ScottNorwood
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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (3 Viewers)
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That depends- he's still going to be one of the highest paid RBs in the NFL, so if he doesn't perform like it, it won't be reasonable at all.
I mentioned this earlier, but is everyone aware that cap space rolls over? His cap hit this year is a hindrance to next years cap.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Why is "had his moments" a funny thing? Wilson in the playoffs has not been the QB he has in the regular season and it is clear how this team is built through the D and running game. I get Wilson is a very good young QB on the verge of becoming elite and one of the better QB's in the game but his playoff success has been fools gold thus far. Winning a SB and making a SB goes a long way, but has hidden some of Wilson's flaws.
There really is no denying that the Seahawks should have lost to the Packers this year in what was one of the worst QB games I have seen by a winning QB in the playoffs in a long long time. The year before when Seattle won the SB they were extremely lucky to get by the Saints in their 1st playoff game. Wilson completed 9 of 18 passes for 103 yards and 0 tds on their way to a 23-15 win. How would Wilson be viewed had they not won their 1st playoff game last year or had he blown chunks and lost to the Packers this year? He would never have appeared in a SB and most would see him as a young QB who is holding back a championship level team in the playoffs. His playoff record would also be .500 and his numbers would look bad.
Eli and Flacco played some good football in the playoffs on their championship runs, but once again it was the defence that was the major player in those championship runs.
The Bills have a D that on paper can be and will be as good or perhaps better than what those teams had (Giants, Ravens). This team has a chance to make playoffs and once you get in let the chips fall where they may. 3 years ago would you have said the Seahawks will make the playoffs and then they will go to back to back SB's?
They Bills have a SB championship D. They have arguably one of the top RB's in the game and one of the best young WR's in the game. You play to win the games. Go after it and see.
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massraider
Footballguy
It's not as simple as that. teams can't just roll over cap dollars in perpetuity, it gets reset.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
And they actually have to spend a certain percentage of cap dollars as well. That percentage is going up too. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think teams have to spend like 98% of the cap pretty soon.
So being $15M under the cap one year and rolling it over to the next isn't actually a viable option going forward.
It's funny because it is. I don't even know how this is a question- Russell Wilson has been a major part of the success in Seattle in both the regular and post seasons. Yes, Lynch and the defense were as well, but Seattle wasn't sniffing a SB with the Bills QBs, just like the Bills won't next year.
No, 3 years ago I wouldn't have said that Seattle will make the playoffs and then go to back to back SBs, precisely because I wouldn't have thought that Wilson would be as good as he has been. It's laughable to compare the situations.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Did you even read the post? Seattle made the SB this year in spite of Wilsons abysmal game. How many other qb's are granted that fortitude in a semi final game? The year before he rode coat tails in game one which again I ask how many other qb's are fortunate enough to play that poorly and win in the playoffs?
I am guessing there are at least 12 to 15 qb's who could have lead Seattle to back to back SB's with that D and run game.
Let's see if Wilson ever has to carry his team before we put him in the elite category.
In this case, it's exactly as simple as that- any cap space not used this year by the Bills will be carried over to next year.
Not true. The threshold is 89% not 98%, it's an average over a 4 year period so you can be under any given year, and the Bills are already over that floor both for this year and the 4 year period. There are actually 10 teams under the floor right now, which works against the Bills since they'll be competing with those teams who will be forced to give out bigger contracts than they should (this year and next).
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well, no David Harris to the Bills. I think I'm OK with them not paying him $7.5M a year though. Jets really didn't want him in Buffalo apparently.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
You sound like the camp that said Flacco could never win a SB. I get QB's are the most important position in the NFL. But you are underestimating how important a defence is especially in playoffs. Especially one as dominant on D that Seattle is at this present time.
You honestly don't think this list would not have been able to help lead Seattle to a SB with that D?
Flacco, Eli, Peyton, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees, Brady, Rivers, Big Ben, Romo, Stafford, Newton.. There is 12 guys right there. Now tell me how I am delusional again? Alex Smith went to a conference championship game and almost beat Rodgers and the Packers by doing so. He was almost a SB qb with you guessed it a great D. Dont underestimate a great D.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Are you moving the goal posts now, or did you forget that you said back-to-back SBs? In any event, there are several QBs on that list who I don't believe would be able to do so, starting with Stafford, who almost had as good of a defense but got knocked out in the wild card round. I'm assuming Cam Newton is a joke.You sound like the camp that said Flacco could never win a SB. I get QB's are the most important position in the NFL. But you are underestimating how important a defence is especially in playoffs. Especially one as dominant on D that Seattle is at this present time.
You honestly don't think this list would not have been able to help lead Seattle to a SB with that D?
Flacco, Eli, Peyton, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees, Brady, Rivers, Big Ben, Romo, Stafford, Newton.. There is 12 guys right there. Now tell me how I am delusional again? Alex Smith went to a conference championship game and almost beat Rodgers and the Packers by doing so. He was almost a SB qb with you guessed it a great D. Dont underestimate a great D.
The Bills aren't as good as Seattle as a team, and even in your fantasy land that Russell Wilson is JAG, he's so far ahead of what the Bills have that it makes this whole comparison absurd.
Seriously? The bolded part is clearly correct.
JFC.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Seriously? The bolded part is clearly correct.
JFC.
Russell Wilson took that team to back-to-back super bowls. He's an average to slightly above average QB at this point in his career (light years better than anything the Bills have on their roster, but that's a different issue). I don't see why Cam Newton couldn't have done the exact same thing if he magically switched teams.
I don't know how to say this without sounding insulting, but anyone who thinks Russell Wilson is an average to slightly above average QB doesn't know much about QBs. Assuming you didn't see much of those two play, take a look at the numbers between them and you should come up with your answer. Cam Newton was hot garbage last year.Seriously? The bolded part is clearly correct.
JFC.
Russell Wilson took that team to back-to-back super bowls. He's an average to slightly above average QB at this point in his career (light years better than anything the Bills have on their roster, but that's a different issue). I don't see why Cam Newton couldn't have done the exact same thing if he magically switched teams.
Russell Wilson is going to be the highest paid player in the league. He's pretty elite imo. Far above average. Weird tangent though.
flysack
Footballguy
Ok, I'll toss my pennies in the hat.
Wilson is a very good but not elite QB. But he certainly has a great shot at being elite. Especially if Seattle ever gets him some decent WRs, which were by far the weakest link in that team the past couple years.
He isn't in Rodgers/Brady/Peyton/Luck territory, but he's certainly comparable to Flacco and Matty Ice.
Wilson is a very good but not elite QB. But he certainly has a great shot at being elite. Especially if Seattle ever gets him some decent WRs, which were by far the weakest link in that team the past couple years.
He isn't in Rodgers/Brady/Peyton/Luck territory, but he's certainly comparable to Flacco and Matty Ice.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Wilson is fantastic, but he's also really inconsistent still. When he's on, he's elite. But he has a fairly considerable number of games where he is mediocre or worse.
Borden
Footballguy
They aren't close to done either. They're one of the few teams who are under the spending floor and have a ton of cap space to use.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I don't think you can judge a player based on a salary but I get what you are saying. I agree that Wilson is above average at this stage and that he has a chance at becoming elite. Wilson is unique and a great fit with Seattle. They have found themselves something that is working extremely well.
flysack
Footballguy
Last Wilson comment:
For all his shortcomings (which seem more about youth than lack of talent), the guy throws one of the nicest deep balls in the league. There's maybe 3 or 4 QBs in the NFL who can chuck an accurate perfect spiral 40 yards downfield while under pressure, and Wilson is one of them. His deep throws are like Brady's, except he has legs to go with his poise, so he can buy time when Brady would collapse in the pocket.
It'd be crazy if he actually had a stud WR to feature his arm.
For all his shortcomings (which seem more about youth than lack of talent), the guy throws one of the nicest deep balls in the league. There's maybe 3 or 4 QBs in the NFL who can chuck an accurate perfect spiral 40 yards downfield while under pressure, and Wilson is one of them. His deep throws are like Brady's, except he has legs to go with his poise, so he can buy time when Brady would collapse in the pocket.
It'd be crazy if he actually had a stud WR to feature his arm.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
If Suh goes to Miami our division is going to be a tough one. If Jets get Mariota (or the Eagles give them the house for their pick) then the Jets could be dangerous too. Patriots should be worried.
Have to see how it plays out (Spikes is on that list for this year), but next year is scary- Dareus, Gilmore, and Bradham are UFA's. That's been my main issue with these recent moves- it's going to make it that much more difficult to lock up those guys.
flysack
Footballguy
Searcy is replaceable, Alonzo didn't play last year, and Hughes will be a loss, but it's not like we don't have talent on the D-line already. Let's not get worked up now.
Sorry, don't like this:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 36m36 minutes ago
LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 36m36 minutes agoLeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The only reason it wouldn't make sense is if the Bills thought that he wouldn't be valuable for the next 3 years. If they thought that, then they wouldn't have made the trade to begin with.Sorry, don't like this:
LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports
The deal actually lowers his cap hit now and the Bills can cut him after 3 years without much penalty. I'm fine with it.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Suh's deal is the double suck though. Not only will the Bills have to face him twice a year, but signing Dareus to an extension just got a WHOLE lot more expensive/less likely.
flysack
Footballguy
But watching Suh try to make Incognito blow his top will be entertaining at least. Because that WILL happen.
It does slightly lower their cap hit in the next two years (not enough to make up for adding Cassel), but they are really committed to him for the next 4 seasons now- his dead cap hit in 2018 is still $5.25M, which is more than most RBs make.The only reason it wouldn't make sense is if the Bills thought that he wouldn't be valuable for the next 3 years. If they thought that, then they wouldn't have made the trade to begin with.Sorry, don't like this:
LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports
The deal actually lowers his cap hit now and the Bills can cut him after 3 years without much penalty. I'm fine with it.
Clearly too much IMO.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
haha holy cow that is badSorry, don't like this:
LeSean McCoy and Bills have agreed on a $16M first year total with $26.5M total guaranteed and $40M over 5 years, per @RosenhausSports
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
From Tim Graham's Twitter posts, sounds like Fred Jackson is going to be cut.
That sucks.
That sucks.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I think if they cut Freddy it will upset a lot of Bills fans. Me included.
He's more than a player here in Buffalo.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Reports are that's the Bills are close to a deal with Hughes at $8.5M per year. That would be very reasonable if true IMO.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I love F-Jax but his time has come to retire from football.
Borden
Footballguy
I didn't like the coaching moves but I get it. I have been trying to be positive about all the moves but if they flat out cut Fred I would be pissed.
I don't know the behind the scenes aspects but they should find a place for him in the organization. Surround and fill your team/organization/business with high character people.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Now there are reports that the Bills are looking to re-do Cassell's deal and give him an extension. If the Bills do that, I'm officially questioning every single move they've made and will make. That would be unbelievably dumb
flysack
Footballguy
Rex would be smart to make F-Jax a "player-coach" 3rd RB for this last season by way of doing him justice and helping him prep for a career after his playing days. It'd be a media win, a fan win, and a locker room win.
But it won't happen. I'm betting they sign Powell to back up McCoy and retain Boobie Dixon for short yardage, then it'll come down to Freddy and Brown and I'm betting Freddy loses out based on age alone.
But it won't happen. I'm betting they sign Powell to back up McCoy and retain Boobie Dixon for short yardage, then it'll come down to Freddy and Brown and I'm betting Freddy loses out based on age alone.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Surprised there's no mention of Charles Clay in here. If the bills sign him as rumored, along with their other moves it's clear they're trying to make the playoffs this year. I like clay a lot, especially with watkins keeping things open and cassel who shouldn't try forcing things to him. The offense could be solid while the D remains strong. not enough to catch the Patriots but wild card possibilities.
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