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Gr00vus said:
Celtics send the 3 and Brown to the Knicks for Porzingas - who says no? 
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msudaisy26 said:
Here is my hot take on that. I would try to go get Porzingis. He already seems to not like the Knicks and he fits what the Celtics need with a rim protector, and stretch 4. I know it won't happen, but the 1st pick and Brown for him seems to be a win/win. 

Edit. This is instead of Blake, but still go get Hayward. 
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I like it for both teams. This is what I put on page 1 of this thread.

 
DJackson10 said:
True. I'm going off a business corse I took just for fun where having a successful company at all levels starts with the top and how they run things. I did a major final project of sports franchises and success and failures how some franchises no matter what they do are always bad. It's because of poorly run ownership. Now theres occasions where the org gets lucky and wins but doesn't happen often. Hinkie had to go because it was either Hinkie or Brett Brown. From what I heard relationship wasn't on best of terms. Hinkie traded MCW when Brown wanted to keep him and thought he was getting through to MCW and improving him. Frankly I trust Brett Brown more then I would Hinkie. 

Sure anybody can do what pinkie did. However Hinkie didn't know how to turn those assets into anything other then assets. I've said this the last few days but BC made the trade for #1 that Hinkie wouldn't of. Are the Sixers in better position today then 6 yrs ago? Sure but you still have questions on injuries and if things don't go the way they plan BC isn't a very patient person and tends to make a move just to make one and that's usually bad. I disagree I think anyone could do what Hinkie did and he was lucky he fell into a team like Sac who are run by clowns on that trade. Hinkie did a good job sure. But I was already mapping out what the Sixers needed to do to get better before Hinkie got there and he kind of not exactly did things I would've done. I'm not saying i'm an NBA GM by any means but doing what needed to be done to put the phillies in a better position future wise wasn't rocket science. 
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we have discussed this already a ton and can revisit after all the excitement, but i'll argue the bolded/underline. if this is true, why are there so many chronically bad teams? i don't think most GMs could do it as efficiently and draw as much blood from a stone. he had literally 1, maybe 2 assets of value.

we'll see if he chooses to rejoin the league. Guarantee he has a job if he wants, question is does he really want to come back. i have heard Mavs and Clippers, both would benefit greatly with him

 
modogg said:
we have discussed this already a ton and can revisit after all the excitement, but i'll argue the bolded/underline. if this is true, why are there so many chronically bad teams? i don't think most GMs could do it as efficiently and draw as much blood from a stone. he had literally 1, maybe 2 assets of value.

we'll see if he chooses to rejoin the league. Guarantee he has a job if he wants, question is does he really want to come back. i have heard Mavs and Clippers, both would benefit greatly with him
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Please go to the Clippers immediately. I would love to watch him go in there and trade away all those cry babies. 

 
DJackson10 said:
True. I'm going off a business corse I took just for fun where having a successful company at all levels starts with the top and how they run things. I did a major final project of sports franchises and success and failures how some franchises no matter what they do are always bad. It's because of poorly run ownership. Now theres occasions where the org gets lucky and wins but doesn't happen often. Hinkie had to go because it was either Hinkie or Brett Brown. From what I heard relationship wasn't on best of terms. Hinkie traded MCW when Brown wanted to keep him and thought he was getting through to MCW and improving him. Frankly I trust Brett Brown more then I would Hinkie. 

Sure anybody can do what pinkie did. However Hinkie didn't know how to turn those assets into anything other then assets. I've said this the last few days but BC made the trade for #1 that Hinkie wouldn't of. Are the Sixers in better position today then 6 yrs ago? Sure but you still have questions on injuries and if things don't go the way they plan BC isn't a very patient person and tends to make a move just to make one and that's usually bad. I disagree I think anyone could do what Hinkie did and he was lucky he fell into a team like Sac who are run by clowns on that trade. Hinkie did a good job sure. But I was already mapping out what the Sixers needed to do to get better before Hinkie got there and he kind of not exactly did things I would've done. I'm not saying i'm an NBA GM by any means but doing what needed to be done to put the phillies in a better position future wise wasn't rocket science. 
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Hinkie absolutely would have moved to 1. That's exactly what he was talking about with optionality. You aquire assets to set yourself up to strike when the time is right.

People are under this notion that Hinkie wanted to keep tanking forever. No he was tearing it down to build it up. He got axed because the league didn't like him putting D League lineups out there to blatantly do what every team does. 

The sad part is, I really wanted to see what he could do on the climb up. I know he'd have moved Okafor. Probably after his first year when his value was highest. If they never would have been on his back to get in line he probably would have drafted Porzingis knowing his love of European players. But all that is in the past. 

I didn't like Collangelo or how he came in. Didn't like his moves this year but he made the move to #1 and I give him credit for only giving up 1 pick to do it. Let's see what he does from there. 

 
as a knick fan, having porzingis leaves them 11 players short.  if i deal him, he goes with noah to a team that can absorb that awful contract......then i want a top pick or 2 and a player.  dont like it, dont deal with me.

i would've considered ingram and the 2.......then gone ball.  see what happens at 8, maybe markkenen is there.

i would take that 3 over KP and the 8.....still have melo as an asset.

even Russell and the 2 for KP.  could see if i could then move back from 2 and gain more assets.

 
Chemical X said:
as a knick fan, having porzingis leaves them 11 players short.  if i deal him, he goes with noah to a team that can absorb that awful contract......then i want a top pick or 2 and a player.  dont like it, dont deal with me.

i would've considered ingram and the 2.......then gone ball.  see what happens at 8, maybe markkenen is there.

i would take that 3 over KP and the 8.....still have melo as an asset.

even Russell and the 2 for KP.  could see if i could then move back from 2 and gain more assets.
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Easy there you have Phil, not Ainge or Hinkie. 

 
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Chemical X said:
as a knick fan, having porzingis leaves them 11 players short.  if i deal him, he goes with noah to a team that can absorb that awful contract......then i want a top pick or 2 and a player.  dont like it, dont deal with me.

i would've considered ingram and the 2.......then gone ball.  see what happens at 8, maybe markkenen is there.

i would take that 3 over KP and the 8.....still have melo as an asset.

even Russell and the 2 for KP.  could see if i could then move back from 2 and gain more assets.
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that is interesting if Lakers didn't trade DeAngelo yesterday would they have had a chance in trading for KP

 
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Chemical X said:
as a knick fan, having porzingis leaves them 11 players short.  if i deal him, he goes with noah to a team that can absorb that awful contract......then i want a top pick or 2 and a player.  dont like it, dont deal with me.

i would've considered ingram and the 2.......then gone ball.  see what happens at 8, maybe markkenen is there.

i would take that 3 over KP and the 8.....still have melo as an asset.

even Russell and the 2 for KP.  could see if i could then move back from 2 and gain more assets.
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5 & 10, and the Kings take Noah?

 
If Jackson trades Porzingis, my brother is going to have to go to a mental institution. He's 29 years old and I've never seen a more die hard fan of any sports franchise (let alone one that sucked for his entire adult life.

Pretty sad that the NBA felt the need to force Hinkie out to end "The Process" but they'll just sit back and allow senile Phil (who has never actually built a winning team as an executive, is married to an offense that only succeeded when he had 2 of the top 5 scorers of all time and clearly gives zero ####s about the job) to trade Porzingis just because he's mad at him....

If I'm Phil, the only package I'm taking for KP is Boston's # 3 pick,  next year's Brooklyn pick and one of their good young perimeter players. (smart or Brown I guess). And honestly, even that might not be enough (unless you could guarantee that Brooklyn's pick would yield Michael Porter Jr, which you obviously cant) I might want the Lakers/Kings/Sixers pick that they own in 2018/19 as well.

Not saying Boston would do that (especially with that last pick in the mix) but that's what I'm asking for in order to trade a 21 year old 7'3 stud like KP (especially with how bad the franchise has been for a decade)

I like Josh Jackson a lot. But giving up KP for him and one other asset (again, unless that asset is Porter) is just lunacy.

 
msudaisy26 said:
I think he could be. His ceilingis much higher than Crowder, or Smart, but his floor is lower too. 
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No doubt he is still a work in progress but he was much less raw them I thought he was going to be when they drafted him...he has elite athleticism, I don't think anyone can deny that...what I liked and was surprised about was his effort on D and his outside shot was much further along then I thought it would be...fortunately for him he went to a situation where he could develop and not be forced to play 35 minutes a night because he was not ready for that...my fear with him is if he goes to a train wreck like the Knicks he will not develop properly...if he stays with Stevens I think he has the chance to be a very good player...

 
The Cavs let a good GM walk that LeBron likes. 

The Celtics trade out of 1 to gain another asset and save money

The Knicks make Porzingis available

Butler/George/Hayward are all available. 

It is like this huge neon sign that is smacking Ainge in the head and trying to reward him and the Celtic for their hard work. 

 
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thecatch said:
If you're OK with a lottery protected 2021 pick I'll send the paperwork to the league office. 
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2021?  nothing sooner?  you can protect top 3.

i may be able to get fox, monk and markkenen.  would have hernangomez and melo.  cap space from noah and melo when i deal him.

 
msudaisy26 said:
The Cavs let a good GM walk that LeBron likes. 

The Cetlics trade out of 1 to gain another asset and save money

The Knicks make Porzingis available

Butler/George/Hayward are all available. 

It is like this huge neon sign that is smacking Ainge in the head and trying to reward him and the Cetlics for their hard work. 
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Agreed.  This is what Philly and Boston have been acquiring assets for - they should be feasting on this opportunity.  

 
I almost forgot about my new team, the Suns. 4th pick and Chriss. That is a solid young core of Booker, Warren, KP, Williams and Ulis. 

 
the moops said:
:lol: :lol: :lol:  
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if i offered melo to the ainge's at the deadline for crowder, zeller, J brown and jerebko, would you have done it?  i think the math works.

Cs get an end game scorer to go with IT.  i get the #3 pick in brown, a good player is crowder at a reasonable price an expiring jerebko and an un guaranteed zeller who i waive immediately to save the air fare.  

today i have crowder, KP, brown, and save 11 mill on melo.  at 8 this year i go PG with the french baguette or dennis sniff.

 
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TLEF316 said:
If Jackson trades Porzingis, my brother is going to have to go to a mental institution. He's 29 years old and I've never seen a more die hard fan of any sports franchise (let alone one that sucked for his entire adult life.

Pretty sad that the NBA felt the need to force Hinkie out to end "The Process" but they'll just sit back and allow senile Phil (who has never actually built a winning team as an executive, is married to an offense that only succeeded when he had 2 of the top 5 scorers of all time and clearly gives zero ####s about the job) to trade Porzingis just because he's mad at him....

If I'm Phil, the only package I'm taking for KP is Boston's # 3 pick,  next year's Brooklyn pick and one of their good young perimeter players. (smart or Brown I guess). And honestly, even that might not be enough (unless you could guarantee that Brooklyn's pick would yield Michael Porter Jr, which you obviously cant) I might want the Lakers/Kings/Sixers pick that they own in 2018/19 as well.

Not saying Boston would do that (especially with that last pick in the mix) but that's what I'm asking for in order to trade a 21 year old 7'3 stud like KP (especially with how bad the franchise has been for a decade)

I like Josh Jackson a lot. But giving up KP for him and one other asset (again, unless that asset is Porter) is just lunacy.
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i dont care the package, i dont deal KP in my division, especially not the Cs.  eff auerbach.

 
Report: Clippers have spoken to the Pistons about a DeAndre Jordan - Andre Drummond swap.
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:popcorn:

Jordan is currently the clearly superior player, especially on defense. He'd make the Pistons better immediately.

On the other hand Jordan turns 29 in a month and his skill set won't age well. And it's not like he makes the Pistons an instant contender or anything. There's still a lot of upside to Drummond, as much as he sucked last year.

 
here is a random drinking game for the draft.

-drink when a player drafted was raised by his grandmother

-drink when a player drafted has a parent in prison

-drink when a player is called a gym rat, long, athletic or only began playing in HS after they emigrated to the u.s.

-drink when a player is the son of a coach 

-drink when a player is a former soccer player

you will be drunk by pick 3?

 
Chemical X said:
if i offered melo to the ainge's at the deadline for crowder, zeller, J brown and jerebko, would you have done it?  i think the math works.

Cs get an end game scorer to go with IT.  i get the #3 pick in brown, a good player is crowder at a reasonable price an expiring jerebko and an un guaranteed zeller who i waive immediately to save the air fare.  

today i have crowder, KP, brown, and save 11 mill on melo.  at 8 this year i go PG with the french baguette or dennis sniff.
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Why would the Celtics even consider that?  Trade away their #3 pick a very good contract in Crowder and junk for an older scorer who isn't even close to good enough to make them contenders and eats up the cap they need to be in the mix for a max contract.

 
Niles Standish said:
Why would the Celtics even consider that?  Trade away their #3 pick a very good contract in Crowder and junk for an older scorer who isn't even close to good enough to make them contenders and eats up the cap they need to be in the mix for a max contract.
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at the time, the cavs seemed more vulnerable.  melo has flaws, but he would've added only 10mill to the cap and they needed a second scorer.

 
Chemical X said:
at the time, the cavs seemed more vulnerable.  melo has flaws, but he would've added only 10mill to the cap and they needed a second scorer.
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Cavs might have seemed more vulnerable to the casual fan.  Nobody paying attention thought the Celts had any chance at the East.  And Danny didn't make any moves so he must not have thought so either.  And nobody in the world should have thought the Celts were in the same stratosphere as the Warriors.

 
bananafish said:
Cavs offered a five-year deal to Chauncey Billups to run their front office. Chauncey Billups with zero front office experience.

Chauncey Billups has not accepted.
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He'll only accept if the Cavs put lottery protection on the last two years...

 
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