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2017 College Football Thread: Hawaiian QB devastated to find out Jesus was "kinda rooting for Georgia" (1 Viewer)

LAUNCH said:
You said you didn't get the consternation.  I presented you with a fact based answer so you would get it.   The only reason they put this FIFA commission together is so they can make the rules to fit whatever they want to sell that year. 
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It's not a fact based answer.  They look at the entire picture. Your mistake is thinking each situation is the same every year. 

 
Capella said:
It's not a fact based answer.  They look at the entire picture. Your mistake is thinking each situation is the same every year. 
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I made no mistake.  The exact point I was making was that they change their criteria based on what they want the answer to be.  It is corruption at its finest. 

“Just when they think they got the answers, I change the questions."

    -Roddy Piper

 
Capella said:
Yea, the AFC South winner shouldn't get in. It's dumb. 

I don't think the committee has missed one of these final selections yet. I feel like they've done a good job. I don't get the consternation. 
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Ahem.

The AFC South would get TWO teams in if season today. Why? Because the AFC North is 0-4 vs the Jaguars.  And only one of those games was played in Jacs6onville.

Which division is trash?

 
Politician Spock said:
Neither should any of the big 5 conferences either. Every now and then an 8-4 team is going to pull a rabbit out of their hat to end up as a big 5 conference champ, and we don't need some 11-1 team left out of the playoff because they got an autobid. 
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With three at large bids you won’t have an 11-1 left out

 
LAUNCH said:
You said you didn't get the consternation.  I presented you with a fact based answer so you would get it.   The only reason they put this FIFA commission together is so they can make the rules to fit whatever they want to sell that year. 
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The only rule is to pick 4 teams for the playoff based on the current season. There is no criteria beyond that. The whole point of this is to get humans in a room who aren't bound by a bunch of dumb rules and they can just use their critical thinking skills. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Politician Spock said:
Neither should any of the big 5 conferences either. Every now and then an 8-4 team is going to pull a rabbit out of their hat to end up as a big 5 conference champ, and we don't need some 11-1 team left out of the playoff because they got an autobid. 
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With three at large bids you won’t have an 11-1 left out
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I disagree. Look at 2015 for example. This is what an 8 team playoff with the big 5 getting autobids would have looked like:

  1. Clemson 13-0 (ACC Champ)
  2. Alabama 12-1 (SEC Champ)
  3. Michigan State 12-1 (Big 10 Champ)
  4. Oklahoma 11-1 (Big 12 Champ)
  5. Stanford 11-2 (Pac 10 Champ)
  6. Iowa 11-1 (at large)
  7. Ohio State 11-1 (at large)
  8. Houston at 12-1 (at large)
If North Carolina (11-2) had upset Clemson in the ACC championship, then a one loss team (probably Houston) is getting bumped as Clemson at 12-1 is certainly getting an at large spot.

And if Alabama had beaten Ole Miss earlier in the season, but lost to Florida (10-3) in the SEC championship game, then either Alabama (12-1) sits out, or Iowa (11-1) does, or Ohio State (11-1) does. 

The fact that the Big 12 has added a championship game makes it even easier for #### like that to happen. 

Unlike Cappy, I am all for an 8 team playoff, but I absolutely am opposed to conference autobids. 

 
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Politician Spock said:
I disagree. Look at 2015 for example. This is what an 8 team playoff with the big 5 getting autobids would have looked like:

  1. Clemson 13-0 (ACC Champ)
  2. Alabama 12-1 (SEC Champ)
  3. Michigan State 12-1 (Big 10 Champ)
  4. Oklahoma 11-1 (Big 12 Champ)
  5. Stanford 11-2 (Pac 10 Champ)
  6. Iowa 11-1 (at large)
  7. Ohio State 11-1 (at large)
  8. Houston at 12-1 (at large)
If North Carolina (11-2) had upset Clemson in the ACC championship, then a one loss team (probably Houston) is getting bumped as Clemson at 12-1 is certainly getting an at large spot.

And if Alabama had beaten Ole Miss earlier in the season, but lost to Florida (10-3) in the SEC championship game, then either Alabama (12-1) sits out, or Iowa (11-1) does, or Ohio State (11-1) does. 

The fact that the Big 12 has added a championship game makes it even easier for #### like that to happen. 

Unlike Cappy, I am all for an 8 team playoff, but I absolutely am opposed to conference autobids. 
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A whole lot of ifs to show it’s likely to never happen

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
A whole lot of ifs to show it’s likely to never happen
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:lmao:

IIRC, a three loss Florida team was in the SEC championship game recently. 

If big 5 conferences get an auto bid into a 8 team playoff, then simply being better than the other six teams in your conference division is a ticket to the "sweet 16". 

 
Politician Spock said:
Unlike Cappy, I am all for an 8 team playoff, but I absolutely am opposed to conference autobids. 
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The reason, I think, you need conference autobids is because there's so few interconference games. Its really difficult to know, therefore, whether the Big Ten is better than the Pac 12 or the ACC, etc. So a 3 loss Big Ten champ may be a better team than an undefeated Pac 12 champ. 

Autobids solve that problem. 

 
gump said:
Just to pile on Meyer...he often gets compared to Saban.  This was the 2nd time in the last 10 games that Meyer's team has lost by 31 points.  Saban's largest loss in 10 years at Alabama is 14 pts.
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was that the Sugar Bowl in 2014? 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
That was gonna be my personal answer except it's not just the conference it's Oklahoma doesn't play defense.  But a November/December with three wins over Oklahoma St/TCU and win at Ohio State certainly is resume worthy.

I also think Clemson would get benefit of the doubt being defending champs (and their QB missed half of the game they lost) and Notre Dame's name will help them.
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There was a press conference today where Lincoln Riley just said that the argument that OU or the BIG 12 do not play defense is just an uneducated point.  Riley went on a rant about look at the records in bowl games.  Look at conferences who gave up the most points in bowl games.   Playing in the BIG 12 is going to make a defense look bad week in and week out.  I think he might be lobbying his team? 

 
whoknew said:
The reason, I think, you need conference autobids is because there's so few interconference games. Its really difficult to know, therefore, whether the Big Ten is better than the Pac 12 or the ACC, etc. So a 3 loss Big Ten champ may be a better team than an undefeated Pac 12 champ. 

Autobids solve that problem. 
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If a three loss team is the best team in the country, then it sucks for them that they lost three times. It's not a problem that needs solved. 

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
There was a press conference today where Lincoln Riley just said that the argument that OU or the BIG 12 do not play defense is just an uneducated point.  Riley went on a rant about look at the records in bowl games.  Look at conferences who gave up the most points in bowl games.   Playing in the BIG 12 is going to make a defense look bad week in and week out.  I think he might be lobbying his team? 
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They were laughing at this interview in college football live.  Hard to argue that the conference plays good defense when yours have up over 50 points this last weekend... and still won by 2 scores.   That also led them into chatting about the big 12’s lack of success in the playoffs so far.  

 
bigmarc27 said:
They were laughing at this interview in college football live.  Hard to argue that the conference plays good defense when yours have up over 50 points this last weekend... and still won by 2 scores.   That also led them into chatting about the big 12’s lack of success in the playoffs so far.  
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OU held OSU to 16 on the road  :shrug:

 
Dickie Dunn said:
True, but the computers don't seem to care about single head-to-head, for whatever reason. Case in point: Penn State > Ohio State > Oklahoma.

And likewise, Sagarin also still has Va. Tech a spot ahead of Miami, even though Miami's SOS is better. It's weird really, really stupid.
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ETA: YOU aren't stupid.  I'm not saying that.  But the idea that on-field results don't matter as much as some idiot algorithm is.

 
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bigmarc27 said:
They were laughing at this interview in college football live.  Hard to argue that the conference plays good defense when yours have up over 50 points this last weekend... and still won by 2 scores.   That also led them into chatting about the big 12’s lack of success in the playoffs so far.  
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lol at lack of success in the playoffs so far. Literally one game. Massive sample. Computer overload.  

Plenty of schools in the Big 12 are just fine on defense. OU is not one of them (obviously), but they do have one of the best offenses in the history of the sport, so, you know, that's good. I thought OU's defense was actually not that bad (for them) against OSU. Got a stop at the end of the game to seal it and held OSU scoreless for the entire 3rd quarter. Good enough. There's more to it than just the total score. Don't get me wrong, OSU still averaged 7.5 yards per play, but that's not that far off their season average. 

 
Other than tcu (who is legitimately awesome), what plenty of big 12 schools are fine on defense?

tcu comes in #3 in s&p and then... :tumbleweed:  

Iowa State is 22

Texas is 29

Then we have to go to 67 for OSU 

Then you don't get another one till KSU at 79. So the 5th best D in the conference is basically 80th nationally. 

OU comes in at 115. No way they can win a title with a D that bad. 

 
You just listed three that I would say are fine this year. Also, we're talking about more than just 2017 if we are talking about the Big 12's lack of success in the playoff, no? This is the same conversation that happens every year. In general WVU has had good defenses over the past few years, as has Oklahoma State. I am not that familiar with S&P+ ratings - I'd imagine that if your schedule is full of top offenses it will hurt your defensive rating. I think the Big 12 defenses would rate a lot better if they didn't have to play all of the Big 12 offenses, just like the SEC offenses would rate better if they didn't have to play all of the SEC defenses.  :shrug:

Per your S&P+ rankings, Bedlam was two of the top three offenses in CFB, the other being UCF. Were people expecting a low-scoring game or something? I don't think anyone expects OU to win the title, so I am right there with you.  

 
Moe. said:
You just listed three that I would say are fine this year. Also, we're talking about more than just 2017 if we are talking about the Big 12's lack of success in the playoff, no? This is the same conversation that happens every year. In general WVU has had good defenses over the past few years, as has Oklahoma State. I am not that familiar with S&P+ ratings - I'd imagine that if your schedule is full of top offenses it will hurt your defensive rating. I think the Big 12 defenses would rate a lot better if they didn't have to play all of the Big 12 offenses, just like the SEC offenses would rate better if they didn't have to play all of the SEC defenses.  :shrug:

Per your S&P+ rankings, Bedlam was two of the top three offenses in CFB, the other being UCF. Were people expecting a low-scoring game or something? I don't think anyone expects OU to win the title, so I am right there with you.  




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yup

 
No. Big 12 offenses are helped significantly more by playing B12 defenses than flipping the two. 

If you all want to look at B12 defensive players selected in the NFL drafts recently, you won't like that result either. They've had 48 defensive players drafted total...TOTAL the last 5 years. SEC had 136 and ACC had 112.

In other words, the average number of players selected from an SEC school the last 5 years eclipses the total number of the Big 12 conference by itself, and the ACC is close behind. 

It's a conference full of bad defensive players which is why they get the results that they do. 

Anyhoo, Big 12 defenses are trash. 

 
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Capella said:
1. No. Big 12 offenses are helped significantly more by playing B12 defenses than flipping the two. 

2. If you all want to look at B12 defensive players selected in the NFL drafts recently, you won't like that result either. They've had 48 defensive players drafted total...TOTAL the last 5 years. SEC had 136 and ACC had 112.

In other words, the average number of players selected from an SEC school the last 5 years eclipses the total number of the Big 12 conference by itself, and the ACC is close behind. 

It's a conference full of bad defensive players which is why they get the results that they do. 

Anyhoo, Big 12 defenses are trash. 
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1. That is interesting. I will have to read up on why that is but I will take your word for it

2. I was aware of the general trend but not those numbers specifically. Sounds about right to me. I said plenty of the teams in the Big 12 are just fine on defense. Plenty was probably too strong but "just fine" is not exactly high praise. They are good enough given the strength of their offenses. I think the overall S&P+ numbers bear that out

I was more LOLing at the lack of success in the playoffs comment and using Bedlam 2017 as a barometer for all of the defenses in the conference. That's why I responded to that post. 

 
I don't know what the argument was about, but I'm 100% against the AFC South champ going to the college football playoffs.

 
I fully expect it will all take care of its self but if Wisconsin runs the table and somehow doesn't get in the top 4 they should scrap the whole thing.

i get the grandstanding making them 9 for the moment.  But if a power 5 team runs the table and wins a conference championship game it's an "auto bid".

 
The Ref said:
I fully expect it will all take care of its self but if Wisconsin runs the table and somehow doesn't get in the top 4 they should scrap the whole thing.

i get the grandstanding making them 9 for the moment.  But if a power 5 team runs the table and wins a conference championship game it's an "auto bid".
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I just don't want Notre Dame to make it.  Can there be a rule that says that?

 
If it takes the BIG10 being left out to expand the playoff I am all for it.   I would love to see these top 8 teams in a playoff. 

 
Wisconsin has 3 more games against ranked teams if they win out. 

If they do so they'll get in and have earned the right for Alabama to absolutely murder them. 

 
The Ref said:
I fully expect it will all take care of its self but if Wisconsin runs the table and somehow doesn't get in the top 4 they should scrap the whole thing.

i get the grandstanding making them 9 for the moment.  But if a power 5 team runs the table and wins a conference championship game it's an "auto bid".
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With conferences now at 14 teams, "running the table" doesn't mean what it used to mean. 

 
I like the idea of a limited playoff. Teams should have to be exceptional through the year to get in. IMO, 4 is pretty good and 8 would be too many. But it wouldn't take much to convince me that 6 is the right number with 1 & 2 getting a bye.

 
General Malaise said:
Capella said:
Wisconsin has 3 more games against ranked teams if they win out. 

If they do so they'll get in and have earned the right for Alabama to absolutely murder them. 
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Yeah, this isn't that hard.
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Particularly if we consider that Wisconsin is probably not that great. 

Right now it's already pretty clear that Notre Dame will probably lose three games and still get into the playoffs and lose by 90.  But we have to let this all play out.  :mellow:

 
Wiscy's SOS is 68 and 92 in two different metrics. They aren't even close to a playoff spot right now  

#1 SOS in both is..........Florida State :sadbanana:  

 
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Let's go back three years when all the dumb ####### Aggies were talking about TAMU dominating Texas football recruiting, challenging Alabama in the SEC West, adn being Johnny Football and Fake Army U forever????

Remember that right here at FBG?  Remember that on the innerwebs?  :lmao:

:blowitup: :lmao: Gig'em

 
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