You were respectable in your reply so I’ll do my best to do the same....please do research instead of just making guesses. Shazier missed 6 snaps through 12 weeks last year. He sat out 2 snaps in weeks 4, 11, and 12...so not just did he not sit out 10% of snaps on the year in games he played, he sat out exactly 1% of snaps...5-ish Finkle said:
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2018 3 down LBs, who ya got? (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
The Saints nickel:
day1: Saints LBs AJ Klein and Demario Davis on the field together with the 1s in walkthrough as the two linebackers in a nickel package.
day2: Nickel backers are the same as yesterday.
day1: Saints LBs AJ Klein and Demario Davis on the field together with the 1s in walkthrough as the two linebackers in a nickel package.
day2: Nickel backers are the same as yesterday.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
So the Saints LB core is a bigger mess than it was last year at this point in the season. I'll be throwing my darts elsewhere.
Tick
Footballguy
I can read it as Demario Davis being the guy to get. 3-down WLB seems worth a fair amount.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's fairly cut and dry. They want Anzalone to win a 3 down role, but built in a backup plan (Davis) in case he doesn't earn it. Te'o and Robertson not surprisingly were insufficient last year.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
this.
Anzalone, iirc, has an injury risk history from college. i think they'd like him to simply stay healthy and finish the season to evaluate his effectiveness.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yeah, I admittedly only looked at his 2018 cap number. Completely forgot the heinous contract they signed him to. Why is this team always flirting with cap hell again?Hankmoody said:
Davis, like versions before him in New Orleans (including Klein), is very replaceable. But they're married to him at least into next season. Kinda like they are with Klein right now.
I'm a Matakevich guy but he has limitations and I fear that even if he's starting, he will only be a 2-down guy. Having said that, he racks up tackles at such a ridiculous rate (kind of like Chris Borland) when he's on the field that he may be able to sustain LB2/3 type value on more limited snaps.Bracie Smathers said:
DarkKnightsGuru
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
He was a UFA this year and the best he could get was a 1 year deal for medium money from a team that's pretty well set at the position but will have Burfict open the season suspended. I kind of thought he'd be more attractive than that. Maybe he didn't get the big initial interest he wanted and chose a 1 year prove it deal, but with guys like Bostic and AJ Klein looking like starters I can't believe he couldn't get a better deal than that so I think the NFL is telling us something here.
DarkKnightsGuru
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Thanks for the high-caliber analysis.
That was my point. Those teams didn't think enough of Brown to offer him a job better than the 1 year he got from CIN that isn't even guaranteed.
uazwildcats
Footballguy
I agree with all except Matakevich should be the other guy for PitAZ: Buchanon, and you HAVE to assume Reddick beats out Bynes.
ATL: Deion Jones. With Campbell, Riley, Ishmael and Neal running around, I don't see a 2nd lock for this role. Anyone hear different, I'm all ears.
BAL: Mosley. Onwuasor had a stretch when he played 3 downs, but last month or so, he did not.
BUF: Edmunds. Maybe Milano? BUF might be able to support two top LBs.
CAR: Kuechly and Shaq/Davis. Davis has suspension for a month. Shaq will be 3 down guy during that time, I assume.
CHI: Trevathan and Roquon.
CIN: Hmmmmmmmm. Vigil, Preston Brown, Burfict.
CLE: Hey, CLE ran three LBs all 3 downs last year. With the new coaches, it'll be interesting to see how that changes. Collins/Kirksey/Schobert all played 3 downs (Burgess when Collins was hurt). CLE is pursuing Mychal Kendricks as well, seems to me one of these LBs could see his value plummet really soon.
DAL: Sean Lee. Vander Esch and Jaylon competing for other 3 down spot.
DEN: Marshall. No one else is up for 3 down role.
DET: Jarrad Davis. Christian Jones, Devon Kennard, Killebrew, Diggs, Reeves-Maybin........I dunno if anyone else is a 3 down guy.
GB: Martinez and Ryan.
HOU: McKinney and Cunningham.
IND: I'm not betting on anyone here.
JAX: Telvin and Jack.
KC: Hitchens. Don't see another likely guy.
LAC: Ummm, I guess I go with Jatavis. Perryman never has put it together, a small wager on a Jatavis comeback seems safer than betting on Perryman to stay healthy AND stop disappointing. Wiuth Derwin/Addae/Kyzir they seems to have several guys that could be nickel LB over any of these other stiffs.
LAR: Barron and.......Littleton?
MIA: Raekwon and Kiko
MIN: Kendricks/Barr Potential Kendricks landing spot.
NE: Van Noy. Hightower for 3 weeks, then Elandon Roberts after Hightower is injured for the season.
NO: I don't have a strong feeling here. Robertson and Te'o were 3 down guys, they add Demario and Anzalone to the mix. Anyone??
NYG: Ogletree and Goodson. I think Goodson underrated this year.
NYJ: Lee/Williamson
OAK: Whitehead/Johnson Potential Kendricks landing spot.
PHI: Hicks/Bradham
PIT: Vince Williams. I think there will be a S playing nickel LB next to him. If you believe in Bostic, rock on. Braver than me.
SEA: Wagner/Wright
SF: Foster. Some might say Malcolm Smith. Umm, I dunno about that. Fred Warner looks sexy to me.
TB: Kwon/Lavonte.
TEN: Evans/Woodyard.
WAS: Zach Brown/Mason Foster (I guess? I don't trust Foster)
DarkKnightsGuru
Footballguy
Work in camp is Zach Brown has been losing snaps on 3rd downuazwildcats said:
DarkKnightsGuru
Footballguy
What r ur thoughts between McMillan and Littleton who has most upsideAZ: Buchanon, and you HAVE to assume Reddick beats out Bynes.
ATL: Deion Jones. With Campbell, Riley, Ishmael and Neal running around, I don't see a 2nd lock for this role. Anyone hear different, I'm all ears.
BAL: Mosley. Onwuasor had a stretch when he played 3 downs, but last month or so, he did not.
BUF: Edmunds. Maybe Milano? BUF might be able to support two top LBs.
CAR: Kuechly and Shaq/Davis. Davis has suspension for a month. Shaq will be 3 down guy during that time, I assume.
CHI: Trevathan and Roquon.
CIN: Hmmmmmmmm. Vigil, Preston Brown, Burfict.
CLE: Hey, CLE ran three LBs all 3 downs last year. With the new coaches, it'll be interesting to see how that changes. Collins/Kirksey/Schobert all played 3 downs (Burgess when Collins was hurt). CLE is pursuing Mychal Kendricks as well, seems to me one of these LBs could see his value plummet really soon.
DAL: Sean Lee. Vander Esch and Jaylon competing for other 3 down spot.
DEN: Marshall. No one else is up for 3 down role.
DET: Jarrad Davis. Christian Jones, Devon Kennard, Killebrew, Diggs, Reeves-Maybin........I dunno if anyone else is a 3 down guy.
GB: Martinez and Ryan.
HOU: McKinney and Cunningham.
IND: I'm not betting on anyone here.
JAX: Telvin and Jack.
KC: Hitchens. Don't see another likely guy.
LAC: Ummm, I guess I go with Jatavis. Perryman never has put it together, a small wager on a Jatavis comeback seems safer than betting on Perryman to stay healthy AND stop disappointing. Wiuth Derwin/Addae/Kyzir they seems to have several guys that could be nickel LB over any of these other stiffs.
LAR: Barron and.......Littleton?
MIA: Raekwon and Kiko
MIN: Kendricks/Barr Potential Kendricks landing spot.
NE: Van Noy. Hightower for 3 weeks, then Elandon Roberts after Hightower is injured for the season.
NO: I don't have a strong feeling here. Robertson and Te'o were 3 down guys, they add Demario and Anzalone to the mix. Anyone??
NYG: Ogletree and Goodson. I think Goodson underrated this year.
NYJ: Lee/Williamson
OAK: Whitehead/Johnson Potential Kendricks landing spot.
PHI: Hicks/Bradham
PIT: Vince Williams. I think there will be a S playing nickel LB next to him. If you believe in Bostic, rock on. Braver than me.
SEA: Wagner/Wright
SF: Foster. Some might say Malcolm Smith. Umm, I dunno about that. Fred Warner looks sexy to me.
TB: Kwon/Lavonte.
TEN: Evans/Woodyard.
WAS: Zach Brown/Mason Foster (I guess? I don't trust Foster)
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Because he's supposedly playing SLB, which isn't usually a great fantasy producer.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
He doesn't fit that at all. Gunther typically runs a base 4-3 with a pass rusher type at SLB. MFL reflects that, and I'm actually surprised it's not Bruce Irvin, that's been his most productive role his entire career, although perhaps he can be just as/more effective at pure DE.
MLB
1. Derrick Johnson
2. Nicholas Morrow
3. Marquel Lee
4. Azeem Victor
WLB
1. Tahir Whitehead
2. Emmanuel Lamur
3. James Cowser
SLB
1. Shilique Calhoun
2. Kyle Wilber
3. Jason Cabinda
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Where are you seeing that other than MFL? I've seen Whitehead listed all over the place, but would love to see him as WLB.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Thanks for the quick response. RW and FBGs both have him at WLB, which ought to be just fine for his production.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I figured Irvin would be the SAM, which is what made this Mack stuff so perplexing. That line is a problem with no Mack nor Irvin. But some Raiders follows have indicated he's slated for edge, which may help explain why Gruden is (incorrectly) making an issue with the Mack extension. But it makes the LB group that much worse. So, the Raiders defense still blows, which is a good thing for owners of whoever in the middle of the back 7 is on the field a lot.
J Giles Band
Footballguy
There used to be... unfortunately Jene no longer contributes on the IDP side. He has cut back to strictly injury analysis.
sdseagles
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
No list, but there's weekly snap count data listed somewhere on the main page. IIRC it's usually two days behind the actual games though.
matttyl
Footballguy
sdseagles
Footballguy
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Was about to say the same... I think there are enough reliable message board contributors here to maintain an accurate 3-down LB list.
That said, these boards aren't the same anymore without the contributions of Jene, Norton, et al... sigh.
That said, these boards aren't the same anymore without the contributions of Jene, Norton, et al... sigh.
jhexel
Footballguy
San Diego is one situation that I'm still currently trying to get a read on. As mass raider mentioned earlier, it really is anyone's guess. He's picking Jatavis as a lottery ticket, but I am thinking Perryman is the one own here. Anyone have anything concrete on who's wearing the green dot and who's been playing in the nickel from camp and preseason game #1? The above link from jhexel has Perryman as their green dot, but it simply seems like an educated guess and not a confirmed situation.
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Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Reports I've read have Perryman as MLB with Brown as WLB, which is not what roto has listed. I have only seen speculation on who will be 3-down, but that speculation has consistently been Perryman/Brown, so far. The speculation also consistently uses terms like "muddled" like the most recent one I read, linked here.
Kyzir White is a smart stash if you have room. He's had some good press and the guys ahead of him have lengthy injury and/or ineffectiveness history.
Kyzir White is a smart stash if you have room. He's had some good press and the guys ahead of him have lengthy injury and/or ineffectiveness history.
MAC_32
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Flying Elvis said:
Looks like Perryman wearing the green dot in base packages, but J Brown started as the lone LB in the nickel package when Seahawks went to 2 minute drill before the half. Perryman then replaced him and hopped back onto the field when they made a quick stop along the sideline. They must be giving both some work in the nickel right now, so muddled is the perfect word to describe the LB situation IMO.
massraider
Footballguy
Glad someone is talking about the Chargers LBs, because I've been thinking about it. There's a bunch of interesting pieces here, with varying level of sexiness.
At LB, Perryman, Brown both have had some numbers, both have enjoyed time as a IDP darlings for a bit. Kyzir White has turned heads in camp.
Addae has put up numbers at S, and Derwin James was just added, and I would be SHOCKED if he is not a complete Alpha stud.
All this to say, Is this a solid investment, these Charger pieces? Seems like there's a lot of uncertainty here, and I think they'll have the 2nd or 3rd best defense in the conference, which means fewer snaps for everyone, fewer opps. Give me Bosa and Ingram all day long. Give me Derwin James.
But these LBs, I am not sure if we are going to have a week in, week out guy we can count on, and I really don't think there will be two of them.
I will not go out of my way to own any of these LBs, too much uncertainty for what might not be a very big pie.
At LB, Perryman, Brown both have had some numbers, both have enjoyed time as a IDP darlings for a bit. Kyzir White has turned heads in camp.
Addae has put up numbers at S, and Derwin James was just added, and I would be SHOCKED if he is not a complete Alpha stud.
All this to say, Is this a solid investment, these Charger pieces? Seems like there's a lot of uncertainty here, and I think they'll have the 2nd or 3rd best defense in the conference, which means fewer snaps for everyone, fewer opps. Give me Bosa and Ingram all day long. Give me Derwin James.
But these LBs, I am not sure if we are going to have a week in, week out guy we can count on, and I really don't think there will be two of them.
I will not go out of my way to own any of these LBs, too much uncertainty for what might not be a very big pie.
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I am putting my money on Perryman. I own a share, so take my opinion with a big grain of salt. Appears both backers are in nickel, but the dime package is what I was referring to when I said they are possibly still figuring it out. Perryman passes the eye test to me and all the statistics with and without him on the field give credence to his importance. Even without winning the lone dime backer role, I would still like Perryman to not lose his job anytime soon. Injuries have been the thorn in his side, not play on the field. I cant saynthesame for Brown, who in my opinion, doesn't look fast and fluid in his decision making. His past production over like an eight week period has people continuing to buy, but I will invest in Perryman if he falls.
I'm still a Jatavis fanboy and I'm encouraged that he doesn't seem as out of favour as he was last year, at least for now. I'm a bit concerned though about the presence of White and the fact that the run defense by all accounts continues to be poor - if that continues, it wouldn't surprise me if the coaches try other options (such as White), even if Perryman and Brown are the in-name starters at the moment.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Any word on Haason Reddick? Started well last year playing inside but stumbled when moved outside.
Switching to the 4-3 and playing MLB could really benefit him.
Switching to the 4-3 and playing MLB could really benefit him.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
^ Correct. All sites and news have ARZ linebacker starters as Bynes MLB - Reddick SLB - Buch WLB
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
It's been consistent. Buch & Reddick are expected to be the 3 down LBs, though.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Bynes is well regarded but I understand him to be strictly 2-down thumper type. I've been trying to find players on the WW that could give me some upside and/or reliable production. Bynes is near the top of the WW list for me at LB.
DarkKnightsGuru
Footballguy
isnt Slb not a good performing position for Fantasy...
wouldnt that limit the guy being strong side Reddick
massraider
Footballguy
Back in the day, sure.
The theory being, the SLB plays over the TE, gets blocked more, the WLB gets to flow to the ball, etc. That's in a base 4-3, with the TE next to the RT. That's an NFL that we don't see anymore. Nickel offense is the base, running plays out of the shotgun are the norm, most running plays go up the gut, because it's too hard to get the corner anymore, everyone is too fast.
Get the guys who don't leave the field, and get the actual better players. I don't even consider who is SLB, or WLB, or whatever. If Telvin Smith is the SLB, and Myles Jack is the WLB, and I think Telvin is the better player, that's the guy I want.
