2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (4 Viewers)

[bushdocda]

can the Wiz make space to sign Blake?

 

[modogg]

If you are the Lakers with all this chatter about Paul George, aren't you a little bit worried? Enough to unload some actual assets to acquire him in a deal? I know the belief is George is all but guaranteed to sign there next year so why waste assets but if you are the Lakers, are you really trusting if he ends up on Boston with Hayward, Thomas, Horford that he would leave to come to a Lakers team with Ingram and Lonzo Ball? Or if he somehow ends up with Cleveland or Houston?

I know the Lakers do not want to lose any assets for a player they hope/expect to sign next year but don't they have to make a push? Use Ingram to get him, even though that may seem like way too much.

If you do not end up with George next year, the Lakers are looking at a Philly long-term project but with less talent and assets. Still a good place to be in with flexibility and young building blocks but still a long ways away. 

Did the Lakers really ever have a chance? hasn't this been the m.o. of free agents since a year after Shaq, where they use Lakers as a ploy to get more money? Aldridge did it last year and i think 4-5 other guys did it too

 

[Sammy3469]

Did the Lakers really ever have a chance? hasn't this been the m.o. of free agents since a year after Shaq, where they use Lakers as a ploy to get more money? Aldridge did it last year and i think 4-5 other guys did it too

I think next summer will be different though.  The Lakers will definitely be able to sign 2 max FAs and would be close to 3.  Granted they'd be left with Ingram, Ball, Nance Jr, and Zubac, but they are setup as the landing space if 2 or 3 of these guys want it.

 

[TobiasFunke]

can the Wiz make space to sign Blake?

It would have to be some sort of sign-and-trade arrangement, they don't have the room to chase him just by dumping their holds.

 

[msudaisy26]

Did the Lakers really ever have a chance? hasn't this been the m.o. of free agents since a year after Shaq, where they use Lakers as a ploy to get more money? Aldridge did it last year and i think 4-5 other guys did it too

 I am not sure what you are talking about. LMA was a free agent a couple of years ago, and George isn't a free agent until next year. Elodin is suggesting that the Lakers offer more assets to the Pacers to trade for him.

I think the Pacers are in a good spot, everyone thinks they have to sell and get pennies on the dollar. If I was in charge of the Pacers I would call their bluff, you don't want to give us anything for PG13, okay, you can compete with the other 10ish teams that are going to try to sign him. I wouldn't care if I got anything back for him, because in the end they are going to have to lose if they want to build this thing back up anyways. Their pick will be a lot lower this way.

 

[Slapdash]

So, what, everyone in Houston just shares this supposed gigantic TV?

Houston is a dump. Sorry. Paul's taking his best shot at getting to the Finals, that's pretty much the long and short of it.

And there's nothing wrong with it

 

[Good Posting Judge]

And there's nothing wrong with it

Of course not. Aaaand, there's also this:

http://deadspin.com/report-chris-paul-hated-austin-and-doc-rivers-1796493696

 

[Eephus]

can the Wiz make space to sign Blake?

Steve Blake is coming home

 

[msudaisy26]

Of course not. Aaaand, there's also this:

http://deadspin.com/report-chris-paul-hated-austin-and-doc-rivers-1796493696

Let's be honest the Clippers are the most hated team in the league, when it comes to just hating a team, not because they are your rival or a dirty play. Should we really be surprised that they hated themselves and each other?

 

[Shrugs]

If you are the Lakers with all this chatter about Paul George, aren't you a little bit worried? Enough to unload some actual assets to acquire him in a deal? I know the belief is George is all but guaranteed to sign there next year so why waste assets but if you are the Lakers, are you really trusting if he ends up on Boston with Hayward, Thomas, Horford that he would leave to come to a Lakers team with Ingram and Lonzo Ball? Or if he somehow ends up with Cleveland or Houston?

I know the Lakers do not want to lose any assets for a player they hope/expect to sign next year but don't they have to make a push? Use Ingram to get him, even though that may seem like way too much.

If you do not end up with George next year, the Lakers are looking at a Philly long-term project but with less talent and assets. Still a good place to be in with flexibility and young building blocks but still a long ways away. 

It's not giving up on Boston or whatever hypothetical situation to play with Ball and Ingram. It's going to L.A. to team up with LeBron and CP3 after the Houston experiment doesn't work.

 

[msudaisy26]

It's not giving up on Boston or whatever hypothetical situation to play with Ball and Ingram. It's going to L.A. to team up with LeBron and CP3 after the Houston experiment doesn't work.

He has already said he prefers the Lakers, that is where he from. Boston was never in the lead, it is on Boston to land him and convince him to stay, not the other way around.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

So the Clippers got Patrick Beverly and a draft pick for Chris Paul. Not a great trade, but if he was leaving anyway, not a horrible deal. 

Clippers rebuild plan:

1. Sign Blake

2. Trade Patrick Beverly for draft picks. He is the kind of player who can really help a contender. And he has a cheap contract which makes him more attractive.

3. Trade Blake on December for picks and/or young players

4. Trade Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams to contenders for expiring contracts and picks 

5. Tank. Let Deandre shoot all the technicals. Let Austin shoot all the threes he wants. Hinkie the sh-t out of this team. 

 

[msudaisy26]

So the Clippers got Patrick Beverly and a draft pick for Chris Paul. Not a great trade, but if he was leaving anyway, not a horrible deal. 

Clippers rebuild plan:

1. Sign Blake

2. Trade Patrick Beverly for draft picks. He is the kind of player who can really help a contender. And he has a cheap contract which makes him more attractive.

3. Trade Blake on December for picks and/or young players

4. Trade Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams to contenders for expiring contracts and picks 

5. Tank. Let Deandre shoot all the technicals. Let Austin shoot all the threes he wants. Hinkie the sh-t out of this team. 

You continue to say this and it won't happen. If they sign a guy just to trade him right after the year starts they aren't going to get free agents to go there. You have 3 choices, you sign Blake to build around him, you do a sign and trade like Chris Paul just did (if that is still possible), or you let him walk. Plus Blake now has all the leverage, if he resigns with the Clippers he is probably going to ask and get a no trade clause.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

So the Clippers got Patrick Beverly and a draft pick for Chris Paul. Not a great trade, but if he was leaving anyway, not a horrible deal. 

Clippers rebuild plan:

1. Sign Blake

2. Trade Patrick Beverly for draft picks. He is the kind of player who can really help a contender. And he has a cheap contract which makes him more attractive.

3. Trade Blake on December for picks and/or young players

4. Trade Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams to contenders for expiring contracts and picks 

5. Tank. Let Deandre shoot all the technicals. Let Austin shoot all the threes he wants. Hinkie the sh-t out of this team. 

Who's going to be able to trade for Blake after he signs a gigantic contract?

 

[NutterButter]

So the Clippers got Patrick Beverly and a draft pick for Chris Paul. Not a great trade, but if he was leaving anyway, not a horrible deal. 

Clippers rebuild plan:

1. Sign Blake

2. Trade Patrick Beverly for draft picks. He is the kind of player who can really help a contender. And he has a cheap contract which makes him more attractive.

3. Trade Blake on December for picks and/or young players

4. Trade Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams to contenders for expiring contracts and picks 

5. Tank. Let Deandre shoot all the technicals. Let Austin shoot all the threes he wants. Hinkie the sh-t out of this team. 

Ballmar and his billions is just going to love this plan

 

[Good Posting Judge]

The Rockets have apparently consummated six trades today.

 

[need2know]

I have figured Blake was gone even before this Paul trade.  Why the #### would he go back to the clippers now?

Maybe he really believes in Austin rivers?

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

You continue to say this and it won't happen. If they sign a guy just to trade him right after the year starts they aren't going to get free agents to go there. You have 3 choices, you sign Blake to build around him, you do a sign and trade like Chris Paul just did (if that is still possible), or you let him walk. Plus Blake now has all the leverage, if he resigns with the Clippers he is probably going to ask and get a no trade clause.

Here's how I phrase it:

Me: Hey Blake, we can pay you 50 million more than any other team. We are willing to sign you to the max deal. But we are going to trade you in December. Or you can just go sign with another team now and lose that 50 million. 

Blake: Where do I sign?

if the Clippers are up front and honest, I don't think it hurts them. If anything, I think it looks good because they are trying to help Blake get the most money he can.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

Westbrook wants to come home to L.A., any chance the Clippers could lure him? I really don't think his ball dominant shuke will work with Luke Walton's system. I also think that Lonzo Ball won't mesh well with him. 

 

[msudaisy26]

Here's how I phrase it:

Me: Hey Blake, we can pay you 50 million more than any other team. We are willing to sign you to the max deal. But we are going to trade you in December. Or you can just go sign with another team now and lose that 50 million. 

Blake: Where do I sign?

if the Clippers are up front and honest, I don't think it hurts them. If anything, I think it looks good because they are trying to help Blake get the most money he can.

It doesn't work that way. Like GPJ said, now you have find some one to take him on that contract. Plus that contract hurts twice as much, teams can go over the cap to resign their own players. 

 

[msudaisy26]

Westbrook wants to come home to L.A., any chance the Clippers could lure him? I really don't think his ball dominant shuke will work with Luke Walton's system. I also think that Lonzo Ball won't mesh well with him. 

Maybe they can trade Blake for him after they sign him to his super max?

 

[wikkidpissah]

can the Wiz make space to sign Blake?

Wont matter - Bullets had enough to go farther this year, a coach who had at least some idea how to make it work and was begging his players to do what he asked but they paid him not an ounce of mind (my team benefited from it & i'm still stupified what i saw). Blake Griffin dont do nothing he dont wanna either - his defense has been as poor as Harden's the last couple of years. Yes, it takes star quality to win in the NBA, but it takes stars being on the same page as a good leader and each other, too.

 

[need2know]

Westbrook wants to come home to L.A., any chance the Clippers could lure him? I really don't think his ball dominant shuke will work with Luke Walton's system. I also think that Lonzo Ball won't mesh well with him. 

After this year and they see how average ball is they will dump him for Westbrook

 

[EYLive]

Let's be honest the Clippers are the most hated team in the league, when it comes to just hating a team, not because they are your rival or a dirty play. Should we really be surprised that they hated themselves and each other?

How do you figure? I'm from LA so I don't have a sense of how the rest of the country feels. 

I googled "most hated team in the nba"... all the articles show the Warriors are at the top of the list.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

What if Blake were to do the same thing Chris did. Opt in for one more year. If the Celtics sign Hayward, but are not able to trade for PG-13, you trade him to Boston. Then next year he signs the Supermax with them, 

 

[scoobus]

How soon does Doc quit again?

 

[msudaisy26]

It is times like this when I go back and read old swc posts. They always make me smile. Right now I am still thinking about Mark dan tony.

 

[DJackson10]

How did the Clippers get more for Paul, who could sign anywhere, than the Bulls got for Butler, who was under contract for 2 more years?

I wouldn't say it was more. If you mean just a pick wise it's not really a great value. The guys they got are literally all bench guys for the most part. Beverly is really the only good player in the deal unless you see something in Dekker and Lou is an expensive bench guy at best this point in his career. Harrell is a nice big but mostly defensive, and the other guys are just blah. I mean it also depends what you think of Lavine and Dunn. I think Lavine has way more potential then anyone in this trade LA is getting. I'm not happy with what we got in return for Butler but this is no way better unless besides a pick that is really meaningless. 

 

[msudaisy26]

How do you figure? I'm from LA so I don't have a sense of how the rest of the country feels. 

I googled "most hated team in the nba"... all the articles show the Warriors are at the top of the list.

I would bet that is because they are beating everyone, everyone has reason to hate winners. The Clippers don't win and no one likes their players or coaches. The are whiners, cries and excuse makers. Earlier in the thread I said I feel bad for Clipper fans, you guys deserve better after finally dropping that tool you had for an owner.

 

[DJackson10]

If I was DeAndre Jordan I would punch Paul in the face on the way out, even better if it was during a game. 

LOL yeah if I'm DJ I'm fuming. You made me stay rather then going to Dal only to leave the next year. Yeah F You. I wonder how Mark Cuban feels as well? If I'm Jordan I'm telling the Clippers I want out now. 

 

[thecatch]

How do you figure? I'm from LA so I don't have a sense of how the rest of the country feels. 

I googled "most hated team in the nba"... all the articles show the Warriors are at the top of the list.

Clippers were definitely up there, in large part because of Paul and crap like this: https://mobile.twitter.com/TimMaxwell22/status/880142406544498688

If Blake and Redick leave it will be harder to hate them but I'm sure we'll find a way. 

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Of course not. Aaaand, there's also this:

http://deadspin.com/report-chris-paul-hated-austin-and-doc-rivers-1796493696

Ainge trading Doc for a first round pick and upgrading with Stevens is a very underrated move

 

[Abraham]

Clippers haul is actually pretty good considering they could have gotten nothing. Bev and Dekker can be starters. Harrell and Witjer can be rotation guys with specific skills (garbage man and tall shooter).  Someone will offer something useful for Lou WIlliams. 

 

[Abraham]

Clippers were definitely up there, in large part because of Paul and crap like this: https://mobile.twitter.com/TimMaxwell22/status/880142406544498688

If Blake and Redick leave it will be harder to hate them but I'm sure we'll find a way. 

I've been to more Clips games in the last three seasons than any other and as much as I loved watching CP3 play I largely hated the team.  They cry a ton.  HE's the ringleader for sure.  But they cry a ton.

 

[EYLive]

I would bet that is because they are beating everyone, everyone has reason to hate winners. The Clippers don't win and no one likes their players or coaches. The are whiners, cries and excuse makers. Earlier in the thread I said I feel bad for Clipper fans, you guys deserve better after finally dropping that tool you had for an owner.

OK, so your post should have read: "Clippers are the team I hate the most in the league".

 

[Eephus]

LOL yeah if I'm DJ I'm fuming. You made me stay rather then going to Dal only to leave the next year. Yeah F You. I wonder how Mark Cuban feels as well? If I'm Jordan I'm telling the Clippers I want out now. 

Yeah, Dallas would have been a much better situation

 

[EYLive]

If we're basing reason to hate a team on the amount of crying, whining and flopping, the Spurs would be the most hated.

 

[thecatch]

I've been to more Clips games in the last three seasons than any other and as much as I loved watching CP3 play I largely hated the team.  They cry a ton.  HE's the ringleader for sure.  But they cry a ton.

Yeah, Doc has to be the worst coach in the league when it comes to whining. 

 

[Kev4029]

So the Clippers got Patrick Beverly and a draft pick for Chris Paul. Not a great trade, but if he was leaving anyway, not a horrible deal. 

Clippers rebuild plan:

1. Sign Blake

2. Trade Patrick Beverly for draft picks. He is the kind of player who can really help a contender. And he has a cheap contract which makes him more attractive.

3. Trade Blake on December for picks and/or young players

4. Trade Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams to contenders for expiring contracts and picks 

5. Tank. Let Deandre shoot all the technicals. Let Austin shoot all the threes he wants. Hinkie the sh-t out of this team. 

As a few people have stated, #3 makes no sense.

Who would be looking for a guy like Beverly? Denver for Mudiay? Wolves or Spurs for a late first rounder?

Crawford isn't going to get picks in a trade, he'll cost picks. He is nearly a total sunk cost with a terrible contract.

 

[msudaisy26]

OK, so your post should have read: "Clippers are the team I hate the most in the league".

It isn't just me, but okay.

Rivers trying to discount the Warriors title saying "Well they didn't have to beat the Spurs or us" Except they beat the team that beat the Clippers, or the time he questioned the Warriors for resting their players against them in a meaningless game at the end of the regular season and said something like The Warriors are resting their starters because they want an excuse why they split the season series with us. Then the back ups came out and beat their ###.

Blake being a punk, his act is well documented

Chris Paul being a whiner

Redick is from Duke and everyone hates them.

Sorry to burst your bubble

Edit: The whole DeAndre Jordan fiasco

 

[Beef Ravioli]

5. Tank. Let Deandre shoot all the technicals. Let Austin shoot all the threes he wants. Hinkie the sh-t out of this team. 

that would be a lot of bricks!

 

[DJackson10]

Westbrook wants to come home to L.A., any chance the Clippers could lure him? I really don't think his ball dominant shuke will work with Luke Walton's system. I also think that Lonzo Ball won't mesh well with him. 

Maybe they can get Love so Russ and Love can play together too......

 

[DJackson10]

How do you figure? I'm from LA so I don't have a sense of how the rest of the country feels. 

I googled "most hated team in the nba"... all the articles show the Warriors are at the top of the list.

Kind of natural most people hate the most successful team out of pure jealously it wasn't their team. It's like when my Gators won in 06 the National Title in Football people hated them or when Gator Basketball went back to back. Look how many people hated the Yankees in the 90s. I actually feel a bit immature for my reasons for hating the Yankees as a youngster now. 

 

[DJackson10]

It is times like this when I go back and read old swc posts. They always make me smile. Right now I am still thinking about Mark dan tony.

OK whats the inside joke here or what am I missing? 

 

[msudaisy26]

OK whats the inside joke here or what am I missing? 

Just look up his posts here or any where in the FFA relly, take the laughs to the bank and thank me later!

 

[Kev4029]

In other news, part one of the Dunc'd On Mock Offseason pod is up: http://nateduncannba.com/podcast-episodes/duncd-mock-offseason-part-1/

This, along with part two tomorrow, are some of the best podcasts of the year imo. I won't spoil anything except to say it's worth listening to.

eta: the beginning of part 2 is up as well if you are a Patreon subsrciber (which you should be).

They are busy today. In the last 12 hours they have posted both part 1 and 2 of the mock offseason (even for us plebs that don't subscribe) and immediate reaction pods to both the Paul and PJ news. I listed to 1.5 hours this morning and I'm already nearly 3 hours behind. Love these guys.

 

[DJackson10]

I've been to more Clips games in the last three seasons than any other and as much as I loved watching CP3 play I largely hated the team.  They cry a ton.  HE's the ringleader for sure.  But they cry a ton.

I agree every time I watched them someone was flopping and then crying foul. It was like watching Sidney Crosby take cheap shots at Flyers players and then he gets breezed by someone and he's diving and crying to the refs for a penalty. 

 

[DJackson10]

I would bet that is because they are beating everyone, everyone has reason to hate winners. The Clippers don't win and no one likes their players or coaches. The are whiners, cries and excuse makers. Earlier in the thread I said I feel bad for Clipper fans, you guys deserve better after finally dropping that tool you had for an owner.

I think that whining and excuse culture was brought on by the bigot owner and LAC just didn't have the balls to rid themselves of the players who were cancerous to a newer culture. Paul and Blake were the biggest of complainers of the bunch and both should've been gone awhile ago. The Flyers did this when they traded Mike Richards and Jeff Carter. Didn't think they rubbed off on the young players well and Carter and Richards were reported by Local Media to be partying in Sea Isle at the Jersey shore which is 1hr 45m or so depending where they lived before a playoff game the next night and coming to the game hungover. When you have players who don't represent the culture you are building you need to rid them from the dressing room and organization. 

 

[DJackson10]

It isn't just me, but okay.

Rivers trying to discount the Warriors title saying "Well they didn't have to beat the Spurs or us" Except they beat the team that beat the Clippers, or the time he questioned the Warriors for resting their players against them in a meaningless game at the end of the regular season and said something like The Warriors are resting their starters because they want an excuse why they split the season series with us. Then the back ups came out and beat their ###.

Blake being a punk, his act is well documented

Chris Paul being a whiner

Redick is from Duke and everyone hates them.

Sorry to burst your bubble

Edit: The whole DeAndre Jordan fiasco

LOL the crazy thing is when Reddick and Adam Morrison came out I remember telling my buddy that Reddick would have a better career then Morrison and he acted like I said something about his mom. I told him I was willing to bet $300 that Adam Morrison will retire well before Reddick and it won't be with the Bobcats. He took the bet I won $300. I like Reddick despite him looking like a complete D Bag. Blake is a Punk and sore loser when he doesn't get his way. 

 

[Kev4029]

@Capella Good work on the thread title, one of my favorites.