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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (1 Viewer)

CanadianNFLJunkie said:
The Beane hire seems like a solid move by the Pegula's as they wanted someone who can actually work with the head coach and they have their history with the Panthers.  At this point, (as most new hires look), this seems like the start of something good, finally, for the Bills. 
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I do like that the GM and HC should have a natural relationship and be on the same page. Beane also has been involved with all aspects of the GM job previously, just not as a GM.

 
flysack said:
Am I crazy for thinking the over is a solid bet?

I'm probably falling for that old Bills optimism so many poor souls are afflicted with this time of year. 
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The over sounds right, like 7 or 8 wins but which one really is puzzling for me is the Jets??  5.5 wins?  I would have guessed 2-3 wins not 5 or 5.5

 
flysack said:
Am I crazy for thinking the over is a solid bet?

I'm probably falling for that old Bills optimism so many poor souls are afflicted with this time of year. 
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I don't really consider anything a "solid" bet, lol. To me, 6 games sounds just about right- obviously some things could break their way and they could end up with 7 or 8, but things could also fall apart and they only end up with 4 or 5. So many unknowns particularly with a brand new coaching staff, but the schedule is pretty rough going over it game by game.

 
BoltBacker said:
How many games do you expect Watkins will be 100% this year?
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I think he's due for a Fred Tayler year. That inexplicit season where he stays healthy for 16 games and puts up crazy numbers --- then goes to another team.

Fragile Freddy.  The eternal fantasy flirt until year 5, when boom, he rips off two healthy seasons for great numbers before he returned to his normal Fragile Freddy form. It was like watching Awakenings. 

Sammy's going to follow the same path. Only he'll probably cash it in for a crazy contract with 49ers. 

 
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flysack said:
I think he's due for a Fred Tayler year. That inexplicit season where he stays healthy for 16 games and puts up crazy numbers --- then goes to another team.

Fragile Freddy.  The eternal fantasy flirt until year 5, when boom, he rips off two healthy seasons for great numbers before he returned to his normal Fragile Freddy form. It was like watching Awakenings. 

Sammy's going to follow the same path. Only he'll probably cash it in for a crazy contract with 49ers. 
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Anything's possible, but I'll believe a full season when I see it...

 
flysack said:
I think he's due for a Fred Tayler year. That inexplicit season where he stays healthy for 16 games and puts up crazy numbers --- then goes to another team.

Fragile Freddy.  The eternal fantasy flirt until year 5, when boom, he rips off two healthy seasons for great numbers before he returned to his normal Fragile Freddy form. It was like watching Awakenings. 

Sammy's going to follow the same path. Only he'll probably cash it in for a crazy contract with 49ers. 
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???  How does that make sense?  IF that first part of Watkins putting up crazy numbers happens, the Bills would franchise tag him.  Even if he puts up 1000 yds, 70 catches, 8 TDs, they probably will tag him...but IF is a big word.....

 
Group thoughts on trying to go after Maclin? I know the Bills are pretty tight against the cap, but he seems like he could help out a lot... Watkins, rookie, scrubs...

 
Grigs Allmoon said:
Group thoughts on trying to go after Maclin? I know the Bills are pretty tight against the cap, but he seems like he could help out a lot... Watkins, rookie, scrubs...
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Unless there's lockerroom/attitude issues, I'd love to see it. Like I said in the Maclin thread, it'd allow Zay Jones to develop in the slot over a couple seasons. Jones is never going to stretch the field like Maclin can either. Tyrod's strength is the deep ball, so Maclin would be perfect. 

 
I can't see them being able to match the offers he's likely to get, and it probably wouldn't even make sense if they could considering they've thrown the fewest passes in the NFL over the last two seasons. I suppose that could change with the new coaching staff, but it seems like it's going to be more of the same run-heavy offense.

 
humpback said:
I can't see them being able to match the offers he's likely to get, and it probably wouldn't even make sense if they could considering they've thrown the fewest passes in the NFL over the last two seasons. I suppose that could change with the new coaching staff, but it seems like it's going to be more of the same run-heavy offense.
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Agree.

But they have a need at #2, they have a QB who loves to chuck it deep, and McDermott knows Maclin from their Phili days, and Shady is still one of Maclin's best NFL buds. 

 
Ravens would be another team interested in a WR like Maclin as well as Jets and probably a few others.  As for what Buffalo could offer in order for him to come to western NY over other teams, would probably be incentive laden deal with a good base.

 
CanadianNFLJunkie said:
Ravens would be another team interested in a WR like Maclin as well as Jets and probably a few others.  As for what Buffalo could offer in order for him to come to western NY over other teams, would probably be incentive laden deal with a good base.
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They can offer really good Buffalo wings

 
CanadianNFLJunkie said:
Sundowner??  That place is a dump!!  lol  Come on..........
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Ok. A dump? No. You apparently haven't visited a real dump strip club, where the dancers are so high they can barely walk, where caesarian scars are like badges of office, where the owner with the bad combover lingers by the bar in a polyester suit, where the bartender is a pregnant former dancer in semi-retirement. This sounds like a cartoon stereotype from a bad novel, but it isn't. I've stupidly, drunkenly walked into places like that. Anthropologically speaking, they're amazing. But it is like stepping into a special section of hell. 

This is not the Sundowner. The Columbian talent alone makes it five steps above 'dump.' 

 
flysack said:
Agree.

But they have a need at #2, they have a QB who loves to chuck it deep, and McDermott knows Maclin from their Phili days, and Shady is still one of Maclin's best NFL buds. 
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They definitely have a need, but they just don't use their #2 WR enough to justify a lot of money at the position. I would think Maclin would want to go to a place where he has a chance to put up bigger numbers than he would in Buffalo, but stranger things have happened.

 
humpback said:
They definitely have a need, but they just don't use their #2 WR enough to justify a lot of money at the position. I would think Maclin would want to go to a place where he has a chance to put up bigger numbers than he would in Buffalo, but stranger things have happened.
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This is assuming the offense is run the same way. We do have a new coordinator and play caller. I know they're going to keep things somewhat the same, but with a new guy calling the plays, I'd expect more passing. Not a lot more, but more than under Lynn.

 
Grigs Allmoon said:
I agree. I also agree that it would be a good thing if they found a way to do it, though.
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A posty post in the Maclin thread says "Jordan Schultz of the Huffington Post reports the Bills are in preliminary talks with free agent Jeremy Maclin."

I told you there were a lot of roads leading Maclin to Buffalo....

 
flysack said:
This is assuming the offense is run the same way. We do have a new coordinator and play caller. I know they're going to keep things somewhat the same, but with a new guy calling the plays, I'd expect more passing. Not a lot more, but more than under Lynn.
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I think it's more up to Taylor than the coaches.

 
flysack said:
This is assuming the offense is run the same way. We do have a new coordinator and play caller. I know they're going to keep things somewhat the same, but with a new guy calling the plays, I'd expect more passing. Not a lot more, but more than under Lynn.
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I know, I said "I suppose that could change with the new coaching staff", but I really don't expect it to change much. Tyrod just isn't very good.

Again, stranger things have happened, but I think places like Baltimore or Dallas make a ton more sense for him- better QBs, more targets, better chance to win, etc.

 
humpback said:
I know, I said "I suppose that could change with the new coaching staff", but I really don't expect it to change much. Tyrod just isn't very good.

Again, stranger things have happened, but I think places like Baltimore or Dallas make a ton more sense for him- better QBs, more targets, better chance to win, etc.
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Bills may be willing to give him more $ based on need. Tyrod may not be the greatest but he's had no receivers other than Watkins who's been hurt most of the time.

 
Tool said:
Bills may be willing to give him more $ based on need. Tyrod may not be the greatest but he's had no receivers other than Watkins who's been hurt most of the time.
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I'm not going to pretend to know what they're thinking, but it doesn't seem likely. They didn't pick up the option on Sammy, let Woods walk in free agency, etc.- paying WRs a lot doesn't seem to be their MO (and it makes sense if you aren't going to use them a lot). Other teams also have the need though- Dallas has an also oft-injured Dez and not much else, Baltimore has a huge need, New Orleans lost Cooks, etc.

I'm not saying Tyrod is terrible (I don't think he's very good though), but I'd much prefer to be playing with Dak, Flacco, Brees, etc. If his goal is to try to win now and/or set himself up for another payday, those other options seem much more enticing (if they're interested obviously). If his goal is $ and Buffalo offers the most, then it would be much more likely to happen IMO.

 
humpback said:
I know, I said "I suppose that could change with the new coaching staff", but I really don't expect it to change much. Tyrod just isn't very good.

Again, stranger things have happened, but I think places like Baltimore or Dallas make a ton more sense for him- better QBs, more targets, better chance to win, etc.
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While seemingly unlikely, Peterman could beat Tyrod out to start.

 
flysack said:
Ok. A dump? No. You apparently haven't visited a real dump strip club, where the dancers are so high they can barely walk, where caesarian scars are like badges of office, where the owner with the bad combover lingers by the bar in a polyester suit, where the bartender is a pregnant former dancer in semi-retirement. This sounds like a cartoon stereotype from a bad novel, but it isn't. I've stupidly, drunkenly walked into places like that. Anthropologically speaking, they're amazing. But it is like stepping into a special section of hell. 

This is not the Sundowner. The Columbian talent alone makes it five steps above 'dump.' 
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Compared to the ones I've been in Toronto, it is a DUMP!

 
If Maclin gets away, what are the thoughts on trading for Decker? I don't know his contract situation, but if it's reasonable I'd give a 6th or 7th for him. I highly doubt they're going to get anything more than that with all the rumors about them just releasing him.

 
Grigs Allmoon said:
If Maclin gets away, what are the thoughts on trading for Decker? I don't know his contract situation, but if it's reasonable I'd give a 6th or 7th for him. I highly doubt they're going to get anything more than that with all the rumors about them just releasing him.
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2 years at $14.75MM remaining on his contract. It's not guaranteed though - but if the Bills trade for him I'd assume they are going to be paying the first year at least..

 
Bills lose out on Maclin to the Ravens. I wasn't super high on Maclin anyway. Will be interesting to hear what the money breakdown was though. Deal is for 2 years. 

After he left Buffalo, the Bills sounded cool on him. Wonder if they'll have any interest in Decker? Decker seems like a better fit than Maclin IMO.

 
Yeah, I'm not crazy about Maclin, but he would have helped the team, no doubt. I really hope they can land Decker. If Watkins gets banged up again this offense is screwed.

 
4th stringer in OTA's? He'll throw a pass 10 ft over an open WR on one play then 10 ft in front or behind another then throw a tight roped dart for a TD, that's the type of QB you wanted with Cardale?

 
CanadianNFLJunkie said:
4th stringer in OTA's? He'll throw a pass 10 ft over an open WR on one play then 10 ft in front or behind another then throw a tight roped dart for a TD, that's the type of QB you wanted with Cardale?
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I wanted to see if he progressed before they shipped him.  But maybe they already saw enough to know he wasn't going to be better than a 30 year old piece of garbage who didn't even play at all last year.  

 
Mr. Peterson said:
Exactly.  Raw.  He's another year into the league.  Would've liked to see if he progressed since last year.  
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They saw him all OTAs and from media reports he was downright awful. QBs that can't throw the ball accurately rarely improve their accuracy and don't last long in the NFL.

 
Mr. Peterson said:
I wanted to see if he progressed before they shipped him.  But maybe they already saw enough to know he wasn't going to be better than a 30 year old piece of garbage who didn't even play at all last year.  
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I think it was the opposite.  He needed reps, reps that Tyrod also needs.  And Yates needs to learn a new offense.  And Peterman needs reps to improve.  Too many people and too little time to teach them all.  Rivers is a vet in an established offense.  He could skip the first month of pre-season and not miss a beat.  Jones can get a lot more coaching TLC in LA.

 
Cardale's upside < Peterman's upside.

It was an easy decision. Cardale was never going to be an NFL starter. His best shot is lingering around the league as a backup. The guy is too erratic and too inaccurate. His physical skills will continue to tease people like Rex Ryan, who knows quarterbacks about as well as my dog, but that's it. Dumping him makes me feel a mite better about McDermott. 

 
I like Zay having a veteran to look up to in Boldin but hope this signing doesn't hurt his progression.   

Maybe Sammy can learn how to be a better professional with a great role model like Boldin around now too. 

 
Mr. Peterson said:
I like Zay having a veteran to look up to in Boldin but hope this signing doesn't hurt his progression.   

Maybe Sammy can learn how to be a better professional with a great role model like Boldin around now too. 
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On the contrary, I think it helps his progression a lot. Boldin has always been more of a possession guy than a burner like Julius Jones. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is Zay Jones' skill set too, right? Quickness and hands but no dangerous downfield speed? Boldin is a stop gap, a one year starter that will allow Zay to develop slowly while watching a veteran. I like the signing a lot.

 
flysack said:
On the contrary, I think it helps his progression a lot. Boldin has always been more of a possession guy than a burner like Julius Jones. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is Zay Jones' skill set too, right? Quickness and hands but no dangerous downfield speed? Boldin is a stop gap, a one year starter that will allow Zay to develop slowly while watching a veteran. I like the signing a lot.
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I imagine that's what Beane was talking about when he said "This isn't just a short term thing, it's a long term thing too. He's a HOFer."

I still don't have a lot of excitement about this season, but I do like Beane and McDermott quite a bit and think that the two of them give the Bills their best chance to build something in a long time 

 
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