Based on what Calvin did I'd agree but considering Julio was dealing with foot issues at his combine, did all the drills and blew away drills Calvin did not do like 3 cone my personal feeling is Julio has the best WR combine ever.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
That is fair but Megatron was 2 inches taller and 16 pounds bigger and still ran a faster 40 time and jumped 4 inches higher than Julio. Julio is half-caf Calvin.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
For sure, my statement was premature. Calvin didn't even do anything but get measured and run the 40 in somebody else's shoes... Still legendary.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
There's nothing Julio can do that Calvin couldn't do better. This includes catching a ridiculous amount of passes and yards but somehow not scoring any TDs.
88/1444/3 vs 122/1964/5
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Calvin was clearly the better player, just saying can't argue with Julio having the best combine ever for a WR over Calvin because Calvin DNP almost everything.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Looking for a place to get a big dish of beef chow mein?
Also, I hear trader Vic’s has some howling pina coladas.
His hair was perfect....dip!
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Daniel JeremiahVerified account @MoveTheSticks
Montez Sweat 4.42!
8:20 AM - 3 Mar 2019
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Cameron DaSilvaVerified account @camdasilva
Miss St. EDGE Montez Sweat: 4.42 (!!!!) At 6-foot-6, 260 pounds That’s stupid fast.
8:25 AM - 3 Mar 2019
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Side-by-side comparison with Jadeveon Clowney >>>> NFLCombine: Simulcam Sweat vs. Clowney
Impressive.
Montez Sweat 4.42!
8:20 AM - 3 Mar 2019
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Cameron DaSilvaVerified account @camdasilva
Miss St. EDGE Montez Sweat: 4.42 (!!!!) At 6-foot-6, 260 pounds That’s stupid fast.
8:25 AM - 3 Mar 2019
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Side-by-side comparison with Jadeveon Clowney >>>> NFLCombine: Simulcam Sweat vs. Clowney
Impressive.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Before coming to Miss St. Sweat ran into disciplinary issues at Michigan State, including a lengthy (albeit unspecified) suspension. Does anyone know what the "unspecified" was?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He could go that high. If he makes it past 8 then the Pack at 12 seem like a good fit and if by some miracle he makes it to 17 then the Browns are a good fit.
Montez Sweat: Why the Browns should draft the Mississippi State defense end
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
Metcalf, during drills he was good and smooth and mostly full speed, sharp cuts and out of breaks with tight footwork. Honestly didn't think he'd pass the combine test other than the 40 but he did great. Caught the ball well too. Deebo Samuel and AJ Brown both just looked super smooth and full speed. They looked amazing. Parris Campbell I figured would test really well and he did, he combined that into good and explosive routes during drills, just seemed to run at full speed and show off a bit.
Hakeem Butler, good 40 but during drills he was slow to get to the ball and break out. Still think he's a really good prospect but he didn't impress.
Riley Ridley had a couple double catches and fought the ball a few times, not full speed and just looks like who I thought he was, a replacement level receiver. Boykin was basically the same, didn't look smooth in his 40 although fast, and then didn't put that speed into his routes in drills. N'keal Harry again same comments, smoother than Boykin for sure but didn't put his speed into his routes as much and caught the ball pretty average through the day. Kelvin Harmon was pretty smooth but he tested rather poorly across the board. I knew he wouldn't test that great but I did expect average rather than poor. He's in the middle for me because he was smooth and looked good catching the ball but the athleticism is a bit of a letdown.
As for all the others that ran, I can't find their combine performances on video anywhere so I'll have to wait for a re-run of the WR group and catch that at the right time for some of the lesser names. There are some I'm really looking forward to checking out. Ashton Dulin, Mecole Hardman, Emmanuel Hall, Jaylen Smith, Cody Thompson, and Johnnie Dixon.
Overall the group impressed, answered a lot of my questions heading in, and proved they're better than the RB's hands down.
Hakeem Butler, good 40 but during drills he was slow to get to the ball and break out. Still think he's a really good prospect but he didn't impress.
Riley Ridley had a couple double catches and fought the ball a few times, not full speed and just looks like who I thought he was, a replacement level receiver. Boykin was basically the same, didn't look smooth in his 40 although fast, and then didn't put that speed into his routes in drills. N'keal Harry again same comments, smoother than Boykin for sure but didn't put his speed into his routes as much and caught the ball pretty average through the day. Kelvin Harmon was pretty smooth but he tested rather poorly across the board. I knew he wouldn't test that great but I did expect average rather than poor. He's in the middle for me because he was smooth and looked good catching the ball but the athleticism is a bit of a letdown.
As for all the others that ran, I can't find their combine performances on video anywhere so I'll have to wait for a re-run of the WR group and catch that at the right time for some of the lesser names. There are some I'm really looking forward to checking out. Ashton Dulin, Mecole Hardman, Emmanuel Hall, Jaylen Smith, Cody Thompson, and Johnnie Dixon.
Overall the group impressed, answered a lot of my questions heading in, and proved they're better than the RB's hands down.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Montez Sweat is now the top RB in this class.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I certainly think Gary should have been better in college but sometimes that has to do with scheme. For example Michigan used Peppers basically as a LB. I’m open to analysis that might explain how he will be used differently in the NFL.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
SPARQ ratings are being tabulated.
The WRs are done and the numbers are historically high.
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Josh NorrisVerified account @JoshNorris
There are already FIVE WRs in the 2019 NFL Draft at 2.0 sigma or above Eight WR above the 90th percentile in terms of their athletic profile Historic
6:51 PM - 2 Mar 2019
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Three Sigma Athlete SPARQ, Analytics, and the NFL Draft
The WRs are done and the numbers are historically high.
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Josh NorrisVerified account @JoshNorris
There are already FIVE WRs in the 2019 NFL Draft at 2.0 sigma or above Eight WR above the 90th percentile in terms of their athletic profile Historic
6:51 PM - 2 Mar 2019
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Three Sigma Athlete SPARQ, Analytics, and the NFL Draft
Go to above LINK to see graph.
Burns is by far the best of those 3 in my opinion. Both Gary and Sweat feel a little too "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" to me. I know Sweat had a lot of sacks, but he also disappeared for quarters at a time. Sorta like Vic Beasley.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
More access to Combine information?
Yes please.
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Will CarrollVerified account @injuryexperte
Hearing NFL is discussing making NFL Network a “33rd team” next year to allow them to conduct and show interviews, private workouts, and more medical/physical.
7:25 AM - 4 Mar 2019
Yes please.
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Will CarrollVerified account @injuryexperte
Hearing NFL is discussing making NFL Network a “33rd team” next year to allow them to conduct and show interviews, private workouts, and more medical/physical.
7:25 AM - 4 Mar 2019
ZWK
Footballguy
Great combine for Virginia S Juan Thornhill: 4.42 forty, 44" vert, 11'9" broad. Not the very best combine among DBs (I'd give that to Jamel Dean or Isaiah Johnson), but Thornhill is notable because he had great college performance (with high PFF grades in coverage & run support) along with his great combine.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Combine tells us nothing
In 2008, a study in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research by a team of University of Louisville scholars concluded: “Using correlation analysis, we find no consistent statistical relationship between combine tests and professional football performance. . . . Consequently, we question the overall usefulness of the combine.”
In 2011, analysts from the University of Georgia found very much the same and added this insight: Teams would be much better off watching game tape than players in singlets dashing around. “Past performance, collegiate performance engendered a stronger relationship with future NFL performance than a variety of physical ability tests administered during the NFL combine,” they wrote. “Unlike physical ability, past performance remained a valid predictor.”
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Here is a startling statistic: Seventeen players on their Super Bowl-winning roster, fully one-third of the team, never appeared at the NFL combine.
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Here’s another interesting predictor you won’t get at the combine: Teams that invest heavily in finding undrafted free agents tend to succeed. In 2017, SB Nation writer Levi Damien did an analysis of the NFL teams that carried the most undrafted free agents on their rosters. The top six teams all had winning records, including the Patriots.
In 2008, a study in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research by a team of University of Louisville scholars concluded: “Using correlation analysis, we find no consistent statistical relationship between combine tests and professional football performance. . . . Consequently, we question the overall usefulness of the combine.”
In 2011, analysts from the University of Georgia found very much the same and added this insight: Teams would be much better off watching game tape than players in singlets dashing around. “Past performance, collegiate performance engendered a stronger relationship with future NFL performance than a variety of physical ability tests administered during the NFL combine,” they wrote. “Unlike physical ability, past performance remained a valid predictor.”
...
Here is a startling statistic: Seventeen players on their Super Bowl-winning roster, fully one-third of the team, never appeared at the NFL combine.
...
Here’s another interesting predictor you won’t get at the combine: Teams that invest heavily in finding undrafted free agents tend to succeed. In 2017, SB Nation writer Levi Damien did an analysis of the NFL teams that carried the most undrafted free agents on their rosters. The top six teams all had winning records, including the Patriots.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Thank you. Great post. Changing the perception of players significantly in what is decidely a non-football environment is just odd. But as a FF owner I am sure glad that it happens.
Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah lots of different factors/moving parts. I still use the combine to narrow down who I want to take a more detailed look at. Then I watch the tape. If they pop off on the tape I can be more confident in their chances of being successful in the NFL.
I'm not always right but I'm quite happy with the success rate.
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ZWK
Footballguy
The study found that a player's average level of performance over his first 4 years in the NFL correlated at r=0.28 with college performance, r=-0.13 with 40 time, r=0.09 with attending a BCS-level school, r=0.09 with vertical, r=-0.05 with 3 cone, and r=-0.05 with short shuttle. Only the first 3 relationships were statistically significant with their sample, but all of them were in the expected direction (better NFL performance correlates with better college performance, faster 40 time, higher-level college, higher vertical, faster 3 cone, and faster short shuttle), and one of the combine variables (40 time) was statistically significant with p<.01. So from this analysis, college performance had a stronger relationship with NFL performance but combine tests mattered a fair amount too.
The study then did a second analysis involve a linear regression which predicts NFL performance using all of these variables at once. A challenge with doing this analysis is that the 4 combine variables are all pretty strongly correlated with each other (between r=0.53 and r=0.79 in magnitude), and this multicollinearity makes it hard to distinguish which of the variables matters and how much (since if a player with a fast 40 and a good vertical succeeds, it's hard to tell whether that should count in favor of the 40 being a good predictor or the vertical being a good predictor). There are various ways to try to deal with this: you could average all 4 combine variables together into a single overall "athleticism" variable (which is what they did with the college & NFL performance variables), or you could just look at the 1 combine variable that seems the strongest (the 40), or you could check whether the regression as a whole is more predictive if you include all the combine variables individually vs. if you include none of them, or you could have a very large sample size so that you can tease apart which combine variables matter and how much. This paper did none of those things. Instead it just ran the linear regression and then looked at which individual variables were statistically significant on their own, with a not-that-huge sample size of 253, which is exactly the sort of analysis that is most undermined by having multiple predictor variables that are correlated with each other. It found that none of the individual combine variables were statistically significant in this regression, and some (3 cone and short shuttle) weren't even related to NFL performance in the expected direction. But this is not the analysis that I would rely on for deciding if (or how much) the combine matters.
