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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (1 Viewer)

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msudaisy26 said:
If you are an active player in the league and haven't won a title in the last 24 hours then you can't be in the GOAT discussion. 
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i'd go so far as to argue that if you aren't one of the rotation guys on the Warriors roster you aren't even an NBA caliber player

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
The Warriors beat the Cav 4-1 in 2017 and swept them in 2018.  Curry's team literally swept Lebron in his prime.  I know there were injuries and JR Smith did this thing.  But let's not pretend Jordan lost to his peers at the height of his powers.
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The Bulls were a great team in a league watered down by expansion. Facing four HOFers in their prime is a different beast

 
Desert_Power said:
You're right that Curry being targeted is more about size than skill or effort. I see effort and active hands. Including when he hilariously tried to defend Horford in the post last night. It isn't going to work, but he is sure as hell trying.

Size definitely matters in the NBA and performing like he does at 6'2" is just incredible. Yet, he is still just 6'2" and that alone makes him easier to exploit on defense. It's hard to avoid having that hurt him on an all time ranks, despite him not being able to do a damn thing about it.
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I feel another reason teams go after him on defense is it is one of the few ways to slow him down on the other end, getting him in foul trouble or just beating him up/fatiguing him

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
He won 11 titles in 13 seasons. Was in 12 finals. Was also the head coach for the last 2 rings. Won 54 games in a row in college with 2 titles. I don’t care when you played or who against (and Wilt was his peer) that is impressive. 
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In an 8-9 team league where the owners had a gentleman's agreement not to carry more than four black guys on the roster.  you have to treat anything pre-merger with a huge grain of salt, just as anything before 1947 in MLB

 
Charlie Harper said:
Not saying Curry is the best player of the era, but teams hunted Curry, not because he's a terrible defender (he's been average for awhile now and I'd say above average this year), but because he was often just the smallest and is usually surrounded by above average to elite defenders. Klay, Iggy, Draymond, Livingston, Wiggins, GP2, Porter. Teams also wanted to tire Curry out as well. 

So I don't think the fact that teams "hunted" city should be held against him. He's not a bad defender at all. It's not a huge leap to say his impact on his teams offense is larger than LBJ. So overall the net impact to winning is closer than just simply LBJ is elite on both ends and Curry is only on side. 
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This is a great answer, and I hate to admit I hadn't thought of it this way. Thanks. 

 
Frostillicus said:
All time Top 10

1. Jordan

2. Lebron

3. Magic

4. KG

5.  Kareem

6. Shawn Kemp

7. ANT

8. Shaq

9. Larry Bird

10. Bill Russell

20000000000000000.  Tim Duncan.

20000000000000001. Jimmy Butler
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When I saw the post, I was only wondering if KAT or ANT was in the top ten. I do wonder where the Shawn Kemp comes from though.

 
(blows out)

I was glad the Wolves didn't draft Steph Curry. He was too small and all he could do was shoot and dominated some terrible small conference and would get shut down in the NBA and be out of the league in less than 5 years. For sure a bust. 

Now we can start the new thread. 

 
This is my favorite Warriors team of all time. Curry got the FMVP to silence critics. Klay coming back after the injuries. The Dubs get a post-KD title to cement their legacy and validate the way of the Warriors. Andrew Wiggins transformed from bust to Two Way Wigs to 2nd best player on a championship team. Then there's GP2 who dunked and defended his way from the 15th man to key rotation player. Jordan Poole was a revelation as a mini-Steph and really carried the team in Curry's absence. Otto Porter overcame injuries and way an important player as a 3 and D big. I'm definitely going to cherish this win.

 
Navin Johnson said:
In an 8-9 team league where the owners had a gentleman's agreement not to carry more than four black guys on the roster.  you have to treat anything pre-merger with a huge grain of salt, just as anything before 1947 in MLB
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Again, I don't get this. You're saying gentleman's agreement (racist or not), everybody was playing by the same rules?

 
Charlie Harper said:
This is my favorite Warriors team of all time. Curry got the FMVP to silence critics. Klay coming back after the injuries. The Dubs get a post-KD title to cement their legacy and validate the way of the Warriors. Andrew Wiggins transformed from bust to Two Way Wigs to 2nd best player on a championship team. Then there's GP2 who dunked and defended his way from the 15th man to key rotation player. Jordan Poole was a revelation as a mini-Steph and really carried the team in Curry's absence. Otto Porter overcame injuries and way an important player as a 3 and D big. I'm definitely going to cherish this win.
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Gotta agree

 
Navin Johnson said:
The Bulls were a great team in a league watered down by expansion. Facing four HOFers in their prime is a different beast
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True.  Jordan was incredible, there is no doubt about it, but the Bulls toughest competitors in the East during their championship years were the Knicks and Pacers, neither of whom were very good (although some love to romanticize about those Knicks teams).  Those Jazz teams with Malone and Stockton were probably the biggest obstacle the Bulls had and even those teams were pretty blah when you look at their roster from players 3-12. 

 
ShamrockPride said:
I never understood this take. Is there any evidence that Bill Russell and/or other Celtics made enough money to be like a a full time, year round player and not need an offseason gig? Honest question, I don't know the history of NBA salaries back in that era.

If he's playing and practicing the same time as everybody else, I don't get the advantage. Unless you're just talking about the fact it's pre-FA era, I guess that's a different discussion.
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It’s not that, it’s just that the competition wasn’t even within a million years of the game now. He was a present day player stuck in an era where most of those guys just weren’t talented. The league wasn’t even 50% integrated until 66 I believe.

Personally I just don’t think anything from any sport pre-integration means anything. It’s wild to me that people from Boston were wearing shirts with like 1956 championship banners on them. Embarrassing. 

 
Navin Johnson said:
I feel another reason teams go after him on defense is it is one of the few ways to slow him down on the other end, getting him in foul trouble or just beating him up/fatiguing him
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This isn't a new thing either. The Warriors did it to both Jokic and Luka this year. If you have ever or do ever see the Bad Boys 30 for 30 all the Pistons say they did the same thing to Magic in the finals. They didn't want him to rest on defense. 

 
ShamrockPride said:
Again, I don't get this. You're saying gentleman's agreement (racist or not), everybody was playing by the same rules?
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While not playing against the best talent. Roughly 36 black players in the league. How many times did he have to go against inferior opponents because the owners refused to sign the best players because of their skin color?

 
I think if you picked up bill russell or wilt and dropped them in today’s league, they would dominate still, especially if they had the training and nutritional advantages that these guys have had since they were 15. 

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
I think if you picked up bill russell or wilt and dropped them in today’s league, they would dominate still, especially if they had the training and nutritional advantages that these guys have had since they were 15. 
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Isn’t Bill like 6’7? He better get a jumper. 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I think if you picked up bill russell or wilt and dropped them in today’s league, they would dominate still, especially if they had the training and nutritional advantages that these guys have had since they were 15. 
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Russ never dominated. He stopped others, and made sure his guys got the benefit of it. There's no one in today's game he couldnt have done that act exactly the same with. Think Adebayo with the greatest sporting mind & will i've ever seen.

Wilt's bigger was a LOT bigger then. Then again, he was a freak - as athletic as AD and much stronger. and Old (and Loaded & ####ed out) Wilt pretty much played Young Kareem to a draw. Additionally I do not rule out him having found an Anteaternintendo aspect to his game. The stroke and the will would be the problem today. He never would have left the zone and was one of those guys whose hands could not spin a ball in shot. Dunno if shot mechanics guys could have taken care of those 60/70s guys with no stroke, byut its aat least a coinflip that they could. Still a dominant player, maybe not THE dominant player cuz Wilt wasnt Wilt when he had to try.

 
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Capella said:
Isn’t Bill like 6’7? He better get a jumper. 
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Plus, both he and Wilt were horrific from the free throw line (Shaq-bad, am I talking), and that would be hurt teams in a shooter's league now today's NBA.  Ultimately, it's just impossible to know how Russell would do in a league with this many teams and with not having a roster loaded with stars, and Wilt's bad teammate personality wouldn't go over well with a lot of current players (not like it did back then either). 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I think if you picked up bill russell or wilt and dropped them in today’s league, they would dominate still, especially if they had the training and nutritional advantages that these guys have had since they were 15. 
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What do you mean by dominate?  Like they would be better than Lebron, Jokic and the top guys or they would dominate like Shaq and Wilt did with their size?

Either way, I just don’t see it - both would almost definitely be all-stars but wouldn’t dominate.  I don’t even consider Lebron and Jordon dominating so maybe it’s a terminology thing.

Except maybe wikkid most of us are going off films and stories and listening to what others say.  I literally have no clue but my best guess is that Russell would be an even better Rodman who could also score some and Wilt would be kind of like Shaq.  Great but nothing otherworldly.

 
the Wilt thing that would have worked just as well today was his iron grip combined with very quick hops. no one i saw could even interfere with Chamberlain 5-7 feet from the hole sending that long arm like a light saber thru any interference and *boom* it was dropping thru the hole before you knew it. Russ always made sure Wilt always launched from about 6 inches farther than he wanted to and that's the best he could do......

 
I feel like Russ would fit into almost every team today, no matter what level player you think he would be.  He would be basically Robert Williams if Robert Williams improved every single skill set he had (some quite a bit).  There is no team in the league that would not benefit from that type of player.

Chamberlain is a more interesting question.  I have no doubts athletically he could be a monster.  But the game's evolution of going away from a dominant post position player would almost certainly mean his stats in todays game (scoring specifically) would drop dramatically from when he played unless he finds a team that wants to go old school.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Chamberlain is a more interesting question.  I have no doubts athletically he could be a monster.  But the game's evolution of going away from a dominant post position player would almost certainly mean his stats in todays game (scoring specifically) would drop dramatically from when he played unless he finds a team that wants to go old school.
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True, Wilt would not score 100 in today's game. But he might still score well in the other thing he's famous for.

 
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