So the Saints let Ingram go by signing Murray to a 4-year $15.4 M? Seems rather odd with the minimal difference in pay?
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It's dirt cheap considering Ingram is a proven RB. $5mm is only about 2.5% of the salary cap.
Was saying same thing in Ingram thread. One Saints beat writer I follow on twitter said he thinks Ingram' agent overplayed his hand and that makes sense to me.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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Teams waiting out the odell n antonio saga.....tyrell has been linked to nyg now that odell is gone
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Teams keeping a close eye on Tyrell Williams market. Clubs big on him early like BUF, IND, OAK, CLE have made other WR moves. NYJ, PIT have cooked interest. BAL has been in on him as well and SF didnt get AB or OBJ. Market may be more like $10M/yr than $12M
kittenmittens
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
kittenmittens
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BoltBacker
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Not me. It's a shame because I think he's a very good player and would have really done well in several different situations.
beef
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Nope. Was really hoping to move him after going to a good place. Best case, similar stat lines as before?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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JohnnyU
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BoltBacker
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JohnnyU
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Craig_MiamiFL
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You know the answer.Really didn't change much for me. I never saw him anything remotely close to a #1 type WR. I think he'd do well just to stick as a starter going to a new offense at age 27. He's never going to be become a reliable week-2-week large target share guy. Unless you're playing best ball, Tyrell's the type of player I always avoid.
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JohnnyU
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Colts re-signed CB Pierre Desir to a three-year contract.
Desir signed a prove-it, one-year deal with the Colts last offseason and ended up having a big season, grading out as Pro Football Focus' No. 12 cover corner out of 123 qualifiers. He fit extremely well into DC Matt Eberflus' zone scheme. Desir picked off one ball and broke up eight passes. He and Kenny Moore formed a good, not great, tandem. Defensive help should be on GM Chris Ballard's to-do list. They could use more bodies at cornerback.
That's what I like to hear !!
Desir signed a prove-it, one-year deal with the Colts last offseason and ended up having a big season, grading out as Pro Football Focus' No. 12 cover corner out of 123 qualifiers. He fit extremely well into DC Matt Eberflus' zone scheme. Desir picked off one ball and broke up eight passes. He and Kenny Moore formed a good, not great, tandem. Defensive help should be on GM Chris Ballard's to-do list. They could use more bodies at cornerback.
That's what I like to hear !!
joey
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I think it’s also good for the Raiders as a team. Just not for anyone’s dreams of increased fantasy value for Williams.
Bojang0301
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
The Raiders need to embrace the rebuild. Trying to rebuild and win at the same time equals years of purgatory.
Pick between competing or rebuilding... And the choice was made when Mack was dealt.
If you're not going to make the playoffs, the last thing you want to do is win 7 or 8 games.
kittenmittens
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Haha yeah, only need 1 out of 11 to be a buyer but... Probably not happening.
Really didn't change much for me. I never saw him anything remotely close to a #1 type WR. I think he'd do well just to stick as a starter going to a new offense at age 27. He's never going to be become a reliable week-2-week large target share guy. Unless you're playing best ball, Tyrell's the type of player I always avoid.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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The #Redskins are re-signing RB Adrian Peterson to a 2-year deal worth $8M, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. His career resurgence continues in Washington.
trader jake
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Largely agree with this post. This offseason though I saw numerous owners acquire him. I assume they were hoping for the Colts, Saints, or some other cushier landing spot. Instead he's the deep threat with a check down QB that just added a true #1.
Really didn't change much for me. I never saw him anything remotely close to a #1 type WR. I think he'd do well just to stick as a starter going to a new offense at age 27. He's never going to be become a reliable week-2-week large target share guy. Unless you're playing best ball, Tyrell's the type of player I always avoid.
zamboni
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Interesting - that's not bad coin these days for RBs not named Bell. Still cheap insurance in case Guice is not fully ready or doesn't meet expectations.
In terms of strong RB free agents, unless I'm missing someone, it seems like only Coleman is still out there. My guess is that he goes to Philly.
bostonfred
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Disagree.
They need to see if carr can play before they spend all 5 of their firsts. If he can't throw to brown and tyrell, they draft a new quarterback. Working with brown should make carr better as a quarterback long term, too - it's one thing to know what you're supposed to do, but working with someone who not only knows what they're supposed to do but can get to his spots will help him work with other guys later and improve his confidence.
If they don't need to replace carr, they'll have 4 picks in the first 36 this year and two more firsts next year plus this free agent talent to improve their team. Draft one of the stud pass rushers at 1.4, get another good one on the late first and you've replaced a lot of Mack's production, they've replaced amari, and they've got more picks to rebuild the rest of their team quickly. They need to hit on their picks, but this could be a good team in 2019 and better in 2020.
bostonfred
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Ajayi is still out there but recovering from ACL. He'll probably be the August emergency signing but might get picked up now by a team that believes
zamboni
Footballguy
Good call on Ajayi. I can see him getting a one year, prove it deal either sometime in the spring or in August as you say.
BoltBacker
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I have a tough time believing the Eagles have the money for Coleman. This is the cash-in year for RB's and if he was smart he'd take the biggest paycheck because for RB's(especially speed RB's) the end of his next deal may be the end of his career.
That Peterson is so good it makes me worried about Guice. If they thought Guice would be ready, at least to carry a full load, would they really have given Peterson that contract? Sometimes when there's smoke......
zamboni
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If you compare to the Ingram and Peterson deals - guys who have had much higher production - and factoring in the fact that few (if any) teams are still looking for a starting RB, it may not cost the Eagles much to get Coleman.
I just can't see them rolling again next year with some combination of Smallwood/Clement/Adams/Sproles unless they think they can draft a better guy.
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kittenmittens
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I disagree with banking on all of that being a good strategy.
In my mind that's a whole lot of 50/50 outcomes hitting. Replacing Amari and Mack doesn't do much, they were losing with those players.
Any team in the league could be good in 2019 and 2020 if they hit on all their free agents and their bad QB suddenly becomes good with all new receivers he has no chemistry or history with.
The Raiders are also in probably the toughest division in football. In all likelihood they will go 1-5 against the division (win at home vs Denver).
They need Gruden to hit, Carr to hit, FAs to hit, draft picks to hit, players to stay healthy, etc. It could happen, but it's very low probability for those things to all come together. And if they don't hit, they most likely have to start over again in some respects.
The Browns realized they were terrible and embraced rebuild. Now they are set up for a long run of success, so well that they can survive some bad luck.
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The Man With No Name
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Bucs re-sign P. Barber - 1 year
bostonfred
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Maybe i wasn't clear.
Part of the value brown brings is that he could help carr get back on track.
But if he doesn't get carr back on track, then the raiders will use their picks to get a new quarterback, because if Antonio Brown and Tyrell Williams weren't enough to get Carr back to good, then it ain't happening. And it's better to find that out while you have two 2020 firsts than when you don't.
I agree that a rebuild usually takes several years. But very few rebuilding teams have ever had 5 firsts and a very early second in two years to play with. That's a big talent infusion at a very low cap hit. And that is why they can get the top free agents they're adding. They're going to have two pro bowlers trent brown and rodney Hudson on the o line, carr, brown and tyrell for the passing game, and joyner and 4 picks in the top 36 of a defensive draft that's unusually deep with pass rushers. Plus about 30 million available for more veterans this year, and two more firsts next year. That's a lot of talent. You're right that it might not be enough but i don't think the browns perpetual rebuild has ever been considered the shining example of the right way to do it.
kittenmittens
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kittenmittens
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I think you make good points, and I agree that the Browns process wasn't really a good model other than the last 3 or 4 years of it where they really stacked picks.
I just don't think the Raiders are going to be able to salvage what they have, it's a real long shot IMO. Carr is about to be 28, I think it's time to move on already.
BoltBacker
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If it only saves SF $3.7mil to get rid of, I would think they may as well keep him around. Brieda costs next to nothing and last year they were down to their 4th/5th stringer due to injuries. I know there were a bunch of McKinnon truthers last year but he's probably more effective sharing the load anyway. Freeman/Coleman were a potent combination.
BoltBacker
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Just seems crazy to me to sign Peterson for 2yr/$8mil when a 25yo Coleman goes for 2yr/$10mil.
JohnnyU
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I own Brieda in two, but not McKinnon (traded him earlier). I think McKinnon is gone (saves 3.75M) and that Brieda will get a lot of carries still. IMO Coleman is definitely a sell high.
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skol asylum
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It saves them from paying him $3.75M but it will be a cap loss of $250,000 if they choose to pay him $3.75M vs cutting him. In no way does it help them to cut him in 2019. Said this another thread but only reason they'd have to cut him now instead of next off season is so they don't have to deal with the $4M dead money hit next year and would just rather take the dead money hit and $250K cap loss this year to avoid dealing with it next year. Considering how much cap space they have sure seems to me he has more value on the team then just outright cut.
JohnnyU
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If they save 3.75M they will do it. Then draft someone like Benny Snell Jr. in the 5th rd to be their 3rd RB. Do they have a 5th?
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Well if we are playing the "chump change" game that's what I'd label a team spending $3.75M non cap related cost for player they just guaranteed $11.7M at signing to last year.
JohnnyU
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Maybe they keep all 3, but I doubt it. I bet fantasy owners hope they don't keep all three.
I don't want them to keep all 3 but what I want does not matter. I know they pursued Bell but he's a different animal. I think Tevin was just priced right so it made sense. I don't think they can count on JMC staying healthy and Breida is in last year of his deal. 49'ers owners are for sure not among the wealthiest of NFL owners, maybe they really put a high value on pocketing the $3.75m, but keeping all 3 for what would amount to around $10M next year(if Tevin is at $5M, no idea) seems pretty feasible to me.
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