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2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (2 Viewers)
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General Malaise
Footballguy
RIP Pac-12
Pours one out for LHucks (in the toilet)
Pours one out for LHucks (in the toilet)
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Jesus, bad run for him. is he going to live through the season?
I see, this could prevent the foot amputation? I guess that better but still pretty wild
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Deion would still be intensely motivated with one foot or two.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Pat Fitzgerald
He Gone
That was quick
He Gone
That was quick
gump
Footballguy
Some pretty weird stories…
massraider
Footballguy
Yet another school whose leadership misjudged the seriousness of accusations.
Northwestern caught in a mess of its own making
Northwestern's handling of alleged hazing allegations might end up taking down a football coach and the university president, too.
good writeup.
rockaction
Footballguy
I would say to wait until the facts come out about Fitzgerald and his role/knowledge of the behavior.
The thing about hazing is that you just don't do it. Different people interpret coerced acts differently, and the coercion paves the way for some awful stuff that seems to some participants like a joke to be exactly the opposite.
I'm hoping that's what happened here. I'm hoping it's not ritualized and condoned sexual assault and battery or nods to sexual assault and battery.
How ugly it seems to the ear like mine that doesn't know all the facts. Just sounds terrible.
Can't have it. Micah Parsons and Yetur Gross-Matos were implicated in something like this at Penn State and it went away, but every time I think of Parsons I think of that. It's a stain and a cancer, and rightfully so.
The thing about hazing is that you just don't do it. Different people interpret coerced acts differently, and the coercion paves the way for some awful stuff that seems to some participants like a joke to be exactly the opposite.
I'm hoping that's what happened here. I'm hoping it's not ritualized and condoned sexual assault and battery or nods to sexual assault and battery.
How ugly it seems to the ear like mine that doesn't know all the facts. Just sounds terrible.
Can't have it. Micah Parsons and Yetur Gross-Matos were implicated in something like this at Penn State and it went away, but every time I think of Parsons I think of that. It's a stain and a cancer, and rightfully so.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
WDIK2
Footballguy
Kind of interesting how times have changed. I haven't looked into it to see if there are also scholarship reductions, etc. If all the NCAA is going to do is levy a fine, I guess schools will just write a check. Fair since this involved former coaches. SMU died for these sins.
whoknew
Footballguy
With NIL, scholarship reductions seem pretty meaningless.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Maybe the NCAA knows this? But then again, probably not.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Northwestern’s culture of hazing is so bad that if I listed them Joe would give me a timeout.
As Jim Rome just said, “Has anyone else sued Northwestern today?”
Also, how effective was it if the football team went 1-11 last year??
As Jim Rome just said, “Has anyone else sued Northwestern today?”
Also, how effective was it if the football team went 1-11 last year??
The Commish
Footballguy
Anyone else appreciate the irony of Sankey's desire for "congressional oversight" of NIL deals?
facook
Footballguy
At this point this seems utterly impossible.
Galileo
Footballguy
Shrek Claps??? This one doesn't seem to fit the same theme as all the others on the list.
massraider
Footballguy
Ubben: If Deion Sanders' roster-building shortcut works, it will be copied across CFB
If Sanders succeeds in bringing successful change to Colorado, he’ll bring about change to an entire sport, too.
theathletic.com
You won't find a bigger Prime fan than me. Loved him from the day he was drafted, to the first game of his career, to the last pick-6.
One of the things I am always on the lookout for is hubris. I think it can cause a lot of problems. Deion has been hubris incarnate since I first laid eyes on him. But as a player, it was justified. As a coach, he has accomplished nothing at the big time level. And he's talking like he's giving his Hall of Fame speech.
General Malaise
Footballguy
BREAKING: Jim Harbaugh suspended four games to open 2023 season
In a stunning turn of events just days before the 2023 Big Ten Media Days at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, Michigan football head coach Jim Harbaugh has officially been suspended the first four games of the 2023 season. The suspension stems from penalties relating to recruiting violations and false claims Harbaugh made to investigators earlier this offseason.
whoknew
Footballguy
Allegedly
The Commish
Footballguy
Is this the cheeseburger thing?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Allegedly.
The Commish
Footballguy
I mean it coulda been Grimase I guess. I think my favorite people are the internet sleuths out there on the cusp of some major epiphany that's going to take down the program for good.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I just don't understand the NCAA or whatever trying to crack down on coaches at this point. I feel like trying to enforce rules now is like trying to prosecute people for marijuana in states where it's legal.
mr. furley
Footballguy
sounds like Minnesota might want to issue some carefully worded statements in the coming days and weeks
www.cbssports.com
Ex-Minnesota football players, staffers allege toxic culture under coach P.J. Fleck within program
Former players are speaking out against the program, comparing the manner in which Fleck runs his team to a 'cult'
www.cbssports.com
The Commish
Footballguy
you and me both brother
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Big 12 seems a better fit for them IMO...should've never left. Plus, who's next?
I could see the Big 12 taking UA for the basketball, but not ASU. I think ASU would have to ask to join. My
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
If they want Arizona, they may not have a choice but to take ASU.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I think there's going to be some blockbuster announcements coming soon....like, Oregon to the Big Ten, Washington State to the Big 12 kinda whacky stuff.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Yeah Oregon and Washington have to be working as hard as they can to get a prom date before everyone is spoken for.
Oregon is not going to get left out as they are a major brand name. I think the Big Ten is likely destination for them and Washington. Colorado is likely the necessary domino to fall first IMO.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I can’t believe those two weren’t in as part of the USC/UCLA move.
Doug B
Footballguy
OK, I think I'm caught up. Missed that these two were going to the Big "Ten".
Now I'm wondering if, say, the SEC will ever pick up schools west of Texas.
bigbottom
Footballguy
PAC-12 is imploding. Also don’t have a tv deal inked yet.
Capella
Footballguy
Word was the BIG didn’t want them. I don’t know what the truth is or not but I wouldn’t assume there is an invite sitting there.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Exclusive: Former Gophers Outline Toxic Culture Under P.J. Fleck
Former University of Minnesota football players describe a culture of intimidation and toxicity under head coach P.J. Fleck.
frontofficesports.com
F.A.M.I.L.Y.
-What are we willing to put up with to have our favorite college team, whoever you root for, what are we willing to put up with, turn our heads, pretend we don't see things that are largely unacceptable in today's world?
-If Miami could ever compete for a National Title again, I'm thinking the fan base would turn their heads and look away a lot easier than the people who now run the Univ of Miami and I'm not talking about Cristobal the Head Coach.
-I doubt any Michigan fan is even mildly embarrassed that Harbaugh is suspended for 4 games.
I heard the Big 10 didn't want to have blood on its hands by taking Oregon and Washington so with Colorado leaving that opens the door for AZ, ASU, Utah to bolt to Big 12 and then Oregon and Washington more likely than not getting invited to Big 10. Should be intetesting.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I don't see a path forward for survival. The conference replaced one bad commissioner with one who is even worse. Ineffectual, overwhelmed and desperate now, George Kliavkoff can really only watch as the ship goes down. He keeps clinging on to the idea that his conference is an attractive one and that a TV deal is imminent, but he's been saying this for ever and nothing happens. "Two more weeks"....well, guy - not sure if you know how to read a calendar, but games are starting here shortly. Colorado - a school that has been an abject disaster for the Pac12 - just left you for the Big12, a conference the Pac12 looked down on just a year or so ago. Whoops.
San Diego State isn't going to change anything about the plight of the Pac12. It's not a school that has ever moved the needle and no, I don't care that SDSU went to the basketball finals this year. Football is your driver and the Aztecs are a Chevy Cobalt.
Yeah, I think Oregon and Washington are a package deal. Wash St and Oregon St are going to have to hope the Big12 takes them, otherwise it's Mountain West or bust. I could see Stanford and Cal either going independent or giving up football entirely. Sports aren't that big of a deal to either university. The Arizona schools are rarely relevant in football and I'd be surprised if the Big12 makes a push for them. Not out of the question, but Utah is a much more attractive commodity right now.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Exclusive: Former Gophers Outline Toxic Culture Under P.J. Fleck
Former University of Minnesota football players describe a culture of intimidation and toxicity under head coach P.J. Fleck.
F.A.M.I.L.Y.
-What are we willing to put up with to have our favorite college team, whoever you root for, what are we willing to put up with, turn our heads, pretend we don't see things that are largely unacceptable in today's world?
-If Miami could ever compete for a National Title again, I'm thinking the fan base would turn their heads and look away a lot easier than the people who now run the Univ of Miami and I'm not talking about Cristobal the Head Coach.
-I doubt any Michigan fan is even mildly embarrassed that Harbaugh is suspended for 4 games.
Which directional Florida school will Cristoball be coaching at in 2025?
The Commish
Footballguy
I'm rather confident if Oregon and Washington were going to make the B1G any meaningful amount of cash, they'd likely not really care about "blood on their hands". If they aren't going to bring something new/different to the BTAA and/or new ability to negotiate TV deals, the B1G isn't interested.
Capella
Footballguy
There is no chance the big 10 cares about that at all imo.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Do you remember when it was just Miami, FSU and the Gators? Seems like such a long time ago, now there's a college football program in almost every city here in Florida.Exclusive: Former Gophers Outline Toxic Culture Under P.J. Fleck
Former University of Minnesota football players describe a culture of intimidation and toxicity under head coach P.J. Fleck.
F.A.M.I.L.Y.
-What are we willing to put up with to have our favorite college team, whoever you root for, what are we willing to put up with, turn our heads, pretend we don't see things that are largely unacceptable in today's world?
-If Miami could ever compete for a National Title again, I'm thinking the fan base would turn their heads and look away a lot easier than the people who now run the Univ of Miami and I'm not talking about Cristobal the Head Coach.
-I doubt any Michigan fan is even mildly embarrassed that Harbaugh is suspended for 4 games.
Which directional Florida school will Cristoball be coaching at in 2025?
I thought 5-7 was enough to fire him but that's how low the bar is now at the Univ of Miami.
I don't think wins or losses matter any more in Coral Gables, which is why I ask what fans are willing to put up with to see their team succeed.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Do you remember when it was just Miami, FSU and the Gators? Seems like such a long time ago, now there's a college football program in almost every city here in Florida.Exclusive: Former Gophers Outline Toxic Culture Under P.J. Fleck
Former University of Minnesota football players describe a culture of intimidation and toxicity under head coach P.J. Fleck.
F.A.M.I.L.Y.
-What are we willing to put up with to have our favorite college team, whoever you root for, what are we willing to put up with, turn our heads, pretend we don't see things that are largely unacceptable in today's world?
-If Miami could ever compete for a National Title again, I'm thinking the fan base would turn their heads and look away a lot easier than the people who now run the Univ of Miami and I'm not talking about Cristobal the Head Coach.
-I doubt any Michigan fan is even mildly embarrassed that Harbaugh is suspended for 4 games.
Which directional Florida school will Cristoball be coaching at in 2025?
I thought 5-7 was enough to fire him but that's how low the bar is now at the Univ of Miami.
I don't think wins or losses matter any more in Coral Gables, which is why I ask what fans are willing to put up with to see their team succeed.
I mean, they weren't staffed by Boy Scouts back when they were good, so......
I don't think Miami ever returns to relevance. The sport passed them by just like it did for Nebraska. Damn near impossible to summit the mountain again, especially when you've been so bad for so long.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I would like to know more about Colorado bolting, is that directly due to Deion Sanders being hired as the Head Coach?
I would think so but maybe they were heading out of the Pac-12 anyways?
I would think so but maybe they were heading out of the Pac-12 anyways?
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