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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (3 Viewers)

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Fariq said:
Considering this basketball thread sucks so bad and is such an eyesore and I no longer care about fantasy football I may just delete this forum from my bookmarks and forget about it.
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I get not liking the stupid thread title changes but if you follow the NBA it is a good thread.  If you don't follow then why even open this thread?

 
Daywalker said:
I'd rather have Westbrook.  Local ties and has never won it.
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I can see that, although I'm not sold that a team with Westbrook as the best player can win a title.  And he doesn't fit in Luke's system. 

But he's amazing and I'd welcome him in a heart beat.  His hunger is much needed.  

 
thecatch said:
The Kings said no to Russell for #10. Would have needed to sweeten the pot considerably to dump Mozgov. 
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Reading that now.  Guess it's pretty evident what Russell's value was when Lakers had to take the 27th pick instead of the 22nd.

Also reading the Lakers offered the #2 to Sac for #5 and #10.  Sac declined.  Lakers likely to then have offered one of those picks in George trade as well.  I'd imagine the #10.

I just don't understand the rush for the Lakers to do anything.  Mozgov and Deng will be easier to move next offseason with only 2 years left on contracts.  Plus Russell could gain value.  Just turned 21.

The Mozgov/Deng deal's were just insane.  In a year when Lakers had to lose too.  I was always a fan of Mitch but those dual signings are all-timers.  

 
Apparently, Howard was in the middle of a Twitter Q&A where a fan asked him his thoughts about his own trade (apparently, letting Howard know he'd been traded).

Nice trade for the Hornets. Howard is the 3rd most important reason why. Moving up to #31 is great. In true Hornets fashion, they landed the 11th pick in a 9-player draft. So, maybe with 2 swings at this thing, Cho might find somebody that will be worth a ####.

Not that there's any reason to be excited about Howard, but he could be a nice fit with the Hornets. Though, his mere presence could be net negative. The Hawks aren't dumb, and they literally gave him away. 

Ah, who gives a ####. This all Durant's world. At least for a couple more years. Then it's Giannis'.

 
if being not funny makes you leave a place you would probably never hang out in a room with the old swcer in fact it would make me the antifariq in short i am your kryptonite brohan take that to the bank

 
Eephus said:
It's still early but 2015 looks like a really poor draft class.  It was regarded as such at the time but it's probably been worse in reality.
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I don't know if you can say that.  KAT is going to be a top 10 player in the league.  KP is going to be top 20 at least in his prime.  Booker and Turner may be All-Stars at some point.  Then you have a bunch of rotation players like Johnson, Oubre, Dekker, Anderson, Jefferson, Jones, Harrell, Hernangomez, Holmes.  It is missing some of the "starter" quality, but the top 4 guys are better than 2013 and arguably '14 and there is some depth to it (13 and 16 are probably worse and 14 is probably a little better)

More than anything though, the past 3 or 4 drafts have shown just how bad team evaluations of players have been.  My guess is scouts still haven't adjusted to the new NBA, but drafting of players by teams has been close to abysmal for awhile now.  

 
pollardsvision said:
Apparently, Howard was in the middle of a Twitter Q&A where a fan asked him his thoughts about his own trade (apparently, letting Howard know he'd been traded).

Nice trade for the Hornets. Howard is the 3rd most important reason why. Moving up to #31 is great. In true Hornets fashion, they landed the 11th pick in a 9-player draft. So, maybe with 2 swings at this thing, Cho might find somebody that will be worth a ####.

Not that there's any reason to be excited about Howard, but he could be a nice fit with the Hornets. Though, his mere presence could be net negative. The Hawks aren't dumb, and they literally gave him away. 

Ah, who gives a ####. This all Durant's world. At least for a couple more years. Then it's Giannis'.
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Clearing that awful Plumlee contract and dumping Belinelli are good enough.  Playing with house money on the Dwight gamble. 

 
Celtics fans are getting good, here is a beaut from the Cetics reddit page:

If the Celtics want Porzingis, they may have to bid against the Sixers, but because of the recent trade, the Sixers can't use 2018 Lakers, 2019 Kings, or 2019 Sixers picks in a future trade because they're all tied up in this trade. Yet the Sixers will end up keeping 2/3 of those picks. I may be overthinking this, but I really want this to be part of the genius of the Celtics' front office.

 
modogg said:
Celtics fans are getting good, here is a beaut from the Cetics reddit page:

If the Celtics want Porzingis, they may have to bid against the Sixers, but because of the recent trade, the Sixers can't use 2018 Lakers, 2019 Kings, or 2019 Sixers picks in a future trade because they're all tied up in this trade. Yet the Sixers will end up keeping 2/3 of those picks. I may be overthinking this, but I really want this to be part of the genius of the Celtics' front office.
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One of Bill Simmons's alts probably.

 
modogg said:
Celtics fans are getting good, here is a beaut from the Cetics reddit page:

If the Celtics want Porzingis, they may have to bid against the Sixers, but because of the recent trade, the Sixers can't use 2018 Lakers, 2019 Kings, or 2019 Sixers picks in a future trade because they're all tied up in this trade. Yet the Sixers will end up keeping 2/3 of those picks. I may be overthinking this, but I really want this to be part of the genius of the Celtics' front office.
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I actually give the guy credit...he thought that one thru and that is kind of interesting how they can't deal 3 picks even though they will keep 2...I just hope his next post wasn't saying they should trade Jordan Mickey, Tyler Zeller and 7 second round picks for Porzingas...

 
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Talked to my son(11yo) about the trades and rumors. We were talking about the Celtics dealing for Zinger and he mentioned James Young as a possible chip, I said, hold on dude this isn't NBA2K we're talking about here. He'd fit right in with a lot of Celtics fans.

 
I still can't believe Chicago offered Butler straight up for the #3 pick, only thing more unbelievable if that Ainge said no.

 
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Baloney Sandwich said:
I still can't believe Chicago offered Butler straight up for the #3 pick, only thing more unbelievable if that Ainge said no.
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Butler is 28 by the start of the season, that is the either the top of the age regression curve or the backside of it. I don't think a player his age that is either going to have a poor contract in two years or be somewhere else is worth the #3 pick in what is regarded as a strong draft. Once players hit 30, the drop off can be pretty dramatic, especially for a wing who shoots 37% from mid range and 34% from 3 for his career. If his contract was longer he would be worth the risk, but not for two years.

 
msudaisy26 said:
He is going to mess this up. 
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'fraid i agree. he's gonna take the floor of Tatum over the ceiling of Jackson and will have no brilliant 'now&tomorrow' players - Trumphands Brown's full mediocrity will be clear to all by midseason - to include w the pix in his Brow offer when TwinTowers 2.0 proves a bust. the worst part of this is how long it'll have taken by the time this soap opera plays out - five drafts and nine trade windows will have completely worn out my betablockers and my stroked-out ### will be ringing my DonHector bell from my wheelchair over the Green winning the 1.03 with their own 2020 lottery pick and keying on a real athletic wing with a 'developing' shot

 
wikkidpissah said:
'fraid i agree. he's gonna take the floor of Tatum over the ceiling of Jackson and will have no brilliant 'now&tomorrow' players - Trumphands Brown's full mediocrity will be clear to all by midseason - to include w the pix in his Brow offer when TwinTowers 2.0 proves a bust. the worst part of this is how long it'll have taken by the time this soap opera plays out - five drafts and nine trade windows will have completely worn out my betablockers and my stroked-out ### will be ringing my DonHector bell from my wheelchair over the Green winning the 1.03 with their own 2020 lottery pick and keying on a real athletic wing with a 'developing' shot
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I think Tatum will be the best player out of this draft.  Ball will be right there with him.  2 guys with pro bodies and pro games.

As a new Celts fan, I want to see what Stevens can do with Tatum plus a Butler/George/Hayward type.  Still need a rebounder/post defender.  Keep IT.  I think they can figure it out with that lineup as long as they don't have to give up too much of their Bradley/Smart/Crowder guys.

Now if they can actually get their hands on Davis?  Whole new ballgame.  I'd love to see what Stevens could do with him.

 
Jayrod said:
I think Tatum will be the best player out of this draft.  Ball will be right there with him.  2 guys with pro bodies and pro games.

As a new Celts fan, I want to see what Stevens can do with Tatum plus a Butler/George/Hayward type.  Still need a rebounder/post defender.  Keep IT.  I think they can figure it out with that lineup as long as they don't have to give up too much of their Bradley/Smart/Crowder guys.

Now if they can actually get their hands on Davis?  Whole new ballgame.  I'd love to see what Stevens could do with him.
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Just adding whoever they get from this draft plus hayward is gonna really improve them

 
Sammy3469 said:
@SWC Our bestest bromingo, Greg Monroe, is opting in to the last year of his contract.
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im ok with it he showed some real teammateyness by taking his up and down demotions and all that last year and was good coming in and providing some good o for the bangos i like him and hope he sticks around but i also hope we see a wholelotta tron master all year long and that he is dunking like a crazy man and nailing threes like he is a roofer take that to the bank brochacho 

 
Kev4029 said:
Butler is 28 by the start of the season, that is the either the top of the age regression curve or the backside of it. I don't think a player his age that is either going to have a poor contract in two years or be somewhere else is worth the #3 pick in what is regarded as a strong draft. Once players hit 30, the drop off can be pretty dramatic, especially for a wing who shoots 37% from mid range and 34% from 3 for his career. If his contract was longer he would be worth the risk, but not for two years.
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He is 5 months older than Gordon Haywood who they apparently want to sign to a max deal

 
SWC said:
im ok with it he showed some real teammateyness by taking his up and down demotions and all that last year and was good coming in and providing some good o for the bangos i like him and hope he sticks around but i also hope we see a wholelotta tron master all year long and that he is dunking like a crazy man and nailing threes like he is a roofer take that to the bank brochacho 
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:towelwave:

 
Jayrod said:
I think Tatum will be the best player out of this draft.  Ball will be right there with him.  2 guys with pro bodies and pro games.

As a new Celts fan, I want to see what Stevens can do with Tatum plus a Butler/George/Hayward type.  Still need a rebounder/post defender.  Keep IT.  I think they can figure it out with that lineup as long as they don't have to give up too much of their Bradley/Smart/Crowder guys.

Now if they can actually get their hands on Davis?  Whole new ballgame.  I'd love to see what Stevens could do with him.
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Celtics can't keep IT if they want to win a championship.  The elite teams left in the playoffs are going to target him every single time on defense.  Cleveland averaged like 1.33 ppp on offense when he was on the floor.  He's too small.  I honestly wasn't shocked when he "reinjured" himself.

 
Kev4029 said:
Butler is 28 by the start of the season, that is the either the top of the age regression curve or the backside of it. I don't think a player his age that is either going to have a poor contract in two years or be somewhere else is worth the #3 pick in what is regarded as a strong draft. Once players hit 30, the drop off can be pretty dramatic, especially for a wing who shoots 37% from mid range and 34% from 3 for his career. If his contract was longer he would be worth the risk, but not for two years.
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Are you a Celtic homer? Porzingis isn't worth the 1st overall, now Butler isn't worth the 3rd overall. So if the Celtics don't just absolutely dominate a trade, like with Brooklyn, you hate it?

 
Beef Ravioli said:
How does that happen? Who's your old team? Why did you change? 
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I've never latched on to an NBA team.  Basically, I'm a fan of Brad Stevens.  When I saw how well he had them playing this year I decided I should just make it official and declare myself a fan of the Celts before it became the bandwagon thing to do.

As one of my friends said, "how white of you."

 
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Boston said:
Yup...and all their draft picks...
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This isn't football though, sooner or later you have to condense all those assets into 8 - 10 guys to make a run at it. Right now they have have IT, Smart, Bradley, Crowder, Brown, Oylnck, Horford, whoever they go after with their free agent money, 3 picks this year, plus how many picks for the next 2 years after, plus any guys they have stashed overseas. There might be a big gap between them and Cleveland/Golden State, but they are a top 6 team in the league right now. It is time to go for it.

 
Casual lurker to this thread. Keep up the good work Cappy #antifariq :thumbup: :lmao:

Hey SWCer what did you think about the Friday evening news dump of the Bangos new GM? I'll hang up and listen.

 
msudaisy26 said:
This isn't football though, sooner or later you have to condense all those assets into 8 - 10 guys to make a run at it. Right now they have have IT, Smart, Bradley, Crowder, Brown, Oylnck, Horford, whoever they go after with their free agent money, 3 picks this year, plus how many picks for the next 2 years after, plus any guys they have stashed overseas. There might be a big gap between them and Cleveland/Golden State, but they are a top 6 team in the league right now. It is time to go for it.
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Yep.  Boston is a good team but they lack stars.  They almost lost the first two rounds of the playoffs before being pummeled by Cleveland.  It's a nice team but they need to flip some of these assets into 2-3 stars and go for it like you said.

 
After reflecting on the NBA season and looking at a few rosters and draft spots I am going to adopt the Sun's. I like what they are building and everyone else likes the 76ers, Bucks, Cetlics, Lakers, and T-Wolves. Plus the Pistons are so unlikable in this town. 

 
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