2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (6 Viewers)

[Capella]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

 

[Schmeabs]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

 

[WDIK2]

I still consider the 90s recent history.

 

[Capella]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

 

[bigbottom]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

 

[Capella]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

 

[bigbottom]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

Heck look at USC. Their current schedule for next season is 9 B1G conference games plus LSU and Notre Dame. That is a freaking tough schedule. They will surely take a big step backwards record wise. But the move was about money and long-term viability.

 

[bigbottom]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

 

[Capella]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

 

[Schmeabs]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

 

[bigbottom]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

You may be forgetting USC.

 

[bigbottom]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

You may be forgetting USC.

Actually, you’re not. They’ve dropped. But I think their class will be ahead of Oregon by December.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Stanford and Cal to speak with the ACC.....

I mean, can this get any more ridiculous?

Was hoping they would stick with OSU and WSU

And have a conference of four teams?

I was hopeful Cal would win a conference championship at some point in my life

If you win a conference championship but nobody is there to see it, did it really happen?

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

I honestly thought on Wednesday and Thursday of last week that Oregon was pushing for the league to stay together in an effort to become football-Gonzaga. Not quite a totally fair comparison as Utah keeps winning and improving it's recruiting and OSU is lined up to have a really tough team this year (and UW doesn't totally suck, maybe). But if Lanning can coach at all (still TBD) and at the level Oregon has been recruiting relative to the other 8 left, you could argue the talent gap would keep widening and the expectation would have been to win the league and automatically qualify for the playoff 2-3 out of every 4 years. Uncle Phil is obsessed with wining one in his lifetime, and at 85 years old there aren't decades left for him. And you have to get in to win.

So what changed, or was that line of thinking just wrong? I'm really curious about that. Maybe Phil, Mullens, Lanning and company are convinced that immediately being in tier 1B in the B1G was a better path forward - more money, more exposure, recruiting keeps getting better, and you'd expect 2-3 B1G teams to make it in every year. Maybe even being the best recruiting program in the Pac Whatever but with a lack of tv exposure and the funding deficit still wouldn't give you enough talent to actually win one. Or maybe they just didn't trust that Arizona would stay so jumped at the guarantee instead of the unknown.

 

[Schmeabs]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

You may be forgetting USC.

I am not talking about 24 recruiting class. Current roster blue chip ratio. For some reason I can't post a link on my phone. 247 just posted an article of top 16 teams in blue chip ratio this year with best bets to win championship. Oregon at 9, USC at 15.

 

[bigbottom]

Stanford and Cal to speak with the ACC.....

I mean, can this get any more ridiculous?

Was hoping they would stick with OSU and WSU

And have a conference of four teams?

I was hopeful Cal would win a conference championship at some point in my life

If you win a conference championship but nobody is there to see it, did it really happen?

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

I honestly thought on Wednesday and Thursday of last week that Oregon was pushing for the league to stay together in an effort to become football-Gonzaga. Not quite a totally fair comparison as Utah keeps winning and improving it's recruiting and OSU is lined up to have a really tough team this year (and UW doesn't totally suck, maybe). But if Lanning can coach at all (still TBD) and at the level Oregon has been recruiting relative to the other 8 left, you could argue the talent gap would keep widening and the expectation would have been to win the league and automatically qualify for the playoff 2-3 out of every 4 years. Uncle Phil is obsessed with wining one in his lifetime, and at 85 years old there aren't decades left for him. And you have to get in to win.

So what changed, or was that line of thinking just wrong? I'm really curious about that. Maybe Phil, Mullens, Lanning and company are convinced that immediately being in tier 1B in the B1G was a better path forward - more money, more exposure, recruiting keeps getting better, and you'd expect 2-3 B1G teams to make it in every year. Maybe even being the best recruiting program in the Pac Whatever but with a lack of tv exposure and the funding deficit still wouldn't give you enough talent to actually win one. Or maybe they just didn't trust that Arizona would stay so jumped at the guarantee instead of the unknown.

I’d imagine all of those things were at play to some degree. And I’d put them in general categories of money and long term viability.

 

[Schmeabs]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

You may be forgetting USC.

Actually, you’re not. They’ve dropped. But I think their class will be ahead of Oregon by December.

Oregon just flipped a 4 star DB from USC. Rumors are the coaches at USC told recruits Oregon had no chance to get in to B1G. That backfired.

 

[bigbottom]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

You may be forgetting USC.

Actually, you’re not. They’ve dropped. But I think their class will be ahead of Oregon by December.

Oregon just flipped a 4 star DB from USC. Rumors are the coaches at USC told recruits Oregon had no chance to get in to B1G. That backfired.

Yeah, Dakota Fields. That’s a great get for Oregon and a big loss for USC. We’ll see how it all shakes out. But I’d also mention the transfer portal is also in play. While USC recruiting was #9 or so last year, looking at HS recruits + transfer portal, they were the top class in the nation.

 

[SFBayDuck]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

You may be forgetting USC.

I am not talking about 24 recruiting class. Current roster blue chip ratio. For some reason I can't post a link on my phone. 247 just posted an article of top 16 teams in blue chip ratio this year with best bets to win championship. Oregon at 9, USC at 15.

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

You may be forgetting USC.

Actually, you’re not. They’ve dropped. But I think their class will be ahead of Oregon by December.

Oregon just flipped a 4 star DB from USC. Rumors are the coaches at USC told recruits Oregon had no chance to get in to B1G. That backfired.

Yeah, Dakota Fields. That’s a great get for Oregon and a big loss for USC. We’ll see how it all shakes out. But I’d also mention the transfer portal is also in play. While USC recruiting was #9 or so last year, looking at HS recruits + transfer portal, they were the top class in the nation.

Here's the graphic on the Blue Chip Ratio from the last four years (and the full article). Without transfers Oregon is at #9 and SC at #15. Including transfers, Oregon slips a spot to #10 and USC is still at #15.

Now of course USC's recruiting has ramped way up with Riley, so this list may look a bit different in a couple of years.

 

[bigbottom]

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

You may be forgetting USC.

I am not talking about 24 recruiting class. Current roster blue chip ratio. For some reason I can't post a link on my phone. 247 just posted an article of top 16 teams in blue chip ratio this year with best bets to win championship. Oregon at 9, USC at 15.

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

Arizona was headed to the Big 12 regardless, them trying to make Oregon and Washington the bad guys is comical.

I get your point about path to the playoffs being easier in the depleted PAC but that isn't the goal. The money earned in the B1G and recruiting because of it will hopefully allow them to compete for a national championship. From a strickly blue chip ratio Oregon only behind Ohio State now. Michigan and Oenn State I believe are just below, could be wrong here. Similiar.

You may be forgetting USC.

Actually, you’re not. They’ve dropped. But I think their class will be ahead of Oregon by December.

Oregon just flipped a 4 star DB from USC. Rumors are the coaches at USC told recruits Oregon had no chance to get in to B1G. That backfired.

Yeah, Dakota Fields. That’s a great get for Oregon and a big loss for USC. We’ll see how it all shakes out. But I’d also mention the transfer portal is also in play. While USC recruiting was #9 or so last year, looking at HS recruits + transfer portal, they were the top class in the nation.

Here's the graphic on the Blue Chip Ratio from the last four years (and the full article). Without transfers Oregon is at #9 and SC at #15. Including transfers, Oregon slips a spot to #10 and USC is still at #15.

Now of course USC's recruiting has ramped way up with Riley, so this list may look a bit different in a couple of years.

Oh yeah. This era of USC started only a year ago.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Stanford and Cal to speak with the ACC.....

I mean, can this get any more ridiculous?

I know geography went out the window a while ago but a couple of schools literally on the Pacific Coast playing in the Atlantic Coast Conference would just be something else.

 

[facook]

Surely they can fit Wazzu and Oregon State in the Big 12.

I am not sure there is any room left in the Big 12 with the addition of TCU freshman, Brione Ramsey-Brooks.

I mean, if I trust anyone's word on planets, it's Galileo.

 

[Yo Mama]

I dunno....let's see what the ACC does next. Have a feeling the roller coaster ride is far from over.

Just thinking out loud:

Could end up having a quasi-academic conference if:

1) Fla St and Clemson leave the ACC
2) Cal and Stanford join the ACC
3) Maybe the ACC adds improving program Tulane
4) Rice would be a logical add for academics ... but for football?

So with that ... you'd have the Research Triangle schools (UNC, NC State, Duke), Ga Tech, U Va, Stanford, Cal, & Tulane. Plus whatever else remains of the ACC.

I guess Notre Dame never wants to wrap both arms around football conference membership ... but such a league would be a good fit for them.

Coastal Elite 12

 

[The Dreaded Marco]

Stanford and Cal to speak with the ACC.....

I mean, can this get any more ridiculous?

Was hoping they would stick with OSU and WSU

And have a conference of four teams?

I was hopeful Cal would win a conference championship at some point in my life

If you win a conference championship but nobody is there to see it, did it really happen?

I think the schools who joined the B1G will regret it. F em

What should they have done, in your opinion?

If Oregon stayed it sounds like they would have been making 30M a year and would be a constant playoff contender in the diluted Pac which would have an auto bid for their champ. Is that better than making 60-70 and likely never making the playoff in the Big?

I’m not judging I’m asking. Fsu likely has to leave their crap conference because every school around them will be making 60-70 a year. I’m not sure that’s a problem for Oregon. In fact it seems like Oregon may have had a recruiting selling point telling families all their games would be on the west coast.

With the 12 team playoff Oregon will be making the playoffs plenty enough in the B1G

I highly doubt it. Major step up in competition.

12 teams, 12 teams. Big factor here. Oregon will immediately be in that 2nd tier behind Ohio State.

If you go back to the start of the CFB playoff in 2014 and looked at the CFP committee final top-12, Oregon would have qualified twice. And now they are in a significantly harder conference, traveling across the country more.

It’s really kind of indisputable to state they would have been way better off staying in the Pac, if the playoffs are the goal.

The playoffs aren’t the goal.

But that’s what we were discussing.


Also, what’s the goal? Not like the lights were in danger of being turned off.

Money and long term viability. Same as every other team that left the Pac 12.

But Oregon and UW effectively made the decision to end the Pac. Utah etc had to run to the Big 12 because of fhat. They were all expecting to stay in the Pac when they woke up Friday. Oregon couldn’t have competed and been viable running a power 5 conference with an auto bid every year?

What’s the money and viability giving you if you can’t compete for a title and are getting the brakes beat off you in Iowa in November?

I honestly thought on Wednesday and Thursday of last week that Oregon was pushing for the league to stay together in an effort to become football-Gonzaga. Not quite a totally fair comparison as Utah keeps winning and improving its recruiting and OSU is lined up to have a really tough team this year (and UW doesn't totally suck, maybe). But if Lanning can coach at all (still TBD) and at the level Oregon has been recruiting relative to the other 8 left, you could argue the talent gap would keep widening and the expectation would have been to win the league and automatically qualify for the playoff 2-3 out of every 4 years. Uncle Phil is obsessed with wining one in his lifetime, and at 85 years old there aren't decades left for him. And you have to get in to win.

So what changed, or was that line of thinking just wrong? I'm really curious about that. Maybe Phil, Mullens, Lanning and company are convinced that immediately being in tier 1B in the B1G was a better path forward - more money, more exposure, recruiting keeps getting better, and you'd expect 2-3 B1G teams to make it in every year. Maybe even being the best recruiting program in the Pac Whatever but with a lack of tv exposure and the funding deficit still wouldn't give you enough talent to actually win one. Or maybe they just didn't trust that Arizona would stay so jumped at the guarantee instead of the unknown.

 

[QuizGuy66]

FrankTheTank111 on Twitter with some interesting bits as I catch up a little.

Caveat - of course it is all stupid but when the terms of the situation are stupid then stupid things are apt to happen...

1) apparently the way the ESPN/ACC 700-year long contract works is than ACC Network gets on basic cable carriage in ACC member states and the dollars that go with that. That is not just the Bay Area - it's the whole entire state. That is about a 40% increase in carriage. It also shows why SMU is in the convoy too for the ACC - Texas add another 24%. (while we are in the neighborhood Oregon adds 4% and Washington adds like 7 or 8% - which would explain the talk not being focused on all 4).

2) I was wrong in terms of GOR getting broken/escapable with expansion. Because rule 1 of ACC expansion club is the new schools have to sign the GOR as step 1- sorry FSU

-QG

 

[culdeus]

FrankTheTank111 on Twitter with some interesting bits as I catch up a little.

Caveat - of course it is all stupid but when the terms of the situation are stupid then stupid things are apt to happen...

1) apparently the way the ESPN/ACC 700-year long contract works is than ACC Network gets on basic cable carriage in ACC member states and the dollars that go with that. That is not just the Bay Area - it's the whole entire state. That is about a 40% increase in carriage. It also shows why SMU is in the convoy too for the ACC - Texas add another 24%. (while we are in the neighborhood Oregon adds 4% and Washington adds like 7 or 8% - which would explain the talk not being focused on all 4).

2) I was wrong in terms of GOR getting broken/escapable with expansion. Because rule 1 of ACC expansion club is the new schools have to sign the GOR as step 1- sorry FSU

-QG

Because you add smu and the whole state now watches the acc network? Almost like ESPN isn't all that smart.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Because you add smu and the whole state now watches the acc network? Almost like ESPN isn't all that smart.

Watches the ACC Network? Naaah. Receives the ACC Network? Yes.

Do I get why it got set up this way? Not quite but it was like a 20-year deal or whatever. When it was signed was the concept of those states going into the ACC even plausible? But it also might just mean that ESPN snookered the cable companies in the rights language between ACC states and non-ACC states.

The PAC-12 Network was an albatross to that conference because they botched distribution.

-QG

 

[Capella]

2) I was wrong in terms of GOR getting broken/escapable with expansion. Because rule 1 of ACC expansion club is the new schools have to sign the GOR as step 1- sorry FSU

No real fsu reporter has said this is a thing. Fsu isn’t going to get some lucky out on the GOR, they are just going to run through it and see what happens, leeroy Jenkins style. They don’t care anymore.

 

[bigbottom]

On the (at the time) yet to be obtained media rights deal, PAC-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff said this on July 21st:

“The longer we wait, the better our options get, and I think the board realizes that.”

Ouch.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

2) I was wrong in terms of GOR getting broken/escapable with expansion. Because rule 1 of ACC expansion club is the new schools have to sign the GOR as step 1- sorry FSU

No real fsu reporter has said this is a thing. Fsu isn’t going to get some lucky out on the GOR, they are just going to run through it and see what happens, leeroy Jenkins style. They don’t care anymore.

Do you think the ACC is going to disintegrate like the PAC-12? If someone had asked me two weeks ago, I would have said "no way". I'm not so sure now.

 

[Capella]

2) I was wrong in terms of GOR getting broken/escapable with expansion. Because rule 1 of ACC expansion club is the new schools have to sign the GOR as step 1- sorry FSU

No real fsu reporter has said this is a thing. Fsu isn’t going to get some lucky out on the GOR, they are just going to run through it and see what happens, leeroy Jenkins style. They don’t care anymore.

Do you think the ACC is going to disintegrate like the PAC-12? If someone had asked me two weeks ago, I would have said "no way". I'm not so sure now.

No, mainly because schools like Wake and Syracuse and BC etc have nowhere else to go. Big 12 isn’t taking those guys. I expect 4-5 will leave and the others will stitch it together with maybe the California teams and whatever is left of the AAC that people would want. SMU etc. Maybe UConn for hoops.

They may have to take a reduction in their espn payout but maybe not if they backfill well.

 

[Doug B]

No, mainly because schools like Wake and Syracuse and BC etc have nowhere else to go. Big 12 isn’t taking those guys.

In retrospect, you have to think West Virginia says a prayer every night thanking God that they got invited into the Big XII when they did. Probably wouldn't happen today.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

FrankTheTank111 on Twitter with some interesting bits as I catch up a little.

Caveat - of course it is all stupid but when the terms of the situation are stupid then stupid things are apt to happen...

1) apparently the way the ESPN/ACC 700-year long contract works is than ACC Network gets on basic cable carriage in ACC member states and the dollars that go with that. That is not just the Bay Area - it's the whole entire state. That is about a 40% increase in carriage. It also shows why SMU is in the convoy too for the ACC - Texas add another 24%. (while we are in the neighborhood Oregon adds 4% and Washington adds like 7 or 8% - which would explain the talk not being focused on all 4).

2) I was wrong in terms of GOR getting broken/escapable with expansion. Because rule 1 of ACC expansion club is the new schools have to sign the GOR as step 1- sorry FSU

-QG

Because you add smu and the whole state now watches the acc network? Almost like ESPN isn't all that smart.

Do you think the whole metro NY area watches Rutgers football? Do you think the B1G makes a **** load of money off their network in NY?

 

[culdeus]

FrankTheTank111 on Twitter with some interesting bits as I catch up a little.

Caveat - of course it is all stupid but when the terms of the situation are stupid then stupid things are apt to happen...

1) apparently the way the ESPN/ACC 700-year long contract works is than ACC Network gets on basic cable carriage in ACC member states and the dollars that go with that. That is not just the Bay Area - it's the whole entire state. That is about a 40% increase in carriage. It also shows why SMU is in the convoy too for the ACC - Texas add another 24%. (while we are in the neighborhood Oregon adds 4% and Washington adds like 7 or 8% - which would explain the talk not being focused on all 4).

2) I was wrong in terms of GOR getting broken/escapable with expansion. Because rule 1 of ACC expansion club is the new schools have to sign the GOR as step 1- sorry FSU

-QG

Because you add smu and the whole state now watches the acc network? Almost like ESPN isn't all that smart.

Do you think the whole metro NY area watches Rutgers football? Do you think the B1G makes a **** load of money off their network in NY?

No. They don't. And the ratings and cable eyes barely budged with them in it. The whole "x market is so valuable" thing is ******** too in a streaming world.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Can’t wait until Big Ten divisions are gone. That might have been the worst team split in history.

 

[Doug B]

Do you think the whole metro NY area watches Rutgers football? Do you think the B1G makes a **** load of money off their network in NY?

Asking because I don't know:

Is the money-driving metric specifically "ratings"? Or is something more like "television households"?

Something else: I know northern New Jersey, for a lot of demographic purposes, is folded into the overall NYC metro area. But: the overall state of New Jersey has about 9.3 million people, and I would eyeball it that at least 5.5-6.0 million** are in the northern half of the state. Even with zero NYC-based viewers, that's a lot of eyeballs. Even if "no one in NJ cares about Rutgers football!" ... I bet they still get 800,000 to 1,000,000 viewers just in NJ itself. Maybe more.

** EDIT -- It's more like 6.4 - 7.0 million, depending on where you put Ocean and Warren counties. Exclude both, and you're still over 6 million.

 

[QuizGuy66]

The conference gets paid by the number of households it gets plugged into.


As of 3 years ago it looks like it 67 cents per connection per month.

In searching for this figure found an interesting article that gets into cost per viewer - ACC number is high on this metric - that is a lot of people have it baked into their cable bill that don't watch.

Carriage fee article

With cable subscription numbers dropping in some ways it is a band-aid. But if that band-aid raises dollars per school for the existing ACC schools it is one they'll apply.

Now from a cut throat perspective the ACC only needs 1 California school to get those connections. And that also cuts down the travel for those existing ACC schools. So that becomes the squeeze on those schools if they both want in. Or does Stanford stick it to Cal?

Supposedly SMU is willing to forego rights for a number of years maybe they have the booster base that will cover that difference for them to be back in one of the majors.

-QG

 

[The Commish]

FrankTheTank111 on Twitter with some interesting bits as I catch up a little.

Caveat - of course it is all stupid but when the terms of the situation are stupid then stupid things are apt to happen...

1) apparently the way the ESPN/ACC 700-year long contract works is than ACC Network gets on basic cable carriage in ACC member states and the dollars that go with that. That is not just the Bay Area - it's the whole entire state. That is about a 40% increase in carriage. It also shows why SMU is in the convoy too for the ACC - Texas add another 24%. (while we are in the neighborhood Oregon adds 4% and Washington adds like 7 or 8% - which would explain the talk not being focused on all 4).

2) I was wrong in terms of GOR getting broken/escapable with expansion. Because rule 1 of ACC expansion club is the new schools have to sign the GOR as step 1- sorry FSU

-QG

Because you add smu and the whole state now watches the acc network? Almost like ESPN isn't all that smart.

If I'm reading what QG posted correctly, it's because the way the contracts are written with the cable companies (assuming that is between the networks and the cable companies...not 100% sure though) is that once an ACC school is in a state, the ACC automatically gets put on basic cable packages in that state. So if the ACC can grab SMU, they automatically get put on the cable networks in Texas and then get the $1 a customer per month (or whatever the price is) by default. So if there are 25M people in the state of Texas subscribing to one of the cable companies who negotiated that deal, the ACC would be getting 25M in revenue by default. Not a single one of those people has to turn on or watch the ACC network...their bill is going up. That seems a little wild, but would obviously be a reason to try and get SMU.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Do you think the whole metro NY area watches Rutgers football? Do you think the B1G makes a **** load of money off their network in NY?

Asking because I don't know:

Is the money-driving metric specifically "ratings"? Or is something more like "television households"?

Something else: I know northern New Jersey, for a lot of demographic purposes, is folded into the overall NYC metro area. But: the overall state of New Jersey has about 9.3 million people, and I would eyeball it that at least 5.5-6.0 million are in the northern half of the state. Even with zero NYC-based viewers, that's a lot of eyeballs. Even if "no one in NJ cares about Rutgers football!" ... I bet they still get 800,000 to 1,000,000 viewers just in NJ itself. Maybe more.

Actually grew up and live in Jersey. Not sure if Rutgers proper gets those kinds of eyeballs but B1G Network did move to the regular sports tier here when they joined the league. I don't think that is the case with NYC cable - or maybe it is with so with some systems not others. But the other thing is there is a huge alumni base for all other B1G schools out here in both NYC and NJ. I love that I get to see my Illini on some sort of regular basis now at the RAC or Whoever Bought The Rights Stadium in New Brunswick.

Maryland serves the similar purpose with DC alumni based - friends in high places in all that

-QG

 

[Doug B]

Supposedly SMU is willing to forego rights for a number of years maybe they have the booster base that will cover that difference for them to be back in one of the majors.

I have a secret hope that Tulane can get back into a Power 5 conference after over 50 years mostly lost in the wilderness ... but if it's going to mean forgoing rights and leaning on big boosters for a spell, it won't happen.

 

[The Commish]

Is the money-driving metric specifically "ratings"? Or is something more like "television households"?

They are after those already signed up with a cable company X that they can now charge that $1-2 a month because they have the basic cable package with company X and their channel is now part of that basic package. I don't think they think twice about how many of those people are actually using the channel.

 

[Doug B]

But the other thing is there is a huge alumni base for all other B1G schools out here in both NYC and NJ.

This is similar to when Texas A&M joined the SEC, and the bazillion LSU grads in the Houston and DFW metros started tuning in.

 

[QuizGuy66]

They are after those already signed up with a cable company X that they can now charge that $1-2 a month because they have the basic cable package with company X and their channel is now part of that basic package. I don't think they think twice about how many of those people are actually using the channel.

Thanks Commish for turning my word salad into something more readable

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Did some very very sketchy back of the envelope math. Roughly 75m cable households in the US. Roughly 20% in Cal and Texas combined (5/8ths of them in Cal)

15m times the $0.67 figure from above works out to about $10m/month or $120m/year. $75m from California, $45m from Texas.

As a thought say $20m goes to each of 3 schools incoming. $60m left for the other 14, or about $4.2m per school each increase.

But ... -QG like a dope assumed ESPN is running a charity and is taking none of that ACC Network carriage money. Chopping those numbers in half and things get sketchier.

But those seem like the numbers thrown in the soup - and the margins getting hammered out when they negotiate. The intangible benefits for the ACC a small factor - some self-preservation coming with adding schools.

But yeah a hammer and tong kind of negotiation. And does SD State come into the picture at all - even if it is just as a bargaining tool the ACC uses against Cal and Stanford vs a real threat. I mean why not add to the silliness.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Good deep view on where things may go with ACC. If you want to wormhole through the whole history of these realignment shenanigans his blog archive is a wealth of info.

This thread also explains why Yormark has interest in basketball schools like UConn. If down the line at the end of the decade the ACC and Big XII are in a tug of war that may be a feather in their cap. (Full disclosure btw I am no fan of Yormark as he steered my former NBA team out of NJ )

-QG

 

[Schmeabs]

I just realized we are really getting close to games starting! This is the time when we imagine everything going right for our teams. It really sucks once they lose but now we are undefeated!

 

[QuizGuy66]

Side note I didn't know - so apparently part of the ND/ACC deal for their Olympic sports is they are a full voting member.

-QG

 

[The Z Machine]

If Cal joins the ACC, I could finally see regular matchups between both universities I attended: UC Berkeley and Georgia Tech. And likely, those games would suck.

 

[culdeus]

But the other thing is there is a huge alumni base for all other B1G schools out here in both NYC and NJ.

This is similar to when Texas A&M joined the SEC, and the bazillion LSU grads in the Houston and DFW metros started tuning in.

Tuning in to what? Texas a&m games? What lsu games were not previously on TV?

 

[QuizGuy66]

But the other thing is there is a huge alumni base for all other B1G schools out here in both NYC and NJ.

This is similar to when Texas A&M joined the SEC, and the bazillion LSU grads in the Houston and DFW metros started tuning in.

Tuning in to what? Texas a&m games? What lsu games were not previously on TV?

I gather A&M being the first Texas team in the SEC got more SEC games shown there across the board.


-QG

 

[culdeus]

But the other thing is there is a huge alumni base for all other B1G schools out here in both NYC and NJ.

This is similar to when Texas A&M joined the SEC, and the bazillion LSU grads in the Houston and DFW metros started tuning in.

Tuning in to what? Texas a&m games? What lsu games were not previously on TV?

I gather A&M being the first Texas team in the SEC got more SEC games shown there across the board.


-QG

No, not really. If anything probably fewer were viewable because the way they organized the ESPN games to stay out of the way of the CBS national broadcast, and reluctance to airing 2 11am games because games were getting much longer, again for CBS. Big 12 didn't have any problem at all getting games to show in parallel and would throw their trash against the CBS game which was nice for those fans not having to do a hotel.

I don't know how the SEC changes with CBS gone.