2017 New York Jets: Robby Anderson has been arrested in Florida for the second straight offseason. This is why we can't have nice things. (1 Viewer)

[Fariq]

well if the Jets win and it costs the Pats home field it would take away the sting of the lost draft position.....of course if it is close I'll be waiting to see how the refs find a way to help them this time  

If McCown was healthy, I'd expect the Jets to win and it hurt their draft position. The QBs available for the Jets on Sunday are so awful, though, that I cannot picture a realistic scenario for the Jets winning the game. Brady getting injured in the first quarter or a blizzard like the one in the Colts-Bills game would be the ways the Jets could win.

 

[Kiddnets]

Hackenberg clearly sucks beyond belief. Even as weird a coach as Bowles would have gone to Hackenberg by now. He had an opportunity to start Hackenberg in Week 17 last year and decided to go back to Fitzpatrick who was out the door the next day anyway. Now with McCown having gone down for the season, Bowles could have gotten out in front of everything and said, "Petty and Hackenberg will each start a game down the stretch of this season barring one of them getting injured in practice or something." 

But, no. Hackenberg is so bad that he cannot even get to play. It is now an established fact. The Hackenberg draft selection was a complete waste. It is impossible to believe a team with double digit losses in consecutive seasons would sit a 2nd round drafted QB two seasons in a row as some sort of learning experience. It makes no sense in this day and age. Hackenberg is terrible. We saw this in preseason. It has been confirmed by him holding the tablet. I am serious. If Petty went down, the Jets might have the running backs take snaps the rest of the game on Sunday.   

So there are two questions to answer.

1. Is Bowles coming back?

2. Assuming McCown is brought back in some capacity, who will be the other two quarterbacks? 

I hate Bowles' "willing loser" mentality but I don't want a lateral move here. If there are no good game changing candidates, then just bring him back and convince yourself that Bowles' coaching in Denver was some sort of lesson as in "You guys don't want to play today, then I won't coach." Do not reach and get the next Vance Joseph or Scott Linehan.

I think the Jets have to strongly consider Kirk Cousins. If they cannot get him, then be sure to get a Sam Bradford or Teddy Bridgewater- somebody who has started and played and done well at times. Do not bring this type of player in to be the starter. I understand the better the player, the less likely he would be interested in being a backup. 

Draft a quarterback in the first round if Cousins is not signed. The only reason to not take a QB in round 1 would be if Cousins is signed or if the Jets somehow don't like any QBs in this draft. 

slow work day so let's take a look

Agree with just about everything you posted - if they refuse to play Hack even in these circumstances then I think we have the right to consider him an epic bust and a huge blemish on both Mac and Bowles....I dont want to hear Petty is the #2 and deserves more starts...it's insulting and part of the reason why I hate Bowles.....just be honest and say the kid is just not ready....actions speak louder than words and if Hack showed anything he'd be playing.....I cant recall any QB picked that high that will not play a snap in 2 awful losing seasons....that's really saying something and should be involved in evaluating/keeping MAc/Bowles

Also agree with QB analysis - Cousins is going to take $30M per yr but they will have $90M in cap space so why not get an established QB who would be the best they had since days of Chad/Vinny.  I still can't see hoe Washington allows him to leave with zero back up plan so I also can see them going Smith/Bridgewater route - I've seen enough of Bradford and would rather just have McCown with a rook....signing Cousins would allow them to spend 1st on the OL and best available needs in rd 2 which would be nice instead of rolling dice with lesser prospect or pay piper for a huge trade up.   

As for rookie QBs its a big week....if somehow Giants win and Colts lose the Colts would get the #2 pick and likely trade to highest bidder. With Rosen already sending out Eli type signals vs Cleveland it could be interesting.....I'm not sold on other QBs like Baker/Allen/etc so if no Cousins Im scared they may be forced to go with lesser prospect out of fear/need.  

Bowles - he needs to go....there is always an excuse....how can they bring him back next yr with a potential rookie QB and trust the development to someone who has shown zero skills in developing HAck/Petty?  Also it's clear is Bowles doesnt make the playoffs next year he would be gone so it would be a waste of a yr of development.  

Totally agree that if they do make the hopeful move it can't be for another up and coming assistant....I would want an offensive minded coach with previous HC experience.....keeping my eye of O'Brien...Arians situations.....would back the truck up for Harbaugh/Gruden....would even go for Haley from Pitt.....only rooks I'd consider are Defilipo from Philly (QB coach but did a great job with Wentz) and Lafleur who has done miracles in StL.  Last offensive coach Jets have had was Coslet and Kotite...and they wonder why they never developed a QB....

 

[Kiddnets]

Hope......if a team was dumb enough to trade for Herm Edwards anything can happen!  

The New York Post's Brian Costello passes along "rumblings from league circles" that the Cardinals would have interest in Jets coach Todd Bowles if Bruce Arians retires.

Bowles, of course, was the Cardinals' defensive coordinator for two years under Arians in Arizona before he landed the Jets' head-coaching gig. Per Costello, Bowles was "extremely popular with ownership" in the desert, and they'd be interested in bringing him back. However, the point could be moot since it looks like Bowles will keep his Jets job. Arizona is unlikely to trade for him.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I realize that Hackenberg must likely look horrific in practice, but there's just no excuse at all for him not starting Week 17. Petty is regressing (and he was never good to begin with) and is at best a career low end backup level QB, so why give him another week?

These last two weeks the Jets defense shut down two high scoring offenses and Petty couldn't muster anything. He misses wide-open guys and can't hit a guy four yards down the field. There's no hope for him. What team wouldn't give a second round pick any snaps under center during consecutive 5 win seasons?

I want Bowles gone for all the reasons I (and other posters here) have listed already, but unfortunately I do not see that happening. Sobeit - I do like the job Morton did at OC at least when McCown was playing.

I would be ok with a Cousins signing - but want no part of Sam Bradford or Alex Smith (no more trips down mediocre veteran road anymore, please). Bridgewater would be interesting but I'm just not sure he can be trusted. My preference is to draft a QB and hopefully things break right and the team moves up further. In that case, I would be ok with bringing McCown back as a bridge QB/mentor for the youngster.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I guess it's a win-win type situation for the Jets this week at least. Even if they kill their draft position that would at least mean they will force the Pats to go into Heinz Field for the AFCCG.

 

[Kiddnets]

I realize that Hackenberg must likely look horrific in practice, but there's just no excuse at all for him not starting Week 17. Petty is regressing (and he was never good to begin with) and is at best a career low end backup level QB, so why give him another week?

These last two weeks the Jets defense shut down two high scoring offenses and Petty couldn't muster anything. He misses wide-open guys and can't hit a guy four yards down the field. There's no hope for him. What team wouldn't give a second round pick any snaps under center during consecutive 5 win seasons?

I want Bowles gone for all the reasons I (and other posters here) have listed already, but unfortunately I do not see that happening. Sobeit - I do like the job Morton did at OC at least when McCown was playing.

I would be ok with a Cousins signing - but want no part of Sam Bradford or Alex Smith (no more trips down mediocre veteran road anymore, please). Bridgewater would be interesting but I'm just not sure he can be trusted. My preference is to draft a QB and hopefully things break right and the team moves up further. In that case, I would be ok with bringing McCown back as a bridge QB/mentor for the youngster.

it truly is unprecedented and mind boggling...Im shocked the media isn't calling for blood as a result....Petty has looked that bad....how much worse could Hack be?  seriously!?!?

If Cousins is not an option I would be on board with a Bridgewater/1st rd pick QB and let them compete for the job.....

Im praying that AZ throws some type of comp for Bowles and allows the team to cut bait....Herm netted a 4th rder....that would save the Jets face and allow both to move on.  

 

[sheerterror]

A+ Benigno today.

 

[Fariq]

I guess it's a win-win type situation for the Jets this week at least. Even if they kill their draft position that would at least mean they will force the Pats to go into Heinz Field for the AFCCG.

I am a Jets fan who roots for NE over Pitt. I'm just not into the whole Pitt thing. 

 

[Fariq]

I would be ok with a Cousins signing - but want no part of Sam Bradford or Alex Smith (no more trips down mediocre veteran road anymore, please). Bridgewater would be interesting but I'm just not sure he can be trusted. My preference is to draft a QB and hopefully things break right and the team moves up further. In that case, I would be ok with bringing McCown back as a bridge QB/mentor for the youngster.

Cousins has performed well this season with all sorts of injuries on that offense. 

A smart team should not get Bradford, A. Smith, or Bridgewater to try to be the answer at QB. Those guys should be signed to the type of deal McCown got from the Jets earlier this year. Bradford is injured too much, Smith is old, Bridgewater basically hasn't played in two years.

To reiterate what I wrote last night-

I would like the Jets to sign Cousins and bring back McCown or

bring back McCown, sign another veteran (this can even be the kind of QB who we thought Case Keenum was prior to this good season he's having), and draft a QB in the first round.  

 

[NYRAGE]

McCags and Bowles both got extended for 2 more seasons. I guess we'll be puking before New Year's Eve this year.

 

[Tool]

McCags and Bowles both got extended for 2 more seasons. I guess we'll be puking before New Year's Eve this year.

As an outsider seemed like Jets exceeded expectations this year

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As an outsider seemed like Jets exceeded expectations this year

It was a low bar.

 

[TLEF316]

Looks like I can not care for another 2 years.

Someone send me a PM when we get a top 10 QB. Until then, I just dont give a ####.

 

[Fariq]

As an outsider seemed like Jets exceeded expectations this year

Expectations according to who? The media? Annual season preview magazines? 

 

[Tool]

Expectations according to who? The media? Annual season preview magazines? 

Yes.

 

[NYRAGE]

As an outsider seemed like Jets exceeded expectations this year

I liked that Bowles had the team playing hard (in most games).  I liked that we got rid of most of the bad apples in the clubhouse although I'm not sure that Bowles gets credit for that.

Otherwise, I don't like how Bowles gave up in a few games (didn't take timeouts or punted), played veterans instead of developing younger players (Forte, Kerley, etc.). I don't like how he doesn't make adjustments. I don't like his emotionless demeanor.  I don't like how for a defensive specialist, his defense for the most part isn't that great.

Maybe the change in culture this season proves to be a major stepping stone for the future of the franchise. Maybe. That said, I'm not sure how much development we got out of our players. Anderson looked good with McCown. Our O-line? Nothing stands out except Johnson wasn't able to cut it at Center.  The RBs? Well Powell looked great in his limited time, but that was the case last year. McGwire? Who knows. WRs: Hansen/Stewart. Who knows. They only got some playing time after Kerley got suspended. TE? ASJ looked good in the beginning, but they stopped going to him.  QB? McCown played pretty well for most of the season, but he's 38. Petty and Hack? Well, it doesn't look good for them. Hack didn't get to play and Petty didn't look good against 3 tough opponents.

On defense, Adams and Mayes had their moments are should be a good core going forward.  CBs? Claiborne looked pretty good, but the other guys didn't. Dem Davis had a good year (nice trade McCags).  Lee showed improvement from last year, but is still too small.  OLBs? Not much there. D-Line? Well, a big disappointment. Mo was a disaster. Leo had a down year.

I don't know. There are still a million questions going into next season. Yeah, the team played hard, but did we make a lot of progress?  I don't think so. The hope is that the culture changed significantly from last year.  We have a lot of money and draft picks which is great, but I still don't have a lot of confidence in the guys in charge.

 

[Fariq]

. . .I don't like how Bowles . . . played veterans instead of developing younger players (Forte, Kerley, etc.).

Not this again.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

As a total outsider to the Jets, my understanding was that they'd be hapless and basically tanking the whole year. Nothing like that happened. They fought, won some games and were close in others. Nobody could argue they're the league's worst team or an embarrassment.

I agree with someone who said it's a low bar, but you shouldn't be ashamed of this team. They're not very good, but there are pieces there. I think the Jets are better than I thought the Jaguars were in 2016. No reason they can't make a leap forward as well.

 

[TLEF316]

As a total outsider to the Jets, my understanding was that they'd be hapless and basically tanking the whole year. Nothing like that happened. They fought, won some games and were close in others. Nobody could argue they're the league's worst team or an embarrassment.

I agree with someone who said it's a low bar, but you shouldn't be ashamed of this team. They're not very good, but there are pieces there. I think the Jets are better than I thought the Jaguars were in 2016. No reason they can't make a leap forward as well.

I get that they outperformed expectations. I dont like anything about Bowles, but I have to be fair and say that he kept the team playing hard pretty much all year.

But as far as "having pieces" goes, meh.  They've got a decent WR core (assuming Enunwa comes back the same guy) , 1 stud D-lineman who had a bad year (Williams) and 2 safeties.  I'd argue that the 4 most important spots on the field in the modern NFL are QB, O-Line, pass rusher and corner.  The Jets basically have nothing at all those spots.  Their LB  core isn't any good and the speed LB they picked in the first round 2 years ago can't cover anyone (although he improved in some other areas this year). 

Their best players mostly play the least important positions on the field.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Down 21 in the 4th? Kick a FG of course.

i can’t believe Bowles was extended - we do not need his loser mentality going forward.

 

[sheerterror]

Down 21 in the 4th? Kick a FG of course.

i can’t believe Bowles was extended - we do not need his loser mentality going forward.

But, but, but.....they won 5 games instead of 4!  But they played hard all year......except the games they didn't show up.......or in the 4th quarter when they were 2nd worst in the league in scoring differential.  But they respect Bowles!  Except when 2 seemingly key pieces of "his" defense needed to be disciplined throughout the season.

I swear to god....does anybody notice this seemingly league wide agenda to protect and hype this guy up?  Romo and Nantz with a verbal suckfest.  Every single NY sports radio host other than Joe B talking about how hard the team plays for him and how deserves to stay.  What are we missing here?  And even AFTER they extend him and his and Mac's future is secure for the foreseeable future - they still REFUSE to let Hack take just a couple of snaps at any point in 2017.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But, but, but.....they won 5 games instead of 4!  But they played hard all year......except the games they didn't show up.......or in the 4th quarter when they were 2nd worst in the league in scoring differential.  But they respect Bowles!  Except when 2 seemingly key pieces of "his" defense needed to be disciplined throughout the season.

I swear to god....does anybody notice this seemingly league wide agenda to protect and hype this guy up?  Romo and Nantz with a verbal suckfest.  Every single NY sports radio host other than Joe B talking about how hard the team plays for him and how deserves to stay.  What are we missing here?  And even AFTER they extend him and his and Mac's future is secure for the foreseeable future - they still REFUSE to let Hack take just a couple of snaps at any point in 2017.

Yeah the “playing hard” thing is such BS. They should be playing hard. They’re professionals and they’re playing for their jobs.

 

[Kiddnets]

Well the inevitable happened....happy new year....

Joe B had an epic rant on the extension - all Jet fans should listen - archived on WFAN page...this was set in stone the moment Woody said the bar was not set on wins and losses. Bowles is just not a good HC and it was on full display today - another 12 men in huddle penalty (how many in a row is that?), awful gameplan, no adjustments and of course the usual give up play kicking a FG when down by 20....his presser was awful and a window into his mind - Petty beatr out Hack in preseason so why should he ever play?  This guy does nothing on the fly and it is a disaster to have him another year...I predict he will be fired this time next year - only hope is they sign a FA QB so they dont waste a year of development with a rookie under this regime.  

 

[Kiddnets]

It's official Jets pick #6 overall - a historically good spot for them (williams/adams) but long past where the top 2-3 QBs will go with Denver sitting right in front of them needing a QB....so if they dont sign Cousins look for a trade up of valuable assets. 

Wish they would have just stayed the course with Petty/Hack for the year and nabbed that top 2 pick....Giants do unthinkable and win meaningless game to blow #2 pick and then get bailed out by Colts....you can't make it up!  

Im officially on the Cousins, Barkley, OL wagon for the offseason!  

 

[Fariq]

It's official Jets pick #6 overall - a historically good spot for them (williams/adams) but long past where the top 2-3 QBs will go with Denver sitting right in front of them needing a QB....so if they dont sign Cousins look for a trade up of valuable assets. 

Wish they would have just stayed the course with Petty/Hack for the year and nabbed that top 2 pick....Giants do unthinkable and win meaningless game to blow #2 pick and then get bailed out by Colts....you can't make it up!  

Im officially on the Cousins, Barkley, OL wagon for the offseason!  

The season is over for these guys. Now it is time to step up and identify them by name and explain to us who those two or three are and why they will be Pro Football Hall of Famers. 

 

[Fariq]

his presser was awful and a window into his mind - Petty beatr out Hack in preseason so why should he ever play?    

I had a completely different take on that comment. Hackenberg had a legitimate shot to win the #2 job and failed. The way practices are run, it is hard for a 3rd string quarterback to do anything in a regular season to overtake the starter or the #2 guy. While Bowles could have came out the day after the Denver game and said, "Each quarterback will get a start", he chose not to because Hackenberg cannot play effectively yet. It is quite simple.

 

[Fariq]

Im officially on the Cousins, Barkley, OL wagon for the offseason!  

There are a bunch of RBs who will carry 2nd round grades- Harris, Jones, Love, Chubb, Johnson, Guice. I like Harris the most. Harris and Chubb can be viewed in the college playoff action.

Ziggy Ansah is a free agent, I think. If so, the Jets might want to target him. 

I like Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield. I hope Sam Darnold comes out and the Giants or Browns take him. He is almost certainly going to be good, but I don't know if he will be great.

The Jets coaching staff got career years out of Fitzpatrick and McCown but didn't do much with Petty and did nothing with Hackenberg. The lack of developing a youngster- is that on the coaching staff or the actual two players in this case? Is it possible Petty and Hackenberg suck and will always suck?

I figure the Jets have to decide on the draft in the next two months. If none of the college guys impress them enough to draft at 6 overall and/or they just don't want to go that route, then they have to find a new QB in free agency in March. Then you go from there. 

It ultimately doesn't matter who the head coach is if the team doesn't have a good quarterback situation. 

As for Bowles, I wanted Rex Ryan gone after the 2011 season and thought his comments during the press conference after the season finale in Miami (opposing head coach was Bowles) should have been the final nail in his coffin and he got three more years to wreck the franchise. So if you dislike Bowles, I can understand the angst about him not being fired. I was in this spot six years ago.

As for me on Bowles, I shared my opinion a few days ago. There are major issues with him calling the dogs off if the team is down by multiple scores. That said, aside from the Denver game, the incidents were in spots where the Jets had about a 5% chance to win. All Bowles did was change that 5% chance to 1%. When the Jets have been in games, they haven't done the weird punting stuff.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So now it's being reported that Gruden wants John Morton to be on his staff in Oakland/LV and the Jets will not stop him from leaving.

Morton was my one silver lining for bringing Bowles back. 

Happy New Year. This franchise sucks.

 

[Fariq]

Wish they would have just stayed the course with Petty/Hack for the year and nabbed that top 2 pick....Giants do unthinkable and win meaningless game to blow #2 pick and then get bailed out by Colts....you can't make it up!  

By the looks of it, it would have been a historically bad season if Petty and Hackenberg were the only quarterbacks who played. The Jets would have been 0-16. Robby Anderson may have eclipsed the 500-yard mark or maybe not. 

I also noticed that you wrote nothing about the Buccaneers winning which let the Jets pass them in the draft order.  

 

[TLEF316]

"Why didnt hackenberg get a chance?"

"Because Bryce was playing"

This is something our head coach actually said. There is no hope.

I have zero doubt that hackenberg is historically bad, but come on

 

[Fariq]

"Why didnt hackenberg get a chance?"

"Because Bryce was playing"

This is something our head coach actually said. There is no hope.

I have zero doubt that hackenberg is historically bad, but come on

Bowles was saying Hackenberg sucks (at least right now) without saying it. It would have been a bold move to throw Hackenberg under the bus at the press conference yesterday evening. 

 

[Fariq]

So now it's being reported that Gruden wants John Morton to be on his staff in Oakland/LV and the Jets will not stop him from leaving.

Morton was my one silver lining for bringing Bowles back. 

Happy New Year. This franchise sucks.

Losing Morton for continuity reasons might suck but he didn't wow me. He was far from inept, though. The Jets had a couple inept offensive coordinators during the Rex Ryan era. If Morton leaves, I wonder if the Jets would elevate someone from the current staff or maybe consider Jim Caldwell. 

 

[TLEF316]

Bowles was saying Hackenberg sucks (at least right now) without saying it. It would have been a bold move to throw Hackenberg under the bus at the press conference yesterday evening. 

I know that's what he was saying but I just can't believe he thought that was the best way of saying it. 

And if he truly is this bad, he should be released this off-season. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Losing Morton for continuity reasons might suck but he didn't wow me. He was far from inept, though. The Jets had a couple inept offensive coordinators during the Rex Ryan era. If Morton leaves, I wonder if the Jets would elevate somehow from the current staff or maybe consider Jim Caldwell. 

I think Morton was one of the better OCs they have had in a while. Look at how well this offense moved the ball with very little talent available. 

I mean it ultimately won’t matter after Bowles gets fired following the 2018 season anyway. 

 

[Fariq]

I think Morton was one of the better OCs they have had in a while. Look at how well this offense moved the ball with very little talent available. 

I mean it ultimately won’t matter after Bowles gets fired following the 2018 season anyway. 

Yeah, good chance that happens anyway. I think the 2-year extension means Bowles gets to coach in 2018. I don't think it guarantees anything else.

 

[Fariq]

I know that's what he was saying but I just can't believe he thought that was the best way of saying it. 

And if he truly is this bad, he should be released this off-season. 

I have been trying to be positive and give Bowles every benefit of the doubt since he was given the extension only because I'm tired of being miserable with my football fandom since Christmas Eve 2011. As 2018 progresses (lol, not even halfway into one day), I sense the negativity creeping back.  

Hackenberg really should have been given a start down the stretch. It would have been so easy to say, "Petty and Hackenberg will each start a game the rest of the way" after it was announced that McCown was out for the year. Now Bowles will cause himself more trouble by having to answer questions about Hackenberg. If Hackenberg has been a good teammate and has been on time to meetings, then Bowles probably owed it to Hackenberg to let him start a game even if Hackenberg has looked in practice like a 54-year old drunk pulled from behind a dumpster in some strip mall in Florham Park.

The key thing by far- and nothing else is even remotely close- is that the Jets get it right at the quarterback position in the offseason. It is possible they get the right quarterback and miss the playoffs again and Bowles gets fired. Maybe they get Cousins and start off 8-4 and miss the playoffs. Bowles could get fired like Mangini was in 2008. Or they could draft the right quarterback in the 1st round and stumble along with McCown and get to 4-6 before going with the youngster and finish 5-11 again and the team decides, "Okay, enough is enough. 5-11 three years in a row? Goodbye, Todd."

 

[Kiddnets]

Some good banter here - 

Hack/Bowles - My point with Bowles' comment is the guy is stubborn and just can[t change in any way....the fact that Petty beat out Hack in August shouldnt be the be all end all in a 5 win trainwreck season and the guy is a 2d rd pick.  You have to be flexible and make changes on the move in the NFL and Bowles just cant do that - its not in his DNA....he is married to his depth chart and in my opinion that just isnt a good HC....things change - once the season was lost he should have started Hack...once Petty looked like crap he should have started the last game....once Petty was historically bad in the 1st half vs Pats he should have played Hack...he refuses and admitted it was because of August...that is just ridiculous.  Now he has the audacity to say he doesnt know if HAck can play in the NFL...well whose fault is that?  You are going into a season where they must find a QB and they blew a chance to get some real game film on their own 2d rd pick....how much worse than Petty could he have been?  and if so - so what - Bowles wont change and thats a big reason I dont like him as a HC...stubborn patterns - 12 men in huddle; give up plays; no adjustments; zero emotion - the aw shucks we played hard reminds me of Kotite...I'm old enough to live through that debacle!  They draft another rookie QB he has yet another built in excuse to miss the playoffs....go all out for Cousins and mandate playoffs or bust.  Just feels like purgatory with this guy.  

Morton - I agree that he's been the best OC in a while - but really low bar - I wasnt impressed with a lot of the playcalling especially after McCown was out...Petty was known as a live arm and he kept chains on him even when down by a ton...I'd still keep him and would not allow him to move on a lateral which they always seem to allow.  

Draft - long time to speculate - FA will be key - if they land Cousins it changes everything....if not then it's QB or bust....it's early but there seems to be 2 elite (Rosen, Darnold) and 2 very good (Allen and Baker) - I'm a believer in if they have a guy head and shoulders above the other on their board go get him if possible.....should be an interesting offseason.  

 

[sheerterror]

Jack Del Rio: 3 seasons in Oakland, 0-1 in the playoffs, overall record of 25-23.  6-10 season in 2017.  Fired

Chuck Pagano:  6 seasons in Indy, 3 playoffs appearances, followed by 3 straight years of no postseason, including not having his franchise QB in the final year.  Fired.

Toad Bowels: 3 seasons.  No playoff appearances.  20-28 record including a recent 5-11 2017 performance that saw him get extended for 3 seasons.

This, gentlemen is a microcosm of why this pathetic Mickey Mouse franchise will always wallow in some form of purgatoric mediocrity until the Johnsons sell the damn team.  And it's not as though Oakland or Indy are by any means cream of the crop franchises in this league either......

 

[Kiddnets]

Jack Del Rio: 3 seasons in Oakland, 0-1 in the playoffs, overall record of 25-23.  6-10 season in 2017.  Fired

Chuck Pagano:  6 seasons in Indy, 3 playoffs appearances, followed by 3 straight years of no postseason, including not having his franchise QB in the final year.  Fired.

Toad Bowels: 3 seasons.  No playoff appearances.  20-28 record including a recent 5-11 2017 performance that saw him get extended for 3 seasons.

This, gentlemen is a microcosm of why this pathetic Mickey Mouse franchise will always wallow in some form of purgatoric mediocrity until the Johnsons sell the damn team.  And it's not as though Oakland or Indy are by any means cream of the crop franchises in this league either......

Amen - add NYG canning their coach with 1 bad season after a playoff season....I understand the need for continuity but not when its bad coaching.....besides playing "hard" give me a few of this guy's positives because I cant find any......this franchise accepts mediocrity and its why they fail...ownership on down.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jets GM Mike Maccagnan said the team will be "very active" in free agency.

Set to have almost $80 million in cap space even before likely cuts like Muhammad Wilkerson, the Jets are certainly in position to make a splash if they so choose. Quarterback is the most glaring need on the roster, but the Jets also could use a big-time pass rusher, corner, or offensive tackle.

Hopefully the money is spent on young talent and not band-aids that are meant to help keep jobs.

It's kind of telling that the Jets four biggest needs listed above are the four most important positions on a football team.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Let's talk options at QB. My preference in order:

1. Draft a QB - My two favorite QBs are Josh Rosen and Baker Mayfield. I would not be upset if they moved up to get Rosen, but this team needs to add a lot of talent and I would not want the cost to be prohibitive to building a team. I actually think they can stay put and land Mayfield. I'm starting to fall for him. He has accuracy, mobility and a strong arm. I think his demeanor and leadership would be just what this team needs. He is not without risk of course, but I say "roll that dice". If they go this route I'm fine with bringing back McCown as a mentor and a bridge. Heck they could even let him start the season and play if they are winning.

2. Kirk Cousins - Personally I think he's plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl provided he has a team around him. Is he "elite"? I don't think so, but he's capable of being a top 10 option for the next 3-6 years.

3. Teddy Bridgewater and early/mid round rookie - I'm a fan of Teddy and have compared him to Chad Pennington from the beginning. I can't say I totally trust him after the injury, but if he checks out and comes at a reasonable price, I can swallow letting him lead the way and see what happens. Hopefully they could finally strike gold with a project type QB waiting in the wings should Teddy never look healthy.

Otherwise I am going to be upset.

Please do not bring in a past his prime Alex Smith or Eli Manning, a journeyman coming off a career year like Case Keenum, a uninspiring retread like Ryan Tannehill or Sam Bradford or a journeyman bum like Brian Hoyer or Blaine Gabbert hoping to once again strike gold ala Fitzmagic or McCown. 

 

[sheerterror]

It'll be interesting to see if McCown wants to come back (assuming the Jets truly do make him a reasonable offer to come back) if Morton ends up going to Oakland.  I can see Morton leaving, McCown retiring and the Jets accordingly chasing a McCown/Fitz like renaissance from Keenum or, to a lesser extent, Smith - hope either guy can do it for longer than the 1 year they got out of Fitz/McCown.

Also can see them blowing their draft flexibility and sending both high seconds to move up from 6 to 1 (IDK - does that get it done?) and grabbing...well, I don't believe it matters, because I don't have faith in either the coaching staff's ability OR continuity (does Bowles survive this season, ultimately putting rookie X into system 2 in year 2?  who is even the OC if Morton leaves?) to actually develop that pick.

 

[Reaper]

Let's talk options at QB. My preference in order:

1. Draft a QB - My two favorite QBs are Josh Rosen and Baker Mayfield. I would not be upset if they moved up to get Rosen, but this team needs to add a lot of talent and I would not want the cost to be prohibitive to building a team. I actually think they can stay put and land Mayfield. I'm starting to fall for him. He has accuracy, mobility and a strong arm. I think his demeanor and leadership would be just what this team needs. He is not without risk of course, but I say "roll that dice". If they go this route I'm fine with bringing back McCown as a mentor and a bridge. Heck they could even let him start the season and play if they are winning.

2. Kirk Cousins - Personally I think he's plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl provided he has a team around him. Is he "elite"? I don't think so, but he's capable of being a top 10 option for the next 3-6 years.

3. Teddy Bridgewater and early/mid round rookie - I'm a fan of Teddy and have compared him to Chad Pennington from the beginning. I can't say I totally trust him after the injury, but if he checks out and comes at a reasonable price, I can swallow letting him lead the way and see what happens. Hopefully they could finally strike gold with a project type QB waiting in the wings should Teddy never look healthy.

Otherwise I am going to be upset.

Please do not bring in a past his prime Alex Smith or Eli Manning, a journeyman coming off a career year like Case Keenum, a uninspiring retread like Ryan Tannehill or Sam Bradford or a journeyman bum like Brian Hoyer or Blaine Gabbert hoping to once again strike gold ala Fitzmagic or McCown. 

Exactly where I am.... If I'm Cousins I probably avoid the Jets. 

 

[Fariq]

Hopefully the money is spent on young talent and not band-aids that are meant to help keep jobs.

It's kind of telling that the Jets four biggest needs listed above are the four most important positions on a football team.

I understand your overall point, but it is not a fact. Some people think centers are more important than tackles. I used to think tackles were more important. I now lean towards centers. There have been some examples in recent years where a team would lose a center to injury and it wreck the entire offense. Sometimes a team can lose a tackle and get by.

As far as cornerbacks go, some folks think safeties are more important in current times. 

No argument here about quarterbacks and pass rushers. 

 

[Fariq]

Also can see them blowing their draft flexibility and sending both high seconds to move up from 6 to 1 (IDK - does that get it done?) and grabbing...well, I don't believe it matters, because I don't have faith in either the coaching staff's ability OR continuity (does Bowles survive this season, ultimately putting rookie X into system 2 in year 2?  who is even the OC if Morton leaves?) to actually develop that pick.

The problem is we do not have proof that the coaching staff can or cannot develop a young quarterback. 

What if Petty and Hackenberg just suck? The great Bill Belichick wasn't able to develop every young quarterback he coached. We can even do this exercise with coaches who were quarterback gurus like Mike Holmgren. 

 

[Fariq]

Let's talk options at QB. My preference in order:

1. Draft a QB - My two favorite QBs are Josh Rosen and Baker Mayfield. I would not be upset if they moved up to get Rosen, but this team needs to add a lot of talent and I would not want the cost to be prohibitive to building a team. I actually think they can stay put and land Mayfield. I'm starting to fall for him. He has accuracy, mobility and a strong arm. I think his demeanor and leadership would be just what this team needs. He is not without risk of course, but I say "roll that dice". If they go this route I'm fine with bringing back McCown as a mentor and a bridge. Heck they could even let him start the season and play if they are winning.

2. Kirk Cousins - Personally I think he's plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl provided he has a team around him. Is he "elite"? I don't think so, but he's capable of being a top 10 option for the next 3-6 years.

3. Teddy Bridgewater and early/mid round rookie - I'm a fan of Teddy and have compared him to Chad Pennington from the beginning. I can't say I totally trust him after the injury, but if he checks out and comes at a reasonable price, I can swallow letting him lead the way and see what happens. Hopefully they could finally strike gold with a project type QB waiting in the wings should Teddy never look healthy.

Otherwise I am going to be upset.

Please do not bring in a past his prime Alex Smith or Eli Manning, a journeyman coming off a career year like Case Keenum, a uninspiring retread like Ryan Tannehill or Sam Bradford or a journeyman bum like Brian Hoyer or Blaine Gabbert hoping to once again strike gold ala Fitzmagic or McCown. 

Yes, those three options should be the top options. I don't think anything else is realistic.

Less realistic stuff would include things like: McCown re-signs for one year and Bradford doesn't generate much interest around the league, so he too signs with the Jets in hopes of beating out McCown in camp; Chargers decide to trade Philip Rivers; the Jets actually love Hackenberg and they announce this in the offseason and re-sign McCown as a backup; Tom Brady has a falling out with Bill Belichick. . . 

Umm, yeah, your three options should be the only ones.

The questions for me at this time:

Do you have the right order at 1 and 2 or should that order be reversed?

How do we rank the top draft-eligible quarterbacks?

Right now I do not rank Rosen and Darnold in the top two spots. I could change my mind after watching and reading countless draft stuff between now and April.    

 

[sheerterror]

The problem is we do not have proof that the coaching staff can or cannot develop a young quarterback. 

What if Petty and Hackenberg just suck? The great Bill Belichick wasn't able to develop every young quarterback he coached. We can even do this exercise with coaches who were quarterback gurus like Mike Holmgren. 

Have you been watching this franchise for the last 50 or so years?  (Of course you have, you're in here with the rest of us.)

Speaking generally AND specifically, they've NEVER been able to develop a quarterback.  The closest thing they've had since Namath to a year in, year out dependable QB has been Chad FREAKIN Pennington.  We're now looking at a decade of former ex D Coordinators-turned-head coaches pooping their pants repeatedly on the offensive system carousel while we've cycled through the likes of Favre, Sanchez whom we we gave up valuable assets for - spare me the 2 AFC championship appearances, they were in spite of him, and he flamed out near historically for the Jets...let's see, Geno Smith, a high draft pick who "fell" to the Jets in the 2nd round, ultimately was never developed into an even mediocre NFL QB and also laughingstockingly flamed out.  We get 2 STATISTICAL ANOMALY SEASONS out of Fitz and McCown, have seen Bryce Petty get progressively worse as an NFL player, and finally another expensive draft asset in Hackenberg progress from not being good enough to wear shoulder pads on Sundays, to being good enough to wear shoulder pads on Sundays because of process of elimination.  Nothing more.

Is it possible the latter 2 "just suck"?  Of course, very likely.  But the fact we've seen zero progress from either of them under the great tutelage of the Toad and his OC du jour leads me to the fairly reasonable conclusion that I don't trust him or whoever is on whatever is left of the offensive staff when they let Morton walk away to Oakland for nothing to develop a high draft pick QB.  Glad he got that extension though.

 

[rockaction]

Interesting extension, interesting franchise. I liked Dr. Octopus's post upthread talking about options. It would seem a QB, in light of what we saw from Garappolo, would be a little bit important to the Jets as they moved forward. 

Even if you have to take a risk in the draft, you take it -- unless you want to fulfill the promise of another 5-11 or 7-9 season.

One question: Does Cousins have the arm strength for New Jersey in winter? D.C. is a warm place and Cousins isn't exactly a big dude.

https://brickwallblitz.com/2017/03/26/the-2016-17-deep-ball-project-13/

Meanwhile, check out Bradford.  

 

[Fariq]

Have you been watching this franchise for the last 50 or so years?  (Of course you have, you're in here with the rest of us.)

Speaking generally AND specifically, they've NEVER been able to develop a quarterback.  The closest thing they've had since Namath to a year in, year out dependable QB has been Chad FREAKIN Pennington.  We're now looking at a decade of former ex D Coordinators-turned-head coaches pooping their pants repeatedly on the offensive system carousel while we've cycled through the likes of Favre, Sanchez whom we we gave up valuable assets for - spare me the 2 AFC championship appearances, they were in spite of him, and he flamed out near historically for the Jets...let's see, Geno Smith, a high draft pick who "fell" to the Jets in the 2nd round, ultimately was never developed into an even mediocre NFL QB and also laughingstockingly flamed out.  We get 2 STATISTICAL ANOMALY SEASONS out of Fitz and McCown, have seen Bryce Petty get progressively worse as an NFL player, and finally another expensive draft asset in Hackenberg progress from not being good enough to wear shoulder pads on Sundays, to being good enough to wear shoulder pads on Sundays because of process of elimination.  Nothing more.

Is it possible the latter 2 "just suck"?  Of course, very likely.  But the fact we've seen zero progress from either of them under the great tutelage of the Toad and his OC du jour leads me to the fairly reasonable conclusion that I don't trust him or whoever is on whatever is left of the offensive staff when they let Morton walk away to Oakland for nothing to develop a high draft pick QB.  Glad he got that extension though.

Well, then, somebody should just blow up the franchise as the Jets are doomed to failure till the end of time.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Well it looks like Morton will be staying on board, which I am happy about. The fact the Gruden considered him is also a plus in my book.