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2016 - Hillary Clinton vs Jeb Bush (1 Viewer)

who are you voting for?

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 103 60.6%
  • Jeb Bush

    Votes: 67 39.4%

  • Total voters
    170
Jeb came out today and said that he is indeed exploring a run.

Unbelievable, this may truly drive me to a 3rd party if these are the final nominees.

Democrats, Republicans, please get your sht together and come up with someone new.
I don't care if you vote Constitution Party, Green, Libertarian, Taxpayer, Reform, Centrist, Rent is too Damn High, None of the Above, or whatever two bit third party there is. You are far better voting for someone other than a Dem or a Republican.

 
“Jeb is a very good moderate Democrat,” said popular talk radio host Mark Levin in an article in the conservative Washington Examiner headlined 'Conservative leaders gang up to block Jeb Bush, say he opposes Reaganism.' “He's very boring. He doesn't elicit excitement and energy outside a very small circle of wealthy corporatists and GOP Beltway operatives. Time to move on.”
Why Republicans won't want Jeb Bush.

 
“Jeb is a very good moderate Democrat,” said popular talk radio host Mark Levin in an article in the conservative Washington Examiner headlined 'Conservative leaders gang up to block Jeb Bush, say he opposes Reaganism.' “He's very boring. He doesn't elicit excitement and energy outside a very small circle of wealthy corporatists and GOP Beltway operatives. Time to move on.”
Why Republicans won't want Jeb Bush.
Yeah but Mark Levin hated Romney and McCain as well.

 
Republican nominees for President in the modern era (post World War II):

1948 Dewey

1952 Eisenhower

1956 Eisenhower

1960 Nixon

1964 Goldwater

1968 Nixon

1972 Nixon

1976 Ford

1980 Reagan

1984 Reagan

1988 Bush

1992 Bush

1996 Dole

2000 Bush

2004 Bush

2008 McCain

2012 Romney

It must be astonishing and frustrating to conservatives like Mark Levin that only 2 of these guys can really be considered conservative- Goldwater and Reagan. The rest were centrist and moderate.

 
Is Jeb Bush Too Liberal To Win The Republican Nomination In 2016? By Nate Silver

On Tuesday, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush announced that he will “actively explore” a bid for the White House. While Bush has not yet formed a presidential exploratory committee, he’s “running” for president by any practical definition of the term. If he proves to perform poorly in the “invisible primary,” failing to gather support among donors and influential Republicans, he could withdraw later on, before the first votes are cast in Iowa.

What might those influential Republicans think of Bush? He has sometimes been critical of his fellow Republicans, having questioned the GOP’s partisanship and lack of tolerance for dissenting viewpoints. He has also staked out moderate policy positions on some issues, particularly immigration and education reform.

But is Bush in the mold of Jon Huntsman and Rudy Giuliani — candidates who generated lots of buzz among the East Coast media elite but proved too moderate for the Republican base? Or is he more like the past two Republican nominees, Mitt Romney and John McCain, who also were accused of being too moderate but won their party’s nomination?

The short answer: We’ll see, and we’ll want to watch for news of Republicans who endorse Bush’s candidacy or criticize it. But he’s probably more like Romney or McCain than like Huntsman or Giuliani.

Last year, we constructed ideological scores for a set of plausible 2016 Republican candidates based on a combination of three statistical indices: DW-Nominate scores (which are based on a candidate’s voting record in Congress), CFscores (based on who donates to a candidate) and OnTheIssues.org scores (based on public statements made by the candidate). None of these methods is perfect — they disagree on how to classify the libertarian-leaning Republican Rand Paul, for example — but they give us some empirical basis to make comparisons. The closer a candidate’s score is to zero under this method, the more moderate he is. And the closer he is to 100, the more conservative. (Liberal candidates would be listed with negative scores.) Here’s how Bush compares:

CHART MAPPING HOW CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES ARE

Bush scores at a 37 on this scale, similar to Romney and McCain, each of whom scored a 39. He’s much more conservative than Huntsman, who rates at a 17.

Still, Bush is more like his father, George H.W. Bush, who rates as a 33, than his brother George W. Bush, who scores a 46. And the Republican Party has moved to the right since both Poppy and Dubya were elected. The average Republican member in the 2013-14 Congress rated a 51 on this scale, more in line with potential candidates Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan and Mike Huckabee.

So as a rough cut, Bush is not especially moderate by the standard of recent GOP nominees. But the gap has nevertheless widened between Bush and the rest of his party.

On the two issues where he has most outspokenly deviated from his party, immigration and education, his policy positions are not far removed from those Republican voters declare in polls. But these issues may also take on symbolic significance beyond their immediate policy implications, signaling to Republican voters that a candidate is too moderate or too much a part of the establishment. Earlier this year, my colleague Harry Enten found Republican senators who have adopted Bush’s moderate stance on immigration have been especially likely to receive primary challenges.

And Bush has been more like Hunstman than Romney in explicitly critiquing the direction of his party. That may appeal to general-election voters, but it probably isn’t helpful to him in a Republican primary.

Still, parties have shown some historical tendency to nominate successively more moderate candidates the longer they’ve been out of the White House. That could help Bush. While he’s somewhat to the left of the average Republican politician, there’s also less competition on that side of the GOP spectrum; most Republican senators and governors first elected during the past several election cycles have been quite conservative.

That’s not to say he has the field all to himself. Romney has sometimes been considered a 2016 candidate. So has New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (who rates as being far more moderate than Bush on our scale). New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez has less of a national profile, but also overlaps ideologically with Bush.

Perhaps more important is the relatively early date of Bush’s announcement. If he builds an early advantage in the “invisible primary,” he could deter some of these candidates from running and make it harder for them to gain momentum if they do. The early announcement will also give Bush more time to calibrate his positions while under comparatively little scrutiny.

There will almost certainly be some credible candidates to Bush’s right, like Ryan or Rubio or Bobby Jindal or Scott Walker. Roughly 31 percent of Republican primary voters describe themselves as moderate or liberal, potentially enough to leave Bush as one of two or three remaining viable nominees after the first few states vote in 2016. That’s when he’d have to do his best campaigning — by pivoting to his right, or by convincing Republicans that his electability outweighs ideological purity. Bush may face more vigorous competition on his right in 2016 than Romney did in the likes of former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and then-Texas Gov. Rick Perry in 2012. And to the extent that Republican voters have shifted slightly further to the right over the past four to eight years, that could make his task harder at the margins.

Betting markets put Bush’s chances of winning the Republican nomination at 20 percent to 25 percent, which seems as reasonable an estimate as any. You can get there by assuming there’s a 50 percent chance that he survives the “invisible primary” and the early-voting states intact and a 40 percent to 50 percent chance that he wins the nomination if he does. It’s a strategy that worked well enough for McCain and Romney.
 
How much has Hillary Clinton dominated the polls looking ahead to the 2016 presidential race?

Her 49-point lead in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll is the worst she’s done in that series of polls in 2014, having dropped 10 points over four different polls.

The poll, which was conducted among a random national sample of 1,000 adults with a 3.5-point margin of error, has 63 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents opting for Clinton, while 14 percent give their support to Vice President Joe Biden. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who has said she isn’t running, gets 11 percent.

On the Republican side, Mitt Romney is the preferred choice in a crowded field, getting 20 percent, followed by former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (10 percent).

Sen. Rand Paul (9 percent), Rep. Paul Ryan (8 percent) and Sen. Ted Cruz (7 percent) round out the top five.

Bush is the biggest benefactor if Romney doesn’t run, jumping up to 15 percent support, followed by Paul (11 percent), Ryan (11 percent), New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (8 percent) and Cruz (8 percent).
 
Well the headline there is Hillary has already dropped 10 points. -Question: is there a reason we almost never hear of Demo governors who might run? Any good ones we wish would run?

 
3rd party if this is the case. We deserve whatever we get if either party presents one of these candidates.

 
Jeb gets mom's endorsement.

Like I said 6 years ago...

cstu said:
I do think Jeb runs, but it won't be until 2016. He knows very well that the Bush name is mud right now and it's going to be awhile before people are ready to vote for another Bush.

I believe it will be another Bush/Clinton matchup in 2016.
:bowtie:

 
It must be astonishing and frustrating to conservatives like Mark Levin that only 2 of these guys can really be considered conservative- Goldwater and Reagan. The rest were centrist and moderate.
“This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety ... While we recognize that assault-weapon legislation will not stop all assault-weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a May 3, 1994 letter to the U.S. House of Representatives, which was also signed by Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.

As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.
During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.”
Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.
Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency.
I don't know what your definition of conservative is, but this guy would be considered a communist by the GOP today.

 
“Jeb is a very good moderate Democrat,” said popular talk radio host Mark Levin in an article in the conservative Washington Examiner headlined 'Conservative leaders gang up to block Jeb Bush, say he opposes Reaganism.' “He's very boring. He doesn't elicit excitement and energy outside a very small circle of wealthy corporatists and GOP Beltway operatives. Time to move on.”
Why Republicans won't want Jeb Bush.
Yeah but Mark Levin hated Romney and McCain as well.
Mark Levine is a miserable cretin. He hates everyone except his dog and Ronald Reagan.

 
Republican nominees for President in the modern era (post World War II):

1948 Dewey

1952 Eisenhower

1956 Eisenhower

1960 Nixon

1964 Goldwater

1968 Nixon

1972 Nixon

1976 Ford

1980 Reagan

1984 Reagan

1988 Bush

1992 Bush

1996 Dole

2000 Bush

2004 Bush

2008 McCain

2012 Romney

It must be astonishing and frustrating to conservatives like Mark Levin that only 2 of these guys can really be considered conservative- Goldwater and Reagan. The rest were centrist and moderate.
Reagan was also a fake conservative.

 

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