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I would be shocked if Trump can win - given where we are today.
Sounds like our good friend Timmy and his "I'm with her" prophecy.
I would be shocked if Trump can win - given where we are today.
Totally true but it's so short sighted... wouldn't they rather have the problems flushed out now before Trump hammers these same problems 24/7?https://twitter.com/joshjame
I asked Warren if Hunter Biden’s position at Burisma was appropriate. "I know that everyone wants to try to drag in other people. But what happened with Ukraine is about Donald Trump," she said in an interview. Updated story w/ @KThomasDC @SabrinaSiddiqui
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It’s a bad answer and Warren knows it, but Democratic voters will not tolerate anyone who points out their own side has corruption problems.
it is also an answer consistent with how every single Democrat and left winger from 2009 onward, including Bernie, treated nearly all aspects of the Obama franchise.
Lots of stuff going on, but also just felt like I wanted a bit of a break from the forum, although I've lurked a bit when bored. But I'm just really tired of the trolls, and I suppose also the people who are so bigoted and/or ignorant that they've blurred the line between trolling and genuine awfulness. Also kinda frustrated with the mods after various disagreements, and didn't want to be one of those people who stick around but whines constantly about the moderation. Decided to post on this particular subject because I think the forum is a good place to get a read on engaged moderate Dems/independents, and I was curious how they were responding to the Warren pregnancy thing.Where you been? Multiple threads could have used your input over the last month or whatever. Caught up in the Nats late season surge?
Eh, this was the big criticism of Hillary, right? Take take take for herself leaving too little for the downballott? Damned if you do damned if you don’t.Elizabeth Warren's campaign clarifies she'll raise big-dollar money for the *party* if she becomes the nominee -- though not for her *campaign*
This is the key part of the Elizabeth Warren appeal: capture some of the spirit of Berniecrats but in a way that doesn't annoy the party leadership.
If she actually has a "movement," where's the pressure from her own supporters holding her to account? Where is WFP?
If she doesn't have that, it's not cynicism or demagoguery or sexism or whatever, to say that when in office she's going to capitulate to ruling-class pressure, perhaps willingly.
This more than anything is keeping me from wanting to back her (assuming Bernie doesn't win of course). It just feels like Obama 2.0... campaign as a progressive, govern as a center right moderate.Elizabeth Warren's campaign clarifies she'll raise big-dollar money for the *party* if she becomes the nominee -- though not for her *campaign*
This is the key part of the Elizabeth Warren appeal: capture some of the spirit of Berniecrats but in a way that doesn't annoy the party leadership.
If she actually has a "movement," where's the pressure from her own supporters holding her to account? Where is WFP?
If she doesn't have that, it's not cynicism or demagoguery or sexism or whatever, to say that when in office she's going to capitulate to ruling-class pressure, perhaps willingly.
That was a corollary complaint about Hillary, that she was not only taking big money, but was keeping it all to herself. I guess Warren found the perfect middle ground- take the huge money so the party chieftains are happy, and then act like your campaign is still grassroots.Eh, this was the big criticism of Hillary, right? Take take take for herself leaving too little for the downballott? Damned if you do damned if you don’t.
Hey, thanks for not caving in to criticism and reactively posting a bunch of highly-vetted negative material on the President to show you're not biased. You hang in there!Elizabeth Warren's campaign clarifies she'll raise big-dollar money for the *party* if she becomes the nominee -- though not for her *campaign*
This is the key part of the Elizabeth Warren appeal: capture some of the spirit of Berniecrats but in a way that doesn't annoy the party leadership.
If she actually has a "movement," where's the pressure from her own supporters holding her to account? Where is WFP?
If she doesn't have that, it's not cynicism or demagoguery or sexism or whatever, to say that when in office she's going to capitulate to ruling-class pressure, perhaps willingly.
I have to say, that’s fair.That was a corollary complaint about Hillary, that she was not only taking big money, but was keeping it all to herself. I guess Warren found the perfect middle ground- take the huge money so the party chieftains are happy, and then act like your campaign is still grassroots.
I’ve criticized the president plenty. About 96% of this board’s posts are about Trump. We already know who he is. We already know he’ll be the 2020 nominee for the GOP. What else do you want me to say?Hey, thanks for not caving in to criticism and reactively posting a bunch of highly-vetted negative material on the President to show you're not biased. You hang in there!
I don't know how you do it Ren - I don't have the energy to get so worked up about so many things.That was a corollary complaint about Hillary, that she was not only taking big money, but was keeping it all to herself. I guess Warren found the perfect middle ground- take the huge money so the party chieftains are happy, and then act like your campaign is still grassroots.
It’s actually very easy. I’m doing it right now!I don't know how you do it Ren - I don't have the energy to get so worked up about so many things.
Feels like he's doing a nice job expanding the Overton window.So is Beto secretly some sort of right-wing plant? First the "Eff yeah we're gonna take your AR, bro" sound bite (which as a policy I'm sympathetic too, the phasing out of new AR buys....but God that phrasing is terrible). Last night he bluntly talks about revoking tax-exempt status of any church who doesn't agree to gay marriage. Basically giving flight to slippery-slope arguments of the past: a policy of gay-marriage his own president was against about a decade ago.
I'm glad he's <5% for the nomination. Keep him the heck away from any VP talk to please. He's an anchor to any candidate in places that matter to winning presidency.
Don't like Beto, believe he's taking these shots as a last gasp for viability, but he's expressing the way a lot of people think. Generally speaking, i don't like leftists any more than i like Family Conservatives because they're just mythologizing different stuff and that's the part of it that's stoopit, but i am anxious to see a world without gunlove, religion, jingoism, country music and nostalgia for the olden times when, actually, most of America had little voice in the outcomes of their lives. I have never worked toward the end of that outlook because, just as Democracy can't work if the populace aint ready for it, Americans themselves simply arent psychologically evolved enough to set aside our old conventions. I oppose them only issue-by-issue still, but imagine the end of them all every day.Feels like he's doing a nice job expanding the Overton window.
If a Democratic candidate wanted to deliberately knee-cap the party from the inside, he would say a lot of the same stuff that Beto is saying. This stuff is exactly what a lot of right-wingers think that left-wingers believe but are afraid to say out loud.So is Beto secretly some sort of right-wing plant? First the "Eff yeah we're gonna take your AR, bro" sound bite (which as a policy I'm sympathetic too, the phasing out of new AR buys....but God that phrasing is terrible). Last night he bluntly talks about revoking tax-exempt status of any church who doesn't agree to gay marriage. Basically giving flight to slippery-slope arguments of the past: a policy of gay-marriage his own president was against about a decade ago.
I'm glad he's <5% for the nomination. Keep him the heck away from any VP talk too please. He's an anchor to any candidate in places that matter to winning presidency.
What about Muslims?This feels like Beto overstepping the boundaries of freedom by a lot. The best way to convince churches of the error and unChristian-ness of homophobia and bigotry is to let time and their increasing marginalization shame them into realizing how they've failed Jesus.
They'll suffer the same shame and ignominy when the world continues to pass them by for their anachronistic beliefs.What about Muslims?
The alternative that some of them will take in their marginalization is that they're being persecuted for their beliefs and so must continue to do so. I would hope that most will actually crack open a Bible to see just how Jesus said to treat your neighbor or enemy, but I doubt many will.roadkill1292 said:This feels like Beto overstepping the boundaries of freedom by a lot. The best way to convince churches of the error and unChristian-ness of homophobia and bigotry is to let time and their increasing marginalization shame them into realizing how they've failed Jesus.
Omar and Talib have as well. I don't think those two move the needle though.WaPo reporting that AOC will endorse Bernie.
I think that is interesting both in choosing anyone now, but also in the timing after the heart attack.
I just don't see any of these moving the needle. People in Iowa GAF about AOC? I don't care about her endorsement and I'm an unapologetic leftist.Omar and Talib have as well. I don't think those two move the needle though.
I saw this last night - and if you are a Biden supporter - this should worry you:Sanders: $25.3 million
Warren: $24.6 million
Buttigieg: $19.1 million
BIden: $15 million
Harris: $11.6 million
Yang: $10 million
Booker: $6 million
Final update with Warren's Q3 fundraising numbers. I don't think we have heard from the other minor candidates, but their numbers won't matter in the big scheme of things.
One other anecdote on fundraising, that I saw this morning - One detail on Biden’s fundraising: 38% of the money he raised in his first two months came from 2,800 people who are maxed out and can’t give to him again in the primary. Biden is not well positioned to continue to go after small money donors, and many of his deep pockets are already maxed out. ON top of everything else - this is not good news for the Biden camp.
Despite what the polls are saying - I still think this is shaping up as Warren v. Buttigieg. Both candidates have money to burn, room to grow, and well-organized campaigns.
Omar and Talib have as well. I don't think those two move the needle though.
I just don't see any of these moving the needle. People in Iowa GAF about AOC? I don't care about her endorsement and I'm an unapologetic leftist.
Some sense and sensibility finally being spoken about AOC...I was beginning to lose hope!I don't think AOC's endorsement of Sanders means anything because it was already figured in.
If she'd endorsed Warren or somebody else, it might have moved the needle a bit.
Once he is impeached and removed he is no longer eligible to be POTUS or hold any office of honor in the US.Instead of impeached....how about trumpeached?
EZ PZ
- Trump is impeached and removed from office (undoing the choice of the people)
- Pence becomes President
- Pence pardons Trump
- Pence appoints Trump as Vice-President
- Pence resigns
- Trump becomes President
- Trump appoints Pence as Vice-President
- Liberal heads explode
There is no way that Trump does not appoint Ivanka asInstead of impeached....how about trumpeached?
EZ PZ
- Trump is impeached and removed from office (undoing the choice of the people)
- Pence becomes President
- Pence pardons Trump
- Pence appoints Trump as Vice-President
- Pence resigns
- Trump becomes President
- Trump appoints Pence as Vice-President
- Liberal heads explode
Keep dreamin' the dream!Once he is impeached and removed he is no longer eligible to be POTUS or hold any office of honor in the US.
So...no
Huh? It was your hypothetical. I and others merely corrected your incorrect assessment of what could happen.Keep dreamin' the dream!
#1 will never happen....so how could the rest, follow?sho nuff said:Huh? It was your hypothetical. I and others merely corrected your incorrect assessment of what could happen.
Check your pocket Constitution.Opie said:Pence appoints Trump as Vice-President
Heard the theory that he’s doing it because he’s sick of being asked to run against Conryn. “Try to elect me in Texas now, #######s!”If a Democratic candidate wanted to deliberately knee-cap the party from the inside, he would say a lot of the same stuff that Beto is saying. This stuff is exactly what a lot of right-wingers think that left-wingers believe but are afraid to say out loud.
The media also had a huge helping hand. Just the same way they gave Trump a megaphone, they also give her one.Some sense and sensibility finally being spoken about AOC...I was beginning to lose hope!
The only people continually putting AOC on a pedestal of any consequence are the people who didn't know what to do once Hillary was gone. They had to create another boogieman and they chose a freshman congresswoman who scared them (for reasons that still aren't clear to me). I've never understood their obsession with her.