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The RBs always seem to do well even though they're barely used. Sanders averaged 5.3 ypc and Scott averaged 4.7 ypc. For a backup player like Scott to produce that well, he's teaching them something. I'd like to see him as an OC FIRST but Doug never gave him the chance.
Yeah that’s kind of what I was driving at. Personally I’d prefer he go grow somewhere else. He could be good but I don’t know if the experiance or timing is right here. HC’s have to know every position in the field and I’m not sure he does yet. When you compare his resume to like an Arthur Smith (coached defense, OL, TE’s and now calls plays) it’s hard to see why someone would give Duce such a prominent role.
i agree. i dont want a rookie head coach unless its a great HC coming from college. duce has never been a head coach at any level. never even been the OC. not saying he cant do it, but thats a bit too much of a jump for me
Yep and that’s a good start. Maybe someone keeps him on here and get can continue to gain experiance.
My take on Duce: look at how we (and other teams' fans) are drooling over poaching potential head coaches that are on the staffs of other teams. Is ANYONE in the NFL looking at Duce as a potential HC candidate, now or in the past, other than us? That might be telling.
You think people in LA “deal with wildfires and earthquakes” in their everyday life?
They deal with beautiful ocean views, 72 degree temps and tons of sunshine. You make a very unrealistic argument on where people prefer to work, especially when you offer up the sub freezing temperatures, snow, snow and more snow, filthy subways and angry bitter fans (as well as some great ones) of Philly.
Andy coached OL, TE’s, QB’s and was an assistant HC and had 17 years experiance before being a HC here.
I don’t agree with his take on the natural disaster aspect but your “subway” take is even worse. It’s not the “cat daddy” either. I’m sure MANY coaches want to work in a city that packs a stadium on game day. Maybe they won’t want the media that teams in the north east deal with if that’s what you mean.You think people in LA “deal with wildfires and earthquakes” in their everyday life?
The Chargers job is the cat daddy of openings I assure you.
Years experience is fair. Duce has been assistant HC for the past 3 seasons. Just saying, at the time I don't believe anyone had Andy on their radar as a HC. Personally, I think a HC should be like a manager/director/etc. They oversee everything and the main quality they need to have is getting people to work hard for them and recognizing talent and surrounding themselves with that talent. Doug had had the first part down, it was the second that killed him, ie. Press Taylor. Based on what guys like Jenkins, McLeod and Chris Long are saying, Duce has the first as well. If he can put together a good supporting cast of coaches, I don't see a problem with it.
Yeah I think that’s the issue. On top of players you have to be able to evaluate coaches as well and understanding all positions helps that. I think that’s what makes Andy great. He knows good coaches when he sees them because he understands all aspects of the game. For all I know Duce does as well but I don’t have that knowledge today obviously
I think that's true of most candidates. I never understood the way coaches are picked. Every year the hot OC is next in line to be a HC. Just because they're good at designing and calling plays, doesn't mean they'll make a good HC. How many times do we see them fail spectacularly? Seems like there's just a bad process in the NFL for selecting head coaches.
California taxes and political situation is also a nightmare. You gonna pay for that sunshine
Yep and as fans we can only see so much which is mainly stats. I’ve been watching a lot more interviews of guys this time around but without being behind the scenes we are all guessing.
I’m basing it being the top destination also on Herbert, Keenan, Derwin James, Bosa, Ekeler solid LB crew, etc.
You based it on much more than the talent you now mention.
Maybe you aren’t comprehending. I didn’t say if TOTAL CONTROL works or not. Obviously it doesn’t there. I’m saying most strong head coaches WANT it, so that could make Philly less desirable. Add in the talent available in LA, and the randomness of life threatening natural disasters
, my opinion is LA is a much more enticing coaching spot.
Again, what gets you more? Equity/ performance. That’s what Chip used to leverage himself into a more prominent role and what Doug didn’t have to get a more prominent role. New HC’s have very little what? If a new HC made that an issue he will surly be removed from consideration by many teams. Look around the league and who has total control. It often doesn’t work out and it’s rarely given to new HC’sMaybe you aren’t comprehending. I didn’t say if TOTAL CONTROL works or not. Obviously it doesn’t there. I’m saying most strong head coaches WANT it, so that could make Philly less desirable. Add in the talent available in LA, and the randomness of life threatening natural disasters
Fair enough. All the coaching changes will be interesting to watch for sure. Massive turnover this year and one where Covid was the one factor that played huge in the failures of a lot of them.
Smith is pretty savvy and well rounded as a coach of both defense and offense. Came up under Matt Lafluer who obviously knows his stuff. He deserves a chance and should be a very good HC.
Agreed and while I wouldn’t be mad if we got a Saleh it’s near the end of my list to go with a defensive coach
Really dude? Come on your better then taking the cheap shot route. My point is would someone rather coach in a city where no one cares and only hopes on when the team is great or go elsewhere that if you are great and win some titles you would get more joy out of it. Like others said LA has terrible traffic, higher taxes, political distrust, etc.You think people in LA “deal with wildfires and earthquakes” in their everyday life?
The Chargers job is the cat daddy of openings I assure you.
no one cares? Not one fan? Really? Like they black out Chargers games? I’m not taking cheap shots, but some of your absolutes are a bit outlandish. “No fans, everyone walks around with nose in the air, earthquakes and wildfires.” Come on, YOU should be better than that. Don’t ruin your reputation for mostly very informative inside information on your team with generalized nonsensical accusations of others which you know nothing about.
me personally, I wouldn't consider living in Los Angeles unless I was making huge baller money. And, I'd snap up the Philly job in a heartbeat, but I doubt I'll get an interview.
Personally, my first choice would be Trevor Lawrence and the Florida sun. Give me fishing in the gulf on my off season.
Huge tax and cost of living difference too compared to California.Personally, my first choice would be Trevor Lawrence and the Florida sun. Give me fishing in the gulf on my off season.
i take your point and lean toward that myself, but at the end of the day, being the head coach is about a lot more than just your scheme. Certain guys like K Shanahan and Andy and Stefanski and Reich are great schemers and obviously impact their teams that way. But other guys like Nagy, Zac Taylor, Gase, McDaniels can be great at scheming but seem to ack the other nuances of being a head coach (well, maybe too early on Taylor). Then you have guys like McDermott and Vrabel (to an extent) who seem to get the bigger picture and the offenses run as appropriate. I have no idea where Saleh falls in this mix or if he's any good, just saying that I think that defense vs. offense is a little overrated in some ways.
Oh I agree. Arguably the best coaches today (Carrol, Belechick and Tomlin) are all defensive guys. The reason I lean more toward offense is that we still maintain the creativity and play caller every year in a more offensive day and age. We don't know the impact of Vrabel and McDermott until we see who they replace their OC's with. Im more open to the idea since we really just need a HC who can lead and also identify other strong coaches. I think that's the reason why the 3 I mentioned before have had sustained success. I'm more open to the idea of not even having our HC call plays period. Let them coach the game and assist the coordinators they trusted to have these positions.
We also dodged a bullet when we interviewed Gase, he demanded total control, and we wouldn't give it to him.
I'm fine with Duce. Is he new and exciting? No. Can he fix Carson? No (and we need a competent QB coach for that, not a head coach).
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I want absolutely NO part of Duce being our HC.jasvic said:
