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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (1 Viewer)

Dr. Octopus said:
Boldin left the team and announced his retirement.
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I don't blame him. He was told the team was trying for a championship and it has become obvious that they're more interested in setting up for the long-term. That was pretty messed up from Beane.

 
This doesn't look good for Beane and McDermott.  I hope they don't lose the players trust already.  

With Browns and Rams turning themselves around, you gotta think the Bills are the most dysfunctional team in the NFL. 

 
Am I the only one who doesn't understand the Peterman hype?  I've watched these preseason games and a number of his college games.  Dude looks like a serviceable NFL backup to me.....not much more than that.  People are going ape#### and calling for him to start week 1......I don't see it.  I'm happy to be wrong and I certainly hope he ends up being a superstar, but it's way too early to project that.

 
Peterman has looked "OK".  He doesn't have a big NFL type of arm but he seems like you said a good serviceable back-up type at this point.  If the season gets ugly, I can see him playing some late in the year for sure.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Am I the only one who doesn't understand the Peterman hype?  I've watched these preseason games and a number of his college games.  Dude looks like a serviceable NFL backup to me.....not much more than that.  People are going ape#### and calling for him to start week 1......I don't see it.  I'm happy to be wrong and I certainly hope he ends up being a superstar, but it's way too early to project that.
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There's always a clamor for the backup when the starter hasn't proven himself to be a stud. 

And I agree. He has made a few nice throws against the twos, but his footwork hasn't been great, his arm still isn't very impressive and he has been downright awful against the blitz so far.

 
GroveDiesel said:
There's always a clamor for the backup when the starter hasn't proven himself to be a stud. 

And I agree. He has made a few nice throws against the twos, but his footwork hasn't been great, his arm still isn't very impressive and he has been downright awful against the blitz so far.
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Yep same thing happening with Brandon Allen in Jax. Happens without fail.

 
Tool said:
Yep same thing happening with Brandon Allen in Jax. Happens without fail.
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OT but I would say there hasn't been enough talk about Allen actually - even though he's probably looked the best out of the three QBs in preseason for Jax. Seems like he's an afterthought.

 
Where it hurts is in the compensatory selection process.  Boldin leaving and Streater being banged up makes Holmes likely to stick.

We have to cut 3 players by Week 10 to probably be awarded a 3rd for Gilmore.

Duccasse is likely one of them. He'll be cut once Henderson comes off suspension.

Ryan Davis will likely be cut with Yarbo passing him on the depth chart.

I'm curious if they can cut Holmes and sign him back.

Maybe some surprise WR cuts happen around the league.

 
Why the hell don't they cut Henderson? He seems like a nice enough guy and the NFL screwed him on the marijuana suspension (he has Crohn's disease), but he's so horrible at OT that it hurts watching him.

 
Eh, would you rather be 7-9 or 8-8 and end up with another Don't Whitner or 3-13 and draft a QB?

It sucks to know that the playoff drought will extend another year, but might as well go all in on a tank job and try to get a QB at this point.

 
flysack said:
Why the hell don't they cut Henderson? He seems like a nice enough guy and the NFL screwed him on the marijuana suspension (he has Crohn's disease), but he's so horrible at OT that it hurts watching him.
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The O-line looks like it could be a total disaster. I have a growing concern that the Bills could end up using a high draft pick in a QB next year only to see him get ruined playing behind a nightmare of a line. Glenn may never be healthy, Wood and Incognito are reaching the ends of their careers and the right side of the line has been awful (although Miller has seemed servicable. Not sure why Ducasse continues to get reps there).

 
GroveDiesel said:
Eh, would you rather be 7-9 or 8-8 and end up with another Don't Whitner or 3-13 and draft a QB?

It sucks to know that the playoff drought will extend another year, but might as well go all in on a tank job and try to get a QB at this point.
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As soon as they announced the trades, I gave up any hope of a competitive team. I wish they'd deal McCoy, Taylor (if they can get anything for him), even Dareus. Sadly, they might still win at least 4 games due to Miami, and the Jets.

 
Grigs Allmoon said:
As soon as they announced the trades, I gave up any hope of a competitive team. I wish they'd deal McCoy, Taylor (if they can get anything for him), even Dareus. Sadly, they might still win at least 4 games due to Miami, and the Jets.
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McCoy would be a $7.5M dead cap hit. Dareus would be $38M in dead cash this year and $22M next year.

McCoy isn't going anywhere this year and Dareus is here for at least 2 more years.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Eh, would you rather be 7-9 or 8-8 and end up with another Don't Whitner or 3-13 and draft a QB?

It sucks to know that the playoff drought will extend another year, but might as well go all in on a tank job and try to get a QB at this point.
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Nothing they've done or had happen to them yet in the last month has added or subtracted W's.

If they truly want to tank McCoy, Kyle Williams, Tyrod would all be gone.  They have too many decent pieces to price them out of a top 3-5 pick.

They know they'll be 6,7 or 8 wins and have to use assets to move up to get the QB they want.

It's weird because so many decisions were made by Whaley before he left.  I agree McDermott was on board with this knowing his guy was coming in but you let Kyle Williams gone in this situation and save 8m and you sign McCown and have him compete with Peterman and don't string Tyrod around.  Just a strange situation to be in.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Am I the only one who doesn't understand the Peterman hype?  I've watched these preseason games and a number of his college games.  Dude looks like a serviceable NFL backup to me.....not much more than that.  People are going ape#### and calling for him to start week 1......I don't see it.  I'm happy to be wrong and I certainly hope he ends up being a superstar, but it's way too early to project that.
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just for perspective, sat at almost every Rams game last year where people in the stands were screaming for Goff to get on the field until he did then they just boo'ed. Goff had zero chance of being a start imo, so there's that. reality of football fans' perspective is something different is always better until it isn't. Tyrod doesn't look to be the answer but he's a known commodity. the unknown commodity wins for now.

 
GroveDiesel said:
This just hurts. Gotta read the Twitter string and see Sal's tweets.

https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/899620502129561602

Did anyone else hear this before? To think that Donahoe had a deal agreed on to trade up and draft Big Ben only to back out at the last minute and take JP Losman instead is just brutal.
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Oh hey... that's my twitter account

Yeah the Donahoe thing just sucks. Imagine being set at QB for the past 10 years.  It's the reason why I'm on team tank

 
jonramz said:
Oh hey... that's my twitter account

Yeah the Donahoe thing just sucks. Imagine being set at QB for the past 10 years.  It's the reason why I'm on team tank
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Yeah, it's one thing to look at Aaron Rodgers, Russ Wilson, Dak Prescott (maybe), etc and be disappointed the Bills passed them up. But to hear that they had a deal lined up to move up and take Big Ben and pulled out at the last second hurts more for some reason. Pretty crazy to me that I had never heard that before.

Also, consider that one of many tweets I've read of yours. I follow a bunch of Bills related accounts, but give me @SalSports, @YardsPerPass, and @JoeBuscaglia and all the rest are icing on the cake.

 
GroveDiesel said:
McCoy would be a $7.5M dead cap hit. Dareus would be $38M in dead cash this year and $22M next year.

McCoy isn't going anywhere this year and Dareus is here for at least 2 more years.
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$17M of Dareus' dead money is in guaranteed salary though so that would go with him to the new team, so moving him now would be $20.5M, only $4M more than his current number.  McCoy would actually be a $1M cap savings this year too if they did that.

 
Gottabesweet said:
Where it hurts is in the compensatory selection process.  Boldin leaving and Streater being banged up makes Holmes likely to stick.

We have to cut 3 players by Week 10 to probably be awarded a 3rd for Gilmore.

Duccasse is likely one of them. He'll be cut once Henderson comes off suspension.

Ryan Davis will likely be cut with Yarbo passing him on the depth chart.

I'm curious if they can cut Holmes and sign him back.

Maybe some surprise WR cuts happen around the league.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle cuts or trades Kearse.  I don't know what his salary or cap hit would be but the Seahawks have a lot of young talent after Baldwin and Lockett and I don't know who the scouts are on Green Bay but they always seem to know how to get talent at WR on that team and I'm sure there are other teams who will cut someone like a Victor Cruz or a Tavon Austin type of player.

 
CanadianNFLJunkie said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle cuts or trades Kearse.  I don't know what his salary or cap hit would be but the Seahawks have a lot of young talent after Baldwin and Lockett and I don't know who the scouts are on Green Bay but they always seem to know how to get talent at WR on that team and I'm sure there are other teams who will cut someone like a Victor Cruz or a Tavon Austin type of player.
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I heard the Colts are shopping Dorsett as well.  4.33 speed is something the WR corps needs.  I'm hoping Ragland gets traded for a younger WR myself but not counting on it.

Kearse makes sense. I think Austin signed an extension.

 
I never really got to watch DGB in the NFL, but man, he was incredible at Missouri.  What are the odds he can give us that WR help we need?  

Edit to add: I forgot I heard he has charecter issues and doesn't really fit in with what we want on our team right now. 

 
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Mizzou season ticket holder - DGB's freshman year was basically wasted because he didn't learn the offense, got suspended for a game for smoking weed in the stadium parking lot and the team was a mess due to injuries... year 2 he took off, the team (most importantly the QB) was healthy and lived up to the hype and then got booted from the team the following spring after getting pulled over in Springfield with a trunk full of weed and then pushing a girl down some steps when he was fighting with his girlfriend and tried to force his way into an apartment.

 
I wish we had gotten this guy when he was 28 instead of 34. 

Lorenzo Alexander, a member of the NFLPA’s executive committee and veteran leader on the defense, said it’s important that players who protest can “give a reason why” and not just see it as the “in” thing to do.

"I don't want it to be a thing where it just becomes a cool thing to do because you see guys around the league doing it," said Alexander. "Have some reasoning behind it. And then also, No. 2 is, take it a step further and engage your community – whether it's with kids or political figures in your community to create some real change past just starting a conversation. I think it's going to take all of those things if we really want to see some real change in totality throughout our culture and our country today."
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So Hurns is on the trade block.  Jacksonville won't use him he's making 7m this year with an out on the contract if it goes bad.  otherwise it's 7m, 7m, 9.25m for the three seasons after.

He's 25 years old.  Last year was bad, but he had a 65-1,000-10 season.  His rookie year he also had 6 tds.

Send a 3rd.  Cut Holmes, Ryan Davis and Ducasse and get a 3rd back in compensatory for the Gilmore huge contract.

You can even sign Holmes after you cut him like many teams do.

The only thing I'd estimate making people leery is the contract but look at what Bob Woods just got. WR's are approaching 10m for fringe 1,000 yard players.

 
I don't see anyone giving up a 3rd for Hurns, not coming off that season and with that contract. They'd probably take a late round pick just to get him off the books at this point (he hasn't even played in the pre-season for some reason). I'd be fine taking a flyer for a late round pick, but really, until they get better QB play, it doesn't really matter who they have at WR.

 
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I don't see anyone giving up a 3rd for Hurns, not coming off that season and with that contract. They'd probably take a late round pick just to get him off the books at this point (he hasn't even played in the pre-season for some reason). I'd be fine taking a flyer for a late round pick, but really, until they get better QB play, it doesn't really matter who they have at WR.
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It was just an example of it costing them literally nothing but cap space which they have plenty.

I'm sure a 5th would get it done.  You net a 2 round pick upgrade.

I'll be pretty pissed if they don't get that free third round pick in compensation if they choose to keep Holmes, Davis or Ducasse.  I believe week 10 they all need to be off the roster.  We'll be out of a playoff spot anyways.

 
Gottabesweet said:
It was just an example of it costing them literally nothing but cap space which they have plenty.

I'm sure a 5th would get it done.  You net a 2 round pick upgrade.

I'll be pretty pissed if they don't get that free third round pick in compensation if they choose to keep Holmes, Davis or Ducasse.  I believe week 10 they all need to be off the roster.  We'll be out of a playoff spot anyways.
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They don't really have plenty of cap space, but why are you acting as if that (potential) 3rd rounder is "free"? Following your logic, it would "cost" them Gilmore to get Hurns.

 
Not too thrilled to hear that Ducasse will be starting Sunday night. Hopefully it's a last chance type thing rather than a sign of what's to come.

Glad to hear Tyrod is "playing free" and loose in practice. If he can do that when it counts, I think it would improve his game a lot.

And yeah, I don't want Hurns. I'd rather scoop up a Dorsett or similar once cuts are made.

 
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GroveDiesel said:
Not too thrilled to hear that Ducasse will be starting Sunday night. Hopefully it's a last chance type thing rather than a sign of what's to come.

Glad to hear Tyrod is "playing free" and loose in practice. If he can do that when it counts, I think it would improve his game a lot.

And yeah, I don't want Hurns. I'd rather scoop up a Dorsett or similar once cuts are made.
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I'd much prefer Dorsett. Can't see them cutting him but could swing a Ragland trade.  Frazier seems to like him as his project working his way into playing time.

They better address WR in the next week or two.  I'm surprised Miller isn't starting myself.  Hopefully it's just to see if he's worth keeping on the roster.  Did they mention if Dawkins is starting at LT and stop with Henderson?

 
Gottabesweet said:
I'd much prefer Dorsett. Can't see them cutting him but could swing a Ragland trade.  Frazier seems to like him as his project working his way into playing time.

They better address WR in the next week or two.  I'm surprised Miller isn't starting myself.  Hopefully it's just to see if he's worth keeping on the roster.  Did they mention if Dawkins is starting at LT and stop with Henderson?
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Yes, Dawkins will be starting at LT on Sunday.

O-line is a total mess right now.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Yes, Dawkins will be starting at LT on Sunday.

O-line is a total mess right now.
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Just stay injury free.  McCoy better not get over-worked with Williams banged up.

I thought Groy was solid last season, I'm glad they didn't let him take that Rams offer.   Wood is likely gone next year and they need to get younger there.  If Cordy stays healthy and Miller improves I'm fine at LT and RG.  Hopefully they don't 3 step drop Tyrod into pressure all night.

 
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GroveDiesel said:
Not too thrilled to hear that Ducasse will be starting Sunday night. Hopefully it's a last chance type thing rather than a sign of what's to come.

Glad to hear Tyrod is "playing free" and loose in practice. If he can do that when it counts, I think it would improve his game a lot.

And yeah, I don't want Hurns. I'd rather scoop up a Dorsett or similar once cuts are made.
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Just want to give you kudos for the" title" of this thread.  classic!

 
Mr. Peterson said:
I never really got to watch DGB in the NFL, but man, he was incredible at Missouri.  What are the odds he can give us that WR help we need?  

Edit to add: I forgot I heard he has charecter issues and doesn't really fit in with what we want on our team right now. 
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Sorry for the hipple, but the odds are really bad.

He's seemingly incapable of learning a playbook, the reason he was moved from the Titans and dropped by the Eagles

 
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