2019 Rookie Top 12 (1 Viewer)

[barackdhouse]

This is not a logical argument. Plenty of WRs have underwhelmed in Seattle despite the fact that I have watched Wilson scramble.

That's a bad twist of words but ok. Which WRs? I don't recall any that had expectations enough to warrant calling them underwhelming. Lockett drafted in the 3rd in 2015 but nobody expected him to be more than a role player, which he has proven very good at. Richardson in the 2nd in 2014 so that's one. Golden Tate in the 2nd in 2010 hardly a bust but also going back aways now. Which big FAs have they brought in? Washed up Brandon Marshall? Sorry but your twisting of words lacks logic. Wilson has never had a downfield weapon like this. And certainly not any with much hype. 

 

[Snorkelson]

That's a bad twist of words but ok. Which WRs? I don't recall any that had expectations enough to warrant calling them underwhelming. Lockett drafted in the 3rd in 2015 but nobody expected him to be more than a role player, which he has proven very good at. Richardson in the 2nd in 2014 so that's one. Golden Tate in the 2nd in 2010 hardly a bust but also going back aways now. Which big FAs have they brought in? Washed up Brandon Marshall? Sorry but your twisting of words lacks logic. Wilson has never had a downfield weapon like this. And certainly not any with much hype. 

Big fat mike Williams has a nice time there...

 

[matuski]

AJ Brown was my #1 player coming into this draft.  The landing spot is awful.  That being said, I think one of two things happens in the very near future.  Either Mariota turns his career around, or the Titans will move in another direction at QB.  My guess is on #2.  I’ll take a comparable player in a more favorable situation (Harry) over him, but I’m not dropping down talent tiers to take other guys just because they landed in more favorable spots.  Situations change quickly in the NFL

Granted I only play redraft these days.  He will be off my board for 2019.

I somewhat see your point beyond this year.  I'm not so certain they will move on from Mariota, even as he continues to be what he is.

 

[Slapdash]

Would people feel differently if Tennessee moved on from Mariota to a vet like dalton instead? I feel like that team has just about everything it needs except a good qb. Is MM what he is at this point or can he still progress? I haven’t looked at his contract to see if that would even be feasible, but brown and Davis seem like a solid young tandem to work with. 

Dalton isn't a huge upgrade.  I think even Tannehill can make AJ Brown viable, but the whole system is just not WR friendly.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

He was forced to throw that much because they could not run, that's why they took a RB in round one, they don't want Wilson throwing that much.

Russell Wilson has been a starting QB for 7 years and he has one WR who has cracked 100 targets. Baldwin with a high of 125 and average of around 114 during his 3 fairly big run but I think we can all agree Baldin had a lot more routes he could run.

Low volume QB with a limited route tree WR=low targets.  I can't see it any other way.

Brady didn't start chucking the ball 600+ times a year until his 10th season (he had one outlier season at 600 early, but that's all).  Big Ben didn't crack 513 attempts until his 10th year.

With these big contracts for good QBs I think eventually teams realize they have to just put the game in their hands.

 

[ghostguy123]

Seems like the value of the top 15 is going to be wildly different in every draft.  Even more so than usual.  

 

[menobrown]

Brady didn't start chucking the ball 600+ times a year until his 10th season (he had one outlier season at 600 early, but that's all).  Big Ben didn't crack 513 attempts until his 10th year.

With these big contracts for good QBs I think eventually teams realize they have to just put the game in their hands.

That's really a different era but more then anything you are not looking at this like I do, or me like you.  You are focused on QB attempts. I'm not focused on attempts, I'm focused on targets to leading WR's. You go back and look at the target load to WRs during that timeframe you referenced for Brady and it blows away what Wilson has done with his top WRs.

I'm legit surprised the idea of Metcalf likely being a low target guy is something that is debateable.

 

[Spike]

That's really a different era but more then anything you are not looking at this like I do, or me like you.  You are focused on QB attempts. I'm not focused on attempts, I'm focused on targets to leading WR's. You go back and look at the target load to WRs during that timeframe you referenced for Brady and it blows away what Wilson has done with his top WRs.

I'm legit surprised the idea of Metcalf likely being a low target guy is something that is debateable.

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[cloppbeast]

That's a bad twist of words but ok. Which WRs? I don't recall any that had expectations enough to warrant calling them underwhelming. Lockett drafted in the 3rd in 2015 but nobody expected him to be more than a role player, which he has proven very good at. Richardson in the 2nd in 2014 so that's one. Golden Tate in the 2nd in 2010 hardly a bust but also going back aways now. Which big FAs have they brought in? Washed up Brandon Marshall? Sorry but your twisting of words lacks logic. Wilson has never had a downfield weapon like this. And certainly not any with much hype. 

Seattle isnt a dream landing spot because of Wilson, evidenced by other WRs who have played with him without lighting the world up. The one who has done well is pretty much the opposite of Metcalf.

 

[barackdhouse]

This is the same link as the OP here but there seems to be some dust settling now. A bit anyway. Thought maybe I'd repost the link. Anyone that hasn't voted yet feel free. I think it had 24 entries when I did mine yesterday or the day before. Up to 85 or so now.

http://mizelle.net/mfl/2019/rookies/rankDetails.php?pid=ppr_post

 

[Snorkelson]

This is the same link as the OP here but there seems to be some dust settling now. A bit anyway. Thought maybe I'd repost the link. Anyone that hasn't voted yet feel free. I think it had 24 entries when I did mine yesterday or the day before. Up to 85 or so now.

http://mizelle.net/mfl/2019/rookies/rankDetails.php?pid=ppr_post

Did you guys notice the tabs for pre-post draft? Is it safe to assume these were post draft rankings? 

Is it also worth noting that perhaps the nfl is going away from the big bodied speed guys in favor of Antonio brown/tyreek hill clones? As magic football prognosticators we seemed to have liked harmon/butler/DK more than the nfl while guys like Campbell/Isabella/mbrown got plucked off the board earlier than expected. 

 

[joey]

 

[beef]

Did you guys notice the tabs for pre-post draft? Is it safe to assume these were post draft rankings? 

Is it also worth noting that perhaps the nfl is going away from the big bodied speed guys in favor of Antonio brown/tyreek hill clones? As magic football prognosticators we seemed to have liked harmon/butler/DK more than the nfl while guys like Campbell/Isabella/mbrown got plucked off the board earlier than expected. 

the tabs labeled post draft are indeed post draft.  i was on there when they started up and have been watching them grow.

 

[EBF]

Montgomery is Slow Mixon.

Same type of frame, lower body strength, balance, and agility.

Just doesn't have the vertical explosiveness to go with it.

Very curious to see how he pans out. I'd love his game if he had a little more speed, but his lack of burst could be a big limiting factor at the pro level.

 

[MAC_32]

I don't really do rankings anymore.  My method is more about trying to extract maximum value from particular tiers, depending on the capital I start with and my current roster space. 

And while the positioning of those tiers depends on format the one constant is Sanders being #1.  I get that Jacobs is going to be the consensus #1, if he isn't already, so if I had #1 I'd kick the tires with those behind you and see what else they'd give to move up.  And if I'm looking to move up I wouldn't look at #1. Montgomery should be the 3rd RB off the board, but I'd rather pursue Henderson or Hill a bit later.  The situation is a lot less clear in the short term, but there's a path if you're patient and I think both are more talented.  Best lotto tickets are Dexter Williams, Darwin Thompson, and Benny Snell.

WR? Depends on how many you start.  If it's 2 WR + flex or 3 WR then I'd take a patient approach - if one of your favorites slip then pounce.but be comfortable not getting any of the top 9.  Maybe try to position yourself to pick Butler or Diontae Johnson immediately after that 9th one goes though.  But in a start 3 WR + flex slide them all up.  You can talk me into Harry, Deebo, and Isabella as high as 3-4-5 but you probably don't have to go that high to facilitate.  The only lotto ticket I'm really interested in is Stanley Morgan and even that depends on depth of league.  

TE - in premium scoring Hock is top 3.  If not?  I'm leaning towards trying to position myself to get Irv or Sternberger instead. If Warring or Oliver end up in lotto ticket land then by all means, but if they don't?  Take a shot on Caleb Wilson.

QB - if you need one then you need to go get Kyler.  If you don't?  Consider Haskins if he slips below the top 10-11 WR, top 5-7 RB, and top 3-4 TE but there's no harm in leaving this draft without one.

IDP - a completely different animal but Bush, White, and Bosa all have cases for being top 5 picks.  The drop after they're gone is massive.

 

[Pwingles]

I really like metcalf in seattle, should be a top 3 pick in non super flex leagues imo