2017 ACC Sports (1 Viewer)

[NutterButter]

Yeah Duval isn't coming back to probably sit behind tre jones. If he can keep playing like he played today he'll get in the first round.

But he's gone either way. Don't see Trent staying either. He won't be picked high but he also wouldn't be a lock to start

I think it might be the difference between higher ceiling vs current game.   I see Trent being a much better player at the moment.  I really like his game.   I wish he'd stick around for another year like was the case with Tyus Jones b/c I really liked him game, but I know that he's gone.  

 

[NutterButter]

Well, you know how it works; a lot of picks are made on pure potential.  There was no earthly reason anyone should have drafted rent-a-guard Frank Jackson last year but he was what, one or two picks shy of the first round.  GMs will figure Duval might learn to shoot and defend; meanwhile, he can certainly get up and down and make laser passes.  And no chance he risks coming back and losing time to Tre Jones.  Trent should stay but he's shown more than Jackson so he'll jump too.  Zero chance Bolden even declares IMO.  He'll be the guy inside next season surrounded by Tre and the top three recruits in the country. 

Meanwhile, this year's team looks outstanding.  

From what I remember Jackson wasn't expecting to declare but then he looked really good at those pre draft workouts and his stock shot up.  Plus I think some relative was filling his head up.

 

[TLEF316]

From what I remember Jackson wasn't expecting to declare but then he looked really good at those pre draft workouts and his stock shot up.  Plus I think some relative was filling his head up.

Apparently Jackson's trainer/aau coach was a big influence.

They didn't like the fact that he didn't get the keys as the PG from day one and they REALLY didn't like that duke recruited Duval to come in and play "his" spot. He made like 3 good plays in the scrimmage at the combine and tested well athletically (which allegedly caused several teams to give him first round promises, which were obviously BS) and that was that.

And it's kinda irrelevant anyway because he broke his foot and hasn't played all year

 

[Aerial Assault]

From what I remember Jackson wasn't expecting to declare but then he looked really good at those pre draft workouts and his stock shot up.  Plus I think some relative was filling his head up.

Right - his dad, a former Utah state senator.  They didn't like Kennard and were unhappy Frank wasn't playing the point.  I also believe they hid a small stress reaction that later became a fracture.  Frank was supposedly very entitled and was, if so, likely part of the (total absence of) chemistry issue last season.  I don't think the program much misses him.  

 

[Worm]

Go home ACC, you're drunk.

 

[apalmer]

So looks like Pitt is hiring Jeff Capel.  Fill me in, Dukies: should I be high-fiving other PItt fans or preparing myself for more Stallings-type results?

 

[jfranco77]

So looks like Pitt is hiring Jeff Capel.  Fill me in, Dukies: should I be high-fiving other PItt fans or preparing myself for more Stallings-type results?

He was supposed to be Coach K's eventual successor. Not sure if his stock fell or he got impatient or he just really likes Primanti Brothers?

 

[Worm]

Chris Mack to Louisville, 7 years at $4 mil per. 

 

[NutterButter]

He was supposed to be Coach K's eventual successor. Not sure if his stock fell or he got impatient or he just really likes Primanti Brothers?

Might have something in the contract that he can bolt if the Duke job is offered to him.  

 

[NutterButter]

So looks like Pitt is hiring Jeff Capel.  Fill me in, Dukies: should I be high-fiving other PItt fans or preparing myself for more Stallings-type results?

That's really hard to replicate

 

[apalmer]

That's really hard to replicate

Well, someone could always drop a nuke on campus and pretty much get the same results.

 

[TLEF316]

On the fence with Capel. His recruiting of the elite one and done types was obviously his main skill. Putting aside the accusations (mostly from crazy UK and UNC fans) that he's the "bag man" paying all the elite recruits at Duke, his relationship building abilities are well known. He's a younger (43), black former player who does a great job relating to kids.

Even with him there, I can't imagine he's going to be able to get that level of kid at Pitt. He'll still recruit at a much higher level than what they've been getting though.

I have my doubts about his actual coaching skills. When he has stepped in for K the past couple of years (when K was sick/hurt) I didn't like his demeanor. Just constant terrible body language, making ridiculous faces. Just always seems like he's panicking. Rubbed me the wrong way.

As for him leaving Duke, it will clearly impact their recruiting. They've done a decent job prepping for this by allowing Jon Scheyer to be the lead guy on some high profile recruits but they'll still need to adjust. It will probably lead to them targeting fewer one and dones, which i think is a good thing.  I really think getting like 2 of those guys a year is the sweet spot. Fill in the rest of the roster with guys in the 25-75 range and develop a team. I also worry that Scheyer is now the top guy on the staff (he's clearly ahead of Nate James, who nobody can actually tell what he brings to the table).  Who in that room will have any sort of ability to question K on anything now?

 

[NutterButter]

On the fence with Capel. His recruiting of the elite one and done types was obviously his main skill. Putting aside the accusations (mostly from crazy UK and UNC fans) that he's the "bag man" paying all the elite recruits at Duke, his relationship building abilities are well known. He's a younger (43), black former player who does a great job relating to kids.

Even with him there, I can't imagine he's going to be able to get that level of kid at Pitt. He'll still recruit at a much higher level than what they've been getting though.

I have my doubts about his actual coaching skills. When he has stepped in for K the past couple of years (when K was sick/hurt) I didn't like his demeanor. Just constant terrible body language, making ridiculous faces. Just always seems like he's panicking. Rubbed me the wrong way.

As for him leaving Duke, it will clearly impact their recruiting. They've done a decent job prepping for this by allowing Jon Scheyer to be the lead guy on some high profile recruits but they'll still need to adjust. It will probably lead to them targeting fewer one and dones, which i think is a good thing.  I really think getting like 2 of those guys a year is the sweet spot. Fill in the rest of the roster with guys in the 25-75 range and develop a team. I also worry that Scheyer is now the top guy on the staff (he's clearly ahead of Nate James, who nobody can actually tell what he brings to the table).  Who in that room will have any sort of ability to question K on anything now?

What impact has Nolan Smith had on recruiting?  What's your thoughts on Hurley being the next Duke coach?

 

[TLEF316]

What impact has Nolan Smith had on recruiting?  What's your thoughts on Hurley being the next Duke coach?

Nolan isn't an official assistant so he can't recruit off campus yet.  Seems like he's going to fill capels spot though. He's obviously a charasimatic dude, so I imagine he'll do well.

No opinion on Hurley at this point. His team collapsed in conference play this year.

 

[Tau837]

Might have something in the contract that he can bolt if the Duke job is offered to him.  

As an opposing ACC fan, I endorse the idea of Capel replacing K. Can we go ahead and put that into effect now?

 

[apalmer]

Even with him there, I can't imagine he's going to be able to get that level of kid at Pitt. He'll still recruit at a much higher level than what they've been getting though.

If he gets 1/8th of the recruits at Pitt as he did at Duke, he'll be at a higher level than Pitt has ever been.  We've had something like 3 McDonald's AAs in the last 30 years, and our only one and done was a guy from New Zealand that nobody else knew about and Dixon landed because of family ties.  When Pitt moved to the ACC, I was afraid it would mean bad things for recruiting because the NY/Philly/DC pipeline that fueled our Big East run wouldn't be as interested and it seems like that is exactly what happened.  Hopefully, Capel can now change the focus to ACC-style recruits.

 

[Aerial Assault]

So looks like Pitt is hiring Jeff Capel.  Fill me in, Dukies: should I be high-fiving other PItt fans or preparing myself for more Stallings-type results?

Well . . . I'm not sure who else was interested.  From my personal perspective, when Scheyer was first linked with the job I groaned because I thought he might take it and that saddened me greatly, whereas with Capel leaving I'm pretty excited about who will replace him and how Duke recruits moving forward.  So that might tell you something.  I like Jeff a LOT and once met his dad (pure class) for a media thing, but I've never been comfortable with the idea of Capel as K's automatic successor, so to the extent that this means that's less likely (which I think is clear), that's great AFAIC.  

For Pitt, I think it's a fine hire.  He will recruit a few names and coach better than Stallings did.  I don't think he's the next Jamie Dixon, though. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

If he gets 1/8th of the recruits at Pitt as he did at Duke, he'll be at a higher level than Pitt has ever been.  We've had something like 3 McDonald's AAs in the last 30 years, and our only one and done was a guy from New Zealand that nobody else knew about and Dixon landed because of family ties.  When Pitt moved to the ACC, I was afraid it would mean bad things for recruiting because the NY/Philly/DC pipeline that fueled our Big East run wouldn't be as interested and it seems like that is exactly what happened.  Hopefully, Capel can now change the focus to ACC-style recruits.

Pitt needs to get back to recruiting NYC. That’s when they seemed to have good tough teams. 

 

[apalmer]

Pitt needs to get back to recruiting NYC. That’s when they seemed to have good tough teams. 

The trouble is that they got the "second-level" NYC kids in large part because of the attractiveness of the Big East there.  Lots of nearby (or locally televised) games at Seton Hall, St. John's, 'Cuse, Nova, etc., annual tournament at MSG in front of the home folks, all played into it.  Playing in NC, VA & FL...not so much.  Sure, there will be one or two elite recruits who are looking for the best place to showcase their talent for the NBA and don't care as much about local exposure, but they're going to blueblood schools, not Pitt.

 

[Nigel]

My 15 yo son had some lax games in Chapel Hill on Saturday, flew down Thurs night from Boston and made a mini vacation out of it.

Without knowing anything about it I booked us a Friday tee time at the Duke Golf Club. Had not swung it since October and played like #### but man what a gem of a course! Toured the Duke campus afterwards, then went to the Duke/UNC lax game, a 12/11 OT win for Duke - an intense, physical game and electric atmosphere. Two of UNC’s players played for my son’s club team and met with the team afterwards/went to their games the next day. Son had three games Sat morning that were done by noon. We were hoping to play the Finley course at UNC afterwards but couldn’t get on, so went back and played another 18 at Duke, then toured the UNC campus. Finished the day with dinner at TOPO while watching the Final Four games, flew home early Sun. An epic father/son boondoggle. 

Takeaways: I hate Duke less than I did a week ago, met/golfed with some very cool Dookies. Both campuses are beautiful. And I really hope one of my kids ends up going to either one of the schools. 

 

[BassNBrew]

Paging all Carolina fans. looks like my boys have been cheating the whole time we’ve been pointing our finger at you and calling you cheaters

 

[Tau837]

Paging all Carolina fans. looks like my boys have been cheating the whole time we’ve been pointing our finger at you and calling you cheaters

Assume you are referencing State as your boys. Looks like DSJ was paid, and one or more coaches knew. That amounts to 1 season. So spare me the "whole time" bit, when UNC ran its sham classes for decades.

If the coaches weren't already gone, they should be fired. If anyone remains who was complicit, he/she should be fired. The 15 wins from 2016-17 should be vacated. Punishment beyond that would be surprising IMO, unless it goes beyond DSJ into some kind of pattern.

 

[BassNBrew]

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/2017-18/misc_non_event/April12overallDI.pdf

suck it Duke

 

[Tau837]

I don't recall ever seeing roster turnover like has happened under Keatts. In his second season, if there are no additional roster changes :

• There will be just 2 players remaining who were recruited/signed by Gottfried: Dorn and Johnson.
  
• There will be just 3 players remaining who played during the 2017-18 season: Dorn, Johnson, and Beverly.
  
• Of the 13 scholarship players, 9 transferred to State from another program.
  

I realize that Keatts coached at Hargrave, where the entire roster turned over every season... but I wasn't expecting this extreme when he took over at State.

That said, the roster looks good:

• 3 PGs (Johnson, Beverly, Harris), 3 SGs (Daniels, Bryce, Lockett), 2 SFs (Dorn, Hellems), 4 PFs (Killeya-Jones, Funderburk, Steere, Bates), 1 C (Walker).
  
• Remaining player eligibility is balanced: 1 year remaining (2), 2 years remaining (4), 3 years remaining (4), 4 years remaining (3).
  
• It certainly appears that the roster is constructed with players who better fit Keatts' system than the roster in his first season.
  

 

 

[Worm]

I don't recall ever seeing roster turnover like has happened under Keatts. In his second season, if there are no additional roster changes :

• There will be just 2 players remaining who were recruited/signed by Gottfried: Dorn and Johnson.
  
• There will be just 3 players remaining who played during the 2017-18 season: Dorn, Johnson, and Beverly.
  
• Of the 13 scholarship players, 9 transferred to State from another program.
  

I realize that Keatts coached at Hargrave, where the entire roster turned over every season... but I wasn't expecting this extreme when he took over at State.

That said, the roster looks good:

• 3 PGs (Johnson, Beverly, Harris), 3 SGs (Daniels, Bryce, Lockett), 2 SFs (Dorn, Hellems), 4 PFs (Killeya-Jones, Funderburk, Steere, Bates), 1 C (Walker).
  
• Remaining player eligibility is balanced: 1 year remaining (2), 2 years remaining (4), 3 years remaining (4), 4 years remaining (3).
  
• It certainly appears that the roster is constructed with players who better fit Keatts' system than the roster in his first season.
  

 

I'm excited about a lot of the new guys, Daniels and Bryce in particular. It was widely reported that Daniels was the best player in practice last year on a regular basis.

Unfortunately Killeya-Jones has to sit out this year b/c of transfer rules.