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2018 NHL Offseason Thread: E.Karlsson is a Shark! (1 Viewer)

I'm really confused by what the rangers are doing. I'm no expert, but I do read things by people who are. The Rangers scout has not brought a player of significance to the fold in the 13 years he has been the guy. Why do they listen to this guy. Had the Russian they picked as the number 2 forward available. Wtf. So had Zadina been there, they would have passed over him also. Now they take a goalie they don't need in round 2. 

Last year with Anderson and this year with Russian, they passed over Zadina, whalstrom and mittelstadt. 

I'm shuked. 

And I'll add that they apparently only draft Europeans now. With the exception of Kandre 

 
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So I just jumped on Twitter to see if I was alone in my thoughts. Just found this tweet

Tim

@thetimster90

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6m

Replying to @AdamZHerman and @BlueshirtBanter

So Gordie has been here since 02. List of notable draft debacles under him are Jessiman, Montoya, Korpikoski, Sanguinetti, Cherepanov, Del Zotto, and McIlrath. This is ALARMING and they’re all 1st rnds

How on earth does this guy still have a job

 
So Pacioretty reportedly was all but gone to San Jose. Then reported deal fell through with tweets of Bergevin taking to Allan Walsh, who announced was Pacioretty’s new agent after the trade didn’t happen. Sounds like Walsh put a squash on that deal. 

 
Billy Bats said:
He is today, I just feel like Calgary got the better package and got better. 
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Calgary fans hate this trade. Very nice deal for Cav and the Canes imo. Fox is a really good D prospect. Hamilton is already as good as Hanifin could ever hope to be. Ferland is solid. Lindholm good but not great and apparently wants a lot of money. 

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Calgary fans hate this trade. Very nice deal for Cav and the Canes imo. Fox is a really good D prospect. Hamilton is already as good as Hanifin could ever hope to be. Ferland is solid. Lindholm good but not great and apparently wants a lot of money. 
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Ok first reaction gone.  Ty Rude.  Will research.

 
rick6668 said:
Gave him the Jersey when we got home.  He was so excited.  Texted all his buddies and said he just got the greatest graduation gift ever!  He's meeting up with them tonight and is wearing his jersey.

I think he had the biggest smile I've ever seen on him.

https://ibb.co/nE65C8

Thanks a ton!  You really made his night!
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Do you want the other stuff?  There is a lot.

 
Don't want to say I told you so, but Dougie has had three-year stays in Boston and now CalGary.

On paper, sure, Hamilton was a stud, with a league-leading 17 goals as a defenceman.

However, the reality is, Hamilton was the player the Flames most wanted to part with, as he was the poster boy for a squad that had far too many players who seemed all too content with the shocking number of losses that mounted down the stretch.

Despite having most of the tools and stats a player could possibly possess, the 6-foot-6, 210-pound offensive blueliner has now been traded twice in four seasons – a rarity for a player with his numbers and stature.

A red flag for most teams, making him harder to trade than casual observers would think. Thus, the Flames had to sweeten the pot.

After the Flames waived his brother, Freddie in January, several things Hamilton did in the latter stages of this season indicated he wasn’t happy here.

Read between the lines on Brad Treliving’s rationale behind moving Hamilton and it’s clear problems existed.

“Dougie is a terrific talent on the ice,” said the Flames GM.

“I think I have a good and open relationship with players and so there’s things I’m not going to share. We take everything on and off the ice into consideration here. I’m going to keep that stuff internal.”

Treliving explained the addition of Fox in the mix was essentially out of necessity. He wasn’t coming to Calgary. Ever.
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Link

The Bruins got roundly panned when they traded him, but I heard a lot of the same stuff back then.

 
Hamilton traded because he’s a nerd who likes museums

lmao

 
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
https://twitter.com/hilitinghockey/status/1010593543922937856?s=21

“Listening to Fan 960, John Shannon said, "The whole team would go for lunch at Moxies and Dougie Hamilton would go to the museum."
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:thumbup:  That pretty much covers it. Everything I heard was that he was kind of a loner, aloof, whatever. Not a bad guy by any means, but not exactly a great "teammate", if that makes any sense.

Explains why there were rumors that he insisted the Flames bring in his brother shortly after he got there, and why he may have sulked when Freddie got released.

As Treliving said, great player "on the ice" (emphasis). But this isn't fantasy hockey ... to some those "off the ice" things are important too.

 
Carolina has more moves to make. Skinner for sure. They are also loaded at RHD and can certainly move Faulk now. 

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Hamilton traded because he’s a nerd who likes museums

lmao
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I was going to say he stepped on the logo again in the lockeroom but this is actually better.  jfc

Flames have a pretty terrible bottom 6 and a deep blue line.  evident by Ferland playing on the top line.  I dunno, that might be why they pulled the trigger here. but I bet it’s because of hot dog stands or museums or wayward ditchpigs or whatever.  lol

 
My general reactions to things:

Canes have to love the talent upgrade of Svechnikov and Hamilton. 

Wings lucky to get Zadina at 6. 

I love the fit of Bouchard in Edmonton. Ryan McLeod mid round 2 was good value too. 

Leafs took a bunch of high skill OHL guys including SDA from the Petes, no complaints from me. 

Edmonton has a goalie obsession. 

I still think Tavares ends up back with the Isles. 

I thought Arizona reached for Hayton and I dont think Bahl is a great player either. They took the UK trained Liam Kirk in round 7 - rumours he may come to the OHL and maybe Peterborough next year. 

I get why Montreal took Kotkaniemi given their centre issues and maybe given Hayton going at 5, it would be too risky to trade down with centres at a premium but I still don't think he's great value there. Getting Oloffson late 2nd is nice and likely makes up for it. McShane in the 4th is nice too. 

I'm surprised Serron Noel fell out of round 1. High risk/high reward but a great athlete. 

I don't see the Kovalchuk deal ending well for LA. 

 
IC FBGCav said:
Do you want the other stuff?  There is a lot.
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We will take whatever you have.  I know you mentioned a BrindAmour jersey and he actually thought his jersey was that one!

The only stuff he has is a Whalers jersey and now the Carolina one you gave him.  He would treasure anything he could get. 

Thanks

 
Gally said:
I don't see the purpose.  They aren't one guy away and getting him for 3 yrs is terrible.  I see this as something that will make it more difficult to resign Doughty.  Bad move all around.
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Yeah, the third year is bad, he's over 35, so there's no retiring out of it. I know it's the same contract the Leafs gave Marleau but the one thing Marleau still has is elite speed, where Kovalchuk has been 5 years away from the NHL and even in that short time, the game has gotten faster. I'm not sure he'll keep up. Worst case he'll be a great power play weapon but that's a lot to pay for that. Maybe he'll prove me wrong. 

 
Carl$on about to re-sign with the Caps for 8 years. 

Any guesses? Does he get 8/80? 

ETA: Bob Mac saying 8/64. 

 
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If that's the case, it's going to be interesting to see how the Caps handle the rest of their roster.

Looks like that would push their cap just over $70 million, with only four NHL defensemen accounted for (Niskanen, Orlov, Djoos ... Kempny is an RFA). Plus they need a backup goalie to replace Grubauer, Beagle and Chiasson are UFAs, while Wilson and Smith-Pelley are RFAs.

Edit: Weird that Cap Friendly and NHL Numbers are showing two different overall cap numbers. Cap Friendly's comes in at around $66M with Carlson's deal on the books.

 
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Dickie Dunn said:
If that's the case, it's going to be interesting to see how the Caps handle the rest of their roster.

Looks like that would push their cap just over $70 million, with only four NHL defensemen accounted for (Niskanen, Orlov, Djoos ... Kempny is an RFA). Plus they need a backup goalie to replace Grubauer, Beagle and Chiasson are UFAs, while Wilson and Smith-Pelley are RFAs.

Edit: Weird that Cap Friendly and NHL Numbers are showing two different overall cap numbers. Cap Friendly's comes in at around $66M with Carlson's deal on the books.
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NHL numbers has been off on a lot of things this year. Contracts look the same but their total doesn’t seem to match up. 

Caps are around $66MM with 10F, 4D, and 2G (if they went with Copley as the backup). Pretty easy to keep Kempny and sign a short-term #2 goalie and still have plenty of room for Wilson, Beagle, Smith-Pelley, Bowey, etc  

They will have Samsonov available in goal if Holtby gets injured but likely want him as the #1 in the AHL to start. 

 
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GMBM having a good start getting Carlson under contract for 8 years and unloading Orpik's contract and Grubi for a 2nd.I suspect Wilson and Kempny are the next to get signed.Really curious to see what Wilson garners given how important he has turned out to be?I would guess in the $3-4mil range avg per seems about just right.

Sucks losing Trotz without question but keeping the core together for another run will ease that pain quite a bit.

 
from 31 thoughts:
 

2. I really don’t like taking shots at players who get traded. You’re gone, move on, let’s go. Dougie Hamilton was hit with personal criticism when dealt from Boston to Calgary, and now while en route to Carolina. Hamilton politely declined a request to address all this, not wanting to toss more gasoline on the fire.

The move out of Massachusetts definitely was a personality clash, with differing opinions on who was right and who was wrong. After making a few calls, this is not about who’s attending team slumber parties. This is about role. Hamilton did not formally request a trade, but there is confirmation there were discussions about his spot in the lineup. There was agreement a move would be better for both sides.

The Flames wanted to re-unite TJ Brodie and Mark Giordano, which will happen. They felt Travis Hamonic would benefit from playing with a steadier partner, as opposed to Brodie, more of a jazz-musician freelancer. That would take Hamilton off the top pair, which didn’t thrill him. He also didn’t start last season on the top power play, eventually replacing Brodie midway through. That was another bone of contention. This was necessary for both player and team. Hamilton will benefit from Carolina: he hears everything. Less noise there.

Noah Hanifin and Elias Lindholm were unhappy, too. Their contract talks were difficult, with Lindholm’s last conversation ending in a blowup the day before he was traded. A lot of players eager to prove something.
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so if I'm reading this correctly, Bergevin had a deal in the works to send Pacioretty to the Isles for the 11th or 12th pick and would then flip the pick to the Sabres for O'Reilly, the center they desperately want.  but in part because they reached on the Finn center at #3 who was supposed to go around 11/12 Bergevin helped kill his own deal for a center by reaching for one since it allowed better players to fall to the Isles and they kept the picks. 

:loco:

 
Bill Brasky said:
so if I'm reading this correctly, Bergevin had a deal in the works to send Pacioretty to the Isles for the 11th or 12th pick and would then flip the pick to the Sabres for O'Reilly, the center they desperately want.  but in part because they reached on the Finn center at #3 who was supposed to go around 11/12 Bergevin helped kill his own deal for a center by reaching for one since it allowed better players to fall to the Isles and they kept the picks. 

:loco:
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wow. where was this reported?

EDIT: think I found it here: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canadiens-bergevin-came-close-hitting-marks-draft-weekend/

EDIT AGAIN: Hayton and Kravtsov were the two biggest reaches imo. I think most assumed Kotkaniemi would go in the top-10. But, I guess if they took Zadina at 3 then maybe Arizona takes Kotkaniemi at 5 and Hayton slides back to the teens.

Pretty interesting there hasn't been any leaks on this from the Sabres side of things.

 
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I never saw a single mock draft where Wahlstrom or Dobson fell out of the top 10, so I'm sure there's something to that.

But most mocks I saw had Kotkaniemi at least going in the top 10, so I'm not sure how much Bergevin should be blamed. Chicago taking Boqvist at 8 and then Kravtsov to the Rags at 9 seemed like the biggest reaches.

Edit: And Hayton, as well.

 
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Dickie Dunn said:
I never saw a single mock draft where Wahlstrom or Dobson fell out of the top 10, so I'm sure there's something to that.

But most mocks I saw had Kotkaniemi at least going in the top 10, so I'm not sure how much Bergevin should be blamed. Chicago taking Boqvist at 8 and then Kravtsov to the Rags at 9 seemed like the biggest reaches.
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Hayton at 5 was the biggest wtf I saw. I heard there were teams that like Kravtsov in the top-10. Boqvist was solidly in the tier behind Dahlin with Hughes, Bouchard, and Dobson. He could have easily gone as high as 5th imo.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Hayton at 5 was the biggest wtf I saw. I heard there were teams that like Kravtsov in the top-10. Boqvist was solidly in the tier behind Dahlin with Hughes, Bouchard, and Dobson. He could have easily gone as high as 5th imo.
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On second glance, I lean Kravtsov as the biggest WTF. I'm sure there were teams that liked him ... obviously the Rangers did, and Pronman from The Athletic said in their draft chat that other teams had him up there ... but NHL.com's three mocks had him at 18, 30 and out of the first round. Sportsnet had him at 19. The Athletic was the highest one I saw at 14 (most everyone had Hayton around 12).

You're right that Boqvist shouldn't have been considered a reach at 8. I was listening to the Sportsnet simulcast on NHL.com Friday night during the draft (still no TVs in my new part of the office  :wall: ) and I thought I remembered the pick being criticized, but I can't remember who it was.

 
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