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2019 College football thread - It's 2020, yo. Go to the new thread. (1 Viewer)

Bigmarc, do you ever go to Tigernet? Yeesh. They're talking like a high school JV team beat Clemson, and it was all BS and bad calls and cheating and bad LSU fans and ... and  ... and ...

What exactly were these fans expecting? I guess every homer board is like that, and guess it's only 0.001% of fans, but dang.
So tigernet is where all the good ole boys that never stepped on campus like to congregate.  Kind of like the breakfast place you always see In old movies where people chat about the HS team all day.  It’s a cess pool.  That said, I do have an account but have posted in probably 15 years. When I was at Clemson (99-03) that site was up and running, and actually still looked exactly the same as it does today. If you wanted to read up on the team, that was the place. 

 
Not that Lawrence isn’t really, really good but after watching last night and the whole season, I think I’d rather have the #1 pick this year rather than next.
Neuheisel said on Dan Patrick this morning that the errant throws were bad footwork.  he's got the head and physical tools but LSU got him rattled and Lawrence's footwork got sloppy as a result.

:shrug:  

 
Neuheisel said on Dan Patrick this morning that the errant throws were bad footwork.  he's got the head and physical tools but LSU got him rattled and Lawrence's footwork got sloppy as a result.

:shrug:  
Neuheisel say anything interesting about Burrow?  Pro football projection wise?

 
Neuheisel say anything interesting about Burrow?  Pro football projection wise?
i don't recall. would have to re-listen again. 

felt like DP was jokingly saying maybe Burrow should pull an Eli Manning and refuse to play in Cincinnati.. but then he backtracked a bit because Burrow is an Ohio guy.  but i was in and out of paying attention while doing other things.

 
I also think Burrow has the best kind of mobility for a QB at the next level. Enough where he can use his legs when he needs to, can improvise and make plays happen, but not too much mobility/speed where you have to worry about him quitting on plays early or taking too much of a beating when running.

Of course being behind a terrible OL in the pros could change things. 
Cincinnati Bengals: HOLD OUR BEER!!!

 
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felt like DP was jokingly saying maybe Burrow should pull an Eli Manning and refuse to play in Cincinnati ...
I can't recall ... what was Eli Manning's leverage over San Diego? Just that he would be willing to sit out a year because he didn't need the money?

 
Apparently he was buying their jerseys.  If it had only been seniors after their final game, no biggie I don't think.  But I saw he bought Chase's jersey and the NCAA will probably have something to say about that.
Seeing people on twitter (read not actual people that know stuff) that says even if seniors it's an issue.

 
Did I miss anything going to bed mid-way thru the third quarter of note?
Just one more LSU TD. Clemson was done scoring by then.

Clemson did have one score erased by offensive pass interference. You can check it out in this video (scroll ahead to where you left off, highlights only).

 
Apparently he was buying their jerseys.  If it had only been seniors after their final game, no biggie I don't think.  But I saw he bought Chase's jersey and the NCAA will probably have something to say about that.
Seeing people on twitter (read not actual people that know stuff) that says even if seniors it's an issue.
Yeah, some locals are stressing about it. Hard to think they'd have to vacate a title over after-the-fact payouts ... but with the NCAA, who knows. 

 
Some of those throws of his remind me of Aaron Rodgers. Just watching the ball coming out of his hand and following it into the absolute perfect spot. Hard to describe but if you line up the two you can see it.

He has the ability to really fire the ball in but I think when you have that kind of accuracy, putting more air under it and letting your receivers get to that perfect spot is more effective. 
Rodgers has always won with arm talent.  The guy has an insane ability to zip the ball anywhere off his back foot, relatively accurately, with terrible mechanics.

A young Rodgers' accuracy can't touch Burrow's though.  Someone mentioned it above but I think you have to consider Burrow one of the most accurate QB prospects ever.  The way he puts those go routes in stride, right on the outside shoulder, every time is just insane.  That's a throw that even the best NFL QBs throw perfectly like 20% of the time and Burrow was dropping them in there at 70+% this year.

(Note: Totally made up percentages, but you get the point)

 
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Apparently he was buying their jerseys.  If it had only been seniors after their final game, no biggie I don't think.  But I saw he bought Chase's jersey and the NCAA will probably have something to say about that.
Seeing people on twitter (read not actual people that know stuff) that says even if seniors it's an issue.
Yeah, some locals are stressing about it. Hard to think they'd have to vacate a title over after-the-fact payouts ... but with the NCAA, who knows.
Slap on the wrist I think.  Can't imagine it's anything big.

 
Man, how would you feel if you were Scott Frost today?  Burrow wanted to transfer there, and he didn't want him.
I’m not sure what Burrow looks like without that receiving corps and playcalling talent. I’m not saying he’s not awesome, but I don’t think he’s a day one draft pick if he played at Nebraska. It would probably look like last year. 

 
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/01/coach-franklin-several-psu-players-accused-of-hazing-in-just-filed-federal-lawsuit.html?utm_campaign=pasports_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Penn State football coach James Franklin retaliated against former player Isaiah Humphries after he reported violent hazing by other members of the team, Humphries contends in federal lawsuit filed Tuesday.

Humphries, who was recruited to the Nittany Lions, but later left the program, is suing Franklin and ex-teammate Damion Barber of Harrisburg in U.S. Middle District Court.

Humphries also names three other players, Micah Parsons, Yetur Gross-Matos and Jesse Luketa, as participants in the alleged hazing. He claims that, among other things, the hazers invoked the name of disgraced former coach Jerry Sandusky, who is in prison for molesting young boys.

 
I’m not sure what Burrow looks like without that receiving corps and playcalling talent. I’m not saying he’s not awesome, but I don’t think he’s a day one draft pick if he played at Nebraska. It would probably look like last year. 
Probably not, but it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't have made Nebraska a much better more competitive team.

 
I’m not sure what Burrow looks like without that receiving corps and playcalling talent. I’m not saying he’s not awesome, but I don’t think he’s a day one draft pick if he played at Nebraska. It would probably look like last year. 
Probably not, but it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't have made Nebraska a much better more competitive team.
He would have been a middle of the pack B1G QB if he transferred to Nebraska.  HUGE downgrade at WR, OL, RB and coaching.   Joe Brady wasn't coming to Nebraska.  Other than some message board fans, most Nebraska fans are realistic and happy things turned out the was they did for Burrow.

Not sure what happens if he goes to Nebraska right out of high school.  Still wouldn't be close to Heisman caliber with the supporting cast.

ETA:  It would have been tougher to see him do what he did at tOSU.  :shrug:  

 
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He would have been a middle of the pack B1G QB if he transferred to Nebraska.  HUGE downgrade at WR, OL, RB and coaching.   Joe Brady wasn't coming to Nebraska.  Other than some message board fans, most Nebraska fans are realistic and happy things turned out the was they did for Burrow.

Not sure what happens if he goes to Nebraska right out of high school.  Still wouldn't be close to Heisman caliber with the supporting cast.

ETA:  It would have been tougher to see him do what he did at tOSU.  :shrug:  
I'm not suggesting he would have won the Heisman.  He would have made Nebraska better though, and I think it was a huge mistake for them to pass.  That's all I'm saying.

 
He would have been a middle of the pack B1G QB if he transferred to Nebraska. 
whoa whoa whoa come on now. Even with a downgrade around him the talent would have shown and the Big 10 isn’t exactly overflowing with QB talent. 

 
I'm not suggesting he would have won the Heisman.  He would have made Nebraska better though, and I think it was a huge mistake for them to pass.  That's all I'm saying.
Oh absolutely,. Better QB than what they have which would have made them more competitive by default, but it's tough to find anyone with the pitchforks out because they passed.  I'm saying Joe Burrow at Nebraska is nothing like Joe Burrow at LSU.

 
whoa whoa whoa come on now. Even with a downgrade around him the talent would have shown and the Big 10 isn’t exactly overflowing with QB talent. 
Middle of the pack was probably harsh, but he probably wasn't going to be a top 2 B1G QB at Nebraska.  Have to have receivers to throw to, an oline to protect you, and some coaches to bring out your talent.

 
2019 Joe Burrow at LSU was miles ahead of 2018 Joe Burrow at LSU so I don’t know how anyone could reasonably predict how he would have played elsewhere. 

 
Rolovich to Wazzu to replace Leach.  Is there a bigger drop off in lifestyle/weather than Honolulu to Pullman Washington?  Eesh.

 
2019 Joe Burrow at LSU was miles ahead of 2018 Joe Burrow at LSU so I don’t know how anyone could reasonably predict how he would have played elsewhere. 
He's one of the most talented and competitive QBs I've ever seen.  Very few teams, if any, would not have been better with him at the helm.  Certainly not Nebraska.  They were dumb to reject him.  I don't think that can be argued.

 
Man, how would you feel if you were Scott Frost today?  Burrow wanted to transfer there, and he didn't want him.
He would be a day 3 pick if he went to Nebraska.   Where he should be drafted as such.  He is going to go down as bust if drafted at one.  He is old.  He locks into his first read and that is it.  When he goes to a crappy Bengals team he is going to be running for his life.  The only thing he has going for him is he has a semi quick release but that is usually cause his wrs. are running wide open.  Not going to happen in the NFL.  

 
He's one of the most talented and competitive QBs I've ever seen.  Very few teams, if any, would not have been better with him at the helm.  Certainly not Nebraska.  They were dumb to reject him.  I don't think that can be argued.
Let's not forget the OSU coaching staff had him on campus for three years and didn't give him the starting job.

 
He's one of the most talented and competitive QBs I've ever seen.  Very few teams, if any, would not have been better with him at the helm.  Certainly not Nebraska.  They were dumb to reject him.  I don't think that can be argued.
I get it.  As a Nebraska fan I would have liked to have him also.  Did you think that after 2018?  Nebraska had a true freshman QB in 2018 that put up just as good of numbers as Burrow did in 2018 as a junior.  :shrug:  

 
I get it.  As a Nebraska fan I would have liked to have him also.  Did you think that after 2018?  Nebraska had a true freshman QB in 2018 that put up just as good of numbers as Burrow did in 2018 as a junior.  :shrug:  
I was glad that they rejected him when they did, because I wanted him to come here at the time.   :shrug:   All I said was that Scott Frost should be kicking himself today.  He should be, because hindsight is indeed 20/20.

Everyone here is reading my statement wrong.  I am not saying Nebraska would have won a title if he had gone there, just that they made a bad eval at the time and it almost certainly cost them some wins.  Why is this so controversial?

*In before the very next post says that Burrow would not have been the same at Nebraska.

 
I mean, do you even TigerRant?
Yeah, no doubt. Half of that board wanted to run off Coach Orgeron six months ago.

I wonder if there are any Clemson fans still secretly holding his 6-7 season against Dabo Swinney? There were, until a month or so ago, still fans holding LSU's 2017 loss to Troy against Orgeron. Here's one that posted on 12/29/2019 that they wouldn't buy into Coach O until he won it all a second time with different assistants (the idea being it's been ALL assistant coaches propping up an inept Orgeron).

 
C'mon, OBJ! :(  

Odell Beckham handing out cash on the field to LSU players, out in the open. AFTER the game, let me stress. Hope LSU's compliance officer was on the spot.
Apparently he was buying their jerseys.  If it had only been seniors after their final game, no biggie I don't think.  But I saw he bought Chase's  Jefferson's jersey and the NCAA will probably have something to say about that.
LSU says it was fake money OBJ was handing out  :lol:

Dude, OBJ & LSU ... stop. It was real cash.

 
Why is this so controversial?
Your team is less than 24 hours removed from winning the title.  Why are you so cranky?  ;)    j/k if it wasn't obvious.  It's not controversial.  Worth a discussion anyway.  Every team takes 2019 Burrow if they knew he was going to be 2019 Burrow.  Hindsight like you said.

I don't know how coaches could live with themselves if they dwell on every miss.  Barry Sanders wanted to come to Nebraska back in the day and they turned him down.  tOSU already had Burrow on the team.  :shrug:  

 
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/01/coach-franklin-several-psu-players-accused-of-hazing-in-just-filed-federal-lawsuit.html?utm_campaign=pasports_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Penn State football coach James Franklin retaliated against former player Isaiah Humphries after he reported violent hazing by other members of the team, Humphries contends in federal lawsuit filed Tuesday.

Humphries, who was recruited to the Nittany Lions, but later left the program, is suing Franklin and ex-teammate Damion Barber of Harrisburg in U.S. Middle District Court.

Humphries also names three other players, Micah Parsons, Yetur Gross-Matos and Jesse Luketa, as participants in the alleged hazing. He claims that, among other things, the hazers invoked the name of disgraced former coach Jerry Sandusky, who is in prison for molesting young boys.
yikes . more details

@PittsburghPG: Former Penn State player Isaiah Humphries has alleged that coach James Franklin ignored violent, sexual hazing on the Nittany Lions’ football team, which included some players telling underclassmen, “I’m going to Sandusky you.” https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/2020/01/14/penn-state-football-hazing-isaiah-humphries-james-franklin/stories/202001140110?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_PittsburghPG

 
yikes . more details

@PittsburghPG: Former Penn State player Isaiah Humphries has alleged that coach James Franklin ignored violent, sexual hazing on the Nittany Lions’ football team, which included some players telling underclassmen, “I’m going to Sandusky you.” https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/2020/01/14/penn-state-football-hazing-isaiah-humphries-james-franklin/stories/202001140110?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_PittsburghPG
Kill the program if true.

 
yikes . more details

@PittsburghPG: Former Penn State player Isaiah Humphries has alleged that coach James Franklin ignored violent, sexual hazing on the Nittany Lions’ football team, which included some players telling underclassmen, “I’m going to Sandusky you.” https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/2020/01/14/penn-state-football-hazing-isaiah-humphries-james-franklin/stories/202001140110?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_PittsburghPG
Oh dear.  Not something to even joke about.  

 
FWIW, No criminal charges filed in Penn State investigation.
From the article:

Numerous team members, and others associated with the football program, were interviewed and overwhelmingly they disclaimed, or flat out denied the allegations, with most saying it was just locker-room horseplay, or teammates joking around, and they felt that the original complaint came from a player looking for a quick transfer to another school.
Not saying it is proof of the offense, but what else would those (or their teammates) accused of hazing say?

 
From the article:

Not saying it is proof of the offense, but what else would those (or their teammates) accused of hazing say?
I get that. I just added the second article to show that the school at least went thru the motions. Whether the review was a sham or the victim is overplaying everything I don't know.

 
some fantastic crystal balls y'all got up in here
Not really a crystal ball when he will be a 24 year old rookie, never watched any of his games but in all the highlights he took the first read, even when the play broke down he didn't come off his first read.  He only has 2 years college experience and only produced one great year.  The other below average.  All big red flags.  The glow will come off after the combine and when he is drafted by the Bengals but wish nothing but the best for the Bengals fans.   But a lot of red flags you can't dispute.

 
He would have been a middle of the pack B1G QB if he transferred to Nebraska.  HUGE downgrade at WR, OL, RB and coaching.   Joe Brady wasn't coming to Nebraska.  Other than some message board fans, most Nebraska fans are realistic and happy things turned out the was they did for Burrow.

Not sure what happens if he goes to Nebraska right out of high school.  Still wouldn't be close to Heisman caliber with the supporting cast.

ETA:  It would have been tougher to see him do what he did at tOSU.  :shrug:  
This is good schtick.

Ja'Marr Chase was barely open on most of those long passes and dropped a 50 yard TD that was dropped in perfectly.  No one would know who Justin Jefferson is if Burrow weren't throwing to him and Chase was a 4-star recruit that did nothing as a fresman.  LSU's O-line was dominated by the Clemson front last night for the first 3 quarters.

LSU has a zillion year history of not being able to get even competent play out of their QB and they MIGHT have one skill position player other than Burrow drafted in the 2nd round of the draft this year.  Let's quit pretending like this guy was rolling out there with Jeudy/Ruggs/Smith or Higgins/Ross/Etienne.

 
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Not really a crystal ball when he will be a 24 year old rookie, never watched any of his games but in all the highlights he took the first read, even when the play broke down he didn't come off his first read.  He only has 2 years college experience and only produced one great year.  The other below average.  All big red flags.  The glow will come off after the combine and when he is drafted by the Bengals but wish nothing but the best for the Bengals fans.   But a lot of red flags you can't dispute.
The biggest red flag being he is playing for the Bengals.  Hard to blame him for that.

 

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