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2018-19 NBA Thread: Magic Johnson leaves Lakers in order to pursue other jobs to be completely terrible at (1 Viewer)

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Sexton is a good pick, I really like Bagley, and Porter Jr. Kind of hope Harry Giles wins so we can here more people complain about the award.
I've heard reports that MPJ needs another back surgery to help fully correct his issue and he'd be out this coming year. Saw a few comments from scouts and anonymous GM's saying Teams were scared off by MPJ because the back injury is believed to be worse and he's gonna need a 2nd surgery and teams didn't want to RS him and kind of waste a lottery top 10 pick on a guy who wouldn't play this year. 

 
well, i can believe/hope for it, or learn more about him and that Jenner chick staying at a $25K/month place in Beverly Hills this summer. I prefer to not think he is just hopping around with reality stars and blowing things off
The reason he didn’t shoot any 3s last year is very literally because he can’t make them. 

 
The reason he didn’t shoot any 3s last year is very literally because he can’t make them. 
I honestly don't know, and am glad he is only 21 (or whatever he is) and has acknowledged in all of his post-season interviews he has a lot of work to do this off-season. i'm happy to let him have his summer and just hope that he is working on things. here he is shooting 3s pre-game this season, so it isn't like he physically can't:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bG5PQKNvSU

I just wonder what is better, he doesn't attempt any 3s this past season, or he shoots under 20% from 3 for the season. i honestly don't know what would have been better in the media, etc.

 
You can’t possibly believe anything in this post. 
This is what most Sixers fans have regurgitated for the last year. Saying oh the Sixers wanted him to focus on being a PG this year since he never played it and didn't want him to take in too much at once. He'll start working on his shooting next offseason. If a guy can't focus on two things at once as a professional NBA player I kind of question things. Also there were a ton of rumors in college that Simmons Big dogged practice and acted like he didn't need too. Even when his uncle one of the assistant coaches tried to get him too. There was some rumors about poor work ethic on Simmons part from college and national team level. I even read somewhere where Aussie teammates called him The Yank and not in an endearing way. Australians ae very laid back not braggadocios type people and Simmons to some came off as another talented kid but acted like an American instead of appreciative. I haven't heard anything about poor work ethic with the Sixers so far though. But many put his poor work ethic as part of his shooting issues in college. 

 
well, i can believe/hope for it, or learn more about him and that Jenner chick staying at a $25K/month place in Beverly Hills this summer. I prefer to not think he is just hopping around with reality stars and blowing things off
Just remember nothing ever comes out positive with being associated in anyway with that family. Honestly if I was Simmons agent or agent of any athlete in sports I'd tell them stay away from those girls as much and as far away as possible because nothing but bad things comes with that family. 

 
This is what most Sixers fans have regurgitated for the last year. Saying oh the Sixers wanted him to focus on being a PG this year since he never played it and didn't want him to take in too much at once. He'll start working on his shooting next offseason. If a guy can't focus on two things at once as a professional NBA player I kind of question things. Also there were a ton of rumors in college that Simmons Big dogged practice and acted like he didn't need too. Even when his uncle one of the assistant coaches tried to get him too. There was some rumors about poor work ethic on Simmons part from college and national team level. I even read somewhere where Aussie teammates called him The Yank and not in an endearing way. Australians ae very laid back not braggadocios type people and Simmons to some came off as another talented kid but acted like an American instead of appreciative. I haven't heard anything about poor work ethic with the Sixers so far though. But many put his poor work ethic as part of his shooting issues in college. 
the guy averaged a hair under a triple double his rookie season. I am ok with how he did, and am fine giving him a chance to work on his game. 

 
I honestly don't know, and am glad he is only 21 (or whatever he is) and has acknowledged in all of his post-season interviews he has a lot of work to do this off-season. i'm happy to let him have his summer and just hope that he is working on things. here he is shooting 3s pre-game this season, so it isn't like he physically can't:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bG5PQKNvSU

I just wonder what is better, he doesn't attempt any 3s this past season, or he shoots under 20% from 3 for the season. i honestly don't know what would have been better in the media, etc.
I'm one of those talk is talk. Actions speak louder then words. Ive seen so many players say the right things in sports before only to do the complete opposite or continue doing what didn't work before. 

 
I think at this point, if Kawhi isn't traded in the next week, i am going to be salty. I am totally admitting the fault is all mine, but the constant updates from the Celtics, Lakers and Sixers with what is on the table, etc. is just silly. 

 
and man it is crazy how far the other free agents have seem to have fallen. Avery Bradley was being touted as a guy Celtics wanted to trade because he would command $20+ a year when he hits free agency. Cousins was seen as a steal for the Pels, and was having a pretty good season before his injury. You would think if Lakers or Sixers (not sure who else will be super active this free agency period) miss out on the big 3, they can have their choice of a lot of good talent for fairly cheap because of low competition

 
the guy averaged a hair under a triple double his rookie season. I am ok with how he did, and am fine giving him a chance to work on his game. 
Sure for a guy who had ample time to get use to the league and prepare a full year in advance while rehabbing. lets see how he does first adjusting to everything one else playing him. I think if he continues to play the way he did then Boston flat-out made the blueprint how to play Simmons and make him almost irrelevant for a whole game. I'm not that high on Simmons like so many others are. I've even questioned how many games of Simmons many 76ers fans saw of him I college and only regurgitate what the media hype said and saw the highlights. I'm a huge SEC fan and watched a lot of SEC basketball that year and other players. Simmons was probably the least impressive I saw. Yes he's athletic and moves well for his size. However I saw the Kentucky bigs who were basically NBA talent compared to other bigs in College bully him in the paint. I saw a guy who was literally afraid to shoot, a guy who tried to go for the highlight reel assist or only passed if it guaranteed him a stat. I also saw teams go after him on defense because they weren't afraid of him. People were impressed with his STLs and blocks per game but most of that was because of the accumulation of attempts he had per possession per game. He was possible the weakest defender on LSU. I'll give the Sixers credit for working with him and hiding some of his faults but I think if he doesn't improve slightly the Celtics made the blue print to stop him. 

 
it is interesting looking at this from the Spurs perspective and trying to figure out what they want the most. They did well without Kawhi last year, so no reason to think adding some pieces in a trade would allow them to have success again next year. I can see the Sixers having a bit of an advantage because Brown runs a similar offense to Pop, and getting guys in a similar system would be helpful. I would also think across the NBA that the guys who have survived the last few years with the Sixers like Cov and Saric would be seen as positives in the locker room. Pulling the guy seen as the leader of your team is tough, and you would think they need guys who can come in and gel with the current team and not disrupt the locker room.

This probably weighs in about 1/20th for the trade purposes, but the prospect vs. now value is interesting. You would think Saric, Cov and Brown would have the advantage over Kuzma, etc. in those regards. And the diss tracks between Ball and Kuz have to have Magic just gleeful right now as he is trying to make this trade

ETA: also reading a bunch that Kawhi is a very good player, but Pop really lifted him and was a big reason why he was close to MVP status. The thought is Kawhi moving to another team could be a lesser Kawhi and not be able to get the same as Pop did. Who knows, probably salty fans or something, but just a thought

 
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I've heard reports that MPJ needs another back surgery to help fully correct his issue and he'd be out this coming year. Saw a few comments from scouts and anonymous GM's saying Teams were scared off by MPJ because the back injury is believed to be worse and he's gonna need a 2nd surgery and teams didn't want to RS him and kind of waste a lottery top 10 pick on a guy who wouldn't play this year. 
Thus the pick by Denver where no one gives a ####

 
Man, @DJackson10 knows all the rumors.
I live in Philly. So the only rumors I ever saw on Ben were all these positive rumors for 2-3 yrs. I did my own research looked up different scouting reports out for many people and even looked up on some stuff about history of certain other players and such. I also have an Aunt  who has family in Australia and my cousin's fiancee is from there. Many of them have said the same thing about Simmons personality that these articles said even amongst their friends. The only people defending it were the Simmons Aussie D-riders who are similar to the Lebron people who feel the dude can do nothing wrong. 

I've been perfectly clear going after Simmons though that I don't believe Simmons will be a total NBA bust. I just don't think he's anything special or close to good as many made him out to be. And most of the Sixers fans I've dabated about Simmons hadn't seen him play an actual full basketball game till this past season because all they did was regurgitate the hype comments in the media or watch highlights. Every fault you tell anyone about this guy the Simmons fans have this defense why he did this or can't do that. I actually did my research on the guy. 

 
Sure for a guy who had ample time to get use to the league and prepare a full year in advance while rehabbing. lets see how he does first adjusting to everything one else playing him. I think if he continues to play the way he did then Boston flat-out made the blueprint how to play Simmons and make him almost irrelevant for a whole game. I'm not that high on Simmons like so many others are. I've even questioned how many games of Simmons many 76ers fans saw of him I college and only regurgitate what the media hype said and saw the highlights. I'm a huge SEC fan and watched a lot of SEC basketball that year and other players. Simmons was probably the least impressive I saw. Yes he's athletic and moves well for his size. However I saw the Kentucky bigs who were basically NBA talent compared to other bigs in College bully him in the paint. I saw a guy who was literally afraid to shoot, a guy who tried to go for the highlight reel assist or only passed if it guaranteed him a stat. I also saw teams go after him on defense because they weren't afraid of him. People were impressed with his STLs and blocks per game but most of that was because of the accumulation of attempts he had per possession per game. He was possible the weakest defender on LSU. I'll give the Sixers credit for working with him and hiding some of his faults but I think if he doesn't improve slightly the Celtics made the blue print to stop him. 
Dude do you have any idea how good he was in college?  A true shooting percentage of 60% on 28.3% usage?  25th best DRB rate in the entire country?  A top 150 assist rate, a top 120 steal rate, the 15th best FT rate.  Come on, man.  That team sucked because they had an atrocious coach, no size beyond Simmons, and nobody who could hit an outside shot.  Really, in a thread built on awful takes, this ranks as an all-timer.

 
I live in Philly. So the only rumors I ever saw on Ben were all these positive rumors for 2-3 yrs. I did my own research looked up different scouting reports out for many people and even looked up on some stuff about history of certain other players and such. I also have an Aunt  who has family in Australia and my cousin's fiancee is from there. Many of them have said the same thing about Simmons personality that these articles said even amongst their friends. The only people defending it were the Simmons Aussie D-riders who are similar to the Lebron people who feel the dude can do nothing wrong. 

I've been perfectly clear going after Simmons though that I don't believe Simmons will be a total NBA bust. I just don't think he's anything special or close to good as many made him out to be. And most of the Sixers fans I've dabated about Simmons hadn't seen him play an actual full basketball game till this past season because all they did was regurgitate the hype comments in the media or watch highlights. Every fault you tell anyone about this guy the Simmons fans have this defense why he did this or can't do that. I actually did my research on the guy. 
i'm not a fan of CBB, so i didn't watch him often there. However i watched him in summer league (i think if i remember correctly) and have seen a good 60-70 of his games. at what point can Sixers fans begin to draw conclusions about Ben?

 
Dude do you have any idea how good he was in college?  A true shooting percentage of 60% on 28.3% usage?  25th best DRB rate in the entire country?  A top 150 assist rate, a top 120 steal rate, the 15th best FT rate.  Come on, man.  That team sucked because they had an atrocious coach, no size beyond Simmons, and nobody who could hit an outside shot.  Really, in a thread built on awful takes, this ranks as an all-timer.
This is such the biggest copout that people have defended Simmons with. If the team was so bad how come he didn't go to another school? Rumors were he wanted to be the big man on Campus and his Uncle was a coach there so he thought he could get away with more. He had scholarships to Duke and KSU and other big time schools but knew he wouldn't be big guy on campus and have to compete. It's fairly easy to pad stats on bad team. MCW ring a bell? Jonathan Giovony did a great write up in 2016 of many Simmons not being the #1 prospect with a lot of this. Calling his stats hollow etc. 

Simmons may not be the best prospect in 2016

 
This is such the biggest copout that people have defended Simmons with. If the team was so bad how come he didn't go to another school? Rumors were he wanted to be the big man on Campus and his Uncle was a coach there so he thought he could get away with more. He had scholarships to Duke and KSU and other big time schools but knew he wouldn't be big guy on campus and have to compete. It's fairly easy to pad stats on bad team. MCW ring a bell? Jonathan Giovony did a great write up in 2016 of many Simmons not being the #1 prospect with a lot of this. Calling his stats hollow etc. 

Simmons may not be the best prospect in 2016
Michael Carter-Williams whose college team went 30-10 and made the Final Four?  What?

Also, he probably went to LSU because 1) they weren't supposed to be terrible, 2) the coach was a good recruiter and 3) his uncle was there.  All of these happen all the time. LSU has signed the 12th ranked recruit for next season.  Is he going there because he thinks he can get away with more?  

The guy is flawed and nobody debates this, but you're bringing a really weird and inaccurate ax to grind here.

 
i'm not a fan of CBB, so i didn't watch him often there. However i watched him in summer league (i think if i remember correctly) and have seen a good 60-70 of his games. at what point can Sixers fans begin to draw conclusions about Ben?
I'm not talking about you personally. I know some don't watch college which inflates what they think about players. I know Eagles fans who don't watch College and blinked and were upset the Eagles traded up to get Carson Wentz and we so on getting Elliot bandwagon for a few months. Their problem was the fact they didn't watch Carson in college and how he played in a pro offense and was doing things as a QB at the second level most guys at the highest level QB wise weren't doing and stuff hadn't seen since Peyton Manning. You can only take so much for word of mouth and highlight reels. You also have to remember this year would he have had the success he had with the time coaches had to work with him if he played last year? You kind of have to factor how well he'd have done without the extra coaching and an extra offseason before the "Rookie season" this year. I don't think Simmons will come close to anything Lebron. I kind of agree maybe he comes more as a D Wade or something. However if he can't get a jump shot he'll be nothing more then a nice asset who can create for other players and get some boards. also a lot of his faults were exposed early in the year when Embiid was out. He struggled big time. He did better later in the year last what 15 games Embiid was out? But remember they had an easier schedule later in the year. First half of the season I believe I read on my old board someone posted was one of the top 3-5 toughest to begin the year and the 2nd half was one of the easiest in the NBA? I don't like drawing huge conclusions on guys especially basketball after 1 year for a guy. Player especially NBA can really fluctuate unless they are elite level players. 

 
I'm not talking about you personally. I know some don't watch college which inflates what they think about players. I know Eagles fans who don't watch College and blinked and were upset the Eagles traded up to get Carson Wentz and we so on getting Elliot bandwagon for a few months. Their problem was the fact they didn't watch Carson in college and how he played in a pro offense and was doing things as a QB at the second level most guys at the highest level QB wise weren't doing and stuff hadn't seen since Peyton Manning. You can only take so much for word of mouth and highlight reels. You also have to remember this year would he have had the success he had with the time coaches had to work with him if he played last year? You kind of have to factor how well he'd have done without the extra coaching and an extra offseason before the "Rookie season" this year. I don't think Simmons will come close to anything Lebron. I kind of agree maybe he comes more as a D Wade or something. However if he can't get a jump shot he'll be nothing more then a nice asset who can create for other players and get some boards. also a lot of his faults were exposed early in the year when Embiid was out. He struggled big time. He did better later in the year last what 15 games Embiid was out? But remember they had an easier schedule later in the year. First half of the season I believe I read on my old board someone posted was one of the top 3-5 toughest to begin the year and the 2nd half was one of the easiest in the NBA? I don't like drawing huge conclusions on guys especially basketball after 1 year for a guy. Player especially NBA can really fluctuate unless they are elite level players. 
You got that from Vickers.  Work in Essex county.  Page 98.

 
Ok I read this.  You're parrotting everything it says.  Do you have any thoughts of your own?
Yeah I think he was a highly overrated player way before this. He basically disappeared in games he was suppose to dominate. I watched him in HS and he was basically dominating kids much smaller then him. Easy to dominate people way smaller then you. My rival HS had a Football player named Simonie Lawerence went on scholarship to Minn U. Was an RB/LB he dominated our league broke a ton of records but was out played in college. My point is I think Ben Simmons was so flawed that he'd have benefited from staying in college longer because in the NBA there's really no time to develop players. Too many guys rely on their athleticism but don't have a great IQ for the game. Athletic ability only takes you so far and Ben Simmons is one of those athletes in sports who has relied on his athletic ability for most of his developing career. Won't get you far in a league with guys just as athletic and bigger and stronger then you. 

 
Yeah I think he was a highly overrated player way before this. He basically disappeared in games he was suppose to dominate. I watched him in HS and he was basically dominating kids much smaller then him. Easy to dominate people way smaller then you. My rival HS had a Football player named Simonie Lawerence went on scholarship to Minn U. Was an RB/LB he dominated our league broke a ton of records but was out played in college. My point is I think Ben Simmons was so flawed that he'd have benefited from staying in college longer because in the NBA there's really no time to develop players. Too many guys rely on their athleticism but don't have a great IQ for the game. Athletic ability only takes you so far and Ben Simmons is one of those athletes in sports who has relied on his athletic ability for most of his developing career. Won't get you far in a league with guys just as athletic and bigger and stronger then you. 
Are you still talking about the guy who 19/12/5 in college and then 16/8/8 as a rookie?

 
Michael Carter-Williams whose college team went 30-10 and made the Final Four?  What?

Also, he probably went to LSU because 1) they weren't supposed to be terrible, 2) the coach was a good recruiter and 3) his uncle was there.  All of these happen all the time. LSU has signed the 12th ranked recruit for next season.  Is he going there because he thinks he can get away with more?  

The guy is flawed and nobody debates this, but you're bringing a really weird and inaccurate ax to grind here.
pretty sure his uncle was the #1 reason he went there. Don't remember all the details but he discusses it in that documentary he had. and he is very open about how much he hated his experience in CBB, so i am sure his motivation wasn't as good as it could have been.

I do like re-hashing MCW though. Guy was a key to helping the Sixers out

 
Yeah I think he was a highly overrated player way before this. He basically disappeared in games he was suppose to dominate. I watched him in HS and he was basically dominating kids much smaller then him. Easy to dominate people way smaller then you. My rival HS had a Football player named Simonie Lawerence went on scholarship to Minn U. Was an RB/LB he dominated our league broke a ton of records but was out played in college. My point is I think Ben Simmons was so flawed that he'd have benefited from staying in college longer because in the NBA there's really no time to develop players. Too many guys rely on their athleticism but don't have a great IQ for the game. Athletic ability only takes you so far and Ben Simmons is one of those athletes in sports who has relied on his athletic ability for most of his developing career. Won't get you far in a league with guys just as athletic and bigger and stronger then you. 
Ben has been recognized by plenty of people in the NBA as having an exceptional basketball IQ and one of the highest they have seen from a guy his age they can remember. And i woulf argue 1 year with Brett Brown and the resources the NBA has (which has been used against Ben for ROY) helped Ben more then 2-3 more years in college

 
Are you still talking about the guy who 19/12/5 in college and then 16/8/8 as a rookie?
I think his stats are kind of padded in College. Easy to put up better stats in the pros when you have a full year of NBA coaching as well. I have my doubts he'd have been that good without the whole year he had out of college with NBA coaching and how he played last year. He really struggled his stats did when Embiid was out for awhile early in the year he struggled to even come close to avg that where people questioned if he was that good. He then really struggled against Boston. I don't have that big of hopes for his career either now that he's dating someone in that trash Kardashian/Jemmer family. 

 
I think his stats are kind of padded in College. Easy to put up better stats in the pros when you have a full year of NBA coaching as well. I have my doubts he'd have been that good without the whole year he had out of college with NBA coaching and how he played last year. He really struggled his stats did when Embiid was out for awhile early in the year he struggled to even come close to avg that where people questioned if he was that good. He then really struggled against Boston. I don't have that big of hopes for his career either now that he's dating someone in that trash Kardashian/Jemmer family. 
:lmao: :lmao:

 
I think his stats are kind of padded in College. Easy to put up better stats in the pros when you have a full year of NBA coaching as well. I have my doubts he'd have been that good without the whole year he had out of college with NBA coaching and how he played last year. He really struggled his stats did when Embiid was out for awhile early in the year he struggled to even come close to avg that where people questioned if he was that good. He then really struggled against Boston. I don't have that big of hopes for his career either now that he's dating someone in that trash Kardashian/Jemmer family. 
Please find me a second year player who averaged 16/8/8 then.  

This is so bizarre I can barely believe it's real.

 
Michael Carter-Williams whose college team went 30-10 and made the Final Four?  What?

Also, he probably went to LSU because 1) they weren't supposed to be terrible, 2) the coach was a good recruiter and 3) his uncle was there.  All of these happen all the time. LSU has signed the 12th ranked recruit for next season.  Is he going there because he thinks he can get away with more?  

The guy is flawed and nobody debates this, but you're bringing a really weird and inaccurate ax to grind here.
He actually admitted in his documentary like modogg said his Uncle was a top reason he went to LSU. He also said how much he hated college as a whole which explains a lot of the issues he had. The whole he went to LSU for the other reasons is speculation from other guys as well. 

 
Ben has been recognized by plenty of people in the NBA as having an exceptional basketball IQ and one of the highest they have seen from a guy his age they can remember. And i woulf argue 1 year with Brett Brown and the resources the NBA has (which has been used against Ben for ROY) helped Ben more then 2-3 more years in college
IQ may have been a poor choice. It should've been skills as in terms of shooting and other stuff. He may have an exceptional IQ but I still saw the stupid passes in college and doing too much.  Exceptional IQ though is one of those things that many scouts and experts throw around constantly with guys. It doesn't mean much too me until I see them them doing it though

 
Please find me a second year player who averaged 16/8/8 then.  

This is so bizarre I can barely believe it's real.
Second year in college or NBA? you won't have many in college do to the 1 and done. The NBA is so watered down defensively I don't put a lot into those numbers anymore. It's like the QB who avg 300 yards per game who are far and away not the best. One of the reasons Matthew Stafford is so overrated. Sure he throws for a lot of yards but have you seen his TD/INT ratio? Maybe I'm but these stats being put up now I'd be more impressed if it was done in the 80s and 90s not the soft version of the NBA today. 

 
Second year in college or NBA? you won't have many in college do to the 1 and done. The NBA is so watered down defensively I don't put a lot into those numbers anymore. It's like the QB who avg 300 yards per game who are far and away not the best. One of the reasons Matthew Stafford is so overrated. Sure he throws for a lot of yards but have you seen his TD/INT ratio? Maybe I'm but these stats being put up now I'd be more impressed if it was done in the 80s and 90s not the soft version of the NBA today. 
This might be my favorite post in the history of this entire board.  What???

Here's how many players last year did 16/8/8:  Russell Westbrook, Ben Simmons, Lebron James.  That's the whole list.  That's a really good second year, and it's his first year.

I have no idea what Matthew Stafford or the 80s and 90s have to do with anything.  Also, the NBA sucked back then compared to today.  Hey man, I loved it back then too.  I did.  And when the whole defense first Reilly's knicks era physical slug fest #### was going down I longed for the Magic Bird era too.  But this era of the NBA is really, really good man.  Like really good.  Like amazing.  Players are more athletic, more skilled, and dealing with complex offensive and defensive assignments that would never have been even thought of back then.  It's a golden age.  It really is.  And I grew up watching the 80s and 90s ball and this is the best basketball that has ever been played.  And Ben Simmons had an all timer of a rookie year.  He's really ####### good.  

 
so Lakers are telling teams they want to bring on crappy contracts as salary dumps in exchange for a 1st round pick. So the team that needs to unload Deng's contract to make half of this stuff work wants to add more useless salary? i guess they are fretting for Kawhi and will worry after that, but seems like they are all over the place

 
Second year in college or NBA? you won't have many in college do to the 1 and done. The NBA is so watered down defensively I don't put a lot into those numbers anymore. It's like the QB who avg 300 yards per game who are far and away not the best. One of the reasons Matthew Stafford is so overrated. Sure he throws for a lot of yards but have you seen his TD/INT ratio? Maybe I'm but these stats being put up now I'd be more impressed if it was done in the 80s and 90s not the soft version of the NBA today. 
Seriously I want to make love to this post.  It sums up this entire message board.

 
Second year in college or NBA? you won't have many in college do to the 1 and done. The NBA is so watered down defensively I don't put a lot into those numbers anymore. It's like the QB who avg 300 yards per game who are far and away not the best. One of the reasons Matthew Stafford is so overrated. Sure he throws for a lot of yards but have you seen his TD/INT ratio? Maybe I'm but these stats being put up now I'd be more impressed if it was done in the 80s and 90s not the soft version of the NBA today. 
This post is so good it's like the Ben Simmons of posts.

 
Just for completion sake I looked up how many 1-2 year players in NBA history averaged at least 15, 7, and 7.  It's Oscar Robertson, Lebron, Magic, Ben Simmons, and Norm Van Lier.  That was a weird outlier in Van Lier's career so maybe Ben Simmons is the next Norm Van Lier.  Rest of the list is good.

 
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