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2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (2 Viewers)

The Noid said:
Fletch is back. 1 year deal, $14MM, plus incentives.
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too much :(

But wasn't that kind of a moot point? (Meaning, they lost that releasing him so it didnt matter?)

 
renesauz said:
too much :(

But wasn't that kind of a moot point? (Meaning, they lost that releasing him so it didnt matter?)
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Right, they could have cut him loose and would have paid him that amount anyway. All this maneuver did was help improve the long term cap situation a bit (that they put themselves in with his most recent extension) and he probably only agreed to do them that favor because he's coming out even. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Was thinking about this today and it’s either incredibly smart or stupid. We went and got a big need but after that I didn’t see a deal or trade that I was thinking we had to make. I said I’d do the Watson deal but I get why they didn’t. I wanted Woods but reports were that they let him seek where he wanted to go so that’s out as well. The FA’s that are signed now can still really help us as well and are the ones that can make big differences for a fraction of the cost. 
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Felt we kinda went Jerry Jones so far at it. Found a nice hometown discount, and by all accounts, it seems to me Reddick should have got a bigger bag. Considering how many picks we have, seems like we really want to nail this (duh) one this year. And the needs we have match up with strength of this draft (if you don't count QB a need mixed in with this underwhelming class, allegedly) we should be able to land a really good DB, WR, DL prospect or two and just keeping on building through the draft. I wouldn't want Woods if he was forced to come here just so he can leave asap. 

 
Terpman22 said:
Felt we kinda went Jerry Jones so far at it. Found a nice hometown discount, and by all accounts, it seems to me Reddick should have got a bigger bag. Considering how many picks we have, seems like we really want to nail this (duh) one this year. And the needs we have match up with strength of this draft (if you don't count QB a need mixed in with this underwhelming class, allegedly) we should be able to land a really good DB, WR, DL prospect or two and just keeping on building through the draft. I wouldn't want Woods if he was forced to come here just so he can leave asap. 
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We always want to nail the draft but this year's is the most important one in a long time. It has the potential to set us up for the next decade of we nail the first round picks at least. 3 cheap star players for 4-5 years will make a huge difference going forward. 

 
Holup! 

We didn't have a deep WR group which forced us to run more in 2021. Now WR's don't want to come here because we are a running team?

Personally, people are being way to kind to Hurts. If Hurts truly was the answer. WR's would want to come here.

 
The Noid said:
Not sure how much of an impact this has. Sirianni loves him and his blocking is what stood out at Indy. So, he's JJAW, but can catch.  :shrug:  
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I hear ya. Think he will be a solid slot guy. Was improving every year of his career and then Gingervectin showed up and his numbers regressed. Just allows us to kind of do to Reagor what we did to Jjaw, probably draft 2 WRs (yeah!) and cut Jjaw when roster cuts go down. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Don’t look at PFF grades then lol
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Not the biggest "grades" guy. Not the same, but I remember for the longest time, the best "QBR" game ever was like a 186 yard/2 pick game 7 years back by Charlie Batch. I'm sure there is a better QBR record since then, but you get my point. 

Real stats show he had 2 years better than Reagor could ever hope for and with coaching familiarity and his ability to progress WRs (check Quez Watkins), I'm happy with it. 

 
jon007 said:
Holup! 

We didn't have a deep WR group which forced us to run more in 2021. Now WR's don't want to come here because we are a running team?

Personally, people are being way to kind to Hurts. If Hurts truly was the answer. WR's would want to come here.
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I think literally everyone acknowledges he has to be better at passing the ball.
That said, there aren't THAT many WR's that have passed up coming here, and many are getting huge salaries we didnt want to pay for a slot guy.

 
Terpman22 said:
Not the biggest "grades" guy. Not the same, but I remember for the longest time, the best "QBR" game ever was like a 186 yard/2 pick game 7 years back by Charlie Batch. I'm sure there is a better QBR record since then, but you get my point. 

Real stats show he had 2 years better than Reagor could ever hope for and with coaching familiarity and his ability to progress WRs (check Quez Watkins), I'm happy with it. 
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I don’t treat them like the end all be all but when you’re 94th out of 94 WR’s that’s saying something lol

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I don’t treat them like the end all be all but when you’re 94th out of 94 WR’s that’s saying something lol
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He was an UFDA so I don't think he has a high ceiling truly, but I think there are more than 94 WR's in the league at the same time. Reagor and Jjaw don't even get graded they are so bad.  Its a roster improvement without sacrificing any draft capital or really much cap space. If Nick didn't already coach him though, doubt we reach out. 

 
Terpman22 said:
He was an UFDA so I don't think he has a high ceiling truly, but I think there are more than 94 WR's in the league at the same time. Reagor and Jjaw don't even get graded they are so bad.  Its a roster improvement without sacrificing any draft capital or really much cap space. If Nick didn't already coach him though, doubt we reach out. 
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And also, for what its worth - the same grading company (PFF) that had Pascal as 94/94th WR last year,  ALSO had Jjaw ranked as the 3rd best WR coming into the 2019 draft. 

 
jon007 said:
Holup! 

We didn't have a deep WR group which forced us to run more in 2021. Now WR's don't want to come here because we are a running team?

Personally, people are being way to kind to Hurts. If Hurts truly was the answer. WR's would want to come here.
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We were forced to run more because we realized our QB wasn't a consistent passer who could sling it and we had success running the ball and controlling the clock 

 
Terpman22 said:
Not the biggest "grades" guy. Not the same, but I remember for the longest time, the best "QBR" game ever was like a 186 yard/2 pick game 7 years back by Charlie Batch. I'm sure there is a better QBR record since then, but you get my point. 

Real stats show he had 2 years better than Reagor could ever hope for and with coaching familiarity and his ability to progress WRs (check Quez Watkins), I'm happy with it. 
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PFF can be really weird some times. A while back one of our DBs who's name escapes me was graded better then he really was. I think he played 1 more yr for another team but was cut midseason came in as a camp body somewhere released and never played again. Yet PFF graded him out a lot better. I don't know if they have minimum playing time or not either. 

 
Pascal is an underrated signing.  He helps a good bit for us.   Already better than reagor.  And he knows Sirianni.

I think we are drafting another wr high.   Then the wr room is pretty stacked.

 
Zach Pascal > Reagor, JJAW, Ward

No offense to Ward but he would not be here if we had better WRs. Reagor and JJAW? We've seen enough. JJAW shouldn't make it through training camp this year. 

 
need2know said:
I'm guessing we are  drafting cb, de, wr with out first 3 picks.  In some order
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How we use those 3 picks will be a huge indicator of what they really think of Hurts vs. what they say about him.

They stay put and use them all on CB, DE, WR (all positions of immediate need), then they are building around Hurts. It's in the short-term, at the very least, but still a sign they think he can be the answer longer-term.

They use one, trade back with one, trade one for future picks, then they are looking to acquire more assets and push their "building" into when they may have a more set-in-stone answer at QB.

 
The Noid said:
How we use those 3 picks will be a huge indicator of what they really think of Hurts vs. what they say about him.

They stay put and use them all on CB, DE, WR (all positions of immediate need), then they are building around Hurts. It's in the short-term, at the very least, but still a sign they think he can be the answer longer-term.

They use one, trade back with one, trade one for future picks, then they are looking to acquire more assets and push their "building" into when they may have a more set-in-stone answer at QB.
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Yeah at this point I think it's more likely they trade one of them away for future picks.

I would rather they use all 3 right now

 
need2know said:
Yeah at this point I think it's more likely they trade one of them away for future picks.
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This tweet from @Sigmund Bloom seems to be something would should at least 'kick the tires' on

https://twitter.com/SigmundBloom/status/1505933543628750848?s=20&t=9g0BqnFPxdAYUk_KIHwAJw

Howie Roseman should put every team that shows interest in Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis on notice that #15 is up for sale (assuming they are there). With #16 and #19, the Eagles don't even lose their #1 target if they trade down. Could easily net a 23 1st + 22 2nd day pick + ?

 
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The Noid said:
How we use those 3 picks will be a huge indicator of what they really think of Hurts vs. what they say about him.

They stay put and use them all on CB, DE, WR (all positions of immediate need), then they are building around Hurts. It's in the short-term, at the very least, but still a sign they think he can be the answer longer-term.

They use one, trade back with one, trade one for future picks, then they are looking to acquire more assets and push their "building" into when they may have a more set-in-stone answer at QB.
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Yes - but also financially, 3 first rounders are cap prohibitive to all give 5th year options to at the same time. Now granted, very high likelihood at least one of them would not pan out, but still.  Financially its probably easier to have 2 this year, 2 next year.

 
babydemon90 said:
Yes - but also financially, 3 first rounders are cap prohibitive to all give 5th year options to at the same time. Now granted, very high likelihood at least one of them would not pan out, but still.  Financially its probably easier to have 2 this year, 2 next year.
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This will be the main reason they trade out of one. 

 
babydemon90 said:
Yes - but also financially, 3 first rounders are cap prohibitive to all give 5th year options to at the same time. Now granted, very high likelihood at least one of them would not pan out, but still.  Financially its probably easier to have 2 this year, 2 next year.
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Seems like most teams view draft picks, especially 1st's, as lottery tickets. Whether you take 3 shots this year and 1 next, or 2 this year, and 2 next, might have a lot more to do with the evaluation of talent you have done on the draft classes (e.g. if you think there's a really weak class of key positions this year, versus a strong one next year, or if the goal is to build a package of assets for the QBs that might be available via draft or trade next year) than the potential financials down the road.

In the Eagles' case, having 3 "winning" lottery tickets pay off is a good problem to have and something to figure out 4 years from now (after 4 more years of cap increases, most likely), if it were to happen at all. If you think there's talent and potential long-term performers for your team, take them!

 
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The Noid said:
Seems like most teams view draft picks, especially 1st's, as lottery tickets. Whether you take 3 shots this year and 1 next, or 2 this year, and 2 next, might have a lot more to do with the evaluation of talent you have done on the draft classes (e.g. if you think there's a really weak class of key positions this year, versus a strong one next year, or if the goal is to build a package of assets for the QBs that might be available via draft or trade next year) than the potential financials down the road.

In the Eagles' case, having 3 "winning" lottery tickets pay off is a good problem to have and something to figure out 4 years from now (after 4 more years of cap increases, most likely), if it were to happen at all. If you think there's talent and potential long-term performers for your team, take them!
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That's a logical way to view it. I don't think the Eagles put as much on the talent as you think. I think they view the financials/cap ramifications as equal to the potential talent. 

 
Maggot Brain said:
This tweet from @Sigmund Bloom seems to be something would should at least 'kick the tires' on

https://twitter.com/SigmundBloom/status/1505933543628750848?s=20&t=9g0BqnFPxdAYUk_KIHwAJw

Howie Roseman should put every team that shows interest in Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis on notice that #15 is up for sale (assuming they are there). With #16 and #19, the Eagles don't even lose their #1 target if they trade down. Could easily net a 23 1st + 22 2nd day pick + ?
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I dont know....if Pickett is there somehow, I wouldn't be unhappy with taking him. Don't wanna ay to move up, but........;.....

 
renesauz said:
I dont know....if Pickett is there somehow, I wouldn't be unhappy with taking him. Don't wanna ay to move up, but........;.....
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i dunno.  One year flash in the pan starters who never really played in any big games or against good competition scare me.

 
need2know said:
i dunno.  One year flash in the pan starters who never really played in any big games or against good competition scare me.
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And he has tiny hands. And he will be 24 years old at the start of the season. No thanks big time. Kudos to Howie making it look legit if someone wants to play around at 15/16. 

 
Insein said:
This will be the main reason they trade out of one. 
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Theyre only trading out of a QB someone values falls. That’s typically what position generates a future 1 that high up in the draft. 

If QB’s don’t fall that means other positions we need will. 

We’re on a great spot and can be very flexible. 

 
need2know said:
yeah said it before but this qb class sucks big time
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People tend to have revisionist history when it comes to QB’s anyway. This one looks like it sucks but there will be a good/great one or two. 

Than you have great classes that produce Goff and Wentz at the top. 

Or you have great classes like 2018 where the “bad developmental QB’s” end up being the best ones. 

Point being, the whole “this class sucks or is great” is complete BS. The people saying it are the same as us. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
People tend to have revisionist history when it comes to QB’s anyway. This one looks like it sucks but there will be a good/great one or two. 

Than you have great classes that produce Goff and Wentz at the top. 

Or you have great classes like 2018 where the “bad developmental QB’s” end up being the best ones. 

Point being, the whole “this class sucks or is great” is complete BS. The people saying it are the same as us. 
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This is true too! Watson and Mahomes were not drafted in the top 5, while a bunch of mixed busts have been over the past decade. And it won't change either. Teams are always desperate at the position and coaches think their systems work. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
People tend to have revisionist history when it comes to QB’s anyway. This one looks like it sucks but there will be a good/great one or two. 

Than you have great classes that produce Goff and Wentz at the top. 

Or you have great classes like 2018 where the “bad developmental QB’s” end up being the best ones. 

Point being, the whole “this class sucks or is great” is complete BS. The people saying it are the same as us. 
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well you have to go with what you think you know.  And it does not look good at all.   

trying to recall a weaker looking draft for qbs

 
need2know said:
well you have to go with what you think you know.  And it does not look good at all.   

trying to recall a weaker looking draft for qbs
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There’s been 3 consistently mocked in the first round (Pickett, Willis and Corral) and you have Howell, Ridder and Strong being mentioned as possible second round picks. I’d have to look for reference but that doesn’t feel weak to me. 

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Unless you mean weak talent wise like there’s no top end QB challenging for the 1st or 2nd pick. That I’d agree with but would use my Goff/Wentz/Mayfield example above. 

 
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