2021 Philadelphia Eagles - Queued up a playlist of our greatest zits throughout the season for final game (2 Viewers)

[NajehHejan]

Took my 12 and 13 YO sons to the game. They’re not living in a bubble by any means, but man was I embarrassed to surround them with such utter trash. I knew there would be knuckleheads, I’ve been to plenty of games, but I held out hope that it wouldn’t be that bad. The profanity was over the top. Felt like half my section was smoking cigarettes or cigars or pot or vaping. Disgusting. One idiot was waving the Eagles military flag they handed out and yelling “F Joe Biden”. A bunch of times, the crowd started a “Let’s go Brandon” cheer. Pure trash. 

No comments on the game. What everyone else already said. 

 

[DJackson10]

And we have how much invested in the dline?

Too much for guys not performing up to snuff. Also WTF is Josh Sweat these days? 

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Update after Herbert’s 84% today: 

First 88 Eagles seasons: 4 times

First 9 games this season: 5 times

At one point Herbert completed 22 of 23 passes to 9 different WRs. 
 

Embarrassing. 

The defensive scheme doesn't work against QBs not named Jared Goff. 

 

[DJackson10]

Took my 12 and 13 YO sons to the game. They’re not living in a bubble by any means, but man was I embarrassed to surround them with such utter trash. I knew there would be knuckleheads, I’ve been to plenty of games, but I held out hope that it wouldn’t be that bad. The profanity was over the top. Felt like half my section was smoking cigarettes or cigars or pot or vaping. Disgusting. One idiot was waving the Eagles military flag they handed out and yelling “F Joe Biden”. A bunch of times, the crowd started a “Let’s go Brandon” cheer. Pure trash. 

No comments on the game. What everyone else already said. 

Its really immature honestly. They act like a bunch of premature school girls (there's a Matt Goetz joke in there somewhere) that made a slang joke about farting or something. Then giggle and act like your cool. Also stop slandering my Dam name 

Unfortunately foul language is part of sports games to a certain degree. Late kick offs as well can be an issue as its more drinking for fans. My coworker was going and was afraid of possible bad behavior with a later game. I told her during the SB year I went to XMass Night game and most were pretty tame but looking back on it I think the holiday deterred a lot of fans from tailgating before the game too. 

I'm by no means a Biden fan. Hate both parties I was a big Tulsi Gabbard supporter honestly and voted for Joergeson the Independent n the election over both Trump/Biden. Either way its just disgraceful how some act. I don't blame the voters as much as I do the politicians and media because both sides of the isle and their respective propaganda programs feed into this. Trump making fun of disabled people and name calling people, Hillary calling people deplorable, Virginia lost the Dem Gov do to trying to divide. One of the great things I loved about Tulsi was she always talked about Uniting people and the country. Not throwing shade at those who vote. Neither side is good and unfortunately most don't understand that. 

Either way thats my political post in here. As for the football fan behavior the Linc has done a great job over the years inside the stadium. May I ask where you sat because certain areas of the stadium are just no no's to be in or get tickets if bringing kids. I've always found the upper levels worse especially all the way up because there isn't much security up there at all. 

 

[DJackson10]

Also LMAO @The Noid does It again with the thread title. 2 more weeks till one of my favorite holidays 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

We also blitzed a season high of 30% of the QB drop backs yesterday as well. 

In addition to no sacks we also did not have a single QB hit. 

 

[Insein]

We also blitzed a season high of 30% of the QB drop backs yesterday as well. 

In addition to no sacks we also did not have a single QB hit. 

It was also discussed that they blitzed way more in the first half. Only 4 blitzes in the whole second half. Herbert must've appreciated that cushy soft pocket. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

It was also discussed that they blitzed way more in the first half. Only 4 blitzes in the whole second half. Herbert must've appreciated that cushy soft pocket. 

Yep, it’s almost like it doesn’t matter but it sounds good to keep doing over and over. I’m beginning to think fans would rather the 50-60-70 yard TD’s instead of the long drives even though a TD is a TD  

Yesterday was eye-opening for just how bad the DL has been IMO. Home game, coming off of a win against a below average OL and they couldn’t even touch him. There has to be 200 million dollars on that DL. It’s completely unacceptable that they didn’t register a SINGLE QB hit. 

 

[Insein]

Yep, it’s almost like it doesn’t matter but it sounds good to keep doing over and over. I’m beginning to think fans would rather the 50-60-70 yard TD’s instead of the long drives even though a TD is a TD  

Yesterday was eye-opening for just how bad the DL has been IMO. Home game, coming off of a win against a below average OL and they couldn’t even touch him. There has to be 200 million dollars on that DL. It’s completely unacceptable that they didn’t register a SINGLE QB hit. 

I think one of the analysts, maybe Baldy, said LAC was keeping 6 men in to help. So when it's 6vs4, they have no shot. 

 

[The Noid]

I think one of the analysts, maybe Baldy, said LAC was keeping 6 men in to help. So when it's 6vs4, they have no shot. 

Then it also exposes how bad the secondary players are and how horrible the defensive scheme is that keeping 6 blockers with the QB means only 4 players are running a route against 7 defenders and we still can't stop them. It was nice to get them at 4th and goal from the 1, but can't forget the Chargers went 98 yards prior to that with ease.  

 

[The Noid]

Just out of curiosity, I dug up some numbers to compare Gannon's first 9 games as DC to the first 9 games of the infamous Juan Castillo in 2011:

Gannon :: Castillo

Avg. Passing Yards Against - 236 :: 220

Avg. Rushing Yards Against - 120 :: 120

Avg. 1st Downs Allowed - 23 :: 19

Avg. Turnovers Forced - 0.9 :: 1.6

Avg. Punts Forced - 3.3 :: 4.7

Avg. Points Allowed - 24.2 :: 22.6

Avg. QB Comp % - 75.49% :: 57.59%

Avg. QB Rating - 100.5 :: 85.5

So, yeah, it's been so bad that, through 9 games, Castillo was a better DC than Gannon.

 

[babydemon90]

Then it also exposes how bad the secondary players are and how horrible the defensive scheme is that keeping 6 blockers with the QB means only 4 players are running a route against 7 defenders and we still can't stop them. It was nice to get them at 4th and goal from the 1, but can't forget the Chargers went 98 yards prior to that with ease.  

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2021/REG/9#aggressiveness

That aggressive rate really amplifies it.  All those passes....and almost none were deemed aggressive (thrown to a receiver with a defender close by).  Meaning all these completions were to wide open guys.  Just ineptitude across the board.

 

[jon007]

It trips me out that in the same draft spots we took JJ and Reagor, we could have taken DK and Jefferson.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Just out of curiosity, I dug up some numbers to compare Gannon's first 9 games as DC to the first 9 games of the infamous Juan Castillo in 2011:

Gannon :: Castillo

Avg. Passing Yards Against - 236 :: 220

Avg. Rushing Yards Against - 120 :: 120

Avg. 1st Downs Allowed - 23 :: 19

Avg. Turnovers Forced - 0.9 :: 1.6

Avg. Punts Forced - 3.3 :: 4.7

Avg. Points Allowed - 24.2 :: 22.6

Avg. QB Comp % - 75.49% :: 57.59%

Avg. QB Rating - 100.5 :: 85.5

So, yeah, it's been so bad that, through 9 games, Castillo was a better DC than Gannon.

That may have been the last time we had a pass rush too lol. You could give this unit to the DC you hold dearest and the results would be similar. We all knew this unit was pretty poor and lacked talent. What we didn’t know is that the strength (DL) would turn into a weakness. Scheme is one thing for sure and we may never see what Gannon’s is because I’m sure we need a scapegoat for why our rebuild didn’t get us to the playoffs. Things like this are what we start:

Derek Barnett since he got drafted:

• 20.5 sacks
• 24 penalties

Of those 24 penalties:

• 11 offside
• 6 unnecessary roughness
• 3 roughing the passer
• 3 neutral zone infraction
• 1 illegal use of hands

It trips me out that in the same draft spots we took JJ and Reagor, we could have taken DK and Jefferson.

Yep and because of those failures you haven’t been able to pick defense high, for a long time. 

 

[The Noid]

e may never see what Gannon’s is because I’m sure we need a scapegoat for why our rebuild didn’t get us to the playoffs

I think in this case both things can be true: the DLine is not playing well and the overall defensive scheme and game plans have been putrid. There could even be some effects of the latter on the former. 

Gannon is not being scapegoated, he's being held accountable. If your DLine isn't producing you have to adjust from a game plan that depends on that production. 

 

[need2know]

at least devonta looked good again

 

[Terpman22]

I'm just here to say "Burn it Down" 

We went from getting roasted on 20+ pass plays all the time to death by a thousand slants underneath and zero QB pressure.

We wait until our best RBs are hurt to commit to running the ball. 

Derek Barnett, still a dummy. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think in this case both things can be true: the DLine is not playing well and the overall defensive scheme and game plans have been putrid. There could even be some effects of the latter on the former. 

Gannon is not being scapegoated, he's being held accountable. If your DLine isn't producing you have to adjust from a game plan that depends on that production. 

It reads very much like “blood from a stone” to me. Without a strength, on any side of the ball, what are your expectations for that unit? Obviously most would suggest poor and would expect very, very little. That’s before you factor in it’s his first year running a defense with a staff that essentially all first year coaches for their jobs as well. 

Scheme is a factor here but I believe it’s small compared to with how little you have to work with. We hear that Sirianni has adjusted and got better and while that’s true, he actually has talent to work with. 

Gannon is being “held accountable” for getting gashed by Dak, Mahomes, Brady, Carr and Herbert. 4 of them are in the top 6 in the league in rating and Dak has been very good as well. Essentially, they’re gashing EVERYONE and expecting us to be the one to slow or stop them is just unrealistic. I don’t know what game plan makes piss poor players all of a sudden be able to beat a block or make a tackle.

Gannon knows what he has….hell WE know what he has lol. He’s picking slow death over fast.  

 

[Insein]

Nothing is going to be solved this year. This is all about evaluation. I want to think that the first 7 games were them just testing to see what Hurts would do if he had to be the guy and throw all the passes. Hopefully they got what they needed out of it and now they can evaluate if Nick knows how to run an offense. So far the last 2 weeks have shown something promising. Hopefully when Sanders comes back we can see what Sanders/Gainwell looks like as opposed to Scott/Howard.

Defensively I again hope it was an evaluation of pure talent levels (probably giving too much credit) as this defense is just so vanilla it's sickening. When you have former players (especially QBs) watching the tape and saying "wow, I wish I played against that", it's not a scheme you want employed. Other coaches have done more with less usually by attacking to overcome other weaknesses. Being aggressive leaves you vulnerable but it also forces the offense into mistakes sometimes. I'd rather they get torched here and there but knock the QB down 5-7 times and maybe get a sack or 2. Get the QB scared to step up and throw when he is expecting the next hit coming. Sitting back in a prevent for the whole game is beyond frustrating. 

 

[babydemon90]

I'm just here to say "Burn it Down" 

We went from getting roasted on 20+ pass plays all the time to death by a thousand slants underneath and zero QB pressure.

We wait until our best RBs are hurt to commit to running the ball. 

Derek Barnett, still a dummy. 

Yea, we're already in burn it down mode.  Cox's contract wasnt releasable this year, I imagine we'll cut or trade him next year.  Another reason why we HAVE to use these extra picks to retool our defense.

 

[renesauz]

Wasn't upset by the game yesterday. Offense played to it's potential (though where is Gainwell?!) Defensive secondary is ok at best, linebackers are still terrible. The D line is where I'm beyond disappointed. They've been...ok against the run, but AWFUL in pass rush. We knew this defense had problems, but the line wasn't supposed to be one of them.

 

[DJackson10]

It was also discussed that they blitzed way more in the first half. Only 4 blitzes in the whole second half. Herbert must've appreciated that cushy soft pocket. 

My fantasy team with Allen and Herbert did 

 

[DJackson10]

Nothing is going to be solved this year. This is all about evaluation. I want to think that the first 7 games were them just testing to see what Hurts would do if he had to be the guy and throw all the passes. Hopefully they got what they needed out of it and now they can evaluate if Nick knows how to run an offense. So far the last 2 weeks have shown something promising. Hopefully when Sanders comes back we can see what Sanders/Gainwell looks like as opposed to Scott/Howard.

I heard from a few people this was exactly what they were trying to do, to an extent. It's been said for Months that they don't believe Hurts was the guy nor was he brought in to be the guy so I think fans trying to force that on him and the media doing so are doing themselves a disservice along with the player. However you need to know if you were right on that assessment or not too. In a rebuilding year you can afford to do this with Hurts. 

Defensively I again hope it was an evaluation of pure talent levels (probably giving too much credit) as this defense is just so vanilla it's sickening. When you have former players (especially QBs) watching the tape and saying "wow, I wish I played against that", it's not a scheme you want employed. Other coaches have done more with less usually by attacking to overcome other weaknesses. Being aggressive leaves you vulnerable but it also forces the offense into mistakes sometimes. I'd rather they get torched here and there but knock the QB down 5-7 times and maybe get a sack or 2. Get the QB scared to step up and throw when he is expecting the next hit coming. Sitting back in a prevent for the whole game is beyond frustrating. 

Problem with Defense is we have so little talent to work with. The guys who are talented are past their prime and or not playing up to potential. Gannon is being made to turn chicken #### into chicken salad here. I think we just go with this year as a lets learn what we have and after the year throw it away and forget it ever happened. Get some talent in here on defense and see what we can do with actual talent. 

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

 (though where is Gainwell?!)

someone make sense of this for me please. is he just not that good, like a Fulgham flash in the pan situation?

 

[Insein]

someone make sense of this for me please. is he just not that good, like a Fulgham flash in the pan situation?

They drafted him. This coaching staff specifically. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

linebackers are still terrible.

I want  to go back and watch again but Taylor has been looking pretty good in back to back weeks. The kid can flat out fly too. Really hoping he continues to learn because we need a LBer with his wheels 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

DC Jonathan Gannon did try something different on Sunday - be blitzed more than in any game this year. He disguised some coverages. Nothing worked. The conclusion: It's the personnel more than it is the DC

Take a more in depth look at what I was mentioning the other day. It also locks me fully into drafting defense with 3 of the first 4 picks as well. 

 

[Insein]

DC Jonathan Gannon did try something different on Sunday - be blitzed more than in any game this year. He disguised some coverages. Nothing worked. The conclusion: It's the personnel more than it is the DC

Take a more in depth look at what I was mentioning the other day. It also locks me fully into drafting defense with 3 of the first 4 picks as well. 

Well that's a given. They need to draft top tier talent for defense. It's been ignored too long. 

However, just because they tried and failed doesn't mean they should stop trying. They tried a lot in the first half and held them to 7 points. The second half they backed off and let them go up and down the field. 

 

[dhockster]

Well that's a given. They need to draft top tier talent for defense. It's been ignored too long. 

However, just because they tried and failed doesn't mean they should stop trying. They tried a lot in the first half and held them to 7 points. The second half they backed off and let them go up and down the field. 

The key is when you don't blitz, the QB is comfortable in the pocket. If you do blitz, even if you don't get there, the QB may rush his throw, the receiver may not read the blitz, etc. Make the game harder for your opponent, even if you risk giving up big plays.

 

[Insein]

The key is when you don't blitz, the QB is comfortable in the pocket. If you do blitz, even if you don't get there, the QB may rush his throw, the receiver may not read the blitz, etc. Make the game harder for your opponent, even if you risk giving up big plays.

Exactly. Chargers didn't punt all game but defense held them twice in the first half. Second half was just practice for them basically.

 

[The Noid]

The key is when you don't blitz

Not once on the final drive as the Chargers moved down the field and used all of the remaining 6 minutes of game clock. They were playing for a missed field goal, basically. Did not want to give up a big play or TD so they were ok with them moving down the field 4-5 yards at a time. 

If you at least try some aggressiveness, there's a chance you stop them and get the ball back needing only a FG to win. The worst that happens is they score a TD but at least you get the ball back and a chance to tie instead of your offense never seeing the field again. 

Just the wrong time to turtle up after trying some things like more blitzes earlier in the game. 

 

[The Noid]

Eagles cut CB Mac McCain, who they poached from the Denver practice squad earlier this season. Most likely to make room on the 53 for Jordan Howard who maxed out his 2 call ups from the practice squad.

And, related to poaching, the Jets signed S Elijah Riley from the Eagles' practice squad. 

 

[DJackson10]

Eagles cut CB Mac McCain, who they poached from the Denver practice squad earlier this season. Most likely to make room on the 53 for Jordan Howard who maxed out his 2 call ups from the practice squad.

And, related to poaching, the Jets signed S Elijah Riley from the Eagles' practice squad. 

Said to see Riley go I thought he looked good in pre season. Jets needed him after Marcus Maye went down with a season ending Achilles injury. 

 

[Deamon]

Eagles cut CB Mac McCain, who they poached from the Denver practice squad earlier this season. Most likely to make room on the 53 for Jordan Howard who maxed out his 2 call ups from the practice squad.

And, related to poaching, the Jets signed S Elijah Riley from the Eagles' practice squad. 

If your last name is McCain, you shouldn't name your kid Mac.

 

[JaxBill]

If your last name is McCain, you shouldn't name your kid Mac.

or Abel

 

[The Noid]

Just out of curiosity, I dug up some numbers to compare Gannon's first 9 games as DC to the first 9 games of the infamous Juan Castillo in 2011:

Gannon :: Castillo

Avg. Passing Yards Against - 236 :: 220

Avg. Rushing Yards Against - 120 :: 120

Avg. 1st Downs Allowed - 23 :: 19

Avg. Turnovers Forced - 0.9 :: 1.6

Avg. Punts Forced - 3.3 :: 4.7

Avg. Points Allowed - 24.2 :: 22.6

Avg. QB Comp % - 75.49% :: 57.59%

Avg. QB Rating - 100.5 :: 85.5

So, yeah, it's been so bad that, through 9 games, Castillo was a better DC than Gannon.

I also tweeted this comparison out and it made the rounds. It got picked up as topics on Monday's 97.5 mid-day show and on Wednesday's WIP morning show. Gargano's producer credited my Twitter handle as the source of the stats before reading them out. Angelo presented them as "I looked this up" and here's what I found 

 

[Insein]

I also tweeted this comparison out and it made the rounds. It got picked up as topics on Monday's 97.5 mid-day show and on Wednesday's WIP morning show. Gargano's producer credited my Twitter handle as the source of the stats before reading them out. Angelo presented them as "I looked this up" and here's what I found 

Of course he did. Cataldi is a hack.

 

[Terpman22]

Wentz said he is playing even if his wife is giving birth. Really wants us to have that 1. 

 

[The Noid]

Eagles cut CB Mac McCain, who they poached from the Denver practice squad earlier this season. Most likely to make room on the 53 for Jordan Howard who maxed out his 2 call ups from the practice squad.

And, related to poaching, the Jets signed S Elijah Riley from the Eagles' practice squad. 

Jordan Howard to the active roster now official. And, Mac McCain is back in Denver after being claimed off waivers. 

 

[DJackson10]

I also tweeted this comparison out and it made the rounds. It got picked up as topics on Monday's 97.5 mid-day show and on Wednesday's WIP morning show. Gargano's producer credited my Twitter handle as the source of the stats before reading them out. Angelo presented them as "I looked this up" and here's what I found 

Sounds like something he'd do. He's a nice guy to talk to but will stab you in the back and take your credit when he can 

 

[DJackson10]

Wentz said he is playing even if his wife is giving birth. Really wants us to have that 1. 

Reminds me of something recently. Former late Wrestler Dusty Rhoades son Cody has his own company AEW and his wife was pregnant this year. His dad Dusty came to the hospital when Codi's mom gave birth to him straight in his wrestling gear still. Codi said if he had to he'd do the same. 

 

[DJackson10]

Jordan Howard to the active roster now official. And, Mac McCain is back in Denver after being claimed off waivers. 

Not sure what info McCain can give Den that would help since it seems like the players aren't sure what the system is either 

 

[DJackson10]

Noetworthy but Pitt vs NC at Heinz field tomorrow night will be watched by 5 NFL GMs, Kevin Colbert (steelers), Mike Mayock (Raiders), Rick SPielman (Vikings), George Paton (Broncos) and our Very Own Howie Roseman Eagles. 

This is noteworthy as Howie doesn't go out on scouting trips unless it for guys he has huge interest in. Noteworthy here also is the fact 2 of College's top QB Prospects Pitts Pickett and NC's Howell are both playing. I'll try doing a quick note on possible other guys they might have interested in later 

 

[need2know]

Noetworthy but Pitt vs NC at Heinz field tomorrow night will be watched by 5 NFL GMs, Kevin Colbert (steelers), Mike Mayock (Raiders), Rick SPielman (Vikings), George Paton (Broncos) and our Very Own Howie Roseman Eagles. 

This is noteworthy as Howie doesn't go out on scouting trips unless it for guys he has huge interest in. Noteworthy here also is the fact 2 of College's top QB Prospects Pitts Pickett and NC's Howell are both playing. I'll try doing a quick note on possible other guys they might have interested in later 

Both of those qbs don't seem like nfl qbs to me.   But 0what the hell do I know

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Both of those qbs don't seem like nfl qbs to me.   Buy what the hell do I know

about as much as Howie, when it comes to evaluating football talent.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Broncos projecting to start three backups on the O-line Sunday vs Eagles: RG Quinn Meinerz (for Glasgow), RT Cam Fleming (for Massie), LT Calvin Anderson (for Bolles)

 

[Deamon]

Broncos projecting to start three backups on the O-line Sunday vs Eagles: RG Quinn Meinerz (for Glasgow), RT Cam Fleming (for Massie), LT Calvin Anderson (for Bolles)

They played their backups last week and destroyed Dallas.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Of course Miami would beat Baltimore too

 

[SoBeDad]

Of course Miami would beat Baltimore too

Philly's Miami pick at 1.06. Miami's next 4 opponents: NYJ (×2), NYG, CAR. Should be 4 close games. I think the pick ends up 1.07 - 1.09.  

 

[Deamon]

Right now we pick 6, 9, 13.

I expect Indy and Miami to get a few more wins and drop those picks.  Our own pick might end up being the highest.