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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (3 Viewers)

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General Malaise said:
I'm just needling a bit but I do think that CJ line needs to be addressed. Believe me, I too once fell in lust with his skill set.  But time and time again, he wilts when it matters most.  You can have an off night shooting.  Happens to everybody.  But when he's off, he's not really going to contribute anywhere else.  He doesn't even pretend to play defense, he won't look to pass, he will not go after rebounds, he is never going to dive for loose balls, he is just going to keep shooting. 

Good luck next year and beyond. I hope Zion turns into Mega Star because he's fun to watch for sure.  But again, it's hard to watch him when he NEVER plays.  
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Fair enough. Interesting. I'd say (and have griped about it in this thread :lol:  ) much of that about B.I. last year.  I think Green 100% coached him out of that. Will be interesting to see if he can do the same with CJ.  And, hopefully, Zion. 

 
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Nathan R. Jessep said:
Fair enough. Interesting. I'd say (and have griped about it in this thread :lol:  ) much of that about B.I. last year.  I think Green 100% coached him out of that. Will be interesting to see if he can do the same with CJ.  And, hopefully, Zion. 
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Eh.....at this point in his career, CJ is what he is.  He and Chauncey got along about as well as oil and water.  He doesn't really take to coaching.  He's a very aloof guy with plenty of outside interests (I want to get my hands on some of his wines) and a very good shooter who can swing games with his shots.  But I don't think Phil Jackson could get him to change his style.  My 2 cents and I hope I'm wrong!  Go Pels.  League is more fun when New Orleans is involved. Same for the NFL.

 
Should be an interesting offseason for Utah. Don't know how they run it back with current squad who I think are all under contract next year.

Ugly 1st round exit with vet team. 3 of 5 starters will be 30 or older come next season. Conley's mostly sucked since coming to Utah. I can definitely see Gobert being dealt.Great defensive player.....but hasn't had huge impact on games overall the last 2 playoffs with teams getting him out away from hoop 

 
Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Never been a fan of Chris Paul, but his appreciation for the people of New Orleans last night, and their appreciation for him, was one of my favorite moments of the playoffs. Maybe even enough to change my opinion of Paul.  
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Yeah, agreed. I wanted to hate him, as a former one-of-our-own, but that made it difficult. 

 
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Nathan R. Jessep said:
Fair enough. Interesting. I'd say (and have griped about it in this thread :lol:  ) much of that about B.I. last year.  I think Green 100% coached him out of that. Will be interesting to see if he can do the same with CJ.  And, hopefully, Zion. 
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we get to see if Green is the strategic equivalent to what he is inspirationally.

as i've said before, there is a solution to the Zion thing if someone can get the big fella to swallow it (and the strength of this new wave of leadership coaches seems to be getting players to buy in to a winning concept). use him the same way Julius Randle & Domantas Sabonis found their value - as a backup smallball 5s. convince him that finishing instead of starting is the best way to achieve team aims AND limit his minutes/wear&tear. Pels could have 2 of their big 3 on the floor all the time, Zion would lead the league in +20s in under 30 minutes and CJ & BI's autonomies would not be drastically upset. find a hustle guard like Delon Wright or Payton Jr (to bring up the ball and take on the other team's usage guy) with the MLE or in the draft (i got lost wondering if/where they have a pick), then ask CJ to be their Harden and you got a contender.

 
wikkidpissah said:
we get to see if Green is the strategic equivalent to what he is inspirationally.

as i've said before, there is a solution to the Zion thing if someone can get the big fella to swallow it (and the strength of this new wave of leadership coaches seems to be getting players to buy in to a winning concept). use him the same way Julius Randle & Domantas Sabonis found their value - as a backup smallball 5s. convince him that finishing instead of starting is the best way to achieve team aims AND limit his minutes/wear&tear. Pels could have 2 of their big 3 on the floor all the time, Zion would lead the league in +20s in under 30 minutes and CJ & BI's autonomies would not be drastically upset. find a hustle guard like Delon Wright or Payton Jr (to bring up the ball and take on the other team's usage guy) with the MLE or in the draft (i got lost wondering if/where they have a pick), then ask CJ to be their Harden and you got a contender.
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Agreed. And yes we have a pick that should be a good one, with still a small chance of being a really good one. We either get a spot in 1-4 (smaller chance) or 8-11 (most likely).  But hey, we defied the odds a couple years ago. ;)  

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Agreed. And yes we have a pick that should be a good one, with still a small chance of being a really good one. We either get a spot in 1-4 (smaller chance) or 8-11 (most likely).  But hey, we defied the odds a couple years ago. ;)  
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yeah, see? Ringer (i dont pay attention to these things til i have to) has the Pels taking hustle-guard, money-Badger Johnny Davis, JUST the kind of player i was talking about

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Unpopular opinion but I'd move Zion.
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Not that unpopular. Many Pelicans fans around here assume Zion is being traded soon. They say that's the reason he didn't play at the end of the regular season or in the playoffs -- that he's been healthy enough to play for two months, but that David Griffin wants to protect Zion as a trade asset and didn't want him getting injured again.

 
Doug B said:
Not that unpopular. Many Pelicans fans around here assume Zion is being traded soon. They say that's the reason he didn't play at the end of the regular season or in the playoffs -- that he's been healthy enough to play for two months, but that David Griffin wants to protect Zion as a trade asset and didn't want him getting injured again.
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Hmm, that's just the fan hearsay I assume? None of the team reports have alluded to that in any way. Zion said he's ready to sign the extension. I do wonder if seeing the success the team has had without him may have opened his eyes a little bit. And perhaps seeing the debacles that have happened recently with other big name players looking for the proverbial greener grass. 

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Hmm, that's just the fan hearsay I assume? None of the team reports have alluded to that in any way. Zion said he's ready to sign the extension. I do wonder if seeing the success the team has had without him may have opened his eyes a little bit. And perhaps seeing the debacles that have happened recently with other big name players looking for the proverbial greener grass.
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To the bolded: definitely. You can start reading this Saintsreport thread here on pgs 5-6 to get the gist. Those posts are mostly from February and March**, but some fans still haven't let that resentment go. It's kind of a small-market-fan inferiority complex -- reject the player before they reject your team. Saw it happen with Anthony Davis, too.

Getting back to Zion, there's even this post from as recent as right after Game 6 last night:

Madmarsha said:
I hope Zion can be all that he can be next year.

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Probably won't be for this team. I think Griff is going to do his best to trade him.
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** I didn't follow the season closely enough to be aware that Zion "not taking CJ McCollum's calls" or "not reaching out to CJ" was a thing. Bent some fans way out of shape. I also wasn't up on what was going on with Zion's stepfather not wanting him playing in New Orleans -- is that even a real thing?

 
Doug B said:
** I didn't follow the season closely enough to be aware that Zion "not taking CJ McCollum's calls" or "not reaching out to CJ" was a thing. Bent some fans way out of shape. I also wasn't up on what was going on with Zion's stepfather not wanting him playing in New Orleans -- is that even a real thing?
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National media jumped on the little nugget that Zion didn't call CJ and welcome him to the team when we acquired him. He talked to him in the days that followed though, no reporting on that. :lol:  

I don't know anything on the stepfather other than the interview (with Jordy) from a couple weeks ago saying he expected him to play this season. He indicated that nobody in Zion's camp (himself, any close family members, nor Zion) had ever indicated that he wanted out of New Orleans. 

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
National media jumped on the little nugget that Zion didn't call CJ and welcome him to the team when we acquired him. He talked to him in the days that followed though, no reporting on that. :lol:  

I don't know anything on the stepfather other than the interview (with Jordy) from a couple weeks ago saying he expected him to play this season. He indicated that nobody in Zion's camp (himself, any close family members, nor Zion) had ever indicated that he wanted out of New Orleans. 
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Well, it wasn't that he didn't call him right away.  I think it had been a week or two.  Then after the media reported it, they talked.

 
The larger point, which I argued a while back is all of that was noise and speculation. I didn't buy it. 

How about we hear, FINALLY, from the man himself:

Zion Williamson on an extension with Pelicans: 'Wouldn't be able to sign it fast enough'

It was a steep turnaround from much of the rhetoric that had swirled throughout the season, including Williamson getting slammed after it was revealed by CJ McCollum he hadn't yet heard from the Pelicans forward following the midseason trade that brought the veteran guard into town. That was during the period Williamson was in a "bad place," he said, and texted his new teammate to apologize shortly thereafter.

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Rumors swirled heading into the playoffs that Williamson might make a return amid a playoff run, and that might've served true had the Pelicans advanced. The 21-year-old said physically he felt like he could've played. He said he, the front office and the team agreed longevity was better than rushing back. It was a constant refrain throughout Williamson's first season as well, but things appear headed in the right direction this time around.

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And there's one last thing he wanted to clear up before heading into an offseason before what will be one of the most highly anticipated seasons in franchise history.

“I can’t control rumors and how people feel about certain things. … Anybody that knows me knows I want to be here," he said.
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Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Never been a fan of Chris Paul, but his appreciation for the people of New Orleans last night, and their appreciation for him, was one of my favorite moments of the playoffs. Maybe even enough to change my opinion of Paul.  
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That might be the first thing Paul has done that I liked. Very classy. 

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
The larger point, which I argued a while back is all of that was noise and speculation. I didn't buy it. 

How about we hear, FINALLY, from the man himself:

Zion Williamson on an extension with Pelicans: 'Wouldn't be able to sign it fast enough'
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I am not sure what to think about Zion wanting to stay in New Orleans or not. I would take this with a grain of slat though. New Orleans can offer him a lot more than anyone else. A LOT. There is nothing stopping him from getting the extension and then 6 months later demanding a trade. 

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
National media jumped on the little nugget that Zion didn't call CJ and welcome him to the team when we acquired him. He talked to him in the days that followed though, no reporting on that. :lol:  

I don't know anything on the stepfather other than the interview (with Jordy) from a couple weeks ago saying he expected him to play this season. He indicated that nobody in Zion's camp (himself, any close family members, nor Zion) had ever indicated that he wanted out of New Orleans. 
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Really weird.  The national media didn’t report on it, yet I knew about it.   And I’m not a Pels fan.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
That Zion talked to CJ
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Ah, ok I was probably being a tad hyperbolic there, but there was not nearly as much press on that as when it came out that CJ hadn't heard from Zion. I know I know, not as many clicks.  But now we definitively know why, and it was not because Zion didn't want to be in Nola. 

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Ah, ok I was probably being a tad hyperbolic there, but there was not nearly as much press on that as when it came out that CJ hadn't heard from Zion. I know I know, not as many clicks.  But now we definitively know why, and it was not because Zion didn't want to be in Nola. 
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The media’s reporting of Zion has indeed been odd.  Not clear to me if that is the media being inept, or Zion trying to do PR damage control.

 
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Sources: 76ers All-NBA star Joel Embiid suffered a right orbital fracture and mild concussion in series-clinching Game 6 win last night in Toronto. He will be listed as out and there is no timetable for his return.
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Whoa.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Embiid injury with them up 29 and less than 4 mins remaining.
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This is absolutely right. Nobody is coming back from 29 down with 4 minutes left. Nobody in any situation. Doc Rivers carries a lot of the blame for not getting his superstar out of the game.

This sucks though. The Sixers are seriously snakebitten.

 
Insein said:
No it's not. Close out game. Playoffs. If it's the regular season, yea he's out. 
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It’s not even possible to score 29 points in 4 game minutes. All these coaches risk it in these situations and sometimes you get burned. It’s dumb. 

 
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Without Embiid—I definitely expect Miami to win the series.  They have talent and they have depth.   The Sixers had a lot of talent (much of which is in the form of Embiid)—but very little depth. With that said—I do see Embiid as being out as being the ultimate litmus test for Harden.  Before Embiid went out—a Harden that would score 10-15 points and dish out around 10 assists worked for the scheme of the Sixers offense. For this series to be remotely interesting in the games that Embiid misses—Harden needs to go back to being a 25 plus point, and 10 or so assist guy.  Will be interesting to see how he responds. 

 
Insein said:
And? It's the playoffs. The previous 44 minutes were safe from an elbow?
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You don't take the risk at that point. Elimination game up 3O 4 mins left putting your best player still out there who's also controversial is a recipe for disaster. I'm not insinuating injuring guys is right and I don't think it was a dirty play since most of these guys are charging in with Elbow/shoulder tackles not being called that should be in the NBA as an offensive foul, however to think something won't happen is just dumb and coaching malpractice. You'd think after the DRose first injury a decade ago these coaches would learn blow out game 4-5 mins left you sit the starters and put the guys at the end of the bench in. This is a fireable offense for Doc Rivers in a long list of them over his career. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Without Embiid—I definitely expect Miami to win the series.  They have talent and they have depth.   The Sixers had a lot of talent (much of which is in the form of Embiid)—but very little depth. With that said—I do see Embiid as being out as being the ultimate litmus test for Harden.  Before Embiid went out—a Harden that would score 10-15 points and dish out around 10 assists worked for the scheme of the Sixers offense. For this series to be remotely interesting in the games that Embiid misses—Harden needs to go back to being a 25 plus point, and 10 or so assist guy.  Will be interesting to see how he responds. 
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He'll do his usually 6-24 shooting and live at the FT line with 12 Attempts per game to make his numbers look better then they were. 

 
DJackson10 said:
You don't take the risk at that point. Elimination game up 3O 4 mins left putting your best player still out there who's also controversial is a recipe for disaster. I'm not insinuating injuring guys is right and I don't think it was a dirty play since most of these guys are charging in with Elbow/shoulder tackles not being called that should be in the NBA as an offensive foul, however to think something won't happen is just dumb and coaching malpractice. You'd think after the DRose first injury a decade ago these coaches would learn blow out game 4-5 mins left you sit the starters and put the guys at the end of the bench in. This is a fireable offense for Doc Rivers in a long list of them over his career. 
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Look Doc Rivers has plenty to get fired for and plenty to kill him over. I'm not even thinking twice about leaving his players in a minute a two longer than needed in a playoff game. 

What if the elbow happens at 8mins left? Or 3rd quarter? Should be have pulled him then too?

 
Can an orbital bone be protected with a face shield, like Chauncey Billups used one year in the playoffs for Detroit? Can’t remember Billups’ specific injury, though.

 
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