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flysack said:
Rex would be smart to make F-Jax a "player-coach" 3rd RB for this last season by way of doing him justice and helping him prep for a career after his playing days. It'd be a media win, a fan win, and a locker room win.

But it won't happen. I'm betting they sign Powell to back up McCoy and retain Boobie Dixon for short yardage, then it'll come down to Freddy and Brown and I'm betting Freddy loses out based on age alone.
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That would be an excellent move. If they start cutting character guys then they'll be left with an unestablished QB, a star RB that didn't want to go there and an OL that was released/suspended because he was too much of a jerk too his team mates. And the captain of this is a loud mouth coach with a tattoo of his wife with in a division rival's jersey. Could be a train wreck.

 
Tim Graham was tweeting that the Bills see McCoy as their clear #1, Brown as his backup, and Dixon as the #3/special teams guy.

I'm not really buying the Powell talk, but I think that Jackson could already be on the outside looking in. The Bills had 4 RBs last year due to the injuries. Brown was inactive a lot. I doubt they go into the season with 4 half backs again, especially since Roman will almost certainly want a FB for his system as well.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Tim Graham was tweeting that the Bills see McCoy as their clear #1, Brown as his backup, and Dixon as the #3/special teams guy.

I'm not really buying the Powell talk, but I think that Jackson could already be on the outside looking in. The Bills had 4 RBs last year due to the injuries. Brown was inactive a lot. I doubt they go into the season with 4 half backs again, especially since Roman will almost certainly want a FB for his system as well.
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Move Dixon to FB and have 3 RBs in Jackson, McCoy, Brown? I think if Jackson is used a relief and Brown as a back up. Jackson may be willing to help the team and restructure his contract if they let him know they plan to keep him as a coach (or whatever) after he retires. That said, he has zero ties to Rex.

 
humpback said:
Mr. Peterson said:
GroveDiesel said:
From Tim Graham's Twitter posts, sounds like Fred Jackson is going to be cut.

That sucks.
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I think if they cut Freddy it will upset a lot of Bills fans. Me included.

He's more than a player here in Buffalo.
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Especially if it's to bring in Powell.
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Powell is pretty under-rated and is a pretty versatile back. He's by no means an elite talent, but he could get the job done for a game or two if called upon and can spell McCoy. He'll definitely come fairly cheap as well.

I understand Jackson is well loved in Buffalo, but at 34 how much longer do the fans think he has left?

 
humpback said:
Fun fact: FJax has fewer career carries (and touches) than McCoy.
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There are many studies that have shown that age is the much bigger determinant than workload when it comes to the decline of a RB. In fact the RBs that were most successful after age 31, all were heavy workload type backs (i.e. Emmitt, Martin).

 
Dr. Octopus said:
humpback said:
Mr. Peterson said:
GroveDiesel said:
From Tim Graham's Twitter posts, sounds like Fred Jackson is going to be cut.

That sucks.
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I think if they cut Freddy it will upset a lot of Bills fans. Me included.

He's more than a player here in Buffalo.
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Especially if it's to bring in Powell.
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Powell is pretty under-rated and is a pretty versatile back. He's by no means an elite talent, but he could get the job done for a game or two if called upon and can spell McCoy. He'll definitely come fairly cheap as well.

I understand Jackson is well loved in Buffalo, but at 34 how much longer do the fans think he has left?
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What I don't get is, what did they think they were going to get out of FJax this coming year when they signed him to an extension during training camp last year?

 
Borden said:
flysack said:
Rex would be smart to make F-Jax a "player-coach" 3rd RB for this last season by way of doing him justice and helping him prep for a career after his playing days. It'd be a media win, a fan win, and a locker room win.

But it won't happen. I'm betting they sign Powell to back up McCoy and retain Boobie Dixon for short yardage, then it'll come down to Freddy and Brown and I'm betting Freddy loses out based on age alone.
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That would be an excellent move. If they start cutting character guys then they'll be left with an unestablished QB, a star RB that didn't want to go there and an OL that was released/suspended because he was too much of a jerk too his team mates. And the captain of this is a loud mouth coach with a tattoo of his wife with in a division rival's jersey. Could be a train wreck.
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Ryan had the jersey inked over in Bills' blue. :)

 
FUBAR said:
Surprised there's no mention of Charles Clay in here. If the bills sign him as rumored, along with their other moves it's clear they're trying to make the playoffs this year. I like clay a lot, especially with watkins keeping things open and cassel who shouldn't try forcing things to him. The offense could be solid while the D remains strong. not enough to catch the Patriots but wild card possibilities.
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I mentioned him up-thread- think it would be a great fit for them.

 
On The Rocks said:
Dr. Octopus said:
humpback said:
Mr. Peterson said:
GroveDiesel said:
From Tim Graham's Twitter posts, sounds like Fred Jackson is going to be cut.

That sucks.
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I think if they cut Freddy it will upset a lot of Bills fans. Me included.

He's more than a player here in Buffalo.
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Especially if it's to bring in Powell.
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Powell is pretty under-rated and is a pretty versatile back. He's by no means an elite talent, but he could get the job done for a game or two if called upon and can spell McCoy. He'll definitely come fairly cheap as well.

I understand Jackson is well loved in Buffalo, but at 34 how much longer do the fans think he has left?
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What I don't get is, what did they think they were going to get out of FJax this coming year when they signed him to an extension during training camp last year?
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He has zero guaranteed money left, so it was basically just a free team-option. There is no cap hit if they release him.

Powell isn't bad, but he isn't going to contribute much either- I'd much rather have a respected veteran leader like FJax than Powell in this case.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
humpback said:
Fun fact: FJax has fewer career carries (and touches) than McCoy.
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There are many studies that have shown that age is the much bigger determinant than workload when it comes to the decline of a RB. In fact the RBs that were most successful after age 31, all were heavy workload type backs (i.e. Emmitt, Martin).
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If that's the case, then FJax already is the exception to the rule because he had one of his best seasons ever at age 32 (almost 33).

People are acting like he was MJD last year- 3.7 ypc isn't great, but the O-line was atrocious. He also caught a career high 66 passes for over 500 yards. I think he has enough in the tank to give them another 100 touches, and he means so much more to them than just that.

 
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humpback said:
Dr. Octopus said:
humpback said:
Fun fact: FJax has fewer career carries (and touches) than McCoy.
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There are many studies that have shown that age is the much bigger determinant than workload when it comes to the decline of a RB. In fact the RBs that were most successful after age 31, all were heavy workload type backs (i.e. Emmitt, Martin).
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If that's the case, than FJax already is the exception to the rule because he had one of his best seasons ever at age 32 (almost 33).

People are acting like he was MJD last year- 3.7 ypc isn't great, but the O-line was atrocious. He also caught a career high 66 passes for over 500 yards. I think he has enough in the tank to give them another 100 touches, and he means so much more to them than just that.
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He's certainly an exception. He's been more than solid past age 31 - but the time will come eventually. And by no means am I saying he should be cut. I like the guy.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
humpback said:
Dr. Octopus said:
humpback said:
Fun fact: FJax has fewer career carries (and touches) than McCoy.
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There are many studies that have shown that age is the much bigger determinant than workload when it comes to the decline of a RB. In fact the RBs that were most successful after age 31, all were heavy workload type backs (i.e. Emmitt, Martin).
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If that's the case, than FJax already is the exception to the rule because he had one of his best seasons ever at age 32 (almost 33).

People are acting like he was MJD last year- 3.7 ypc isn't great, but the O-line was atrocious. He also caught a career high 66 passes for over 500 yards. I think he has enough in the tank to give them another 100 touches, and he means so much more to them than just that.
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He's certainly an exception. He's been more than solid past age 31 - but the time will come eventually. And by no means am I saying he should be cut. I like the guy.
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Why would they cut Fred? Seems like the consumate team player and a good dude. Indy should have him on speed dial if he's cut.

 
Wow, Cassel and Orton might be twins- both 6'4", 228 lbs, been in the league 10 years, 32 going on 33 years old:

GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
Orton 87 1,613 2,712 59.5 18,037 6.65 101 87 69 19 81.2
Cassel 90 1,397 2,369 59 15,727 6.64 96 79 70 27 80.1


 
I like Fred Jackson too, but it's a business.

At least for now, I'm completely fine with what the team has done so far. Some of that is me giving Rex the benefit of the doubt -- I have absolutely no problem with him putting his stamp on our roster.

 
humpback said:
Wow, Cassel and Orton might be twins- both 6'4", 228 lbs, been in the league 10 years, 32 going on 33 years old:

GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
Orton 87 1,613 2,712 59.5 18,037 6.65 101 87 69 19 81.2
Cassel 90 1,397 2,369 59 15,727 6.64 96 79 70 27 80.1
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Yeah, I'm not really expecting much more than what they got out of Orton last year. Though I suppose that 1 more win could get them to the playoffs.

Cassel is a scrub, just like Orton, most-likely EJ, and the rest of the revolving door at the Bills QB position for the past decade.

I'm still excited to see what the new coaching staff does. This team is far from the Super Bowl, but isn't far from the playoffs. Sucks to view simply making the playoffs and getting bounced in the first round as some massive achievement, but, well, look where the team is coming from :bag: .

 
The Buffalo News reports free agent TE Lee Smith is expected to sign a "big" contract on Tuesday.
Per reporter Tim Graham, "when you hear the numbers, you'll be surprised he got that much
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12punch said:
The Buffalo News reports free agent TE Lee Smith is expected to sign a "big" contract on Tuesday.
Per reporter Tim Graham, "when you hear the numbers, you'll be surprised he got that much
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The guy was the all time leader in saves for years until Trevor Hoffman usurped him.

Joking aside, I hope this isn't true. But sounds like a typical Bills move :(

 
ScottNorwood said:
12punch said:
The Buffalo News reports free agent TE Lee Smith is expected to sign a "big" contract on Tuesday.
Per reporter Tim Graham, "when you hear the numbers, you'll be surprised he got that much
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The guy was the all time leader in saves for years until Trevor Hoffman usurped him.

Joking aside, I hope this isn't true. But sounds like a typical Bills move :(
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He left out "...with another team".

ETA- looks like Rotoworld left it out, typical.

 
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humpback said:
ScottNorwood said:
12punch said:
The Buffalo News reports free agent TE Lee Smith is expected to sign a "big" contract on Tuesday.
Per reporter Tim Graham, "when you hear the numbers, you'll be surprised he got that much
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The guy was the all time leader in saves for years until Trevor Hoffman usurped him.

Joking aside, I hope this isn't true. But sounds like a typical Bills move :(
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He left out "...with another team".

ETA- looks like Rotoworld left it out, typical.
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Oh - that's much different. Good catch.

 
On The Rocks said:
humpback said:
Tim Graham‏@ByTimGrahamhttps://twitter.com/ByTimGraham
Bills source tells me Fred Jackson "isn't going anywhere." Second source tells me Terry Pegula got involved. Stay tuned.

10:47 AM - 9 Mar 2015
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I'm a big Fred Jackson fan, but having the owner involved with player transactions is a frightening red flag.
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Ya man gotta leave football stuff to football guys. These billionare owners just lack the sophistication it takes to earn "football guy" expertise.

Thank God no meddling owner interfered with the glorious Watkins/McCoy trades.

Now we have a worthless 11yr old RB locked up in 2019.

#FootballGuys.

 
Bills_Fan11 said:
On The Rocks said:
humpback said:
Tim Graham‏@ByTimGrahamhttps://twitter.com/ByTimGraham
Bills source tells me Fred Jackson "isn't going anywhere." Second source tells me Terry Pegula got involved. Stay tuned.

10:47 AM - 9 Mar 2015
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I'm a big Fred Jackson fan, but having the owner involved with player transactions is a frightening red flag.
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Ya man gotta leave football stuff to football guys. These billionare owners just lack the sophistication it takes to earn "football guy" expertise.

Thank God no meddling owner interfered with the glorious Watkins/McCoy trades.

Now we have a worthless 11yr old RB locked up in 2019.

#FootballGuys.
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I kinda like this shtick. Keep it coming.

 
It's not like the Eagles don't have a bunch of other options for a RB, including the draft. If Chip was really relying on the signing of a 32 year old RB to be his long term sub for McCoy, then the guy really is nuts.

 
ScottNorwood said:
OC Zed said:
GroveDiesel said:
Lee Smith is a very good blocking TE, but for any team to give him a big contract is puzzling.
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I don't think he should get a big contract, but why weren't the Bills looking to resign him if this team wants to focus on "ground & pound"?
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Maybe they were and got outbid? If someone else is overpaying you have to let players go. Especially a role player like this joker.
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But you would think they would have resigned him before free agency began.

 
If we put an offer in for Clay it's gonna have to be pretty substantial to pry him away from Miami.

If we sign him or anyone else, how are we going to resign and keep Darius? We're gonna be strapped for cash next year. Don't we have to resign like 3 or 4 important guys next year?

 
Wow, 4 years for $24M and $10M guaranteed for Searcy. That's more than Aaron Wiliams.

For anybody worried about Buffalo's ability to extend guys like Dareus, Gilmore, Glenn and Bradham: the Bills have $36M of cap space next year still. And that's before it inevitably raises. So they have plenty of room to extend those guys.

 
I don't think we need too much more help on the o-line. We need depth but that's it. I really think Kouandjio is going to be a good guard in this power blocking system. Incognito and Woods on the interior. Glenn and Henderson on the outside.

 
Bills_Fan11 said:
JFC. ME MUST HAVE RBs.

This organization is a pathetic dumpster fire.
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:lmao: McCoy talking about how OC Roman told him that he got Fran Gore the ball every way they could. When that clown was OC in SF, Gore's catches dropped dramatically. McCoy has no idea what he is in for. He does have big money in his pocket though to keep him happy.

 
So much for the Jake Locker option. Retired at age 26.

This has to be the strangest offseason since Reggie White broke open free agency.

 
I was a little down on the McCoy trade when the story first broke. But the more we see of Phili's offseason, the more I think the Bills cashed in early on Chip Kelly's insanity.

 
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