York wins, easily.Better than Mekhi York.Mekhi Sargent TEN RB?
totally agree.^^^ Gainwell by quite a bit for me. Produced in his first game when Evans has done nothing but get injured with a year head start. I get that Evans has the edge in draft capital, but I think Gainwell without a Sanders injury actually stands a chance of outproducing Evans with a Henry injury.
With that said, anyone who doesn't have an eligible player on IR and isn't scooping him up as a free lotto ticket to sit on IR is missing out. Mike Boone is another one, but I would probably prioritize Evans there.
I’m intrigued by Funk. Evan Silva seems to like him based on athleticism. But there’s value in Rams RBs. Henderson is injury prone IMO and so is Michel. My guess is they’d bring in a vet if they both went down. But who knows, maybe they’d give him a shot24-man dynasty roster with no taxi squad. I was excited to get Herbert at 3.7 and Kylin Hill at 4.5 in the rookie draft. It's not like I was expecting anything at this point, other than hoping for a small chance of promotion due to injury. With that said, I feel like I need a weekly support group to continue to invest my last bench spots on late round RB talents that are unlikely to factor in this season and have no clear pathway to relevance next season. Based on Jermar Jefferson still being a free agent, and other owners pulling the plug on the likes of Eno Benjamin and Jaret Patterson , I think other owners are reaching the conclusion that it's not worth rostering these RBs in our format.
If I'm going to continue to hold RB stashes that are currently third at best on the current depth chart, I want to make sure that I'm holding the right ones.
Based on current MFL ownership rates, I'm seeing:
- Justin Jackson 50% - not sure he belongs here, a #2 that can't stay healthy, tried it, don't think it's ever going to happen at his point.
- Hasty 37% (rostered) - interesting because of the team, probably an underrated talent, just feels like limited upside, even if he can be a depth piece
- Rountree 34% (rostered) - like him better than Kelley, but wouldn't be surprised if he's in the same place as Kelley next year
- McKinnon 34% - slightly interesting because of what's going on with CEH, but I think his day in the fantasy sun has come and gone, feels like KC could use a talent influx at the end of its RB depth chart
- Joshua Kelley 28% (rostered) - don't think he should be rostered over other available RBs at this point
- Patterson 26% - would he be the fantasy commodity to own ahead of McKissic if Gibson goes down? Possibly?
- Jermar Jefferson 22% - two quality backs ahead of him. even if Swift goes down, does a DET RB become a league-winning talent?
- Chris Evans 22% (rostered) - probably not my top late round rookie stash, but he should be rostered
- Kylin Hill 21% (I'm holding) - getting some carries late, returning kicks
- Khali Herbert 20% (I'm holding) - no carries, returning kicks, would he be the fantasy commodity to own ahead of Damien Williams if Montgomery goes down?
- Alex Collins 20% - this is the veteran that I'm intrigued by, I think he could be the RB to own if Carson get injured
- JJ Taylor 20% - don't see the upside
- Jeff Wilson 19% - interesting, if he's still around in 3-4 weeks I might pounce, but don't want to hold for him to get injured in his first game back
- Jordan Wilkins 18% - buried, he has some fans that have gone to bat for his talent.
- Eno Benjamin 15% -
- Darynton Evans 14% (rostered) - don't think he can be the lead back if Henry goes down
- Funk 12% (rostered) - people I trust don't like the talent, so I've stayed away
I value upside and high end potential with these stashes. I like the guys I'm holding, Hill and Herbert. I think I might like Patterson more. I'm trying to build up the courage to drop Hill for Patterson. I need to protect Gibson and also have Dillon, so I probably wouldn't be crestfallen if A. Jones went down. I have Jermar Jefferson and Eno Benjamin in the same tier with all of these guys, but it's fair to note that I ultimately rostered Alex Collins ahead of these two.
Who are your favorites from this list?
24-man dynasty roster with no taxi squad. I was excited to get Herbert at 3.7 and Kylin Hill at 4.5 in the rookie draft. It's not like I was expecting anything at this point, other than hoping for a small chance of promotion due to injury. With that said, I feel like I need a weekly support group to continue to invest my last bench spots on late round RB talents that are unlikely to factor in this season and have no clear pathway to relevance next season. Based on Jermar Jefferson still being a free agent, and other owners pulling the plug on the likes of Eno Benjamin and Jaret Patterson , I think other owners are reaching the conclusion that it's not worth rostering these RBs in our format.
If I'm going to continue to hold RB stashes that are currently third at best on the current depth chart, I want to make sure that I'm holding the right ones.
Based on current MFL ownership rates, I'm seeing:
- Justin Jackson 50% - not sure he belongs here, a #2 that can't stay healthy, tried it, don't think it's ever going to happen at his point.
- Hasty 37% (rostered) - interesting because of the team, probably an underrated talent, just feels like limited upside, even if he can be a depth piece
- Rountree 34% (rostered) - like him better than Kelley, but wouldn't be surprised if he's in the same place as Kelley next year
- McKinnon 34% - slightly interesting because of what's going on with CEH, but I think his day in the fantasy sun has come and gone, feels like KC could use a talent influx at the end of its RB depth chart
- Joshua Kelley 28% (rostered) - don't think he should be rostered over other available RBs at this point
- Patterson 26% - would he be the fantasy commodity to own ahead of McKissic if Gibson goes down? Possibly?
- Jermar Jefferson 22% - two quality backs ahead of him. even if Swift goes down, does a DET RB become a league-winning talent?
- Chris Evans 22% (rostered) - probably not my top late round rookie stash, but he should be rostered
- Kylin Hill 21% (I'm holding) - getting some carries late, returning kicks
- Khali Herbert 20% (I'm holding) - no carries, returning kicks, would he be the fantasy commodity to own ahead of Damien Williams if Montgomery goes down?
- Alex Collins 20% - this is the veteran that I'm intrigued by, I think he could be the RB to own if Carson get injured
- JJ Taylor 20% - don't see the upside
- Jeff Wilson 19% - interesting, if he's still around in 3-4 weeks I might pounce, but don't want to hold for him to get injured in his first game back
- Jordan Wilkins 18% - buried, he has some fans that have gone to bat for his talent.
- Eno Benjamin 15% -
- Darynton Evans 14% (rostered) - don't think he can be the lead back if Henry goes down
- Funk 12% (rostered) - people I trust don't like the talent, so I've stayed away
I value upside and high end potential with these stashes. I like the guys I'm holding, Hill and Herbert. I think I might like Patterson more. I'm trying to build up the courage to drop Hill for Patterson. I need to protect Gibson and also have Dillon, so I probably wouldn't be crestfallen if A. Jones went down. I have Jermar Jefferson and Eno Benjamin in the same tier with all of these guys, but it's fair to note that I ultimately rostered Alex Collins ahead of these two.
Who are your favorites from this list?
Here is my quick take on each . . .
I was going 25% as the Monty owner. I would like to get him but not ready to blow a bulk of my FAAB. I know Monty has had success but the Chicago offense is pretty bad.What's everyone's opinion on Damien Williams in Chicago?
50% of remaining FAAB? Might be a season changer in the sense of putting your team over the hump for 4 to 6 weeks - every win is precious. Thoughts?
Wayne Galman?
Inactive until this week. Had 6 carries for 29 yards. Davis not getting much with 14 yards on 13 carries same game.
Played well last year in Barkley's absence.
Younger at 27 than Davis. Maybe he gets a crack at taking the job away.
Davis has been bleh at best. Gallman was a new addition to the team and took a few weeks with no preseason to learn the offense. Worth a stash and hold as has chance to take over.I like this idea, but until one of Davis or Patterson go down, I think this is a true RBBC with all 3 guys getting mixed in.
Nailed it.Alex Collins: Collins might be the handcuff to Chris Carson in Seattle, but Rashaad Penny would likely factor in as well (for a week or two, when Penny would once again succumb to injury himself). With his running style, Carson is a definite candidate to miss time, so getting his replacement is a priority.
Darrell will at least be capable of plunging it in from inside the 5. He’s proven he can do that with CEH playing well.I drafted CEH and grabbed Williams as my last pick for this same line of thinking. Incredible offense is going to have opportunty.
Ty’son Williams, Darrell Williams, Tony Jones are all blending together with potential ripe opportunity should the situation arise and are hard for me to pick which dart to throw.
I think if I had to pick two it would be Tony Jones and Ty’Son. I’ve seen what Darrell can do and I was never too impressed.
Is Dillon in the doghouse with the 2 fumbles??daylight said:At this point, who are your top 3 lotto RBs (remember “free”, not this week’s WW darlings)
mine are:
S Perine CIN
Hasty SFO
Hill GB
I like this call. He’s getting some meaningful touches and making the best of them. If something happens to Mixon, which has happened before, he would be in line for some massive weeks. And that passing game will continue to open up the run game.daylight said:At this point, who are your top 3 lotto RBs (remember “free”, not this week’s WW darlings)
mine are:
S Perine CIN
Hasty SFO
Hill GB
Not that I am aware of it’s just that he’s not free in any of the leagues I am in i.e. he’s rostered already.Is Dillon in the doghouse with the 2 fumbles??
The ol’ Kansas City D Williams D Williams tag team!While I tend to look to RBs for my bench stashes, this is the time of season where I shift to any possibility of an NFL trade boom regardless of position. For instance, I'm choosing Watson in re-draft 1QB over a lot of these guys for the next week.
- I like Perine if his statline wasn't enough to get scooped already.
- I still like Ty'Son Williams to resurface this season. Eyeball test says he's the most explosive back. Stat lines shows the same thing. It's possible that he's buried for good due to pass protection concerns and a couple of fumbles. However, I lean more towards the idea that a team that got devastated by injuries at this position is saving their last remaining, somewhat dynamic back for the NFL's "second season" while also onboarding the veterans to see what they have left in the tank. I've decided I'm willing to risk wasting a roster spot on this theory. Reports of NFL teams calling for Ty'Son's services as soon as his carries fell off and he got the inactive tag.
- Painful trying to figure out when the guy is even going to be active, but Rhamondre Stevenson is still a talented runner and Damien Harris still hasn't proven that he can withstand the physical toll of a full season as a starting RB.
- I'm on Jeff Wilson at this point. The current backs don't seem to be blowing anyone away. I don't like that the timetable seems to be moving in the wrong direction for Wilson and the 49ers upside in the run game might be overrated at this point. I do like the idea that his value will only go up as his return gets closer and if more chaos reigns in the SF backfield.
- Deeper, but I still like a Jaret Patterson stash. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing a happy ending for Antonio Gibson this season. With that said, I'm much less bullish on any possibility that Patterson overtakes McKissic for fantasy production if Gibson is lost.
- I like Kylin Hill as a another deep one. I'm open to him overtaking Dillon for the top spot if Jones goes down, even if that's not the chalk.
- Kind of unexpected, but David Johnson has been dropped in a couple of my leagues. I don't hate the idea of parking on him through the trade deadline if available.
Any guess as to which lotto RBs are most likely to get a boost via trade (either them or their competition)? In addition to David Johnson, maybe someone like Jordan Wilkins? I would love to see the Bears ship Damien Williams back to KC. I thought a Melvin Gordon trade might be a possibility (Mike Boone), but a lot of people shot that down in the Javonte Williams thread.
- Kind of unexpected, but David Johnson has been dropped in a couple of my leagues. I don't hate the idea of parking on him through the trade deadline if available.
Philip Lindsay with the Ingram trade?
Or maybe even one of those machines you put quarters in and the thing pushes them over the ledge as they stack up.Not really lottery ticket. More like a scratch off
I hate this thread - there's got to be a better method of making this useful
Mitchell will be the man until he isn’t.
Mitchell will be the man until he isn’t.
Then it’s next man up. At various times I’ve heard Shanny say “Jeff came into camp in the best shape of his career” and also that Sermon came in ripped and ready.
I have no idea what the pecking order is - not sure anyone does. It’ll be like Pokémon - you gotta collect em all!
Dude will go buck wild and pull Olandis Gary out of retirement for a 1K yard season.Mitchell will be the man until he isn’t.
Then it’s next man up. At various times I’ve heard Shanny say “Jeff came into camp in the best shape of his career” and also that Sermon came in ripped and ready.
I have no idea what the pecking order is - not sure anyone does. It’ll be like Pokémon - you gotta collect em all!
Thanks, I'll leave them off for now. Neither has a undefined role, and who knows what happens if Elijah cannot go. Or if Shanahan decides he doesn't fit anymore.
That apple didn't fall far from the tree.
I don't think Zamir White profiles as a 3rd down back. Bolden & Drake fit that profile much more.
Zamir strikes me as having the potential to be the prime beneficiary of an injury to Jacobs who, btw, has the skill set to be an every down back. He is their most versatile RB.
It's the NE scheme so no back in Vegas will likely see more than 220 touches at the high end. More likely the time share may see two of them get to the 150-180 range.
Could you expand?
Is it because we just add whoever someone mentions without really discussing or evaluating if they belong?
Let's make it better
Could you expand?
Is it because we just add whoever someone mentions without really discussing or evaluating if they belong?
Let's make it better
that’s pretty much it. In the past this seems like it just devolves into running back depth charts
And not enough time talking about who should be picked up this week or soon. Maybe I can do some of that work
I see Etienne listed as a 3rd down back. His draft cost is awful high for a 3rd down back.
FWIW, it's not talked about but I do have doubts that Mattison is the sure fire handcuff for Dalvin. He well may be, but the Vikes have 1 player who splashed in part time work last season (Kene Nwangwu) and another rookie (Ty Chandler) who are better comps to what Dalvin provides, and could surprise FFers who hitched a wagon to Mattison. There's been rumblings even that Mattison may be expendable.Handcuffs (not all these guys will be drafted but most will be)
These guys might not have great stand alone value, but they will for sure see a strong uptick in volume if the starter is hurt. THESE ARE LOTTO TICKETS. Collect as many as your roster sizes and limits allow.
- Tyrion Davis-Price
- Henderson
- Mattison
- Mostert
- Isaiah Spiller
- Khalil Herbert
- Brian Robinson
- D'Onta Foreman
- Sony Michel
- Keontay Ingram
- D'Ernest Johnson
I didn't mean to suggest that Jacobs will be used regularly as a three down back, he won't in this offense. Only that of the backs on the roster Jacobs, and maybe Drake, are the only ones who profile as three down guys. Jacobs should absolutely be the lead back of the bunch but if that plays out to more than 180-200 opportunities it will be a bit of a surprise.I don't think Zamir White profiles as a 3rd down back. Bolden & Drake fit that profile much more.
Zamir strikes me as having the potential to be the prime beneficiary of an injury to Jacobs who, btw, has the skill set to be an every down back. He is their most versatile RB.
It's the NE scheme so no back in Vegas will likely see more than 220 touches at the high end. More likely the time share may see two of them get to the 150-180 range.
Think Zamir will be in a committee but we’re all just guessing. In the range of outcomes.
Historically JJ has been a good receiver and middling 3 down. Had some great years years from volume or TDs. But going forward with the regime change, I feel like he’s going to be more of a two down back. Definitely could be reading that wrong though? Would love more opinions.
@Chaka I think you and I are of the same mind philosophically. There are no absolutes in FF, there are range of outcomes. DND lists are dumb, virtually all players have value - question is at what ADP. The league is fluid. Players develop and improve, especially Y2 and Y3.
Shouldn’t limit ourselves by saying “I’ll never roster that guy bc I got burned.”Make data driven decisions, not emotional ones.
FWIW, it's not talked about but I do have doubts that Mattison is the sure fire handcuff for Dalvin. He well may be, but the Vikes have 1 player who splashed in part time work last season (Kene Nwangwu) and another rookie (Ty Chandler) who are better comps to what Dalvin provides, and could surprise FFers who hitched a wagon to Mattison. There's been rumblings even that Mattison may be expendable.Handcuffs (not all these guys will be drafted but most will be)
These guys might not have great stand alone value, but they will for sure see a strong uptick in volume if the starter is hurt. THESE ARE LOTTO TICKETS. Collect as many as your roster sizes and limits allow.
- Tyrion Davis-Price
- Henderson
- Mattison
- Mostert
- Isaiah Spiller
- Khalil Herbert
- Brian Robinson
- D'Onta Foreman
- Sony Michel
- Keontay Ingram
- D'Ernest Johnson
I am reminded of the year Moreno was activated after a McGahee injury and stepped over Hillman to start.Could you expand?
Is it because we just add whoever someone mentions without really discussing or evaluating if they belong?
Let's make it better
that’s pretty much it. In the past this seems like it just devolves into running back depth charts
And not enough time talking about who should be picked up this week or soon. Maybe I can do some of that work
You think maybe a rising / falling thing might work? Like let’s say 3 weeks in Javonte is getting 80% of the touches, now Smelly Gordon is a handcuff. Or Swift becomes such a 3 down force Williams loses stand alone value.
I think it’s really important to understand roles. One guy might be a Special Teamer and/or great in pass pro. But just because he’s 2nd in RB snaps doesn’t make him the handcuff. That guy might have an unchanged role after an injury, and an overlooked player who hasn’t been dressing becomes the lead back.