2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There’s been 3 consistently mocked in the first round (Pickett, Willis and Corral) and you have Howell, Ridder and Strong being mentioned as possible second round picks. I’d have to look for reference but that doesn’t feel weak to me. 

*ETA*
Unless you mean weak talent wise like there’s no top end QB challenging for the 1st or 2nd pick. That I’d agree with but would use my Goff/Wentz/Mayfield example above. 

Picket has Ken doll-hands though. Smallest in history, or somesuch.

It's good thing Philly has such nice weather all the time or that might be a probl-what's that? Oh, never mind. 

Anyway, Willis is desribed by scouts as a multi-year project - 3, is the last I read. Corral also not ready for prime time. 

It's looking like a super weak QB class. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

trying to recall a weaker looking draft for qbs

I have tried this exercise, and I cannot. 

 

[Terpman22]

I have tried this exercise, and I cannot. 

2013 pretty woof woof

 

[need2know]

There’s been 3 consistently mocked in the first round (Pickett, Willis and Corral) and you have Howell, Ridder and Strong being mentioned as possible second round picks. I’d have to look for reference but that doesn’t feel weak to me. 

*ETA*
Unless you mean weak talent wise like there’s no top end QB challenging for the 1st or 2nd pick. That I’d agree with but would use my Goff/Wentz/Mayfield example above. 

Looks really bad.  I bet those qbs aren't even in the league in 5 years

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Picket has Ken doll-hands though. Smallest in history, or somesuch.

It's good thing Philly has such nice weather all the time or that might be a probl-what's that? Oh, never mind. 

Anyway, Willis is desribed by scouts as a multi-year project - 3, is the last I read. Corral also not ready for prime time. 

It's looking like a super weak QB class. 

And in 3-4 years if any of them are good it will read the same as it did with Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson etc. All of them had their warts until they didn’t. It’s happened every year there’s been a draft  

The weather isn’t really relevant and I’m not advocating for one to come here. Just saying you have 6 guys mocked in the first 2 rounds. Name recognition aside that doesn’t feel like a weak class. Obviously time will tell and you may have a couple go in the first 2 rounds. The overall point is that the ones who call these classes, at any position, weak or strong are just people with opinions and they’re proven wrong every single year. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Looks really bad.  I bet those qbs aren't even in the league in 5 years

You basically get 5 year deals when you’re picked in the first round but I get your point  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And in 3-4 years if any of them are good it will read the same as it did with Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson etc. All of them had their warts until they didn’t. It’s happened every year there’s been a draft  

The weather isn’t really relevant and I’m not advocating for one to come here. Just saying you have 6 guys mocked in the first 2 rounds. Name recognition aside that doesn’t feel like a weak class. Obviously time will tell and you may have a couple go in the first 2 rounds. The overall point is that the ones who call these classes, at any position, weak or strong are just people with opinions and they’re proven wrong every single year. 

I literally just said scouts see Willis as a 3-year project, so…..yeah. Maybe in 3 years we’ll find out.

good rant, otherwise.  

That doesn’t make this not a bad QB class 

 

[need2know]

You basically get 5 year deals when you’re picked in the first round but I get your point  

I just don't want us wasting a pick on qbs I think aren't even as good as hurts.

We got too many other holes

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I literally just said scouts see Willis as a 3-year project, so…..yeah. Maybe in 3 years we’ll find out.

good rant, otherwise.  

That doesn’t make this not a bad QB class 

The only thing that determines whether or not this is a good or weak class is time. You’re guessing until than. 

I just don't want us wasting a pick on qbs I think aren't even as good as hurts.

We got too many other holes

This has nothing to do with us. I don’t think we take a QB before round 3 but I fully expect us to pretend we are taking Pickett, Willis or Corral

Just thinking out loud, has there ever been a draft that didn’t produce a good to great QB?

 

[renesauz]

Theyre only trading out of a QB someone values falls. That’s typically what position generates a future 1 that high up in the draft. 

If QB’s don’t fall that means other positions we need will. 

We’re on a great spot and can be very flexible. 

been saying this. I'm ok rolling with Jalen another year, especially if we move a 1 to next year. But also ok with taking one of those Qb's if it's WITHOUT moving up. Pickett seems like a high ceiling low floor kinda pick. Might be worth it late 1st

 

[renesauz]

well you have to go with what you think you know.  And it does not look good at all.   

trying to recall a weaker looking draft for qbs

not sure this is actually true. It's odd there's no censensus top 5 QB pick, but there seem to be lots of later 1st and 2nd round types. 5 years from now this could look like an above average class

 

[renesauz]

The only thing that determines whether or not this is a good or weak class is time. You’re guessing until than. 

This has nothing to do with us. I don’t think we take a QB before round 3 but I fully expect us to pretend we are taking Pickett, Willis or Corral

Just thinking out loud, has there ever been a draft that didn’t produce a good to great QB?

sure....but not many, and a couple of those classes were supposedly fairly strong at QB. The position is, and always has been a crap shoot.

The most likely scenario is that at least two of these guys projected in the top 2 rounds will have a nice career. The trick is figuring out which two....nobody seems to be good at that

 

[Terpman22]

I dunno, food for thought, but considering how "franchise" QBs are moving around like star NBA players these days, I would probably much rather us take all 3 picks and draft them this year and "see what happens" in the offseason vs trying to play the game of trading out again and trying to get a good/higher pick next year. Seems the class is deep at all our positions of need. Lot of combination of players I'd be happy with at 15-16-19. 

At the same time, having back to back picks is HUGE in the flexibility of trying to trade down/out of this year if that is the goal. 

Howie seems to have a great knack for at least "setting the table" not so much in execution (or as much as we would all like).

Pretty stoked for the season either way, we should have a team that improves from last year.

 

[need2know]

Wish the draft was sooner.   

 

[JetMaxx]

I dunno, food for thought, but considering how "franchise" QBs are moving around like star NBA players these days, I would probably much rather us take all 3 picks and draft them this year and "see what happens" in the offseason vs trying to play the game of trading out again and trying to get a good/higher pick next year. Seems the class is deep at all our positions of need. Lot of combination of players I'd be happy with at 15-16-19. 

At the same time, having back to back picks is HUGE in the flexibility of trying to trade down/out of this year if that is the goal. 

Howie seems to have a great knack for at least "setting the table" not so much in execution (or as much as we would all like).

Pretty stoked for the season either way, we should have a team that improves from last year.

Been playing with some of those mock draft simulators and there’s some pretty interesting trade scenarios when you have 3 picks in that short order

 

[Terpman22]

Been playing with some of those mock draft simulators and there’s some pretty interesting trade scenarios when you have 3 picks in that short order

Yeah man! And honestly, looking at everything and how crappy some of these teams' QB position is and the fact we have guys like Marcus Mariota still having value, I am pretty certain 2 QBs will get drafted before we pick, maybe even 3. Rookie wage scale allows teams to keep swinging these days, and teams like: Texans ex, Seahawks, Giants 2x, Falcons, Panthers, I'm literally feeling better and more optimistic each day we are going to be in prime position to add some of the best non QBs in the draft, and hopefully actually draft them to the Eagles. 

 

[DJackson10]

This tweet from @Sigmund Bloom seems to be something would should at least 'kick the tires' on

https://twitter.com/SigmundBloom/status/1505933543628750848?s=20&t=9g0BqnFPxdAYUk_KIHwAJw

Howie Roseman should put every team that shows interest in Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis on notice that #15 is up for sale (assuming they are there). With #16 and #19, the Eagles don't even lose their #1 target if they trade down. Could easily net a 23 1st + 22 2nd day pick + ?

He's onto something here. Howie wants to get a 23 1st and won't use all 3 1st unless he HAS TOO. Most people in the know who either worked with Howie or know Roseman's tendencies believes if any of the 3 picks is traded for more assets its 15

 

[DJackson10]

This tweet from @Sigmund Bloom seems to be something would should at least 'kick the tires' on

https://twitter.com/SigmundBloom/status/1505933543628750848?s=20&t=9g0BqnFPxdAYUk_KIHwAJw

Howie Roseman should put every team that shows interest in Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis on notice that #15 is up for sale (assuming they are there). With #16 and #19, the Eagles don't even lose their #1 target if they trade down. Could easily net a 23 1st + 22 2nd day pick + ?

However if the Eagles do like Pickett enough to draft him rather then wait till 23 for a QB I'm not opposed. Jersey native who is a card carrying Eagles fan member, great personality and a good baller. I know it won't be a sexy pick and theres going to be a lot of people not happy if we draft any QB this year, however KP is on the very short list of QBs I'd be ok taking in this draft. 

 

[DJackson10]

People tend to have revisionist history when it comes to QB’s anyway. This one looks like it sucks but there will be a good/great one or two. 

Than you have great classes that produce Goff and Wentz at the top. 

Or you have great classes like 2018 where the “bad developmental QB’s” end up being the best ones. 

Point being, the whole “this class sucks or is great” is complete BS. The people saying it are the same as us. 

It's just an easy copout argument for many people who don't do talent evals plus media can sell as a talking point to people. Jeremiah and others have said the Class this year is WEAKER THEN NEXT YEARS but I don't think anyone is flat-out saying there's no potential in this QB class at all. I think that's just an excuse people have lined up if somehow one of these guys becomes the next Mahomes and easier to handle missing out on. This is especially true with NBA fans who said similar about Jimmy Butler and Kawhai Leonard before they were drafted. 

 

[Amused to Death]

There are probably 5 players at positions of need I'd rather see them draft in the first round over a QB who maybe better than Hurts.

Four of them are on defense and a possible '23 replacement for Kelce.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

There are probably 5 players at positions of need I'd rather see them draft in the first round over a QB who maybe better than Hurts.

Four of them are on defense and a possible '23 replacement for Kelce.

Yeah there’s no sense in taking a QB before round 3 and in round 3 I’d only be good with it if Ridder or Strong fall so they can learn. 

Draft seems loaded with what we need and we have to the picks to fill a lot of spots. 

 

[DJackson10]

Picket has Ken doll-hands though. Smallest in history, or somesuch.

It's good thing Philly has such nice weather all the time or that might be a probl-what's that? Oh, never mind. 

Anyway, Willis is desribed by scouts as a multi-year project - 3, is the last I read. Corral also not ready for prime time. 

It's looking like a super weak QB class. 

Pickett played in Pittsburgh didn't seem to phase his hand size plus hand size for QBs is the stupidest thing people pay attention too from former coaches I talked too. They all say people put way too much stock in that and it's the most overblown part of the QB process. 

I wouldn't touch Willis with a 5O foot pole honestly. 

I would've mind Corral if he dropped honestly. I don't think any of the QBs are worth jumping up and down for to trade up but hell I also didn't think Mahomes would be anything special either and we all see where that's gone 

 

[DJackson10]

Obviously time will tell and you may have a couple go in the first 2 rounds. The overall point is that the ones who call these classes, at any position, weak or strong are just people with opinions and they’re proven wrong every single year. 

Couldn't have said this better. Especially when it comes from guys like Kiper. I put more stock in Todd McShay even thought I disagree with him a few times but I pay close attention to anything Daniel Jermiah says as he you know was an actual scout in the NFL at one time. I'll take his opinion over some of these football analysis who have never spent a day as a scout and just think they have access to all 22's and know fancy terms makes them an expert. A lot goes into scouting players. 

I said this when discussing Howie Roseman in terms of fan opinion and I think it holds true with other evaluations in sports. A lot of the people who watch these games act or think they are experts and couldn't be further from the truth. It's easier to feed them easy to debate stuff then and get higher ratings. There's certain buzzwords they use they know people will react too as well. Most of these guys jobs is to generate ratings. Them being wrong or right is an after thought these days. People need to take some of these talent eval opinions with a grain of salt. I'll take a former player like Orlovsky's opinion on QBs or Jermiah's comments on Prospects because he was a former scout over what Mel Kiper or some of these wannabe scouts might say on NFL Live or whatever. 

 

[DJackson10]

Yeah there’s no sense in taking a QB before round 3 and in round 3 I’d only be good with it if Ridder or Strong fall so they can learn. 

Draft seems loaded with what we need and we have to the picks to fill a lot of spots. 

If they draft any QB who they think is better then Hurts, you won't see Hurts play another down as an Eagle. They want a clean slate at QB for the successor if it were to happen. If the QB needs to learn for a year before taking over he most likely will be learning behind Minshew. Seems like the Eagles learned their lesson from the Hurts/Wentz and it sounds like if they draft Hurts Successor at any point Hurts is gone. I mean crazier things have happened where a team drafts a dev QB and the starter get injured out for the year and the rookie usurps the starter where the starter is traded in the offseason. But given what happened with the Eagles recently it sounds like they want a clean slate with whoever eventually comes in replacing Hurts meaning Hurts has to be off the roster. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Pickett played in Pittsburgh didn't seem to phase his hand size plus hand size for QBs is the stupidest thing people pay attention too from former coaches I talked too. They all say people put way too much stock in that and it's the most overblown part of the QB process. 

I wouldn't touch Willis with a 5O foot pole honestly. 

I would've mind Corral if he dropped honestly. I don't think any of the QBs are worth jumping up and down for to trade up but hell I also didn't think Mahomes would be anything special either and we all see where that's gone 

I’m just going with the flow here. Everyone keeps making a thing out of his hands. Reminds me of Alex Smith, who had a pretty nice career for a dude with tiny hands.

The biggest issue with Picket is his reportedly limited upside.

Tne rest are described as project QBs.

not an eagles fan, but i don’t think any of the 2022 QBs are an upgrade from what they have. 

 

[DJackson10]

I’m just going with the flow here. Everyone keeps making a thing out of his hands. Reminds me of Alex Smith, who had a pretty nice career for a dude with tiny hands.

The biggest issue with Picket is his reportedly limited upside.

Tne rest are described as project QBs.

not an eagles fan, but i don’t think any of the 2022 QBs are an upgrade from what they have. 

I know you are I just found this article and they talk about how the hand thing was debunked

Pickett's hand size not as big of a deal as many are making it.

I was more so talking about people who just take these guys as Biblical truth. I believe most of us here on this forum are here because we like to debate the inner workings of the game, have some fantasy FB fun and talk opinions in somewhat of open minds and respectively disagree. Most of the outside work large and wide sports wise are more casual fans then the diehards. This is the type of stuff that gets them tuning into the sports shows. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I know you are I just found this article and they talk about how the hand thing was debunked

Pickett's hand size not as big of a deal as many are making it.

was the article written by Pickett’s agent or his dad? 

 

I was more so talking about people who just take these guys as Biblical truth. I believe most of us here on this forum are here because we like to debate the inner workings of the game, have some fantasy FB fun and talk opinions in somewhat of open minds and respectively disagree. Most of the outside work large and wide sports wise are more casual fans then the diehards. This is the type of stuff that gets them tuning into the sports shows. 

Probably true. 

Plus, consider all the $ they’ll save on his gloves. So much less expensive when you can shop in the kids dept. 
 

 

[DJackson10]

was the article written by Pickett’s agent or his dad? 

 

Probably true. 

Plus, consider all the $ they’ll save on his gloves. So much less expensive when you can shop in the kids dept. 
 

No the link it actually to the 2O2O draft eval and all. And talks a lot about hand size. Most of the hand size argument is that smaller handles fumble easier. Brett Favre had huge hands which is why people thought he succeeded in the cold. However Rodgers who's hands are a bit smaller but still big for scout standards fumbled less then he did. 

Yes they could save $$$. I've joked before about me having a rather small head that any sports team could sign me for league minimum and I don't think I could do any worse then the guys out there. Plus they'll save on hat and helmet and other headgear size for me as they can shop in the kids department for mine. 

 

[jasvic]

Just thinking out loud, has there ever been a draft that didn’t produce a good to great QB?

Was mentioned earlier, but 2013 was terrible.

1,16,BUF,EJ Manuel
2,39,NYJ,Geno Smith
3,73,TAM,Mike Glennon
4,98,PHI,Matt Barkley
4,110,NYG,Ryan Nassib
4,112,OAK,Tyler Wilson
4,115,PIT,Landry Jones
7,221,SDG,Brad Sorensen
7,234,DEN,Zac Dysert
7,237,SFO,B.J. Daniels
7,249,ATL,Sean Renfree

 

[need2know]

Was mentioned earlier, but 2013 was terrible.

1,16,BUF,EJ Manuel
2,39,NYJ,Geno Smith
3,73,TAM,Mike Glennon
4,98,PHI,Matt Barkley
4,110,NYG,Ryan Nassib
4,112,OAK,Tyler Wilson
4,115,PIT,Landry Jones
7,221,SDG,Brad Sorensen
7,234,DEN,Zac Dysert
7,237,SFO,B.J. Daniels
7,249,ATL,Sean Renfree

and  only one qb went in round 1.  and it was the bills.  who messed up with picks for years before hitting on allen.  seems like most of the nfl saw a crappy qb class.  I think they will this time too.

 

[babydemon90]

Was mentioned earlier, but 2013 was terrible.

1,16,BUF,EJ Manuel
2,39,NYJ,Geno Smith
3,73,TAM,Mike Glennon
4,98,PHI,Matt Barkley
4,110,NYG,Ryan Nassib
4,112,OAK,Tyler Wilson
4,115,PIT,Landry Jones
7,221,SDG,Brad Sorensen
7,234,DEN,Zac Dysert
7,237,SFO,B.J. Daniels
7,249,ATL,Sean Renfree

Yea, I remember we actually could have used a QB that draft too.  Settling for an OL helped (and Miami taking Dion Jordan)

 

[jasvic]

Yea, I remember we actually could have used a QB that draft too.  Settling for an OL helped (and Miami taking Dion Jordan)

Exactly, it's why I remember it so well. Had #4 and needed a QB with none worth taking. So much of the draft is luck, not just hitting on picks but sucking in the right year.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Was mentioned earlier, but 2013 was terrible.

1,16,BUF,EJ Manuel
2,39,NYJ,Geno Smith
3,73,TAM,Mike Glennon
4,98,PHI,Matt Barkley
4,110,NYG,Ryan Nassib
4,112,OAK,Tyler Wilson
4,115,PIT,Landry Jones
7,221,SDG,Brad Sorensen
7,234,DEN,Zac Dysert
7,237,SFO,B.J. Daniels
7,249,ATL,Sean Renfree

and  only one qb went in round 1.  and it was the bills.  who messed up with picks for years before hitting on allen.  seems like most of the nfl saw a crappy qb class.  I think they will this time too.

We’ll have to see but at the moment there seems to be 3 mocked in the first this year. That alone blows 2013 out of the water and that’s before you get 3 more mocked in the 2nd round. Of course we won’t know until the draft is over but if that holds true, it’s a virtual lock that one of those 6 (maybe 2) turn out to be good to great. This isn’t me advocating for us to pick one but just saying it will be interesting to see how this plays out. 

 

[babydemon90]

Not going to say it's all luck, but picking a franchise QB is tough. So many QB's that went high and projected as great prospects have busted.

I mean heck - just last year we had THREE QB's go in the top 3. And if all 3 of those teams pick another QB in 5 years I dont think any of us would be shocked. 2020 looked like a solid hit rate, but 2019? Yikes.

 

[jasvic]

Not going to say it's all luck, but picking a franchise QB is tough. So many QB's that went high and projected as great prospects have busted.

I mean heck - just last year we had THREE QB's go in the top 3. And if all 3 of those teams pick another QB in 5 years I dont think any of us would be shocked. 2020 looked like a solid hit rate, but 2019? Yikes.

For luck I more meant the timing. Like Indy getting top picks when Manning and Luck are there, while Eagles get it when there's literally no one. Thinking more about this with hockey since the Flyers are in free fall currently and how the damn Penguins always have a top pick when a generational talent is available.

 

[Amused to Death]

Not going to say it's all luck, but picking a franchise QB is tough. So many QB's that went high and projected as great prospects have busted.

I mean heck - just last year we had THREE QB's go in the top 3. And if all 3 of those teams pick another QB in 5 years I dont think any of us would be shocked. 2020 looked like a solid hit rate, but 2019? Yikes.

I don't disagree, but I think part of it is the expectation of instant success. Gone are the days where a rookie QB sat for a couple of seasons before starting. Now they're a bust if they're not studs in their first 6 games. Are teams misjudging that badly on talent or is it unrealistic expectations (or coaching)? I think there's a lot of pressure for instant payoff while these top-rated QBs are on cheap rookie contracts.

Same with WRs.

 

[Saint]

Tyreek is up for sale and I read an article yesterday that the Eagles were in moves to get a WR (Ridley, Woods, JuJu, Robinson, etc.).... if they were willing to make a move to ATL to get Ridley... wondering if they could be a dark horse to go after Tyreek to put opposite of Smith.

 

[need2know]

Tyreek is up for sale and I read an article yesterday that the Eagles were in moves to get a WR (Ridley, Woods, JuJu, Robinson, etc.).... if they were willing to make a move to ATL to get Ridley... wondering if they could be a dark horse to go after Tyreek to put opposite of Smith.

depends on the cost.  like everything

 

[Bigboy10182000]

depends on the cost.  like everything

Have to assume it will mirror what Adams’ return was and I’m not about that life for a WR. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

depends on the cost.  like everything

He only cost 5 picks and like 1.5 awesome QB’s worth of money lol

 

[babydemon90]

I don't disagree, but I think part of it is the expectation of instant success. Gone are the days where a rookie QB sat for a couple of seasons before starting. 

Still, I think in the vast majority of cases, a rookie QB only sat in the past for a full year if an established vet was the starter.  I think in most cases where the rookie was behind a total scrub, you saw the rookie take over midway through season one at the latest. 

 

[Tom Hagen]

Good thread title.  I'm surprised Barnett hasn't been signed. I mean we know he's a knucklehead that takes stupid penalties at bad times but I didn't realize everyone else did also. I would have thought a 25 year old edge rusher would get paid no matter what.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

If this means Devante Parker is on the block then I hope Howie is interested 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

If this means Devante Parker is on the block then I hope Howie is interested 

I feel like we are just chasing our tails with these now. I think so far it’s evident that we’re cool with Hurts and starting Smith and Watkins while getting the cap back in order. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Adams - 0
Hill - 1
Allen - 0
Williams - 0
Cooper - 0
Thomas - 0
Godwin - 1
Kirk - 0
Golladay - 0
Lockett - 0
Evans - 1
Woods - 1
Cooks - 0
Theilen - 0
Kupp - 1
Robinson - 0
Sutton - 0
Anderson - 0
Diggs - 0
Davis - 0
Samuel - 0
Gallup - 0

Highest paid WR’s - Super Bowl Rings

Next year you’ll be able to add Metcalf and Jefferson to this list as well. 

 

[need2know]

If this means Devante Parker is on the block then I hope Howie is interested 

thinking the same thing. when we bowling

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

I feel like we are just chasing our tails with these now. I think so far it’s evident that we’re cool with Hurts and starting Smith and Watkins while getting the cap back in order. 

I hear what you are saying, but Eagles were rumored to he interested in at least Ridley and Woods, so not necessarily crazy to hold out hope.

 

[DJackson10]

I don't disagree, but I think part of it is the expectation of instant success. Gone are the days where a rookie QB sat for a couple of seasons before starting. Now they're a bust if they're not studs in their first 6 games. Are teams misjudging that badly on talent or is it unrealistic expectations (or coaching)? I think there's a lot of pressure for instant payoff while these top-rated QBs are on cheap rookie contracts.

Same with WRs.

The biggest issue is development at the QB position. HS is now becoming a business football wise. Coaches are putting their best athletes at QBs and most don't really teach QB skillsets from starting to read a defense, proper mechanics and other things a QB needs. Get to college and they don't have time to develop them as it's win now. This is why guys like Lamar Jackson and the like will have only short term success as players. Another reason why I don't think a guy like Hurts will develop much further then he is now. If you can't read defenses and be a bit consistent in the pocket as a passer you aren't going to be a long term starter in this league. 

The other issue like I said yesterday is 32 different teams with different scouts and many different opinions on how to develop a QB. Hopefully these new leagues like the XFL and USFL can become like a minor league system for the NFL and help not just QBs but other players with skillsets and develop it. 

 

[DJackson10]

If this means Devante Parker is on the block then I hope Howie is interested 

No thanks we don't need a 2/3 WR who's always hurt 

 

[The Noid]

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