boldin, Anquan WR FA*


3


Ellington, Bruce WR SFO


5


Fitzpatrick, Ryan QB NYJ


4


Gates, Antonio TE SDC


11


Hill, Jeremy RB CIN


18


Lockett, Tyler WR SEA


27


Matthews, Jordan WR PHI


26


McKinnon, Jerick RB MIN


8


Newton, Cam QB CAR


55


Panthers, Carolina Def CAR


5


Riddick, Theo RB DET


19


Sanders, Emmanuel WR DEN


20


Thomas, Julius TE JAC


10


Thomas, Michael(R) WR NOS


16


Woodhead, Danny RB SDC


21


Total Players = 16


250


Team 14


Ajayi, Jay RB MIA


10


Bortles, Blake QB JAC


18


Bradford, Sam QB PHI


2


Brate, Cameron TE TBB


1


Brown, Antonio WR PIT


80


Buccaneers, Tampa Bay Def TBB


1


Cunningham, Benny RB RAM


1


Fitzgerald, Larry WR ARI


22


Fleener, Coby TE NOS


25


Foster, Arian RB FA*


17


Gordon, Josh WR CLE


11


Howard, Jordan(R) RB CHI


4


Maclin, Jeremy WR KCC


36


Shepard, Sterling(R) WR NYG


11


Steelers, Pittsburgh Def PIT


2


Yeldon, T.J. RB JAC


9


Total Players = 16


250


Team 15


Bennett, Martellus TE NEP


25


Brady, Tom QB NEP


31


Brown, John WR ARI


23


Cardinals, Arizona Def ARI


9


Carey, Ka'Deem RB CHI


1


Charles, Jamaal RB KCC


65


Doctson, Josh(R) WR WAS


1


Dorsett, Phillip WR IND


3


Draughn, Shaun RB SFO


1


Higbee, Tyler(R) TE RAM


1


Ivory, Chris RB JAC


6


Jones, Julio WR ATL


75


Oliver, Branden RB SDC


1


Sanchez, Mark QB DEN


1


Walford, Clive TE OAK


2


Ware, Spencer RB KCC


5


Total Players = 16


250


Team 16


Allen, Keenan WR SDC


46


Broncos, Denver Def DEN


6


Clay, Charles TE BUF


1


Floyd, Michael WR ARI


24


Gordon, Melvin RB SDC


18


Jackson, DeSean WR WAS


14


Jennings, Rashad RB NYG


13


Landry, Jarvis WR MIA


36


Rivers, Philip QB SDC


19


Ryan, Matt QB ATL


5


Seahawks, Seattle Def SEA


7


Sims, Charles RB TBB


8


Smith, Alex QB KCC


4


Tate, Golden WR DET


22


Walker, Delanie TE TEN


21


West, Terrance RB BAL


1


Total Players = 16


245

 

[ThePassion]

I'm not missing something, am I?  These tweaking options aren't available in the new Desktop version, is it?  Just the classic?  I'm in an auction/keeper league, and we've never had someone go for more than $70 (out of $200) and it's valuing Julio at $96 and Gronk at almost $70.  I've done exactly what you said above in the past to get top end values closer to our league's...but I like the updated desktop version, so if there's a way to do that I'm missing, please let me know.

ETA:  There are position adjustments within the Ranking Profile section, but it doesn't seem quite the same.  I'll probably tweak this to see if I can get the top 20 to be close to previous years, but I'm guessing the other calcs are hidden, unlike the classic version.

Thanks!

I was using the VBD excel spreadsheet to do that, not the DD.

 

[CalBear]

I'm not missing something, am I?  These tweaking options aren't available in the new Desktop version, is it?  Just the classic?  I'm in an auction/keeper league, and we've never had someone go for more than $70 (out of $200) and it's valuing Julio at $96 and Gronk at almost $70.  I've done exactly what you said above in the past to get top end values closer to our league's...but I like the updated desktop version, so if there's a way to do that I'm missing, please let me know.

ETA:  There are position adjustments within the Ranking Profile section, but it doesn't seem quite the same.  I'll probably tweak this to see if I can get the top 20 to be close to previous years, but I'm guessing the other calcs are hidden, unlike the classic version.

Thanks!

I think the new DD is useless for auctions. You'd be better off with an ESPN AAV cheatsheet.

 

[Hawkeye21]

Here is what the top 30 RBs went for in my draft.  Remember, it was $100 for the first 10 rounds only.  The highlighted players are the guys I bought.


Todd Gurley


30


Adrian Peterson


26


David Johnson


25


Lamar Miller


25


Ezekiel Elliott


23


Le'Veon Bell


23


Devonta Freeman


22


Jamaal Charles


22


Eddie Lacy


20


Mark Ingram


19


C.J. Anderson


16


DeMarco Murray


16


Doug Martin


16


LeSean McCoy


16


Carlos Hyde


13


Dion Lewis


12


Matt Forte


12


Frank Gore


9


Thomas Rawls


9


Duke Johnson


7


Jonathan Stewart


7


Danny Woodhead


6


Latavius Murray


5


Melvin Gordon


5


Ryan Matthews


5


Matt Jones


4


DeAngelo Williams


3


Giovani Bernard


3


Jeremy Hill


3


Ameer Abdullah


2

 

[Hawkeye21]

Here are the top 30 WRs taken.  Once again my guys are highlighted. I actually had Shepard for $2 but since I had money left over and he was my last pick it all went towards him.  Chalk that up to drinking all day long.  Still happy overall with my guys.


Antonio Brown


30


Julio Jones


28


Odell Beckham Jr.


28


Dez Bryant


24


A.J. Green


23


DeAndre Hopkins


23


Allen Robinson


21


Brandon Marshall


21


Brandin Cooks


20


Jordy Nelson


20


Alshon Jeffery


19


Julian Edelman


19


Keenan Allen


19


Amari Cooper


18


Mike Evans


18


Sammy Watkins


16


Kevin White


15


Demaryius Thomas


14


Randall Cobb


14


T.Y Hilton


14


Jarvis Landry


12


Kelvin Benjamin


12


Golden Tate


10


Eric Decker


8


Michael Crabtree


8


Sterling Shepard


8


Doug Balwin


7


Larry Fitzgerald


7


Michael Floyd


7


Steve Smith


7

 

[CalBear]

WR's look pretty studly, but unless you can start four I would have spent the $18 on Evans plus the $9 on Rawls for a real RB.

 

[Hawkeye21]

WR's look pretty studly, but unless you can start four I would have spent the $18 on Evans plus the $9 on Rawls for a real RB.

We start 2 RBs and 3 WRs with a Flex so I will start 4 WRs.  My starters will be AJG, Jordy, Evans and then DT as my Flex.  I like that.

As you can see I was right about the prices.  Guys in my league just don't like spending over that $30 mark.  My price projections were spot on.

 

[ex-ghost]

My 12 team auction league, $300 and non ppr. Start qrrwwtdk. 16 players max. 

Top 5 Rb go $90-100

Top 5 Wr go $70-80

Gronk goes for $40-50

 

[CalBear]

We start 2 RBs and 3 WRs with a Flex so I will start 4 WRs.  My starters will be AJG, Jordy, Evans and then DT as my Flex.  I like that.

As you can see I was right about the prices.  Guys in my league just don't like spending over that $30 mark.  My price projections were spot on.

Sure, but the point of calculating auction prices is to figure out what you should be spending, not what other people are going to spend. Even ditching that $8 you spent on Shepard could have gotten you into CJ Anderson or Doug Martin. I never want to leave an auction without at least one true #1 player at RB and WR.

 

[Payne]

 

[ldizzle]

Sure, but the point of calculating auction prices is to figure out what you should be spending, not what other people are going to spend. Even ditching that $8 you spent on Shepard could have gotten you into CJ Anderson or Doug Martin. I never want to leave an auction without at least one true #1 player at RB and WR.

Well knowing what other people might spend allows you to find value in the draft. 

 

[abbottjamesr]

I put your scoring into my Auction price calculator with my projections and have the following values for the top 30 RB's.  I am notably higher on Miller than most the world apparently.  Otherwise I think think this lines up well with your results.  I would have ended up with Miller, McCoy and Mathews most likely in your draft.


RB1


Lamar Miller (HOU)


25


RB2


Todd Gurley (LA)


21


RB3


Jamaal Charles (KC)


21


RB4


LeVeon Bell (PIT)


21


RB5


Devonta Freeman (ATL)


20


RB6


Adrian Peterson (MIN)


20


RB7


David Johnson (ARZ)


20


RB8


LeSean McCoy (Bills)


19


RB9


Z. Elliot (DAL)


19


RB10


Mark Ingram (NO)


17


RB11


Doug Martin (TB)


16


RB12


Matt Forte (NYJ)


15


RB13


Eddie Lacy (GB)


14


RB14


Ryan Mathews (PHI)


13


RB15


C.J. Anderson (DEN)


13


RB16


Carlos Hyde (SF)


12


RB17


Latavius Murray (OAK)


11


RB18


Jonathan Stewart (Car)


11


RB19


Thomas Rawls (SEA)


11


RB20


Justin Forsett (Bal)


10


RB21


Jeremy Langford (CHI)


10


RB22


Frank Gore (IND)


10


RB23


Theo Riddick (DET)


9


RB24


DeMarco Murray (TEN)


9


RB25


Isaiah Crowell (CLE)


8


RB26


Giovani Bernard (CIN)


8


RB27


Danny Woodhead (SD)


7


RB28


Arian Foster (MIA)


7


RB29


Melvin Gordon (SD)


6


RB30


Rashad Jennings (NYG)


5

 

[CalBear]

Well knowing what other people might spend allows you to find value in the draft. 

Only if you know what the real value of players is. Both pieces of information (projected value/expected cost) are useful, but expected cost alone doesn't tell you anything about value. 

 

[abbottjamesr]

I put your scoring into my Auction price calculator with my projections and have the following values for the top 30 WR's.  This lines up pretty well with your results.  I would have ended up with Marshall, Allen, and Fitzgerald and Jones as my WR's looking at the numbers.


WR1


Julio Jones (ATL_1)


29


WR2


Antonio Brown (PIT_1)


28


WR3


Odell Beckham Jr (NYG_1)


27


WR4


A.J. Green (CIN_1)


23


WR5


Brandon Marshall (NYJ_1)


22


WR6


Dez Bryant (DAL_1)


22


WR7


Keenan Allen (SD_1)


22


WR8


DeAndre Hopkins (HOU_1)


21


WR9


Allen Robinson (JAX_1A)


20


WR10


Mike Evans (TB_1)


18


WR11


Demaryius Thomas (DEN_1)


17


WR12


Alshon Jeffery (CHI_1)


17


WR13


Sammy Watkins (BUF_1)


17


WR14


A. Cooper (OAK_1)


16


WR15


Larry Fitzgerald (ARZ_1A)


16


WR16


Jeremy Maclin (KC_1)


15


WR17


Brandin Cooks (NO_1)


15


WR18


Jordy Nelson (GB_1)


15


WR19


T.Y. Hilton (IND_1)


14


WR20


Randall Cobb (GB_2)


13


WR21


Jarvis Landry (MIA_1)


13


WR22


Eric Decker (NYJ_2)


13


WR23


Marvin Jones (DET_1B)


12


WR24


Doug Baldwin (SEA_1)


12


WR25


Julian Edelman (NE_1)


11


WR26


Michael Floyd (ARZ_3)


10


WR27


Michael Crabtree (OAK_2)


10


WR28


Donte Moncrief (IND_2)


10


WR29


Kelvin Benjamin (CAR_1)


9


WR30


John Brown (ARZ_2)


9

 

[ldizzle]

Only if you know what the real value of players is. Both pieces of information (projected value/expected cost) are useful, but expected cost alone doesn't tell you anything about value. 

I agree

 

[Hawkeye21]

Sure, but the point of calculating auction prices is to figure out what you should be spending, not what other people are going to spend. Even ditching that $8 you spent on Shepard could have gotten you into CJ Anderson or Doug Martin. I never want to leave an auction without at least one true #1 player at RB and WR.

I agree somewhat.  I still think it's important to know what each player is most likely to go for.  I didn't want CJ Anderson or Doug Martin, if I did I would have spent on them.  I should have spent on two of the top five guys like I originally planned but couldn't get past my mental block of spending more than what I had a player valued.  Overall it really didn't make too big of an impact on my team since I grabbed a lot of guys that I liked.  It just so happened that a lot of those guys went for less that expected.  Towards the end of the draft I was able to get guys I wanted and kept on having money left over.  Main regret I have is taking Jordy and not getting AB, Jones or OBJ.

 

[ThePassion]

For those trying to land as many studs as possible and then fill out the remainder of the squad with $1 guys.  How are you attacking the auction in terms of nominating players?

Are you trying to land $1 guys really early on?  Or are you trying to lock up your studs first.