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I am right there with you on Hawkins. I put him at RB-11. If he was a little bigger or had displayed more pass-catching ability, I would definitely have him considerably higher! Hawkins' quickness is electrifying, earning him the nickname "Playstation", and he plays bigger than his size would suggest. Hawkins will need to develop as a receiver to be a factor at the NFL level, but too many may be sleeping on him.
I think the line is thin between late day 2 and early day 3 RB's. Which side of that line will Hubbard and Jefferson fall? I think they're the former, but if the NFL says the latter I will listen. Sorta, anyway.
Trey Lance below Mac Jones is interesting. Lance is pretty raw, so it makes some sense, and there is some concern he is more Colin Kaepernick than Michael Vick or Andrew Luck, but I am curious if this ranking reflects more about Mac Jones or Trey Lance?
Lance has tremendous upside...But is just as tremendously raw. Jones looks like Burrow to me.
I wouldn't know any better but I've heard hype on him from a couple different sources now. If he is in that grey area like Mac alludes to below, then late 1st seems pretty reasonable for someone that could be a swing for the fence 3 down back. Mid 1st not so much but late to early 2nd is probably about right. Mostly due to RB scarcity. I'm not sure there are any backs I like after the top 3. Jefferson and Hubbard are 4 and 5 for me though. In February.
I would but whenever
I agree.
I appreciate your comments MAC. I think you watch a lot more college football than I do, which maybe isnt that hard as I dont watch a lot of college football games. Mostly just cut ups of players that interest me. There are a lot of folks here who I think watch more college football than me, you just happen to be one of them. In any case I appreciate your opinion, even when I may disagree.MAC_32 said:
I dont know anything about Jemar Jefferson yet so I have no opinion about that.rockaction said:
Miami hasnt has any star TEs recently but they are right there with Iowa as far as pro bowl TE IIRCsocrates said:
I think going into the offseason with a solid starting point is a good thing. I've got clumps of players lumped into tiers within their own position, but I won't begin to assemble a combined board until Friday morning after day 1 of the draft. I think developing more informed opinions on them through winter/early spring is the objective, but I generally don't do much movement within those tiers. In the past when I did rankings early I think I had a tendency to dig my heels in on particular players, which resulted in me not being receptive to new information. That's why I changed my approach.
Yes for fantasy who is going to want to carry him on their roster while he "learns".Andy Dufresne said:
Good enough arm. Good anticipation. Good ball placement.
To put this into perspective, I read somewhere where putting the ball into tight placement Lawrence more than doubled Jones. Something like 120+ vs 60+. Something to think about. Jones will have fewer wide open WRs at the next level. Throw into the mix his lack of mobility, you have a lot of bust potential IMO.
Last year, but it is something I worry about with a QB that lacks mobility. I worry about Jones not being able to make the tight throws and if he doesn't have the legs to compensate, well, that worries me.
I think you are probably right to put Williams over Etienne, and I have been considering the same. If Etienne was a better pure receiver, he might challenge for the top spot, even though I agree he has some other limitations, just in hope he becomes the next Kamara. However, it does not appear Etienne will ever develop into anything resembling a ppr juggernaut. Javonte Williams, on the other hand, sheds arm tackles with ease and runs through contact better than any other back in this class. For now, however, it is that elite acceleration and speed keeping Etienne at RB2 for me. If an NFL team can scheme Etienne into space, he has Jamaal Charles-like acceleration.
Hey, thanks for this. I am very familiar with RotoUnderworld but temporarily forgot that they so heavily relied on college analytics, which is sort of a "well...duh" moment, considering all their proprietary stats and whatnot. Thanks for posting. Will keep in mind.
That is the other side of this that we dont want to become entrenched in our opinions to the point where its not objective anymore. I can be guilty of that at times. Sometimes I am right about that for example sticking to my guns with Jay Ajayi even though he fell to the 5th round. Plenty of times I am not right doing that though, for example Devontae Booker.
A straight line runner? I have some doubts about your vision based on comments like that.
Yes, I see a lot of that and I doubt his lateral agility. He does run up the back of his OL sometimes. He’s inconsistent in terms of showing patience and identifying the hole and can be too aggressive when shooting up the middle. Add that to his size and probability of teams using him in a RBBC. I do believe he still has PPR appeal, but in my mind he is more team dependent and usage than someone like Javonte Williams, who I believe will be a better pro.
Great list. Wondering if you might have any very preliminary opinions on where guys like Denzel Mims, Paris Campbell, and Bryan Edwards would fall in terms of dynasty upside on this list? I can already tell that I'm going to have a really tough time handicapping the second and third tiers of this impressive rookie class against previous prospects that have some experience, have shown some glimpses, and have also shown some warts.
I like the situation for Mims long-term. He could develop into the team's WR1. I anticipate the Jets making a change at QB. A Justin Fields to Denzel Mims connection sounds pretty exciting, but I would not be too dismayed if the Jets elected to stick with Darnold, either. Either way, I would probably rank Mims around the same as Terrace Marshall (WR6), who is likely an early-to-mid-round 2 fantasy pick, although much still depends on draft destinations. Parris Campbell is still only 23 years old, so I am not ready to close the book on him, but you have to be a little fearful of his injury history. He is on my dynasty buy list, but that is based on getting him at a reduced value. He was a late round one pick as a rookie. I would not give up a round 2 pick, but I likely would offer a mid-to-late 3rd rounder for Campbell. He showed glimpses of what he can be early last season. There is a void at QB for the moment in Indy, and the rumors of Carson Wentz to Indy are not especially exciting, although Wentz is another player, like Campbell, who I have on my dynasty buy list. Still, that is a lot of "ifs", plus the team still has Hilton and Pittman, and the offense will almost certainly run through Jonathan Taylor. Bryan Edwards' rookie season could not have gone much worse. I had him as a late second rounder last season going into fantasy drafts, and his value has taken a pretty substantial hit since then. He is a speculative buy or hold for now, but predicting the Raiders' offense is difficult. I might give up a 4th or 5th round pick if I felt like gambling on Edwards, but nothing more.
