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2018-19 NBA Thread: Magic Johnson leaves Lakers in order to pursue other jobs to be completely terrible at (2 Viewers)

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Gr00vus said:
I wasn't intimating James would let them know what he'd do next year if he stayed in Cleveland. I was just thinking, from his perspective, does he really want to force the team he's going to to shed a bunch of useful players to fit Leonard in a year early, whereas the overall roster would be much better if they simply waited a year to fit Leonard in. James just lived through what happens when you have no flexibility left on your roster - does he really want to force creation of that same environment in his next spot? I don't think so.

If the Lakers don't get LeBron, they still see if they can sign George, maybe bring Randle back and see what happens next year. I'm fine with that as a fan. I'm fine with it as a fan if they just sign a bunch of 1 year big money deals as placeholders and see what's on the market next year. 
Count me in the camp of hoping the Lakers stick to the original plan to sign LeBron and PG13 to play with the really good young core they already have.  With Ball, Kuz, Ingram, & Hart, the roster is strong 6 deep, with some other intriguing prospects (1st round pick Wagner, 2017 2nd rounder Thomas Bryant), and a couple of vets who sign for the minimum.  

That roster could be scary good if Ball, Kuz, and Ingram progress as expected. 

 
Count me in the camp of hoping the Lakers stick to the original plan to sign LeBron and PG13 to play with the really good young core they already have.  With Ball, Kuz, Ingram, & Hart, the roster is strong 6 deep, with some other intriguing prospects (1st round pick Wagner, 2017 2nd rounder Thomas Bryant), and a couple of vets who sign for the minimum.  

That roster could be scary good if Ball, Kuz, and Ingram progress as expected. 
This is where I'm at too. If the price for Leonard is too high, pass. Whether that attitude actually lands you LeBron and George is another question though. If that's your position, you have to be prepared to get none of them - which I'm o.k. with. Waiting out the Warriors' run isn't the worst approach.

 
This is where I'm at too. If the price for Leonard is too high, pass. Whether that attitude actually lands you LeBron and George is another question though. If that's your position, you have to be prepared to get none of them - which I'm o.k. with. Waiting out the Warriors' run isn't the worst approach.
Kuz, Lonzo, and Ingram are all supposedly gym rats.  I'm guessing you've seen some of the offseason photos/reports - all indications are that these 3 are all-in this summer.  I can't wait to see what they can do along with PG and LBJ.  

 
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I don't want tjncaa to get on my case so I won't say definitively, but...

If LBJ, PG13 and Kawhi end up on the same team, that team is going to give GSW hell assuming the rest of the roster is up to par.

Make it happen. Somebody send me a Lakers Jersey, but only Deng alternate.
Why would I get on your case about that?  Of course a lineup starting with those three could very well compete with GS.  

 
drpill said:
I agree. Pop would never do a player dirty unless there was already something seriously broken behind the scenes. The player meeting and public comments were likely last ditch efforts to get Leonard to think for himself long after his uncle took over his management and ####ted things up between Kawhi and the team.

Obviously I have no evidence for it, but my unsubstantiated hunch is that Magic Johnson and Kawhi's uncle have been working together behind the scenes all year to try to get Kawhi to LA, and have been bungling things up every step of the way.  :tinfoilhat:
i forget which podcast or youtube video i was listening to, but there was one that was joking how bad the tampering oversight is. they were saying LA/Magic were one of the worst everybody knows about, and how at this point they barely even try to hide it anymore. NBA built this monster, but the sense of entitlement is like Jer' in Dallas

 
I don't want tjncaa to get on my case so I won't say definitively, but...

If LBJ, PG13 and Kawhi end up on the same team, that team is going to give GSW hell assuming the rest of the roster is up to par.

Make it happen. Somebody send me a Lakers Jersey, but only Deng alternate.
how in the world could the rest of that roster be up to par. seeing the rumors of how they could get Kawhi (unless we are talking about next year) they will be left with, Ball and who knows who else

ETA: no idea if this guy knows what he is talking about, but i'm guessing this should be close:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmQvxNf-9bI

 
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Am i the only one who believes that GS would find a Laker team of Lonzo/Hart/Randle./LBJ/Ingram to be significantly more problematic than they did GHill/JRSmith/TT/Love/LBJ?

 
Am i the only one who believes that GS would find a Laker team of Lonzo/Hart/Randle./LBJ/Ingram to be significantly more problematic than they did GHill/JRSmith/TT/Love/LBJ?
I'm with you. Part of me wonders if Randle wouldn't be a better match with LeBron than George. At this stage of his career, LeBron could use an enforcer maybe more than he needs the perimeter player. Problem with Randle is his limited range on offense - and whether last year was just a free agent payday effort or the arrival of a new long term level of play quality.

 
There's not going to be  ton of money out there for the mid tier and lower guys I think.
I think that it is probably the right move and a harbinger has of the presumably tight market, but i thought that he was right on the cusp between his age, position, ability and contract amount.

 
iirc Dunc'd On had him opting out but then ultimately signing for less than the 13.8MM/yr he would've made by opting in. Probably a good move on his part, though it probably makes acquiring Gordon a bit trickier for the Pacers. 
Basically means they have to waive Collison, who is a nice player and they don’t have much else at PG. 

 
It will feel a bit more rewarding if the Lakers can hold onto Ingram and Kuz.  They should deal Ball for a piece though.

Trading the whole team for Lebron, George and kawhi would feel a bit empty.  

 
how in the world could the rest of that roster be up to par. seeing the rumors of how they could get Kawhi (unless we are talking about next year) they will be left with, Ball and who knows who else

ETA: no idea if this guy knows what he is talking about, but i'm guessing this should be close:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmQvxNf-9bI
Mercenary market is a big deal in the NBA. 

We shall see. I mean they only need like 4 or 5 guys to be able to win a title with that team.

 
Amusing you can be so adamant.

Ball, Deng 2/36

Or

Conley 3/96.

I think most teams in league take the ball package.
Money wise they do, but you are forgetting  the side show that is Lavar and how he would demand a trade from Memphis and ruin any trade value Lonzo would have.

 
modogg said:
i know he was horrendous to start the year and when they started doing the hack-a-Ben it was getting real bad. But he turned corner about halfway through the season and teams stopped that strategy cause it didn't work anymore. He certainly needs to keep working on it, but since January 1st i am guessing his FTs were better

ETA: though i def agree, the FTs are more important than the 3s. 
Not to throw facts into your argument, but he shot worse from the FT line after the all Star break than before. 

 
Memphis is still trying to win/make the playoffs.  They probably shouldn't be, but they are.
Bottoming out with Ball, Jackson and whatever u can get for Gasol already in hand would not be a bad position to be in.

I'm just going over this exercise because it might be better for Lakers to do a trade for a conley/kemba type if it means u can keep Ingram and kuz.

 
Not to throw facts into your argument, but he shot worse from the FT line after the all Star break than before. 
no i believe you. Kid has work to do, no one is doubting that. Just saying the issues that plagued him in the beginning of the season (that Washington game is the one that sticks out where they fouled the crap out of him at the end of the game and he missed a ton) he seemed to get over. that was more mental. 

 
i think it is pretty telling that Spurs immediately dismiss Boston offers with Kyrie and focus on Tatum. wouldn't have guessed a year ago, but kind of funny for Kyire who wanted to become a star of a team and he already has been passed

 
JUL 22/2018@6:00p

2018-2019 - NBA Rookie of the Year - Odds to Win

Winner

Deandre Ayton+260

Luka Doncic+300

Marvin Bagley+450

Trae Young+700

Jaren Jackson Jr+900

Mohamed Bamba+1100

Kevin Knox+1500

Michael Porter Jr+1500

Collin Sexton+2200

Mikal Bridges+2200

Miles Bridges+2800

Wendell Carter Jr+2800

Grayson Allen+2800

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander+4000

Donte DiVincenzo+4000

Zhaire Smith+4500

Lonnie Walker+5000

Robert Williams+5000

Harry Giles+5000

Young and Sexton, for me.
 
Sexton is a good pick, I really like Bagley, and Porter Jr. Kind of hope Harry Giles wins so we can here more people complain about the award.

 
They drafted holiday, right?
Good point. 

Sexton is a good pick, I really like Bagley, and Porter Jr. Kind of hope Harry Giles wins so we can here more people complain about the award.
The Harry Giles hype is a serious thing. It’s probably just Kings fans and an organization starved for some good news, but there’s a lot of buzz. He’s playing in a summer league next week. 

 
@thecatch What do you think the Kings will do with their money? There is a rumor they are considering making an offer for Zach LaVine but I don’t think that makes much sense for them.

 
Kev4029 said:
I think he is by far the best and most forward thinking commissioner in american sports right now.
I love a lot of his ideas. Wants to re construct the draft, stop the tanking and he's had a few good other ideas so far. Warning teams about sitting players, telling teams no you don't do that etc. Dude isn't afraid to stand up to the teams in his league. As an actual person he comes off in his interviews incredible knowledgeable and liked. 

 
I kinda like Walker as a sleeper bet there. Has real potential as a go-to scorer, and he should get plenty of opportunities with Kawhi having both feet out the door.

 
modogg said:
i think this is the funny thing about everyone saying he can't shoot from outside 8 feet in the basket. It isn't that he can't, it is more that he just didn't. those 11 attempts were end of quarter heaves basically, i think they just made a concious effort to not have him force working on his jumper this year. All signs so far are looking like he has been working on it this summer and it looks fine
I'd say he's more so scared to do it for whatever reason. Watching his games in college he had ample opportunities to shoot Wide open 3s and he wouldn't even do that to keep teams honest so teams started guarding the paint daring him to either shoot or give it up to a teammate. They also pressed him double teaming him up the court which made him make mistakes and turn the ball over. I don't know what it is but the dude just refuses to go for a jumper. Everything he shoots is inside the point and closer. 

 
@thecatch What do you think the Kings will do with their money? There is a rumor they are considering making an offer for Zach LaVine but I don’t think that makes much sense for them.
Nobody with Sacramento connections has reported that, and the Kings have two young shooting guards who are probably better than LaVine. I think that is probably just agent posturing, but you really can’t rule out any Kings rumors with total confidence. 

 
It's all a moo point anyway since the winner is most likely Josh Okogie.  And no, I didn't have to look up who the Wolves took.  You can't prove anything.

 
caustic said:
The “KD is a wimp who took the easy way out” crowd is definitely going to be silenced if he teams up with the greatest player of all time.
They'd start making excuses for him. The people saying he took the easy way out at least the ones I've argued with were all Lebron fans. The player who started this whole superteazm thing. 

 
Juxtatarot said:
OK, I was home all day waiting for a new hot water heater to be installed since the old one busted yesterday.  The only think I've done is listen to NBA free agency podcasts.  I know everything so ask me anything.
What's our friends Gar/Pax doing for our team? Where Lebron going? Biggest FA trade? Biggest surprise signing and or move of the offseason? 

 
modogg said:
it is strange because i don't think anybody would guessed this of Kawhi before this year. But with the rumors running rampant with him avoiding the Spurs and suggesting he refuses to step back into the Spurs facility, it should scare teams more then it seems to be
Yeah honestly with some of these stories and rumors I don't know why anyone would want him. Especially the fans of younger teams like LA or Philly. If he's all the things these rumors say he is well thats not good. 

 
modogg said:
i think this is the funny thing about everyone saying he can't shoot from outside 8 feet in the basket. It isn't that he can't, it is more that he just didn't. those 11 attempts were end of quarter heaves basically, i think they just made a concious effort to not have him force working on his jumper this year. All signs so far are looking like he has been working on it this summer and it looks fine
You can’t possibly believe anything in this post. 

 
You can’t possibly believe anything in this post. 
well, i can believe/hope for it, or learn more about him and that Jenner chick staying at a $25K/month place in Beverly Hills this summer. I prefer to not think he is just hopping around with reality stars and blowing things off

 
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