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2016 NBA Draft - The place where Kings' fans dreams are crushed. (1 Viewer)

Abraham said:
1. SPeaking of the kings, what is the best case scenario for them?  Their interior is not terrible.  Rudy is a free agent, right? As is Rondo.  It feels like if Murray drops that would be great for them.  Sabonis maybe since he can work away from Cousins.  
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Rudy has another year plus a player option following that. the Kings would like to move him if they can get something useful back, but I don't think they'd straight dump him. Otherwise, the front court is solid with Casspi, Cauley Stein, Koufos and Cousins. They desperately need guards and more shooting. Collison is their only above replacement level player in the backcourt. Brown could not possibly be a worse fit as a ball dominant wing who can't shoot. 

 
thecatch said:
Rudy has another year plus a player option following that. the Kings would like to move him if they can get something useful back, but I don't think they'd straight dump him. Otherwise, the front court is solid with Casspi, Cauley Stein, Koufos and Cousins. They desperately need guards and more shooting. Collison is their only above replacement level player in the backcourt. Brown could not possibly be a worse fit as a ball dominant wing who can't shoot. 
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Sorry McLemore didn't work out better for y'all.  Turns out being the only kid on a team with four senior starters hides a lot of weaknesses.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Sorry McLemore didn't work out better for y'all.  Turns out being the only kid on a team with four senior starters hides a lot of weaknesses.
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Yeah, he's one of those guys that is easy to get excited about - smooth looking stroke, crazy athleticism, hard worker, 19 or 20 years old when drafted - until you realize he can't dribble, the shot doesn't actually go in very often, and his bball IQ is super low. 

 
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thecatch said:
Yeah, he's one of those guys that it's easy to get excited about - smooth looking stroke, crazy athleticism, hard worker, 19 or 20 years old when drafted - until you realize he can't dribble, the shot doesn't actually go in very often, and his bball IQ is super low. 
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I still think he can play.

Of course I also thought the iPad was dumb.

 
thecatch said:
Yeah, he's one of those guys that is easy to get excited about - smooth looking stroke, crazy athleticism, hard worker, 19 or 20 years old when drafted - until you realize he can't dribble, the shot doesn't actually go in very often, and his bball IQ is super low. 
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KU did an excellent job hiding the no-dribbling thing.  Was able to pick up Wiggins couldn't dribble with the left hand, but missed the Beginner Level dribbling on McLemore.  

 
ATL could start the rebuild pretty quick this year. Have 12 and 21. Let Horford walk. Send Millsap to Toronto for the 9, Wright + parts.

DO IT

 
Cliff Clavin said:
ATL could start the rebuild pretty quick this year. Have 12 and 21. Let Horford walk. Send Millsap to Toronto for the 9, Wright + parts.

DO IT
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Sounds like Atlanta is trying to move both of their picks.

" Marc Stein of ESPN is reporting that the Hawks will now try to trade their two first-rounders to make re-signing Al Horford easier. "

 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Sounds like Atlanta is trying to move both of their picks.

" Marc Stein of ESPN is reporting that the Hawks will now try to trade their two first-rounders to make re-signing Al Horford easier. "
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Time for them to move on IMO. That core isn't getting any better. Sell the pieces while they can.

 
Eephus said:
It should be enough to get Utah into the playoffs which matters for a team that hasn't been there in a while.  Exum and Hill seem like they can coexist.

Of course a lot depends on who's there at #12 but it's not a deep draft and a late lottery pick won't be as valuable as Hill in the short-term.

ETA:  it was a nice run Atlanta
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Honestly, I kind of like the fit in Utah. Hayward likes the ball in his hands so having a PG that can play some good D and play off ball is an asset, plus like you said he could play with Exum as well. I just don't think that trading for a 30 year old PG with one year left on his deal is a good move for a young team. The oldest core player for Utah is Hayward who just turned 26. It seems like more of a baseball or hockey trade where you give up young assets for a short term rental.

 
Bender to the Nuggets is an interesting projection since they already have such a collection of young bigs. If they do draft front court I think they have to figure out a way to move Faried.

I don't think Bender will be there at 7 though. 

 
Its sounding like Denver is very actively looking to trade Faried, with the Wolves as a likely suitor. He comes with what will be a very reasonable contract going forward (3 years and 39 million) and is still 26 years old. If somebody could teach him to move his feet defensively on the perimeter, its Thibs. That would make him a much better version of Tristan Thompson and a very good fit with Towns,  Wiggins, and especially Rubio.

 
Kev4029 said:
Its sounding like Denver is very actively looking to trade Faried, with the Wolves as a likely suitor. He comes with what will be a very reasonable contract going forward (3 years and 39 million) and is still 26 years old. If somebody could teach him to move his feet defensively on the perimeter, its Thibs. That would make him a much better version of Tristan Thompson and a very good fit with Towns,  Wiggins, and especially Rubio.
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What do we have to give?  Shabazz Muhammad?

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
Bender to the Nuggets is an interesting projection since they already have such a collection of young bigs. If they do draft front court I think they have to figure out a way to move Faried.

I don't think Bender will be there at 7 though. 
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If Chriss is as popular among teams at it seems though the media, I would be surprised if Bender wasn't there at 7. He seems like a really intriguing fit next to Jokic and Nurkic. I'm kind of hoping they don't re-sign Arthur as he is only going to be taking minutes away from the young guys.

 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
What do we have to give?  Shabazz Muhammad?
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I don't know, maybe Faried, 15 and 19 for the 5th pick and Pekovic (just to dump his salary)? I really have no idea how to judge the trade value of Denver's players.  :shrug:

ETA: If Hill is worth the 12th pick, I have no idea how NBA teams are valuing this year's draft picks. Obviously Utah isn't high on anybody outside of the top 8, because any of the players valued from 9-20 could be there at 12.

 
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Bulls are trading Rose, Justin Holiday, and a 2017 2nd rounder to NY for Lopez, Calderon and Jerian Grant. I kind of like this for both teams. Rose has a 90% chance of being a bust for the Knicks but there is a small chance he could bounce back an be a top 10 PG again. The Knicks were going to suck next year anyway, and I doubt players are tripping over themselves to play with Melo, Zinger and a bunch of trash, so they get a one year tryout with Rose. For the Bulls, they get a Noah replacement and get out of Rose's shadow.

 
Kev4029 said:
I don't know, maybe Faried, 15 and 19 for the 5th pick and Pekovic (just to dump his salary)? I really have no idea how to judge the trade value of Denver's players.  :shrug:

ETA: If Hill is worth the 12th pick, I have no idea how NBA teams are valuing this year's draft picks. Obviously Utah isn't high on anybody outside of the top 8, because any of the players valued from 9-20 could be there at 12.
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HARD PASS

 
GOB said:
You forgot "gym rat" and "high basketball IQ" 
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When a guy's dad is "best passing big man ever" it's probably not racist to say he has a high bball IQ

ETA . . . or to want him on the Celts

 
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Kev4029 said:
Its sounding like Denver is very actively looking to trade Faried, with the Wolves as a likely suitor. He comes with what will be a very reasonable contract going forward (3 years and 39 million) and is still 26 years old. If somebody could teach him to move his feet defensively on the perimeter, its Thibs. That would make him a much better version of Tristan Thompson and a very good fit with Towns,  Wiggins, and especially Rubio.
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I think Min ideally needs a stretch-y 4, with Wiggins not having much of a perimeter game yet and Towns in the middle.

Thompson is also an incredible PNR defender, what he did in the Finals wasn't a fluke. Faried is not.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
I think Min ideally needs a stretch-y 4, with Wiggins not having much of a perimeter game yet and Towns in the middle.

Thompson is also an incredible PNR defender, what he did in the Finals wasn't a fluke. Faried is not.
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I don't disagree with either point. I think that Faried could be a great pick and roll defender if somebody coaches him up and he puts in the work. He's a very good athlete who should be a much better defender than he is. 

I won't be sad if they get rid of Faried and get something decent in return.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Just remember Knick fans, you don't have the #9 pick because Bargnani!!!! :lmao:
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There isn't a single Knicks fan who thought the trade was anything but a disaster at the time, but this amounting to "only" the 9th pick felt like a huge win after dreading how this would end up for 3 years. 

 
Happy draft day!

Looks like Sixers offered Okafor for #3.

I don't who is less happy about that potential trade. Boston or Philly fans.

 
GOB said:
Happy draft day!

Looks like Sixers offered Okafor for #3.

I don't who is less happy about that potential trade. Boston or Philly fans.
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Sounds like the Sixers offered Okafor or Noel for the #3, I think the Celtics will pull the trigger once Philly blinks and offers Embiid.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Sounds like the Sixers offered Okafor or Noel for the #3, I think the Celtics will pull the trigger once Philly blinks and offers Embiid.
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I don't think that's going to happen for a number of reasons.

Trading for Embiid is a risk and potentially career suicide, imo.

Is that being reported? 

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Sounds like the Sixers offered Okafor or Noel for the #3, I think the Celtics will pull the trigger once Philly blinks and offers Embiid.
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Embiid while intriguing makes me nervous...that is a serious injury history...it feels like Okafor and Noel are the chicks in the bar after midnight...the C's are seeing what else is out there (talk radio should be fantastic today) and if  they can't score something else they may just go home with one of those two...they both fill a need and if you get them you still have two more years of Nets picks which still puts them in a great position for whatever star becomes available...

If they keep this pick they really could go in many different directions...Dunn maybe the best player available and probably has the most trade value (or allows them to deal one or two of their current Guards)...Murray and Buddy provide scoring which they need...Bender and Chriss are bigs (which they need) with intriguing upside and Brown seems like the x-factor they seem to like a lot...

 
is embid ever going to play and even if he does is he just going to be like that cleveland iguana zilagowskus guy where foot problems ruined his career anyhow all i am sayin is we dont need another iguana out there take that to the bank bromigos 

 
I don't think there is any chance Embiid gets traded.  His potential is so great the only reason for Philly to trade him is if they don't trust his foot. If Colangelo is willing to move him that should be a huge red flag for the Celtics.

 
GOB said:
I don't think that's going to happen for a number of reasons.

Trading for Embiid is a risk and potentially career suicide, imo.

Is that being reported? 
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It was mostly a lighthearted post but I don't see Danny trading for Okafor or Noel.  I think if that is the best they can do for the pick they will just draft Dunn or Brown.  I would personally pull the trigger on Okafor but not sure the Celtics brass will.

 
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA  13m13 minutes ago

Sources: Charlotte's offering No. 22 - if team will take contract of Spencer Hawes or Jeremy Lamb. Hornets need space to re-sign free agents
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Lamb seems too easy. His deal is done after this year. Seems like many teams would jump at that.

 
Tom Hagen said:
I don't think there is any chance Embiid gets traded.  His potential is so great the only reason for Philly to trade him is if they don't trust his foot. If Colangelo is willing to move him that should be a huge red flag for the Celtics.
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Agree 100%...

 
RUSF18 said:
Lamb seems too easy. His deal is done after this year. Seems like many teams would jump at that.
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There is going to be so much money this offseason that I'd be surprised if one of the bottom dwellers don't take them up on that. I'd rather have Hawes at a very reasonable salary plus a first rounder than dropping $10 million a year on Roy Hibbert or something.

 
Kev4029 said:
There is going to be so much money this offseason that I'd be surprised if one of the bottom dwellers don't take them up on that. I'd rather have Hawes at a very reasonable salary plus a first rounder than dropping $10 million a year on Roy Hibbert or something.
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I don't know how the Knicks or Nets wouldn't do it. Hawes has another year left on his deal which I guess makes it a bit harder to tolerate but I agree.

 
RUSF18 said:
I don't know how the Knicks or Nets wouldn't do it. Hawes has another year left on his deal which I guess makes it a bit harder to tolerate but I agree.
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Lamb and Hawes are both rotation level players on cheap contracts so I don't even really believe this report. Also, contrary to somebody above, Lamb signed an extension this season and has 3 years and 21 million on his contract. For a 24 year old who has proven to be an NBA talent, that isn't a bad deal at all.

 
Kev4029 said:
Lamb and Hawes are both rotation level players on cheap contracts so I don't even really believe this report. Also, contrary to somebody above, Lamb signed an extension this season and has 3 years and 21 million on his contract. For a 24 year old who has proven to be an NBA talent, that isn't a bad deal at all.
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Ha that someone was me. My bad...I got it quickly from Spotrac and didn't notice the extension further below. 

 
GOB said:
I don't think that's going to happen for a number of reasons.

Trading for Embiid is a risk and potentially career suicide, imo.

Is that being reported? 
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I keep seeing how Sixers and Celtics fans do not like the idea of an Okafor for the #3 pick. That usually means it is a fair trade, right?

 
SWC said:
is embid ever going to play and even if he does is he just going to be like that cleveland iguana zilagowskus guy where foot problems ruined his career anyhow all i am sayin is we dont need another iguana out there take that to the bank bromigos 
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That Iguana guy had a pretty darn good career.  He lost a few of the early years and it looked bleak, but his story and success is quite amazing.

 
modogg said:
I keep seeing how Sixers and Celtics fans do not like the idea of an Okafor for the #3 pick. That usually means it is a fair trade, right?
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You know who is available at 3. So Boston has no incentive to tip their hat.

I like Okafor, but in high school I made James Harden look like Bruce Bowen on defense so I might be bias.

 
Bobcat10 said:
SWC said:
is embid ever going to play and even if he does is he just going to be like that cleveland iguana zilagowskus guy where foot problems ruined his career anyhow all i am sayin is we dont need another iguana out there take that to the bank bromigos 
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That Iguana guy had a pretty darn good career.  He lost a few of the early years and it looked bleak, but his story and success is quite amazing.
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and best of all when the going got tough that guy could change his appearance to blend in to the background so he never got eaten by a predator take that to the where did he go bam he is still right there bank bromigos 

 
Kev4029 said:
Lamb and Hawes are both rotation level players on cheap contracts so I don't even really believe this report. Also, contrary to somebody above, Lamb signed an extension this season and has 3 years and 21 million on his contract. For a 24 year old who has proven to be an NBA talent, that isn't a bad deal at all.
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Nets should be all over this imo.

 
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