2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (3 Viewers)

[The Commish]

College Football Strength of Schedule Rankings

Strength of Schedule Played and Strength of Schedule Remaining for all 133 NCAA Division 1 Football teams.

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Strength of schedule for the teams in the playoff conversation:

Texas #2
Alabama #6
Washington #8
Ohio State #43
Georgia #45
Michigan #51
Florida State #55

Maybe part of the answer is right here: Florida State’s SofS doesn’t hold up to Texas, Alabama or Washington (of course neither does Michigan’s)

It should be rather obvious that this committee didn't put a ton of weight on the regular season. I'm not sure how this is relevant.

Because people keep touring FSU SoS.

I believe FSU SoS was harder than UM

My point is, I don't see why you guys are making arguments for teams using criteria the committee didn't consider all that much.

So then why was FSU excluded? Strictly because of injured QB? Anything else?

I think there’s a list of reasons FSU got left out:

• ACC is seen as either the 4th or 5th best P5 conference
• SEC is seen as the best conference
• Alabama gets the benefit of the doubt due to history
• FSU QB getting injured and then they didn’t look great without him
• Money

It's neither of the first two otherwise the committee wouldn't have FSU ranked above UGA. Committee thinks FSU with no QB is better than a completely healthy UGA....let that sink in a second. Once you come to terms with that, you see it's very likely only a combo of your fourth and fifth bullet points. They are putting more emphasis on what they think might happen in the future based on personnel than they are on what happened over the entirety of the season. That is what is causing their actions and words to be mismatched.

It’s all of them - that’s kind of my point. We often in these forums (and as humans) take complex things and try to make sense of them or give them simple answers. Life doesn’t work that way most of the time. Think about your own decisions - how often is there only one factor in play? They can easily say I think SEC > ACC and it factored in to that decision and then they say well, yep I think that but I want it to look like FSU was close so let’s make them 5th. Decisions can be both complex and inconsistent in the thought process.

I'm not concerned about what they SAID to you and me. I'm observing their actions. Those are pretty objective. They made those decisions. Their actions tell me they believe FSU without their QB to be better than Georgia, who was #1 in the country in their minds just a week prior. What they SAID is completely irrelevant to me. What they DID speaks volumes and tells me, rather clearly, that FSU injuries were first and foremost in their minds. It's speculation on my part (though pretty logical IMO) the other major factor was the absence of a SEC team in the playoff.

Are you of the opinion that if the FSU QB was healthy, they still would have put Alabama in the playoff?

Yes but not Texas.

Cool....this happens because the fourth bullet point doesn't exist and #5 still does. We KNOW who the better team was between Texas and Alabama and they still choose Alabama. Have no business measuring conference strength or any of that nonsense when the regular season clearly wasn't valued all that much and the committee didn't even do what they said they were going to do....now we're getting somewhere.

 

[The Commish]

And if Michigan lost McCarthy, they'd be a shell of themselves. They are REALLY thin on experience at the QB position. So if the belief is they wouldn't treat Michigan the same way, then it's just picking on "feels" vs objective/measurable stats/accomplishments. That's ********* IMO.

 

[Peak]

Their actions tell me they believe FSU without their QB to be better than Georgia, who was #1 in the country in their minds just a week prior. What they SAID is completely irrelevant to me. What they DID speaks volumes and tells me, rather clearly, that FSU injuries were first and foremost in their minds.

Another lens to look through, did the Committee put FSU ahead of Georgia as a kind of consolation prize? Knowing that there would be backlash by leaving them out, they adjusted the rankings to give the perception that they hold FSU in a higher regard than Georgia. Like "hey, sorry you didn't make it with the injured QB and all, but we still think you're better than what has been viewed as the #1 team in the country, Georgia." Maybe the ranking was to be FSU's participation ribbon type of placement?

 

[Capella]

Welp I was dead wrong. That sucks.

Well, crap. Logged into the forum for the first time in over a year, I think, scrolled back to Sunday morning posts for schadenfreude, and this is the first one I see at the time of the announcement.

Sorry brother

Doesn't seem fun to read through now.

Jeep! How you doing buddy? Hope things are well.


Yea that sucked but life goes on. Got a newborn at home that keeps me from sleeping and being angry about this. Hope you’re well.

 

[gump]

Michigan will be in the Maize and Blue…Bama in the road Whites w Crimson.

Going to look amazing on TV in that setting.

 

[Tau837]

On a scale of 1 to 10 how angry would you be if Bama wins it in controversial fashion while you guys beat UGA by 20?

I mean there are too many variables at play, so hard to say. I do think we got the hardest opponent of all the 6 teams considered which is oddly hilarious.

To answer part of the question, if we beat UGA by 20 I will forever be mad. 14-0 with that kind of win at the end? Hang the banner. Teams have claimed titles for less.

How likely do you think it is that FSU wins, much less by 20? I think they likely lose by 20+.

UGA is one of the best 4 teams IMO.

Great. I understand why you think that.

However, they didnt win when it was most needed. So tough luck, see ya next year!

Sure, and, although I think UGA is one of the best 4 teams, I'm not arguing for them to be in the playoff. I don't think FSU is one of the best 4 teams, and I understand why they were left out, although I have posted here that I think FSU should have gotten in over Texas.

 

[Jayded]

Texas getting in because of Bama's win shouldn't be that surprising. It was their best win on the season. It also went from winning against a 2 loss traditional power to them beating the SEC champion on the road. Bama winning likely did keep FSU out of the playoffs, but it isn't just because they'd have forced Bama in, but also because Texas' win got that much shinier because Bama won the SEC.

 

[The Commish]

Their actions tell me they believe FSU without their QB to be better than Georgia, who was #1 in the country in their minds just a week prior. What they SAID is completely irrelevant to me. What they DID speaks volumes and tells me, rather clearly, that FSU injuries were first and foremost in their minds.

Another lens to look through, did the Committee put FSU ahead of Georgia as a kind of consolation prize? Knowing that there would be backlash by leaving them out, they adjusted the rankings to give the perception that they hold FSU in a higher regard than Georgia. Like "hey, sorry you didn't make it with the injured QB and all, but we still think you're better than what has been viewed as the #1 team in the country, Georgia." Maybe the ranking was to be FSU's participation ribbon type of placement?

Only they can clarify their messaging if they want to. What they said was pretty clear though. If they didn't mean it, they should correct/clarify it. We aren't mind readers

 

[offdee]

Easily the worst matchup in recent bowl history and yet the spread is the same at the moment as at least one other game this year, and pretty close to the 5/6 Georgia FSU game. Just last year, we had an LSU Purdue Citrus bowl with a big spread and even worse actual matchup.

Advanced screening of what the #12 seed will be in next years playoff. It’s the highest ranked non Big 5 conf team.

This year Liberty would’ve gotten in the Playoff over actual #12 Oklahoma.

 

[offdee]

The playoff goes to 12 next year. A year too late for some, but I believe this is the first year 6ish teams had a legit claim to be in it.

JJ Watt had a tweet to do an emergency 6 team playoff. Michigan and Washington get a bye. First round is Texas, Alabama, Georgia, FSU.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

@Capella - expect some big news Sun/early next week my friend...no related to CFP...that's all I'm saying!

Did we get an answer here?

Are you sure the news wasn’t that fsu would be screwed out of the playoff?

 

[jplvr]

Welp I was dead wrong. That sucks.

Well, crap. Logged into the forum for the first time in over a year, I think, scrolled back to Sunday morning posts for schadenfreude, and this is the first one I see at the time of the announcement.

Sorry brother

Doesn't seem fun to read through now.

Jeep! How you doing buddy? Hope things are well.


Yea that sucked but life goes on. Got a newborn at home that keeps me from sleeping and being angry about this. Hope you’re well.

Yeah, it sucks. Not much to do about it. I’ve felt gutted for FSU fans tbh, but the rest of the CFB world freaking out has been fun to watch.

Awesome to hear and congrats. I moved to the panhandle a few years ago, and I’m doing well. Just older and dumber than a Google search.

 

[Da Guru]

Texas getting in because of Bama's win shouldn't be that surprising. It was their best win on the season. It also went from winning against a 2 loss traditional power to them beating the SEC champion on the road. Bama winning likely did keep FSU out of the playoffs, but it isn't just because they'd have forced Bama in, but also because Texas' win got that much shinier because Bama won the SEC.

If Bama would have lost to Auburn, then beat Georgia I think committee puts Georgia in.

 

[Capella]

@Capella - expect some big news Sun/early next week my friend...no related to CFP...that's all I'm saying!

Did we get an answer here?

Are you sure the news wasn’t that fsu would be screwed out of the playoff?

He did say he had big news. He sure wasn’t kidding.

 

[Capella]

but the rest of the CFB world freaking out has been fun to watch.

It’s crazy how every time I flip espn on it’s being talked about. I muted it out Sunday afternoon, it’s just morons yelling back and forth at each other saying the same thing.

 

[JAA]

College Football Strength of Schedule Rankings

Strength of Schedule Played and Strength of Schedule Remaining for all 133 NCAA Division 1 Football teams.

powerrankingsguru.com

Strength of schedule for the teams in the playoff conversation:

Texas #2
Alabama #6
Washington #8
Ohio State #43
Georgia #45
Michigan #51
Florida State #55

Maybe part of the answer is right here: Florida State’s SofS doesn’t hold up to Texas, Alabama or Washington (of course neither does Michigan’s)

It should be rather obvious that this committee didn't put a ton of weight on the regular season. I'm not sure how this is relevant.

Because people keep touring FSU SoS.

I believe FSU SoS was harder than UM

My point is, I don't see why you guys are making arguments for teams using criteria the committee didn't consider all that much.

So then why was FSU excluded? Strictly because of injured QB? Anything else?

I think there’s a list of reasons FSU got left out:

• ACC is seen as either the 4th or 5th best P5 conference
• SEC is seen as the best conference
• Alabama gets the benefit of the doubt due to history
• FSU QB getting injured and then they didn’t look great without him
• Money

It's neither of the first two otherwise the committee wouldn't have FSU ranked above UGA. Committee thinks FSU with no QB is better than a completely healthy UGA....let that sink in a second. Once you come to terms with that, you see it's very likely only a combo of your fourth and fifth bullet points. They are putting more emphasis on what they think might happen in the future based on personnel than they are on what happened over the entirety of the season. That is what is causing their actions and words to be mismatched.

It’s all of them - that’s kind of my point. We often in these forums (and as humans) take complex things and try to make sense of them or give them simple answers. Life doesn’t work that way most of the time. Think about your own decisions - how often is there only one factor in play? They can easily say I think SEC > ACC and it factored in to that decision and then they say well, yep I think that but I want it to look like FSU was close so let’s make them 5th. Decisions can be both complex and inconsistent in the thought process.

If Clemson is undefeated, do they get left out of the CFP?

 

[msudaisy26]

Texas getting in because of Bama's win shouldn't be that surprising. It was their best win on the season. It also went from winning against a 2 loss traditional power to them beating the SEC champion on the road. Bama winning likely did keep FSU out of the playoffs, but it isn't just because they'd have forced Bama in, but also because Texas' win got that much shinier because Bama won the SEC.

If Bama would have lost to Auburn, then beat Georgia I think committee puts Georgia in.

No chance.

 

[Penguin]

I don't think it's been discussed but since it appears the committee is weighting TV ratings and money into their decision. What if Ewers was injured and (I know he's 3rd string) Arch Manning lead them to the Big 12 championship and Texas announced him as their starter, would Texas be left out?

 

[msudaisy26]

FSU got hosed, but it was the perfect storm with Geoegia losing and everyone else winning and winning easily or against a great opponent.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Texas 29, TCU (4-6) 26
Alabama 27, Auburn (6-6) 24
Michigan 31, Maryland (6-5) 24
FSU 16, Louisville (10-3) 6 <--------------bad win

Playoff logic.

 

[offdee]

I don't think it's been discussed but since it appears the committee is weighting TV ratings and money into their decision. What if Ewers was injured and (I know he's 3rd string) Arch Manning lead them to the Big 12 championship and Texas announced him as their starter, would Texas be left out?

2 games of FSU showing zero offense with the new QBs. Thats what it was. If the backup QBs showed any life things would’ve likely been different.

 

[Galileo]

Texas 29, TCU (4-6) 26
Alabama 27, Auburn (6-6) 24 <--------------blind squirrel level luck
Michigan 31, Maryland (6-5) 24
FSU 16, Louisville (10-3) 6 <--------------bad win

Playoff logic.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Texas 29, TCU (4-6) 26
Alabama 27, Auburn (6-6) 24
Michigan 31, Maryland (6-5) 24
FSU 16, Louisville (10-3) 6 <--------------bad win

Playoff logic.

Yep. Louisville was getting 30+ against almost everyone, but FSU holding them to 6 is apparently unimpressive.

 

[Capella]

I don't think it's been discussed but since it appears the committee is weighting TV ratings and money into their decision. What if Ewers was injured and (I know he's 3rd string) Arch Manning lead them to the Big 12 championship and Texas announced him as their starter, would Texas be left out?

2 games of FSU showing zero offense with the new QBs. Thats what it was. If the backup QBs showed any life things would’ve likely been different.

They outgained Michigan during the same time.

 

[Tau837]

Enough of the whining about FSU. Come on.

It was fairly obvious to anyone with a brain that the injury combined with FSU's lackluster schedule made them vulnerable to this if circumstances broke a certain way. It happened. The reasons it happened have been covered thoroughly in this thread. Sure, there are plenty of arguments against what happened... but it happened. It's time to move on.

 

[offdee]

I don't think it's been discussed but since it appears the committee is weighting TV ratings and money into their decision. What if Ewers was injured and (I know he's 3rd string) Arch Manning lead them to the Big 12 championship and Texas announced him as their starter, would Texas be left out?

2 games of FSU showing zero offense with the new QBs. Thats what it was. If the backup QBs showed any life things would’ve likely been different.

They outgained Michigan during the same time.

Using wildcat and not scoring points

 

[Capella]

I don't think it's been discussed but since it appears the committee is weighting TV ratings and money into their decision. What if Ewers was injured and (I know he's 3rd string) Arch Manning lead them to the Big 12 championship and Texas announced him as their starter, would Texas be left out?

2 games of FSU showing zero offense with the new QBs. Thats what it was. If the backup QBs showed any life things would’ve likely been different.

They outgained Michigan during the same time.

Using wildcat and not scoring points

Is the wildcat not offense? Michigan had a long punt return down to the 5, this is all so stupid lmao

 

[offdee]

I don't think it's been discussed but since it appears the committee is weighting TV ratings and money into their decision. What if Ewers was injured and (I know he's 3rd string) Arch Manning lead them to the Big 12 championship and Texas announced him as their starter, would Texas be left out?

2 games of FSU showing zero offense with the new QBs. Thats what it was. If the backup QBs showed any life things would’ve likely been different.

They outgained Michigan during the same time.

Using wildcat and not scoring points

Is the wildcat not offense? Michigan had a long punt return down to the 5, this is all so stupid lmao

It is, but it’s a gimmick to avoid QB involvement which is the whole issue with FSU.

 

[psychobillies]

the rest of the CFB world freaking out has been fun to watch.




I've just been getting a kick out of hearing all the FSU guys talking about how great LSU is.

 

[Capella]

the rest of the CFB world freaking out has been fun to watch.




I've just been getting a kick out of hearing all the FSU guys talking about how great LSU is.

No I think the point being made is that the fsu defense held the heisman winner to his poorest performance of the year, so it’s reasonable to think they could shut down Michigan’s mediocre offense or another one of these teams. But defense doesn’t matter anymore, just a quarterback.

 

[psychobillies]

the rest of the CFB world freaking out has been fun to watch.




I've just been getting a kick out of hearing all the FSU guys talking about how great LSU is.

No I think the point being made is that the fsu defense held the heisman winner to his poorest performance of the year, so it’s reasonable to think they could shut down Michigan’s mediocre offense or another one of these teams. But defense doesn’t matter anymore, just a quarterback.

I was referring to the internet in general, not here necessarily. I'm on team FSU on this. I think leaving the SEC out was the obvious call this year, and the committee had an opportunity to make themselves seem like a legit, unbiased group. They did just the opposite, and have ruined any credibility they may have had in the future. Bring the BCS back to pick the 12 teams. The problem then wasn't the computer, it was having only two teams get in.

 

[psychobillies]

BCS rankings
I think this would have been a little less controversial, and at least it's not based on TV ratings.

 

[psychobillies]

https://twitter.com/ayssports/status/1732137541728440762?s=46&t=YffVRMdqgRY74uiISkdyng

 

[The Commish]

BCS rankings
I think this would have been a little less controversial, and at least it's not based on TV ratings.

FWIW...what it'd look like if next year's rules were applied this year:

College Football Playoff: What a 12-team postseason would have looked like in 2023

The expanded playoff is just a year away, but it would have been nice to have this season.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[culdeus]

BCS rankings
I think this would have been a little less controversial, and at least it's not based on TV ratings.

FWIW...what it'd look like if next year's rules were applied this year:

College Football Playoff: What a 12-team postseason would have looked like in 2023

The expanded playoff is just a year away, but it would have been nice to have this season.

sports.yahoo.com

Missouri is the one that would draw the most eyerolls. Why not SMU over them.

 

[The Commish]

BCS rankings
I think this would have been a little less controversial, and at least it's not based on TV ratings.

FWIW...what it'd look like if next year's rules were applied this year:

College Football Playoff: What a 12-team postseason would have looked like in 2023

The expanded playoff is just a year away, but it would have been nice to have this season.

sports.yahoo.com

Missouri is the one that would draw the most eyerolls. Why not SMU over them.

Can honestly say, I don't really care that far down the line.....argue away....whatever is decided, cool

And if I'm not mistaken, those at large bids are driven by the CFP rankings too....they just take right off the list. You see how the committee did its work. Good luck getting a logical answer out of them.

 

[dino259]

I don't think it's been discussed but since it appears the committee is weighting TV ratings and money into their decision. What if Ewers was injured and (I know he's 3rd string) Arch Manning lead them to the Big 12 championship and Texas announced him as their starter, would Texas be left out?

2 games of FSU showing zero offense with the new QBs. Thats what it was. If the backup QBs showed any life things would’ve likely been different.

They outgained Michigan during the same time.

Using wildcat and not scoring points

What about michigan only throwing 8 times against Penn state? That was in the heat of the limited talk about McCarthy in the heisman race.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I don't think it's been discussed but since it appears the committee is weighting TV ratings and money into their decision. What if Ewers was injured and (I know he's 3rd string) Arch Manning lead them to the Big 12 championship and Texas announced him as their starter, would Texas be left out?

2 games of FSU showing zero offense with the new QBs. Thats what it was. If the backup QBs showed any life things would’ve likely been different.

They outgained Michigan during the same time.

Using wildcat and not scoring points

Is the wildcat not offense? Michigan had a long punt return down to the 5, this is all so stupid lmao

It is, but it’s a gimmick to avoid QB involvement which is the whole issue with FSU.

They didn't run the wildcat when they had Rodemaker and they get him back before the playoff games.

Michigan practically ran the 1917 double wing offense in one of their games to avoid their QB throwing the ball.

 

[The Commish]

Just a point of clarification on the Michigan vs PSU game. They started running the ball to protect McCarthy from getting killed from the right side (scheme issues they've obviously fixed). They have zero concerns about his ability to throw (especially when healthy which he wasn't during the PSU game). I doubt they imagined they wouldn't have to throw the ball again once half way through the second quarter.

FUN FACT: McCarthy is the only 5* from his class who is still on the team they committed to.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Just a point of clarification on the Michigan vs PSU game. They started running the ball to protect McCarthy from getting killed from the right side (scheme issues they've obviously fixed). They have zero concerns about his ability to throw (especially when healthy which he wasn't during the PSU game). I doubt they imagined they wouldn't have to throw the ball again once half way through the second quarter.

FUN FACT: McCarthy is the only 5* from his class who is still on the team they committed to.

Good points. Anyone who actually watches these games already knows McCarthy can throw the ball. There were a few in the OSU game that were absolute bullets.

 

[Jayded]

So Mike Gundy’s son, who plays for dad at OSU, has entered the portal. Should make for an awkward family Christmas chat.

 

[gump]

Michigan will be going for its 9th Rose Bowl win…which would tie for 1st all-time with OSU.

Alabama will be going for its 6th (not counting the BCS ‘09 win over Texas)….which would tie them for 4th all-time. The Rose is a big part of Bama history, including being a part of its fight song.

 

[Tom Servo]

Citrus Bowl - TN v Iowa. The O/U is 35.5.

I mean - WAY WAY under. If I were a bettor.

FUN FACT: Iowa’s Tory Taylor is just 19 yards away from breaking Johnny Pingel’s single season punting yards record of 4,138. It’s stood since 1938.

 

[Desert_Power]

BCS rankings
I think this would have been a little less controversial, and at least it's not based on TV ratings.

FWIW...what it'd look like if next year's rules were applied this year:

College Football Playoff: What a 12-team postseason would have looked like in 2023

The expanded playoff is just a year away, but it would have been nice to have this season.

sports.yahoo.com

Missouri is the one that would draw the most eyerolls. Why not SMU over them.

Yeah their ranking is a complete joke. It's also not like they are keeping an undefeated major conference champ out.

 

[culdeus]

S

Michigan will be going for its 9th Rose Bowl win…which would tie for 1st all-time with OSU.

Alabama will be going for its 6th (not counting the BCS ‘09 win over Texas)….which would tie them for 4th all-time. The Rose is a big part of Bama history, including being a part of its fight song.

Remind me. The BCS bowls weren't the bowls but the playoff bowls are the bowls?

 

[Desert_Power]

the rest of the CFB world freaking out has been fun to watch.




I've just been getting a kick out of hearing all the FSU guys talking about how great LSU is.

No I think the point being made is that the fsu defense held the heisman winner to his poorest performance of the year, so it’s reasonable to think they could shut down Michigan’s mediocre offense or another one of these teams. But defense doesn’t matter anymore, just a quarterback.

I was referring to the internet in general, not here necessarily. I'm on team FSU on this. I think leaving the SEC out was the obvious call this year, and the committee had an opportunity to make themselves seem like a legit, unbiased group. They did just the opposite, and have ruined any credibility they may have had in the future. Bring the BCS back to pick the 12 teams. The problem then wasn't the computer, it was having only two teams get in.

I believe that if Georgia had won, Texas would have been left out.

Problem is that Texas' best and only really good win was at Bama.

 

[gump]

S

Michigan will be going for its 9th Rose Bowl win…which would tie for 1st all-time with OSU.

Alabama will be going for its 6th (not counting the BCS ‘09 win over Texas)….which would tie them for 4th all-time. The Rose is a big part of Bama history, including being a part of its fight song.

Remind me. The BCS bowls weren't the bowls but the playoff bowls are the bowls?

That's it...The Rose Bowl semi-finals are billed by the Tournament of Roses Committee as the Rose Bowl...the BCS Finals were specifically billed as not that (as there was an earlier Rose Bowl those years).

 

[In The Zone]

They had to block a last second field goal to beat a mediocre South Carolina team at home.

Needed to block three damn kicks to win that game.

and the guy blocking the kick should have been suspended.

 

[-OZ-]

College Football Strength of Schedule Rankings

Strength of Schedule Played and Strength of Schedule Remaining for all 133 NCAA Division 1 Football teams.

powerrankingsguru.com

Strength of schedule for the teams in the playoff conversation:

Texas #2
Alabama #6
Washington #8
Ohio State #43
Georgia #45
Michigan #51
Florida State #55

Maybe part of the answer is right here: Florida State’s SofS doesn’t hold up to Texas, Alabama or Washington (of course neither does Michigan’s)

It should be rather obvious that this committee didn't put a ton of weight on the regular season. I'm not sure how this is relevant.

Because people keep touring FSU SoS.

I believe FSU SoS was harder than UM

My point is, I don't see why you guys are making arguments for teams using criteria the committee didn't consider all that much.

So then why was FSU excluded? Strictly because of injured QB? Anything else?

I think there’s a list of reasons FSU got left out:

• ACC is seen as either the 4th or 5th best P5 conference
• SEC is seen as the best conference
• Alabama gets the benefit of the doubt due to history
• FSU QB getting injured and then they didn’t look great without him
• Money

But then FSU had an incredibly impressive win against an SEC school to start their season so bullet points 1 and 2 are mitigated.

The QB injury is the most likely culprit, which is complete and utter BS and unfair to FSU.

I'm ready to move on but I think the committee got it wrong. Can't wait until next year when we debate the bubble teams that got screwed.

I wonder how many people will keep talking about how wrong it was if Alabama wins both games. And FSU gets beat bad by UGA.

You’re right that FSU beat LSU. in September, and LSU is somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best SEC team. It was a convincing win, so that counts for something.

I believe that if Georgia had won, Texas would have been left out.

Problem is that Texas' best and only really good win was at Bama

Totally agree.

 

[Capella]

And FSU gets beat bad by UGA.

Conversely what if FSU beats UGA?