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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (4 Viewers)

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Remember the days of Reggie Jackson being Westbrook's seldom used backup?

He absolutely worked Westbrook and the Lakers over last night.

Knicks/Lakers back to being the laughingstocks of the league. Crazy what the Lakers gave for Westbrook :lol:  and then allowed Caruso go to Bulls.

 
Why does Harden have a bad rap of causing teams issues? He basically carried Houston into relevance and being a top 6-8 contending team for many seasons.  His past is not worse than let’s say Jimmy Butler, Kevin Durant or Kawhi Leonard. Just seems weird that you are somehow painting him to be some evil team destroying villain.


Harden is known for when he doesn't get his way he becomes out of shape and becomes a ball hog and purposely taking bad shots. With the nets he made it seem his Hammy was worse then it was just so he could get traded. I forget the reporter (maybe Chris Hayes) who tweeted after the Harden trade that he was texted by a few of his former past teammates over the years who said if Harden makes it to the HoF he'll have a hard time finding anyone who will induct him teammate wise. The article I linked a few days ago mentioned how Dwight Howard hated playing with harden and how he almost retired after 2015 season. CP3 his child cool friend and him no longer talk and neither does Russel Westbrook and him. 

Get into the All star game weekend and players stayed away from him and he was picked last out of all the all stars. Even if KD didn't want him you'd have thought Lebron would've picked him earlier. That says a lot. His reputation is worse then these guys. Butler got a bit over his head but in the end Butler has the Mamba mentality and these younger players hate being held responsible so Butler rubs off on these younger guys who are soft wrong. KD isn't a horrible teammate by any means and the Leonard stuff in SA was proven to not be true. So I'm not sure where you are doing with these guys. 

What harden did was no different then Ben Simmons honestly. Harden is just a better player who's done this to a few different organizations already. 

Like it was also said Harden can lack motivation as well which IMHO as a pro athlete is embarrassing. 

 
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Where is he going to go?  NYK?  Maybe he just signs 1yr deals now until Bronny gets drafted by some team who only picks him in order to get Lebron's branding for a year.


For as talented as Lebron is still I'd stay away from him. He's not worth the drama and destruction of your team core at this point. The dude is destroying any legacy he has made the last few yrs. Every team he leaves, he leaves it worse then before he got there with his constant egomaniac GM 

 
Remember the days of Reggie Jackson being Westbrook's seldom used backup?

He absolutely worked Westbrook and the Lakers over last night.

Knicks/Lakers back to being the laughingstocks of the league. Crazy what the Lakers gave for Westbrook :lol:  and then allowed Caruso go to Bulls.


We need to Send GM LeBron a gift basket filled with Caruso Bulls highlights after the season. 

 
Interesting stats I found on DRose's MVP season when I was looking for stuff on Ja Morant and DRose comparisons. It's insane 

Derrick Rose won 62 games and his MVP at 22y/o with:

1) His top two teammates missing 57 games combined.

2) Zero 40% 3P% starters on the roster.

3) Keith Bogans starting.

4) And no spacing in a depressed offensive era.

 
Cam Johnson with the game winner! Was smoking this evening with 38 points w/o Booker/CP3.

DeAndre Ayton is awful. His effort is pathetic. Javale McGee and BIYOMBO (####### BIYOMBO!!!!) have regularly been better than him this season. Good riddance this offseason. There's just so many cheap options at the 5 to spend much at the position. Max contract :lmao:  Yeah good luck pal.  Try being able to create your own shot first... :lol:  8 and 3 in 34 minutes with Booker and CP3 out.....

 
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Cam Johnson with the game winner! Was smoking this evening with 38 points w/o Booker/CP3.

DeAndre Ayton is awful. His effort is pathetic. Javale McGee and BIYOMBO (####### BIYOMBO!!!!) have regularly been better than him this season. Good riddance this offseason. There's just so many cheap options at the 5 to spend much at the position. Max contract :lmao:  Yeah good luck pal.  Try being able to create your own shot first... :lol:  8 and 3 in 34 minutes with Booker and CP3 out.....
Suns/Bucks tomorrow. How long is Booker out?

 
Suns/Bucks tomorrow. How long is Booker out?
From what I understand he's out at least 6 days no matter the situation and out against Bucks as entered protocol Wednesday. Likely out several games beyond with Suns heading on roadtrip.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
Cam Johnson with the game winner! Was smoking this evening with 38 points w/o Booker/CP3.

DeAndre Ayton is awful. His effort is pathetic. Javale McGee and BIYOMBO (####### BIYOMBO!!!!) have regularly been better than him this season. Good riddance this offseason. There's just so many cheap options at the 5 to spend much at the position. Max contract :lmao:  Yeah good luck pal.  Try being able to create your own shot first... :lol:  8 and 3 in 34 minutes with Booker and CP3 out.....
Deandre Ayton is awful? Averaging 16 points and 10 rebounds a game on like 63% shooting from the field and 72% from the line is pretty solid.  He's a center--you think his life gets easier when the teams two guards (and effectively the teams two best point guards) are out?   Seems like a weird take.  Would seem to me that any team playing the Suns would focus on containing Ayton knowing that Paul and Booker are out.  This in turn would open things up for others to have big games--hence Cam Johnson going bonkers. By the way--Mcgee and Biyombo combined to go 1for 3 from the field for 2 points, and combined for 5 rebounds in 15 minutes that game. 

 
Deandre Ayton is awful? Averaging 16 points and 10 rebounds a game on like 63% shooting from the field and 72% from the line is pretty solid.  He's a center--you think his life gets easier when the teams two guards (and effectively the teams two best point guards) are out?   Seems like a weird take.  Would seem to me that any team playing the Suns would focus on containing Ayton knowing that Paul and Booker are out.  This in turn would open things up for others to have big games--hence Cam Johnson going bonkers. By the way--Mcgee and Biyombo combined to go 1for 3 from the field for 2 points, and combined for 5 rebounds in 15 minutes that game. 
So you didn't watch the game. But thanks for the stats, brah. 

And no the Knicks "didn't focus on Ayton" :lmao:  Good lord man, if you're gonna comment, watch the game. He gave zero effort and was abused by Randle/Mitchell all game. Gotta love it. :lol:   Good luck to him on getting that max he believes he's worth :thumbup:  

 
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So you didn't watch the game. But thanks for the stats, brah. 

And no the Knicks "didn't focus on Ayton" :lmao:  Good lord man, if you're gonna comment, watch the game. He gave zero effort and was abused by Randle/Mitchell all game. Gotta love it. :lol:   Good luck to him on getting that max he believes he's worth :thumbup:  
Anybody that has a molecule of basketball IQ can tell you that Deandre Ayton is not "awful"---and that jevale Mcgee and Biyombo consistently have not outperformed him.  Thats just egregiously stupid.  I actually agree that he's a risk at a max contract--but that also doesn't make him "awful"--which is what your take was. 

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
Cam Johnson with the game winner! Was smoking this evening with 38 points w/o Booker/CP3.

DeAndre Ayton is awful. His effort is pathetic. Javale McGee and BIYOMBO (####### BIYOMBO!!!!) have regularly been better than him this season. Good riddance this offseason. There's just so many cheap options at the 5 to spend much at the position. Max contract :lmao:  Yeah good luck pal.  Try being able to create your own shot first... :lol:  8 and 3 in 34 minutes with Booker and CP3 out.....
Suns definitely dodged a bullet with Ayton and contract talks last offseason. The likes of McGee, Biyombo and even Frank Kaminsky have shown he's replaceable over and over when he's been out. Divorce seems inevitable. 

Mistake  they made was not even giving Jalen Smith a shot and declining his options after year 2 and he became another player the Suns gave away to the Pacers. I'd have picked it up and let Ayton walk. Much more versatile offensively at a fraction of what Ayton was wanting last offseason. 

 
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Suns definitely dodged a bullet with Ayton and contract talks last offseason. The likes of McGee, Biyombo and even Frank Kaminsky have shown he's replaceable over and over when he's been out. Divorce seems inevitable. 

Mistake  they made was not even giving Jalen Smith a shot and declining his options after year 2 and he became another player the Suns gave away to the Pacers. I'd have picked it up and let Ayton walk. Much more versatile offensively at a fraction of what Ayton was wanting last offseason. 
Ayton is not as replaceable as you make him out to be.   While I agree that he’s maybe not a max contract guy—if you replace him with kaminisky, McGee, biyombo, or jalen Smith for an entire season—they drop from being a title contender to being a good team.  They become what the Houston Rockets or the Portland Trailblazers used to be—teams that have decent regular seasons that have a hard time getting past the first or second rounds of the playoffs.  

 
If you watched ABC between last night and tonight, you got to see some really special basketball. 56 last night by Bron. 54 today by Tatum.

To top it off, Boston crowd getting to shower  Kyrie with some "Kyrie sucks" chants at the end  :lmao:

 
Tatum with one of the best games I've ever seen him play.  It is honestly the most like Kobe I've ever seen him look on offense, just relentlessly attacking in the 4th qtr on his way to 54 pts.  Best play was when he gave it up against a double team to Smart who kicked it to Brown who knocked down a dagger three in the last minute of the game.

Boston doing something.

 
If you watched ABC between last night and tonight, you got to see some really special basketball. 56 last night by Bron. 54 today by Tatum.

To top it off, Boston crowd getting to shower  Kyrie with some "Kyrie sucks" chants at the end  :lmao:
And then Khris Middleton with 44 today for your NBA champion Milwaukee Bucks.

 
I hate Jokic, not because he's not great, but because he has access to world-class chefs, nutritionists, trainers, etc., and yet he can't be bothered to get his doughy ### in shape.
So that doughy out of shape slob that couldn't possibly be in the kind of shape to dominate at the end of a game.

On an unrelated note, the Nuggets were down 11 with 3 minutes left. Jokic over the next 8 minutes (overtime) scored 24 points (I don't think he missed a shot) had 3 rebounds, a block, a steal, and two assists. Nuggets won. Aaron Gordon was AWESOME as well.

 
Alone at the top of the MVP discussion IMO. Not that there's not a couple of very worthy contenders.....he's just so head and shoulders above the rest this season. There's not a another player in the league that'd have that Denver team where they are right now. They'd be likely worst team in the league IMO this season w/o him.

 
Jokic is my MVP. What Joel is doing is great, but Jokic has taken last year's MVP season, and expanded even upon that.

His case gets even stronger when you consider Murray's been out all year. Carrying the entire squad every game this season.

 
Ayton with 30pts-8 rebounds today on 14-19 from the field.  He's clearly awful and Mcgee/biyombo put up lines like that on a regular basis. 
He also played a huge part in limiting Giannis yesterday. Played like he’s got the Bucks games circled on his calendar after being embarrassed in the finals last year. 
 

 
He also played a huge part in limiting Giannis yesterday. Played like he’s got the Bucks games circled on his calendar after being embarrassed in the finals last year. 
 
Absolutely. Both Portis and Giannis were relatively quiet. Middleton was the difference in beating the Suns.  There aren’t many really great true young big men in the game right now.  He’s a guy that is solid in the post, has the ability to hit a mid range shot, can occasionally drain a 3,  has very solid defensive presence. I understand the notion that he might not be worth a max contract—but the notion that he’s not a really good/great player is just false.

 
Alone at the top of the MVP discussion IMO. Not that there's not a couple of very worthy contenders.....he's just so head and shoulders above the rest this season. There's not a another player in the league that'd have that Denver team where they are right now. They'd be likely worst team in the league IMO this season w/o him.


Jokic is my MVP. What Joel is doing is great, but Jokic has taken last year's MVP season, and expanded even upon that.

His case gets even stronger when you consider Murray's been out all year. Carrying the entire squad every game this season.


I still think it should be a very tightly bunched three-person race for MVP. The 4th vote getter, whether it is DeRozan, Lebron, or Curry should be miles behind the top three. My hypothetical vote for Jokic would be based on the following:

  • The Bucks, Sixers, and Nuggets are all roughly of the same quality. In terms of SRS, the Bucks are 9th, the Nuggets are 10th, the Sixers are 12th. In terms of just plain old point differential, the Bucks are 7th (+3.6), the Nuggets are 10th (+3.0), the Sixers are 11th (+2.2). The Nuggets have by far the worst supporting cast of those three this season.
  • I'm not going to go through all the advanced stats, but it's nearly a sweep for Jokic among any advanced stat you look at. He's setting some all-time records for many of them. The critics have pointed out that the Nuggets bench has been awful, which adds some context to the stats, but at the same time, the Nuggets have been played a lot of different starting lineups this year, and all those ####ty bench players look a whole lot better with Jokic and the starting lineup doesn't seem to miss a beat as long as Jokic is there.
  • He is an offensive focal point that takes on a much bigger load than either Giannis or Embiid (or really anybody with the exception of Doncic). 
  • Ready for some controversy? I think he has been the best defender of the three this season. I'm not going to jump in on this too much, I'll save it for later, but it's been very close between the three of them. At the highest levels when dialed in, I Giannis would be #1, Embiid #2, and Jokic #3, but that is also closer that people realize. I'll throw some stats (more traditional and advanced) and some highlights at you guys in the next week or so.
  • He is having a substantially better individual season than last year when he won the MVP with generally worse surrounding talent. Like Craig said above, if the Nuggets aren't the worst team in the league without him (and Murray and MPJ) this season, it's very close. As it is, the Nuggets are within striking distance of home court in the first round.
 
Nikola Jokic (46/12/11/3/4)

43 mins....not bad for a guy who has access to world-class chefs, nutritionists, trainers, etc., and yet he can't be bothered to get his doughy ### in shape

30 points in 4th quarter and OT....not bad for a guy who has access to world-class chefs, nutritionists, trainers, etc., and yet he can't be bothered to get his doughy ### in shape

Down 2 with three seconds left in regulation....knocks down both free throws for the tie....steals the ensuing inbounds pass and dishes to a wide open Green who misses a three footer for the win at the buzzer....not bad for a guy who has access to world-class chefs, nutritionists, trainers, etc., and yet he can't be bothered to get his doughy ### in shape.....

having a better year than his MVP season last year and on his way to another one...not bad for a guy who has access to world-class chefs, nutritionists, trainers, etc., and yet he can't be bothered to get his doughy ### in shape....

maybe doughy ### is the new way to go.....

 
Jokic is actually leading the MVP race right now.  He is towards the top of every single statistical category and is running away with all of the advanced metrics, including the defensive ones, which was supposed to be his Achilles heel.

Not just that, he is a playmaking revolution from anywhere on the court.  Right now, he is the one guy I will make a point to watch play every time no matter who they are facing.  He is basketball poetry.
:coffee:

 
Kev's Trade Value Top 50 - #25-23

A couple misfit toys that I was having a hard time placing. The 2022 playoffs are big for Gobert and Davis.

25. Rudy Gobert – 29 years old, 4 years of team control, 5yr/$202 million (5th year PO)

Gobert is about to win his 4th Defensive Player of the Year, only Dikembe Mutombo and Ben Wallace can match that. I would put the odds of him getting a 5th in the next 2-3 seasons well above 50/50 and a 6th is within reach. He is certainly the most impactful defender of this generation (in the regular season…) and him, Hakeem, and Ben Wallace are probably in the conversation for the most impactful defender since Russell. He definitely loses a bit of his luster in the playoffs where he has been really good but not quite great and teams do seem to not quite expose him but limit his defensive impact. I think he’s clearly the best regular season defender in the NBA, but once you get into the playoffs there are a few guys I would rather have (Davis, if healthy. Green, if healthy. Giannis).

Offensively, he continues to be underappreciated as he can’t generate his own offense. The dude unlocks soooo much of what the Jazz do though. He is the best screener in the NBA, he is a fantastic roll man with a monstrous catch radius (I think he has like a 9 foot wingspan or something), and really good hands. Most of that is pretty well publicized, I think, even if a bit underappreciated. Some other things that he does well that people never talk about – he knows his role, you don’t see him trying to post up another big center and forcing a fading hook shot or something, he rarely turns it over (of his 87 turn overs this year, 45 are ball handling errors of some sort, the rest are offensive fouls which I’m assuming are mostly illegal screens), and while he will hardly be considered a good free throw shooter, he has made 64% of his FTs in his career on a fairly healthy number of attempts (this season he is shooting 68.2% on 6.3 attempts) – for a guy that only dunks the ball, that is really good.

After all that praise, I have him this low as his contract is huge, he is approaching 30 (June), he is really good at what he does, but he hasn’t added anything to his game in the last 4-5 seasons (unless this guarding guys like Doncic thing is real, then he might deserve higher spot), and he definitely is a better regular season player than post season (again, unless he has developed the ability to switch).

24. Scottie Barnes – 20 years old, 7 years of team control, 4yr/$33 million

I haven’t watched enough of him to give a super informed opinion, but he seems to be a long, switchable defender at possibly 1-5 (the results have been iffy, but the skills are there). If he can legitimately play/defend at the center position, his whole offensive skill set goes from good to nearly unstoppable. People have been looking for a Draymond 2.0, I think Barnes may be the first player since Draymond broke out back in 14-15 that could actually develop into that player defensively. I would bet against it, but it is certainly in the realm of reasonable outcomes. Offensively, he has something of jack of all trades, master of none feel, but his jumper has been a little better than anticipated and if he can clean that up to become a slight positive there, he could become a very good offensive player. If he can hit both his 80th percentile outcome offensively and defensively, he’s a top 3-5 player that could fit in any scheme both offensively and defensively. If he fails to turn his defensive potential into reality or his shooting stays pretty blah, he’s more plus starter than all-star (a slightly budget version of his teammate, Pascal Siakam).

23. Anthony Davis – 28 years old, 3 years of team control, 4yr/$157 million (4th year PO)

I’m going to start with the bad. He has become about the biggest health risk of any star player in the NBA and those health concerns have also seemed to ultimately affect not only his ability to get on the court, but also to be his best self when he does make it onto the court. He turns 29 this week but he feels like a really old 29 - these recent lower body injuries might not be on-off things that go away once "healed". Bubble-Davis was a mirage. He shot 55.2% from midrange and 38.3% from three. For his career in the regular season, he is a 38.0% shooter from midrange (never higher than 43.9%) and a 30.3% shooter from three (never higher than 34.0%, 18.2% this season). He has proven time and time again that he is not the best player on a good team, and often can’t even lead his teams to average success. I am genuinely concerned that much better than a fringe all-star player when healthy at this point – I still think he’s better than that, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

The good… As recently as 17 months ago, people were talking about him as a top 3 player in the NBA. I really don't think he was ever capable of being the #1 guy on a championship team, but his skill set makes him about the best #2 guy ever. In those bubble playoffs the only player that may have played better was Lebron. When he is right and his effort is at 100%, he is the best defender in the league. He is an elite rim defender, he can defend the other elite centers in the league (nobody is stopping Jokic or Embiid, but he can at least keep them from completely destroying the Lakers while not requiring help), he can switch on to just about anybody, and he is top notch defensive rebounder. Offensively, he is one of the best pick and roll bigs of all time – he is long and is (was?!?) a top level athlete that can get to the hoop quick and catch anything, he can make the right read on a short screen and roll and exploit the defense, and in more of a pick and pop situation, he can definitely take and make a long jumper (the threat/gravity of him shooting has always been more important than the results), which opens up his attack off the dribble. Even when he isn’t at his bubble best, he’s still uber-elite. He’s also about the best center in transition in the NBA as he’s so fast, knows where to be and where the ball needs to be, and can certainly lead the break himself. When he is on the court, he’s basically the ideal modern center with just enough of an iffy jumper to keep him from ever being in the same conversation as top tier recent HOFers like Garnett or Duncan. If he get’s healthy and the Lakers go on an improbable run to make some noise in the playoffs, ignore that first paragraph. If he isn’t right for the playoffs, that first paragraph becomes a whole lot more important than the second.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Alone at the top of the MVP discussion IMO.


ShamrockPride said:
Jokic is my MVP. What Joel is doing is great, but Jokic has taken last year's MVP season, and expanded even upon that.


Kev4029 said:
I still think it should be a very tightly bunched three-person race for MVP. The 4th vote getter, whether it is DeRozan, Lebron, or Curry should be miles behind the top three.
I think it's a clear 2 man race now.  Here's Vegas odds as of this morning, in tiers.

Joel Embiid (Philadelphia)-115
Nikola Jokic (Denver)+220

Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee)+600

Ja Morant (Memphis)+1100
DeMar DeRozan (Chicago)+1500

Luka Doncic (Dallas)+2500
Steph Curry (Golden State)+2800
Devin Booker (Phoenix)+2800

KD + 15000

 
I think it's a clear 2 man race now.  Here's Vegas odds as of this morning, in tiers.

Joel Embiid (Philadelphia)-115
Nikola Jokic (Denver)+220

Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee)+600

Ja Morant (Memphis)+1100
DeMar DeRozan (Chicago)+1500

Luka Doncic (Dallas)+2500
Steph Curry (Golden State)+2800
Devin Booker (Phoenix)+2800

KD + 15000
The odds might show its a two person race, but it's very clear to me that Giannis/Jokic/Embiid are very close and it should come down to the next 20 games or whatever. I think it's insulting to Giannis that he isn't being considered in that conversation. Really, I think he has been a better player than Embiid this year, he just gets a very slight demerit because the Bucks have been a slight disappoint this season after you consider that Lopez was a key to their success.

 
Kev's Trade Value Top 50 - #25-23

A couple misfit toys that I was having a hard time placing. The 2022 playoffs are big for Gobert and Davis.

25. Rudy Gobert – 29 years old, 4 years of team control, 5yr/$202 million (5th year PO)

Gobert is about to win his 4th Defensive Player of the Year, only Dikembe Mutombo and Ben Wallace can match that. I would put the odds of him getting a 5th in the next 2-3 seasons well above 50/50 and a 6th is within reach. He is certainly the most impactful defender of this generation (in the regular season…) and him, Hakeem, and Ben Wallace are probably in the conversation for the most impactful defender since Russell. He definitely loses a bit of his luster in the playoffs where he has been really good but not quite great and teams do seem to not quite expose him but limit his defensive impact. I think he’s clearly the best regular season defender in the NBA, but once you get into the playoffs there are a few guys I would rather have (Davis, if healthy. Green, if healthy. Giannis).

Offensively, he continues to be underappreciated as he can’t generate his own offense. The dude unlocks soooo much of what the Jazz do though. He is the best screener in the NBA, he is a fantastic roll man with a monstrous catch radius (I think he has like a 9 foot wingspan or something), and really good hands. Most of that is pretty well publicized, I think, even if a bit underappreciated. Some other things that he does well that people never talk about – he knows his role, you don’t see him trying to post up another big center and forcing a fading hook shot or something, he rarely turns it over (of his 87 turn overs this year, 45 are ball handling errors of some sort, the rest are offensive fouls which I’m assuming are mostly illegal screens), and while he will hardly be considered a good free throw shooter, he has made 64% of his FTs in his career on a fairly healthy number of attempts (this season he is shooting 68.2% on 6.3 attempts) – for a guy that only dunks the ball, that is really good.

After all that praise, I have him this low as his contract is huge, he is approaching 30 (June), he is really good at what he does, but he hasn’t added anything to his game in the last 4-5 seasons (unless this guarding guys like Doncic thing is real, then he might deserve higher spot), and he definitely is a better regular season player than post season (again, unless he has developed the ability to switch).
I've been a big fan of Gobert for a while, but I swear he has the WORST hands in all of the NBA when he has the ball.  At least 5 times every game a simple swipe at the ball and it comes loose.  For some reason he cannot hang on to it when there is any sort of contact and he loses a ton of and-1 opportunities because of it or has to regather after it comes loose and then can't take the shot.  A lot of times they call a foul, but there are others when he simply loses it to the slightest touch by a defender.  Absolutely drives me nuts watching him play.

 
I think it's insulting to Giannis that he isn't being considered in that conversation. Really, I think he has been a better player than Embiid this year, he just gets a very slight demerit because the Bucks have been a slight disappoint this season after you consider that Lopez was a key to their success.


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CletiusMaximus said:
He also played a huge part in limiting Giannis yesterday. Played like he’s got the Bucks games circled on his calendar after being embarrassed in the finals last year. 
 
And therein lies his problem. His motor runs way too cold too often where he's not even noticeable on the court. I've watched every Suns game either on tv or in person and there's been zero difference in the team when Aytons been out with any combo of McGee/Biyombo/Frank the Tank.  Really hasn't mattered when CP3s been out there. They've all put up monster stats when Aytons been out at all the various points he was this season. They've been very good when he's out there.....and even been better when he's been out injured etc . (18-3 record). And if you want to be a "box score analyst", the advanced stats aren't any different between a guy wanting max money and guys making near NBA min wage. Very easy choice to move on if someone offers something outrageous in offseason. Way too many effort concerns over the years to invest heavily long term. Imagine Suns will move on if he's offered anything remotely near max money and will concentrate locking up Cam Johnson. 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
He also played a huge part in limiting Giannis yesterday.
 
As did the referees.  I've never seen a player of Giannis's caliber routinely get called for ticky-tack fouls the way he does.  

 
Stinkin Ref said:
Nikola Jokic (46/12/11/3/4)

43 mins....not bad for a guy who has access to world-class chefs, nutritionists, trainers, etc., and yet he can't be bothered to get his doughy ### in shape

30 points in 4th quarter and OT....not bad for a guy who has access to world-class chefs, nutritionists, trainers, etc., and yet he can't be bothered to get his doughy ### in shape

Down 2 with three seconds left in regulation....knocks down both free throws for the tie....steals the ensuing inbounds pass and dishes to a wide open Green who misses a three footer for the win at the buzzer....not bad for a guy who has access to world-class chefs, nutritionists, trainers, etc., and yet he can't be bothered to get his doughy ### in shape.....

having a better year than his MVP season last year and on his way to another one...not bad for a guy who has access to world-class chefs, nutritionists, trainers, etc., and yet he can't be bothered to get his doughy ### in shape....

maybe doughy ### is the new way to go.....
I feel attacked.  ;)  

 
Every time I see Lou Williams, all I think about is how he got kicked out of the bubble for going to a strip club.

:lmao:

 
Was in Vegas this weekend and put money on Ja at +685.

If Grizz get into the Top 2 in the West, I don't see why it couldn't be Ja. He'll have the storyline and the highlights to back it up and honestly....who would have guess the Grizzlies would finish Top 3 in the West. 

 
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