Bobcat10
Footballguy
Did they simply use the restricted area as an excuse to get to the monitor to make the "right" call on the block/charge? Never going to know what really happened here. But it sure smells funny.
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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (2 Viewers)
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PlasmaDogPlasma
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Honestly that call only stands out because it was reviewed. It was a close call and not near the worst of the game.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't think it does. I am not sure where people are getting he was 4 feet in front of the restricted area. It looks like about 2 feet and he was in the restricted area before he jumped to the spot to try to take the charge.
Plus with both refs calling different fouls and having to talk it out, I can easily see how they forgot to check if he was in the restricted area.
There are so many possible explaninations it would take forever to talk them all out, but it being shady is at the bottom.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
It stands out cause it completely changed the game after they reversed a call they had no business reviewing in the first place.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
When is the last time you saw a review of whether a guy was in the restricted area? Not only that, using to reverse a call on the floor while they are at it.
I believe this was the first.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
It isn't, you just don't watch basketball that often. They changed the rule 2 or 3 years ago.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not to mention, that's an offensive foul anyway. In super slow mo Bron was moving a little bit. In real time that is as close to motionless as it gets, much like EVERY charge ever. A reversal was just silly.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Please find me an instance where a charge was called, they reviewed the restricted area, then changed the call on the floor during the review. I'll wait.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
We know you thought it was a charge, we know who you root for. I have no problem with the call either way, something had to be called and it was so close that 2 refs called a foul at the same time and had a different call.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am not finding you ####, find it yourself. I remember a regular season game or 2 when it happened, but I don't remember which one. This is by far the biggest and most important time it happened.
Edit: plus if that was the 1st time it was ever called ESPN and everyone who is a Cavs fan would be all over that angle and how every one has it in for them and the league is rigged.
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Bobcat10
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
You seem to be dying on a hill near Just Win Baby. There are plenty of non Cavs/Warriors fans here and everywhere debating this sequence of events.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Could you imagine if they reviewed every 3 point make if the player was 2 feet away from the 3 point line?
If there were two refs making the block/charge call, that's double the eyes on the play in question.
This is really ridiculous and has nothing to do with being a Cavs fan.
If there were two refs making the block/charge call, that's double the eyes on the play in question.
This is really ridiculous and has nothing to do with being a Cavs fan.
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msudaisy26
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TobiasFunke
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Turns out there's data on this. 32 restricted area reviews that looked at block/charge since the league started putting out LTM reports three years ago, 9 overturned. So it's rare but not unprecedented. But I still think this one was pretty egregious considering (1) it looked like pretty close to a 50/50 call, and (2) they shouldn't have been reviewing in the first place since LeBron wasn't anywhere near the restricted area.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I'm sure there's a scintillating chess tournament out there that's more your speed.
encaitar
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
They referenced this last night in the post game. Said that Durant had this happen to him the opposite way earlier this year. I can't confirm that, but the folks on ESPN were jawing about it.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Not true. Watch the play again. Durant stood there like a statue, JR gave him the subtle "veteran nudge" with his elbow and hip, and grabbed the board. JR made a good play. Durant looked like a stiff.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
The back of one of his heels was barely on the line for like a half second. Never at any other point during the entire sequence was he in the restricted area. If you dispute that, then you aren't looking at the same play. The move away from the line was very clear and well before the contact. Four eyes were on this, heck maybe all six. There is no question they made an error going to the table.
encaitar
Footballguy
Durant's pretty lucky that JR didn't know the game situation. Had JR put it back up and scored immediately, the talking heads would be destroying his lack of effort on that box out there.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Durant looked like he signaled with his finger to have it replayed a few seconds after the call too.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
The ball hit the front of the rim and came off fast before Durant could react. Durant's positioning was fine, sometimes rebounds are screwy.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Everyone will see things differently. When I saw it, it looked to me to be a block for multiple reasons. LeBron was 1) still moving and neither of his feet were set. 2) moving forward TOWARD KD, 3) not square to the player moving to the basket (not perpendicular), 4) leaning his shoulder into KD to initiate contact (with both of LeBron's feet moving).
One ref called it a block, one ref called it a charge. The ref that called it a block had a perfect view and could see LeBron was still moving. The one that called it a charge had two players screening his view.
I don't know what the rules are on reviews and how or why they review things in the last two minutes, but ultimately IMO they got the call right. However, whichever way they called it on the court, if it wasn't reviewed, would not have been a terrible call either way. Those types of plays in crunch time are always tough to make, as either team will gripe that the refs blew the call and cost them the game.
I don't love that the rules change in the last two minutes. Maybe basketball needs to go the way of football and allow for a couple of challenges during the game. Not sure how they could implement that. Maybe if a team loses a challenge they lose a timeout and get charged a technical or lose possession of the ball.
Worm
slimy ninja
Colangelo.
Though props for JR for sticking to his story. To be the best liar you can be you have to first convince yourself.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
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Teams are teams....can`t keep saying "James needs more help, Harden needs more help, Westbrook needs more help." Everybody needs more help.
Capella
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Th LeBron never has help narrative is getting old. He played with Ray Allen (HOFer), D-Wade (100% chance of being a HOFer according to Basketball Reference), and Chris Bosh (99.5% to make the HOF) in MIA. With CLE, Love has a 676.% to make the HOF and Kyrie 36.4% so far.
When the season started, the Cavs had a former MVP in D-Rose, Wade, IT (2nd team All NBA last year), and Corver (an all star a few years ago). It's not like the Cavs had nobody. Not sure why they made all the trades they did to get rid of players with more experience or had done something in the playoffs. LeBron contributed to the roster as much as anyone else.
Capella
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
most of those guys are HOFers because they played on a team with Lebron. Take Lebron out of the equation and good luck getting anybody but maybe Wade in the HOF
Capella
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
in 5 minute spurts against the 6'ers in the playoffs, he can hold his own. I would take him ahead of the rest of the Cavs I think
Capella
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Did not say that. James is a great player but James is so ball dominant that it is difficult for others to stay involved. Basically why Irving left.
Last night watch how little movement the Cavs had in the offensive zone.
James could score 60 or 70 and the Cavs would still have a good chance of losing.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I like when Lebron says "my players" when he means "my teammates". Guy totally calls the shots and doesn't tiptoe around it. I used to dislike that about him, but now I actually respect it.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Mo, you are better than this. The NBA HoF isn't that difficult. Ray Allen was already in before playing with LBJ, so was Wade. Bosh was likely, but we can call that 5050, the jury is still out on Kyrie and Love, but I lean towards no on Love because he seems to be breaking down fast.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That isn't why Kyrie left. He was involved a ton. The reason they stand around with little movement is because they are trying to slow the game down, they can't run with the Warriors and stay in the game.
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