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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (2 Viewers)

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Obviously firing Casey in a season where Toronto won a franchise record number of regular season games is going to draw questions, but Ujiri isn't stupid.  Casey's been there for 7 years, and even if he's an excellent coach overall, it's probably time for a new voice and some new blood.  

 
I'd probably be a terrible franchise owner because I tend to blame players (mine and the other teams) more than coaches. Most coaches at this level are going to be really good if given really good rosters. Fans focus on coaching because they get desperate for better results when the answer is poisoning Lebron James, not firing a very successful coach loved by the player and respected league-wide.
Certainly going against a very motivated Lebron James had a ton to do with Toronto losing that series--but Casey did do a terrible job coaching that series.  The two most competitive games of that series were games 1 and 2---and if you look at those games--the most (or one of the most) effective players for the Raptors was Jonas V.   Literally--game one was lost because Toronto missed a couple of bunnies at crucial possessions--there was no major flaws with their "scheme".   Once Toronto lost game 2--this effectively made game 3 a must win for them--and what does he do?  He benches possibly their most effective player in the series--Jonas.  Not surprisingingly--they get blown out.   Stotts did a very similar thing with Nurkic in their first round series against the Pelicans.  He's sees Lillard and McCollum struggling--and his answer to this is to limit Nurkic's role in the series until game 4.  I don't think Toronto was going to beat the Cavs in this series--but Casey's coaching after game 2 was cringeworthy.  I don't know if he deserves to get fired for it--but I'm not sure if he's the guy that can ever take this team past the second round.   

 
It will be interesting to see what Ujiri does with the roster this off-season. Seems like Lowry and Ibaka would be impossible to move if they wanted to shake things up. They also have too many good players to blow it up and tank. I don't think the fanbase is interested in that either. This is going to be an amazing summer. 

 
Certainly going against a very motivated Lebron James had a ton to do with Toronto losing that series--but Casey did do a terrible job coaching that series.  The two most competitive games of that series were games 1 and 2---and if you look at those games--the most (or one of the most) effective players for the Raptors was Jonas V.   Literally--game one was lost because Toronto missed a couple of bunnies at crucial possessions--there was no major flaws with their "scheme".   Once Toronto lost game 2--this effectively made game 3 a must win for them--and what does he do?  He benches possibly their most effective player in the series--Jonas.  Not surprisingingly--they get blown out.   Stotts did a very similar thing with Nurkic in their first round series against the Pelicans.  He's sees Lillard and McCollum struggling--and his answer to this is to limit Nurkic's role in the series until game 4.  I don't think Toronto was going to beat the Cavs in this series--but Casey's coaching after game 2 was cringeworthy.  I don't know if he deserves to get fired for it--but I'm not sure if he's the guy that can ever take this team past the second round.   
His coaching all series was cringeworthy.  Giving LeBron carte blanche to the top of the key with passing angles is just suicidal.  He let that happen in all 4 games.  

Stevens will at least shut that down.  

 
Certainly going against a very motivated Lebron James had a ton to do with Toronto losing that series--but Casey did do a terrible job coaching that series.  The two most competitive games of that series were games 1 and 2---and if you look at those games--the most (or one of the most) effective players for the Raptors was Jonas V.   Literally--game one was lost because Toronto missed a couple of bunnies at crucial possessions--there was no major flaws with their "scheme".   Once Toronto lost game 2--this effectively made game 3 a must win for them--and what does he do?  He benches possibly their most effective player in the series--Jonas.  Not surprisingingly--they get blown out.   Stotts did a very similar thing with Nurkic in their first round series against the Pelicans.  He's sees Lillard and McCollum struggling--and his answer to this is to limit Nurkic's role in the series until game 4.  I don't think Toronto was going to beat the Cavs in this series--but Casey's coaching after game 2 was cringeworthy.  I don't know if he deserves to get fired for it--but I'm not sure if he's the guy that can ever take this team past the second round.   
Doesn't really change your point but game 3 was the most competitive game. It's a tough decision when Love is essentially playing 5 for Cleveland, as Jonas has no chance there. Ibaka really killed them, he was terrible all series. 

 
if he could only choose one to improve, which would be better for Simmons and his team?  To be a 30% 3 point shooter or an 80% free throw shooter?
I'll take free throws too, but only to extend it to the expectation that he could hit a reasonable % of 15-ft jump shots.

The 2-man game between Simmons & Embiid MUST be the next step in their and their team's development. That they really dont have one yet is bad coaching, but i'm tired already of smearing brown on Brown. The Celts exposed the flaws in an improvised relationship between the two Sixer stars by sagging back to the point where Simmons could even begin to think about shooting, taking away both his drive and his passing and making it easier to double JoJo.

The first thing Simmons has to do is extend the spot where defenses must pick him up to at least 15 feet to open their spacing. Then they can work something where Embiid can kick right back to Simmons if they double him for Simmons to hit a quick one or dump it back in for a re-try in the post. Both of them are super adept at passing out for the three but they gotta have something between the hole & the three-point line to make coverage difficult for opponents. That's why Brown used that lil ratboy so much in the Celtic series.

 
Doesn't really change your point but game 3 was the most competitive game. It's a tough decision when Love is essentially playing 5 for Cleveland, as Jonas has no chance there. Ibaka really killed them, he was terrible all series. 
I agree to disagree. Toronto was up 10pts in the 4th quarter with 10 mins to go in game 1. They botched that game by missing easy shots towards the end- their scheme was fine. In game 3- they were down 14pts to start the 4th and down 15 at halftime.  They played well in the 4th quarter to make it competitive at the end- but lets not confuse that with caseys game 3 scheme working. His scheme put them in more of a position to get blown out than he did to put then in a position to win. In the playoffs- you shorten ur rotations and play your best guys. Jonas was the best and most consistent player for the Raptors that series.  The last thing you do is reduce his role.

 
Agreed. Ben probably doesn't know what he's in for this summer. I'm sure they'll try several different approaches seeking something that helps. We had this discussion about Ball a couple months ago. Try to tweak it or tear it down and start over. Experts have long held that at a certain age, I don't know when, but sometime around Ben and Lonzo's age, it's too late to change everything. So they try to work with what they got and improve it. Plenty of debate about that. I land squarely in the tear it down and start over camp.
I'm guessing the Fultz jump shot situation (and basically making him a different player) within the same organization isn't helping anything here.

 
I agree to disagree. Toronto was up 10pts in the 4th quarter with 10 mins to go in game 1. They botched that game by missing easy shots towards the end- their scheme was fine. In game 3- they were down 14pts to start the 4th and down 15 at halftime.  They played well in the 4th quarter to make it competitive at the end- but lets not confuse that with caseys game 3 scheme working. His scheme put them in more of a position to get blown out than he did to put then in a position to win. In the playoffs- you shorten ur rotations and play your best guys. Jonas was the best and most consistent player for the Raptors that series.  The last thing you do is reduce his role.
No argument there on game 1. I posted after that game that I still liked Toronto in the series and they should have won that game - they generated a ton of great looks, just didn't go in. Just goes to show how small the margins are in a playoff series. I agree that Casey was pretty awful - smart people who I usually rely on to inform my opinions were roasting him on twitter for most of the series. 

I do think you are only looking at one side of the ball though re: Jonas. I can't remember which one otherwise I'd link it but I read an article a day or two ago where Nate McMillan plainly said you can't put a 5 on Love. So what do you do with Jonas when the Cavs roll out Hill-JR-Korver-LBJ-Love?

 
No argument there on game 1. I posted after that game that I still liked Toronto in the series and they should have won that game - they generated a ton of great looks, just didn't go in. Just goes to show how small the margins are in a playoff series. I agree that Casey was pretty awful - smart people who I usually rely on to inform my opinions were roasting him on twitter for most of the series. 

I do think you are only looking at one side of the ball though re: Jonas. I can't remember which one otherwise I'd link it but I read an article a day or two ago where Nate McMillan plainly said you can't put a 5 on Love. So what do you do with Jonas when the Cavs roll out Hill-JR-Korver-LBJ-Love?
You have a good point- but Love also can't handle Jonas on the other end. You maybe switch to a 3-2 defense- but the one thing you DON'T do is take your best option and best mismatch out of a gameplan.  At least Jonas risks putting Love in foul trouble. They were the #1 seed in the east- they didnt have to flush their identity down the toilet to adapt to their opponent. Torontos best game against the Cavs was easily game 1-- and that was the game where they stuck to what their identity was the most. With all that said- it does feel like there is a pretty solid commonality in our thoughts on this.

 
There is nothing wrong with being a respected and liked assistant coach in the NBA.  Casey will be fine.

Toronto is still in a tough spot even though they did the right thing today.  Let's say Lebron stays in Cle and we know Boston and Phila are on the rise.  They're going to need a miracle to get to the Finals, and maybe even ECF, with Lowry and Derozan leading the team.  Maybe the new coach can improve those odds a little.  They'll continue to rack up regular season wins though, they're built for that.

 
Bobcat10 said:
There is nothing wrong with being a respected and liked assistant coach in the NBA.  Casey will be fine.

Toronto is still in a tough spot even though they did the right thing today.  Let's say Lebron stays in Cle and we know Boston and Phila are on the rise.  They're going to need a miracle to get to the Finals, and maybe even ECF, with Lowry and Derozan leading the team.  Maybe the new coach can improve those odds a little.  They'll continue to rack up regular season wins though, they're built for that.
I think they should at least explore what they can get for Derozan. Maybe the Lakers panic after whiffing on Lebron etc. and make a decent offer. Lowry would be tough with that contract. Ujiri is a creative guy, I think changes are coming. He doesn't seem like the type to be content with a guaranteed playoff spot but no real chance to win the title. 

 
JuniorNB said:
Magic rookie year:. 18.0/7.3,/7.7

Simmons rookie year:  15.8/8.2/8.1

In fairness, Magic continued to improve while Simmons is getting up there in age and has probably peaked. :popcorn:
Jason Kidd 17/10/7 in his second year after being drafted.

Ben Simmons 16/8/8 in his second year after being drafted.

Magic Johnson 22/9/9 in his second year after being drafted.

LeBron James 27/7/7 in his second year after being drafted.

Great company but we certainly should compare apples to apples.  I know he didn't play last year but he was receiving NBA level coaching/training.  And he would have played for any team that wasn't tanking.

By the way I think Simmons will be very very good.  Once in a generation?  I'm certainly not ready to go there.  Long-time allstar.  Almost certainly.  Championships?  Who knows.  LeBron?  Probably not.

 
Jayrod said:
I don't know what to expect from this next round.  My heart says that one of either the C's or Houston can make the finals, but my head says we are in for Lebron v. Warriors 4.0.

I think both series go 6 with Cleveland losing to Golden State in 5.  Sucks, but that is where we are at.

Of course, I thought Boston would lose to Philly in 6 and that Toronto had a really good chance to beat Cleveland.
Houston homer hoping for a Boston matchup.  Realist looking at the above scenario.  Home court gives Houston a chance but GS at full strength is prolly too much.  

 
the moops said:
How do you know your shot is broke?

When there is even the slightest possibility of you switching which hand you shoot with
It's so frustrating for him not to even consider it. Give it a good try and worst case scenario is you still can't hit a jumper with either hand.

 
Bobcat10 said:
There is nothing wrong with being a respected and liked assistant coach in the NBA.  Casey will be fine.

Toronto is still in a tough spot even though they did the right thing today.  Let's say Lebron stays in Cle and we know Boston and Phila are on the rise.  They're going to need a miracle to get to the Finals, and maybe even ECF, with Lowry and Derozan leading the team.  Maybe the new coach can improve those odds a little.  They'll continue to rack up regular season wins though, they're built for that.
Please don't go to the Bucks Please don't go to the Bucks Please don't go to the Bucks

 
It's so frustrating for him not to even consider it. Give it a good try and worst case scenario is you still can't hit a jumper with either hand.
It has been mentioned above, but the specifics of his shooting were discussed by Brown today who said they will have a "candid conversation" about his shooting. I don't know how else to interpret it beside they will commit to which hand he will shoot with. i honestly think this has been the plan all along, and i think a lot of people may not agree with it or are frustrated by it (believe me, the pissiness in this thread over Ben is not comparable to the frustration of some of the Sixers' fan-base when he has a wide open 8 -10 footer and would just stand there), but i think Ben trusts Brett and this has been the plan for his rookie year. i am sure it was based on them being closer to a .500 team and maybe sneaking in the playoffs. 

 
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ehh, don't think anybody cries when tanking is mentioned. It occurred, we have all moved on. It was a necessary evil, that luckily enough worked and rescued the organization from years of purgatory and 8 seeds. sure the sports media will always do its thing in Philly, but most have moved on regardless of their opinion on it
maybe not now since it's over but for a long time they did. My beef was they complained about others tanking in other sports but threw every excuse in the book at you for why it was ok for the Sixers. Even if you are a Sixers fan and didn't agree with it or questioned Hinkie you were called not a real fan. Now it's if you don't agree with taking Lebron you aren't. Also now with EMbiid walking off the court after game 5 with shaking anyones hand. The same people who cried about Brady are excusing Lebron on social media. If you are on certain pages on Facebook long enough you tend to see the same people commenting on posts. I've said for awhile Embiid is a talented player but he's incredible immature. He needs to be in the gym working on cardio and stuff and less time trying to make fans on social network sites. If he was on another team they'd be saying he was a poor sport a bum etc. MY point is I've been around 76ers fans long enough over the years that they might be the most whinest bunch of fans of one team in the city. 

 
maybe not now since it's over but for a long time they did. My beef was they complained about others tanking in other sports but threw every excuse in the book at you for why it was ok for the Sixers. Even if you are a Sixers fan and didn't agree with it or questioned Hinkie you were called not a real fan. Now it's if you don't agree with taking Lebron you aren't. Also now with EMbiid walking off the court after game 5 with shaking anyones hand. The same people who cried about Brady are excusing Lebron on social media. If you are on certain pages on Facebook long enough you tend to see the same people commenting on posts. I've said for awhile Embiid is a talented player but he's incredible immature. He needs to be in the gym working on cardio and stuff and less time trying to make fans on social network sites. If he was on another team they'd be saying he was a poor sport a bum etc. MY point is I've been around 76ers fans long enough over the years that they might be the most whinest bunch of fans of one team in the city. 
Wut?

 
the plan all along was to wait until after his second NBA season to start talking about working on his broken jumper?
they talked about his jumper when they drafted him. I remember Brett stating a few times (was nice for him to take brunt of questions and not let the media sink their teeth into Ben just yet) that since Ben has never played PG on a regular basis he really wanted him to not worry at all about his shot, and learn the position of PG first since they thought the transition from college to NBA, along with that position change would take a commitment. 

believe me, Sixers' fans are probably more frustrated by it then average NBA fans. But like the Sixers' have been for the last 4-5 years, they have taken the "long view" in the room. Brett has known Ben since he was a kid, and the way he explains it is that in the best interest of Ben long-term and the life of his career, he doesn't need to do it all at once. Why he couldn't shoot more jumpers or at least 1 3 all season, i have no idea. But the fact that he didn't even attempt one makes me think that it is really a plan from the coaching staff. What kid coming into the NBA, in the middle of a game, if given a shot wouldn't even attempt it? i am sure if nothing changes Ben won't go his whole career without ever attempting a 3. At least i REALLY hope not

 
maybe not now since it's over but for a long time they did. My beef was they complained about others tanking in other sports but threw every excuse in the book at you for why it was ok for the Sixers. Even if you are a Sixers fan and didn't agree with it or questioned Hinkie you were called not a real fan. Now it's if you don't agree with taking Lebron you aren't. Also now with EMbiid walking off the court after game 5 with shaking anyones hand. The same people who cried about Brady are excusing Lebron on social media. If you are on certain pages on Facebook long enough you tend to see the same people commenting on posts. I've said for awhile Embiid is a talented player but he's incredible immature. He needs to be in the gym working on cardio and stuff and less time trying to make fans on social network sites. If he was on another team they'd be saying he was a poor sport a bum etc. MY point is I've been around 76ers fans long enough over the years that they might be the most whinest bunch of fans of one team in the city. 
maybe. I am not as aware of the whole fan-base as maybe others are. i think no one cares about the Phillies unless they are good (so yes a portion is front-runner, and i definitely am because baseball is boring), and Flyers fans have their own characteristics too. i do agree with you about there being a difference between fans of the Sixers the last 4-5 years and the one's who jumped on this year. But at this point, we are all in the same boat.

and sorry, i got lost on a ramble too. really, only went to reply that yeah Embiid is immature. Many 22-23 year-old people are to varying degrees. His diet and other things needs to get sharper, and i was pleased to hear him admit it in his press-conference. he is aware, just not a huge need right now. I do think he will get there, and having a guy like Lebron (doesn't matter at all how people think he is, can't deny the fact that the guy has learned to care for his body and the longevity of an NBA career) would probably benefit Embiid quite a bit. I think fans don't care a ton because he has time to get there.

As for caring about the not shaking hands after the game, we are comparing an immature early 20s kid to a veteran closing in on 40. When i was early 20s i would say "f the world too" now little older with a kid, i probably think it out a bit more. And i know @Capella referenced earlier that my posts are often not objective, and yeah, during the heat of a game they won't be (probably outside of games too). i am a fan, not an analyst. Embiid is fine walking off not shaking hands, Brady is a petulant child who can't catch a pass. Double standard, sure. i am fine admitting it, but still support "my guy" and dislike the opponent

ETA: @DJackson10you must be growing on me. wrote too much to probably just say 1 or 2 things.   :suds:

 
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maybe. I am not as aware of the whole fan-base as maybe others are. i think no one cares about the Phillies unless they are good (so yes a portion is front-runner, and i definitely am because baseball is boring), and Flyers fans have their own characteristics too. i do agree with you about there being a difference between fans of the Sixers the last 4-5 years and the one's who jumped on this year. But at this point, we are all in the same boat.

and sorry, i got lost on a ramble too. really, only went to reply that yeah Embiid is immature. Many 22-23 year-old people are to varying degrees. His diet and other things needs to get sharper, and i was pleased to hear him admit it in his press-conference. he is aware, just not a huge need right now. I do think he will get there, and having a guy like Lebron (doesn't matter at all how people think he is, can't deny the fact that the guy has learned to care for his body and the longevity of an NBA career) would probably benefit Embiid quite a bit. I think fans don't care a ton because he has time to get there.

As for caring about the not shaking hands after the game, we are comparing an immature early 20s kid to a veteran closing in on 40. When i was early 20s i would say "f the world too" now little older with a kid, i probably think it out a bit more. And i know @Capella referenced earlier that my posts are often not objective, and yeah, during the heat of a game they won't be (probably outside of games too). i am a fan, not an analyst. Embiid is fine walking off not shaking hands, Brady is a petulant child who can't catch a pass. Double standard, sure. i am fine admitting it, but still support "my guy" and dislike the opponent

ETA: @DJackson10you must be growing on me. wrote too much to probably just say 1 or 2 things.   :suds:
I'm more so talking about fans in general with the 76ers. I would say theres maybe 8-10k who are big fans. The people who accounted for most of the attendance during their Tanking. Before I forget I hated people referring to the Tank as "The Process" and hearing analyst all year especially national people refer to it bugged me especially when many called the team out while it was going on. 

As for Embiid yes it was nice to see him be aware of his issues it's another to take action. As for his immaturity and I haven't seen your other posts since Monday or anyone else (Was suspended and can't figure out which post it was) but I've argued to people excusing age is just enabling these young guys. Like it or not these kids are working a profession. When you get out of college and work your 9-5 job or whatever and are immature is your boss and people just gonna excuse that for your age and being young or are they gonna go after you for not being professional? Embiid chose to become a professional and represent and team. Be the bigger man (Pun not intended) shake hands and move on. Yes definitely double standard but people shouldn't get upset with Embiid being called out. I think the age excuse only enables some of these young athletes behavior. Your a professional now and represent a global company, act like it. 

When you get to know me you'll know despite my posts I mean well. I don't always put out what I mean in a great way all the time which doesn't help and yes I get caught up in the heat of the moment as well. If you think I'm bad now with my 76ers or Lebron hate you better hope he doesn't sign with Philly this offseason. The only other thing I'll say in the Lebron/MJ debate is we take fr granted MJ's stats then to what they could be today. We don't think MJ would've put up better numbers overall with todays rules just like some guys today's numbers overall would decline because of rules especially the bigs? I think that should be taken into account and unlike some other people that's the last I will say on that topic for awhile

None of this is me trolling, jealously, etc of the Sixers either. I tried to get into them after MJ left the Bulls the final time (You know give the hometown team a chance type thing) and just couldn't get into them. I'm just more into stopping the double standard since our sports fanbase is always complaining about other teams fans in sports doing similar things. You know the term people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. 

 
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they talked about his jumper when they drafted him. I remember Brett stating a few times (was nice for him to take brunt of questions and not let the media sink their teeth into Ben just yet) that since Ben has never played PG on a regular basis he really wanted him to not worry at all about his shot, and learn the position of PG first since they thought the transition from college to NBA, along with that position change would take a commitment. 

believe me, Sixers' fans are probably more frustrated by it then average NBA fans. But like the Sixers' have been for the last 4-5 years, they have taken the "long view" in the room. Brett has known Ben since he was a kid, and the way he explains it is that in the best interest of Ben long-term and the life of his career, he doesn't need to do it all at once. Why he couldn't shoot more jumpers or at least 1 3 all season, i have no idea. But the fact that he didn't even attempt one makes me think that it is really a plan from the coaching staff. What kid coming into the NBA, in the middle of a game, if given a shot wouldn't even attempt it? i am sure if nothing changes Ben won't go his whole career without ever attempting a 3. At least i REALLY hope not
My thing with Simmons is he looks almost petrified to shoot. Even in college he had open looks and passed them up. Is this more then just a mechanical thing and also more of a physiological problem? Maybe that's why Brown didn't want him to focus on shooting? I'll tell you one thing though. If Ben can't shoot his whole career it makes it way easier to defend him unless 3 of the other spots get shooters to go along with him and Embiid. You'll see more people defend Simmons and the Sixers like Boston did. 

 
maybe not now since it's over but for a long time they did. My beef was they complained about others tanking in other sports but threw every excuse in the book at you for why it was ok for the Sixers. Even if you are a Sixers fan and didn't agree with it or questioned Hinkie you were called not a real fan. Now it's if you don't agree with taking Lebron you aren't. Also now with EMbiid walking off the court after game 5 with shaking anyones hand. The same people who cried about Brady are excusing Lebron on social media. If you are on certain pages on Facebook long enough you tend to see the same people commenting on posts. I've said for awhile Embiid is a talented player but he's incredible immature. He needs to be in the gym working on cardio and stuff and less time trying to make fans on social network sites. If he was on another team they'd be saying he was a poor sport a bum etc. MY point is I've been around 76ers fans long enough over the years that they might be the most whinest bunch of fans of one team in the city. 
I don't think any sentence in this connects to the prior sentence.

 
I don't believe you.
cliff notes:

1) Sixers' fans are just as aware as NBA fans that Simmons needs to work on his jumper, and Sixers' fans are probably little more frustrated then the NBA fans. But Sixers' fans also understand the value of the "long view" and are willing to give the kid a chance

2) Embiid didn't shake Celtics' players hands after the game. Celtics' players are salty about it (calling him out for not being "a man" with anonymous quotes). SIxers' fans understand it is immature, and as a fan it is ok to give Embiid a pass for this, and still mock Brady for walking off the field after the SB and not shaking Foles' hand. Honestly i don't blame Brady either, Foles and the Eagles did embarass him. but that is kind of the definition of what a "fan" is. And i think that is ok, as long as it isn't a permanent, unbending stance.

at least i think that is what is up there......i do know there is no MJ vs. Lebron 

 
I’m going to be in Philly on Wednesday for work, short trip as I fly in early morning and then fly to Denver at night. I have meeting with clients but I could squeeze in an hour for Philly FBGs to teach you how to properly use then and than in sentences. Should only take 15 minutes for you meatheads to figure it out provided I have a white board and then we can discuss whether you think Lebron is a better player than MJ.

 
I’m going to be in Philly on Wednesday for work, short trip as I fly in early morning and then fly to Denver at night. I have meeting with clients but I could squeeze in an hour for Philly FBGs to teach you how to properly use then and than in sentences. Should only take 15 minutes for you meatheads to figure it out provided I have a white board and then we can discuss whether you think Lebron is a better player than MJ.
I don't think they know the word than actually exists.

 
I’m going to be in Philly on Wednesday for work, short trip as I fly in early morning and then fly to Denver at night. I have meeting with clients but I could squeeze in an hour for Philly FBGs to teach you how to properly use then and than in sentences. Should only take 15 minutes for you meatheads to figure it out provided I have a white board and then we can discuss whether you think Lebron is a better player than MJ.
by which i assume you mean a celtics fan site?

 
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