2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (2 Viewers)

[culdeus]

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

I'm pretty sure the ACC modeled, almost identically, their GOR after the B12, no?

So when they do this how much goes in escrow? What if FSU simply doesn't pay the exit fee, goons come and break someone's legs?

 

[Tau837]

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

I'm pretty sure the ACC modeled, almost identically, their GOR after the B12, no?

Yes, they did. And no one exited the Big 12 until a year before its GOR was to expire. The ACC GOR expires in 2036. I wouldn't be disagreeing with everyone in here about this if the ACC GOR expired in 2024, but it doesn't.

Neither Texas nor Oklahoma (nor any university) ever attempted to challenge the Big 12 GOR legally. There is no legal basis to challenge, which is why it and the ACC's GOR are frequently referred to as "ironclad". Texas and Oklahoma negotiated to get out one year early. In that situation, the Big 12 was motivated to negotiate, because they were going to leave at most one year later anyway, so better to get a big payday from the negotiation.

In this case, the ACC has no reason to negotiate anytime soon, like over the next 10 years. That's what I have been saying, and most people in here want to ignore.

Here is a relevant article: Inside the Big 12's 'ironclad' grant of rights contract that helped keep the ACC together amid turbulence

 

[QuizGuy66]

Linky to Free ESPN Contest groups

Note the linked thread also has a link to the group @kupcho1 set up as well

-QG

 

[The Commish]

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

I'm pretty sure the ACC modeled, almost identically, their GOR after the B12, no?

Yes, they did. And no one exited the Big 12 until a year before its GOR was to expire. The ACC GOR expires in 2036. I wouldn't be disagreeing with everyone in here about this if the ACC GOR expired in 2024, but it doesn't.

Neither Texas nor Oklahoma (nor any university) ever attempted to challenge the Big 12 GOR legally. There is no legal basis to challenge, which is why it and the ACC's GOR are frequently referred to as "ironclad". Texas and Oklahoma negotiated to get out one year early. In that situation, the Big 12 was motivated to negotiate, because they were going to leave at most one year later anyway, so better to get a big payday from the negotiation.

In this case, the ACC has no reason to negotiate anytime soon, like over the next 10 years. That's what I have been saying, and most people in here want to ignore.

Here is a relevant article: Inside the Big 12's 'ironclad' grant of rights contract that helped keep the ACC together amid turbulence

And they didn't have it when Colorado, Nebraska etc were leaving? Seems awfully odd. I don't know....seems like the terms here are way long and a lot of money the ACC loses long term if they decide to go to battle with the networks over broadcasting rights. As I said before, I can't help but think that ESPN/ABC doesn't insist on a renegotiation of their deal if/when the heavyweights leave and the west coast teams come on board, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I can see exactly why OU and UT didn't go this route with only a year left. Doesn't make financial sense to dump that much into all the legal stuff when it was going to be resolved within the year.

 

[3C's]

WI "stole" one of our, best players, probably the best. Hope he does well there. Think he will. https://twitter.com/john_pius8/status/1734348683347718536

 

[The Commish]

These absolutes work well when other conferences and other networks aren't involved. Why would the networks forego their SOP of negotiation when a team represented by ABC and a team represented by FOX end up playing? They both have a right to air their team's game. Networks have to hammer that out.

 

[Capella]

You guys are just seemingly ignoring the legal reality. As noted, there is no reason for the ACC to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring anything. FSU will just buy their way out.

And JWB is ignoring the reality that if FOX wants FSU in the B1G, it will happen. The ACC will take their L and several million dollars and like it.

I'm not ignoring anything. The ACC holds the legal trump card. Believing FSU (or any team) will just "buy their way out" assumes things that cannot reasonably be assumed.

No offense but have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

No offense, but have you not been paying attention to the actual subject of discussion?

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

FSU can pay the exit fee and buyout the 36M a year for the grant of rights (or whatever the amount is). It will total 500M or so, and then they’ll leave. I don’t really know what you’re implying otherwise. If fsu has the funds to go they will go and the acc can’t stop it. They already have the credit lined up to pay it but didn’t want to do so since it’s such a large amount. The playoff snub changed that.

 

[Jayded]

Riley Leonard transferring to Notre Dame. Fans are split. Put me in the camp of he's the best option to win in 2024 so I like it on that front. Having two years of eligibility might be an interesting factor next offseason as our current backup who'll start the bowl game (Angeli) might now transfer, but there are two studs in waiting (incoming freshman CJ Carr & incoming HS senior Deuce Knight).

Leonard appears to be the staff's desired bridge to get us to Carr/Knight and if that's the case, this is good to great news. If it scares any of them off, I become far less of a fan of this. Big question is whether Carr thinks or felt like he was going to start next year as a true freshman and Leonard now blocks him. Bigger question is if Leonard hangs around in 2025 to improve NFL position and now Carr not only has to wait another year but also Knight would be entering the fold as competition.

 

[Tau837]

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

I'm pretty sure the ACC modeled, almost identically, their GOR after the B12, no?

Yes, they did. And no one exited the Big 12 until a year before its GOR was to expire. The ACC GOR expires in 2036. I wouldn't be disagreeing with everyone in here about this if the ACC GOR expired in 2024, but it doesn't.

Neither Texas nor Oklahoma (nor any university) ever attempted to challenge the Big 12 GOR legally. There is no legal basis to challenge, which is why it and the ACC's GOR are frequently referred to as "ironclad". Texas and Oklahoma negotiated to get out one year early. In that situation, the Big 12 was motivated to negotiate, because they were going to leave at most one year later anyway, so better to get a big payday from the negotiation.

In this case, the ACC has no reason to negotiate anytime soon, like over the next 10 years. That's what I have been saying, and most people in here want to ignore.

Here is a relevant article: Inside the Big 12's 'ironclad' grant of rights contract that helped keep the ACC together amid turbulence

And they didn't have it when Colorado, Nebraska etc were leaving? Seems awfully odd. I don't know....seems like the terms here are way long and a lot of money the ACC loses long term if they decide to go to battle with the networks over broadcasting rights. As I said before, I can't help but think that ESPN/ABC doesn't insist on a renegotiation of their deal if/when the heavyweights leave and the west coast teams come on board, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I can see exactly why OU and UT didn't go this route with only a year left. Doesn't make financial sense to dump that much into all the legal stuff when it was going to be resolved within the year.

Yes, there will be media deal renegotiations when members leave. But they can't afford to leave and give up their media rights for 10 years.

Furthermore, if FSU left and went to the B1G, why would the media companies want to renegotiate? They would be getting all of FSU's home games as part of the current contracts with the ACC, likely cheaper than renegotiating with both ACC and B1G. The media companies win in that scenario. But the B1G doesn't... they don't get to renegotiate higher media deals by adding FSU, but they have to start paying out FSU.

I could be wrong, but IMO the fundamental issue is that ACC owns the media rights through 2035 via an "ironclad" legal agreement and has no motivation to negotiate release of those rights with any entity, whether the member institutions, other conferences, or whatever.

 

[Tau837]

You guys are just seemingly ignoring the legal reality. As noted, there is no reason for the ACC to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring anything. FSU will just buy their way out.

And JWB is ignoring the reality that if FOX wants FSU in the B1G, it will happen. The ACC will take their L and several million dollars and like it.

I'm not ignoring anything. The ACC holds the legal trump card. Believing FSU (or any team) will just "buy their way out" assumes things that cannot reasonably be assumed.

No offense but have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

No offense, but have you not been paying attention to the actual subject of discussion?

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

FSU can pay the exit fee and buyout the 36M a year for the grant of rights (or whatever the amount is). It will total 500M or so, and then they’ll leave. I don’t really know what you’re implying otherwise. If fsu has the funds to go they will go and the acc can’t stop it. They already have the credit lined up to pay it but didn’t want to do so since it’s such a large amount. The playoff snub changed that.

You make an assumption that FSU can buy out the GOR. Based on what? Are you saying there is language in the GOR that puts a price on that, so it's just a matter of paying that price? I don't believe that is true. Do you have a link that substantiates that?

If you don't have a link, then I have to assume that what you really are assuming is that the ACC will negotiate release for a high enough price. But they have be willing to negotiate that, and I don't see why they would do it. Sure, it would be a big payday, but holding the line prevents the effective destruction of the ACC for 10-12 more years.

 

[Tau837]

I'm going to just stop responding on this. I could definitely be wrong, I am not an attorney. But I think most of you are making a lot of assumptions that may not prove out.

 

[The Commish]

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

I'm pretty sure the ACC modeled, almost identically, their GOR after the B12, no?

Yes, they did. And no one exited the Big 12 until a year before its GOR was to expire. The ACC GOR expires in 2036. I wouldn't be disagreeing with everyone in here about this if the ACC GOR expired in 2024, but it doesn't.

Neither Texas nor Oklahoma (nor any university) ever attempted to challenge the Big 12 GOR legally. There is no legal basis to challenge, which is why it and the ACC's GOR are frequently referred to as "ironclad". Texas and Oklahoma negotiated to get out one year early. In that situation, the Big 12 was motivated to negotiate, because they were going to leave at most one year later anyway, so better to get a big payday from the negotiation.

In this case, the ACC has no reason to negotiate anytime soon, like over the next 10 years. That's what I have been saying, and most people in here want to ignore.

Here is a relevant article: Inside the Big 12's 'ironclad' grant of rights contract that helped keep the ACC together amid turbulence

And they didn't have it when Colorado, Nebraska etc were leaving? Seems awfully odd. I don't know....seems like the terms here are way long and a lot of money the ACC loses long term if they decide to go to battle with the networks over broadcasting rights. As I said before, I can't help but think that ESPN/ABC doesn't insist on a renegotiation of their deal if/when the heavyweights leave and the west coast teams come on board, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I can see exactly why OU and UT didn't go this route with only a year left. Doesn't make financial sense to dump that much into all the legal stuff when it was going to be resolved within the year.

Yes, there will be media deal renegotiations when members leave. But they can't afford to leave and give up their media rights for 10 years.

Furthermore, if FSU left and went to the B1G, why would the media companies want to renegotiate? They would be getting all of FSU's home games as part of the current contracts with the ACC, likely cheaper than renegotiating with both ACC and B1G. The media companies win in that scenario. But the B1G doesn't... they don't get to renegotiate higher media deals by adding FSU, but they have to start paying out FSU.

I could be wrong, but IMO the fundamental issue is that ACC owns the media rights through 2035 via an "ironclad" legal agreement and has no motivation to negotiate release of those rights with any entity, whether the member institutions, other conferences, or whatever.

To the first bold: The B1G has plenty of money to supplement FSU if they choose. To the second bold, I am speaking of the networks negotiating with each other, not the conferences. Like they do every year when a team from the SEC plays a team from the B1G or a team from the ACC plays a team from the B1G etc. Networks always work with each other to show those sorts of games and the last thing the ACC will want to do is have their "ACC Network" competing with FOX national broadcast etc. It WILL be negotiated and they are usually negotiated at a discount so both sides are happy. Guess who the discount is passed on to.

Four relationships have to be considered here. The one between the ACC and FSU, one between FSU and their new conference, one between the ACC and the networks and the one between the networks. You seem to be purely focused on the relationship between the ACC and FSU. That's 25% of the profitability equation.

 

[Tau837]

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

I'm pretty sure the ACC modeled, almost identically, their GOR after the B12, no?

Yes, they did. And no one exited the Big 12 until a year before its GOR was to expire. The ACC GOR expires in 2036. I wouldn't be disagreeing with everyone in here about this if the ACC GOR expired in 2024, but it doesn't.

Neither Texas nor Oklahoma (nor any university) ever attempted to challenge the Big 12 GOR legally. There is no legal basis to challenge, which is why it and the ACC's GOR are frequently referred to as "ironclad". Texas and Oklahoma negotiated to get out one year early. In that situation, the Big 12 was motivated to negotiate, because they were going to leave at most one year later anyway, so better to get a big payday from the negotiation.

In this case, the ACC has no reason to negotiate anytime soon, like over the next 10 years. That's what I have been saying, and most people in here want to ignore.

Here is a relevant article: Inside the Big 12's 'ironclad' grant of rights contract that helped keep the ACC together amid turbulence

And they didn't have it when Colorado, Nebraska etc were leaving? Seems awfully odd. I don't know....seems like the terms here are way long and a lot of money the ACC loses long term if they decide to go to battle with the networks over broadcasting rights. As I said before, I can't help but think that ESPN/ABC doesn't insist on a renegotiation of their deal if/when the heavyweights leave and the west coast teams come on board, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I can see exactly why OU and UT didn't go this route with only a year left. Doesn't make financial sense to dump that much into all the legal stuff when it was going to be resolved within the year.

Yes, there will be media deal renegotiations when members leave. But they can't afford to leave and give up their media rights for 10 years.

Furthermore, if FSU left and went to the B1G, why would the media companies want to renegotiate? They would be getting all of FSU's home games as part of the current contracts with the ACC, likely cheaper than renegotiating with both ACC and B1G. The media companies win in that scenario. But the B1G doesn't... they don't get to renegotiate higher media deals by adding FSU, but they have to start paying out FSU.

I could be wrong, but IMO the fundamental issue is that ACC owns the media rights through 2035 via an "ironclad" legal agreement and has no motivation to negotiate release of those rights with any entity, whether the member institutions, other conferences, or whatever.

To the first bold: The B1G has plenty of money to supplement FSU if they choose. To the second bold, I am speaking of the networks negotiating with each other, not the conferences. Like they do every year when a team from the SEC plays a team from the B1G or a team from the ACC plays a team from the B1G etc. Networks always work with each other to show those sorts of games and the last thing the ACC will want to do is have their "ACC Network" competing with FOX national broadcast etc. It WILL be negotiated and they are usually negotiated at a discount so both sides are happy. Guess who the discount is passed on to.

Four relationships have to be considered here. The one between the ACC and FSU, one between FSU and their new conference, one between the ACC and the networks and the one between the networks. You seem to be purely focused on the relationship between the ACC and FSU. That's 25% of the profitability equation.

We will see.

 

[AAABatteries]

What is the rush to leave for FSU? I think the injured QB had more to do with them being left out than anything. They seem setup to dominate the ACC for years and will be in the playoffs every year for a while. They could easily be in the 4-5 range in the B1G or SEC.

 

[The Commish]

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

I'm pretty sure the ACC modeled, almost identically, their GOR after the B12, no?

Yes, they did. And no one exited the Big 12 until a year before its GOR was to expire. The ACC GOR expires in 2036. I wouldn't be disagreeing with everyone in here about this if the ACC GOR expired in 2024, but it doesn't.

Neither Texas nor Oklahoma (nor any university) ever attempted to challenge the Big 12 GOR legally. There is no legal basis to challenge, which is why it and the ACC's GOR are frequently referred to as "ironclad". Texas and Oklahoma negotiated to get out one year early. In that situation, the Big 12 was motivated to negotiate, because they were going to leave at most one year later anyway, so better to get a big payday from the negotiation.

In this case, the ACC has no reason to negotiate anytime soon, like over the next 10 years. That's what I have been saying, and most people in here want to ignore.

Here is a relevant article: Inside the Big 12's 'ironclad' grant of rights contract that helped keep the ACC together amid turbulence

And they didn't have it when Colorado, Nebraska etc were leaving? Seems awfully odd. I don't know....seems like the terms here are way long and a lot of money the ACC loses long term if they decide to go to battle with the networks over broadcasting rights. As I said before, I can't help but think that ESPN/ABC doesn't insist on a renegotiation of their deal if/when the heavyweights leave and the west coast teams come on board, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I can see exactly why OU and UT didn't go this route with only a year left. Doesn't make financial sense to dump that much into all the legal stuff when it was going to be resolved within the year.

Yes, there will be media deal renegotiations when members leave. But they can't afford to leave and give up their media rights for 10 years.

Furthermore, if FSU left and went to the B1G, why would the media companies want to renegotiate? They would be getting all of FSU's home games as part of the current contracts with the ACC, likely cheaper than renegotiating with both ACC and B1G. The media companies win in that scenario. But the B1G doesn't... they don't get to renegotiate higher media deals by adding FSU, but they have to start paying out FSU.

I could be wrong, but IMO the fundamental issue is that ACC owns the media rights through 2035 via an "ironclad" legal agreement and has no motivation to negotiate release of those rights with any entity, whether the member institutions, other conferences, or whatever.

To the first bold: The B1G has plenty of money to supplement FSU if they choose. To the second bold, I am speaking of the networks negotiating with each other, not the conferences. Like they do every year when a team from the SEC plays a team from the B1G or a team from the ACC plays a team from the B1G etc. Networks always work with each other to show those sorts of games and the last thing the ACC will want to do is have their "ACC Network" competing with FOX national broadcast etc. It WILL be negotiated and they are usually negotiated at a discount so both sides are happy. Guess who the discount is passed on to.

Four relationships have to be considered here. The one between the ACC and FSU, one between FSU and their new conference, one between the ACC and the networks and the one between the networks. You seem to be purely focused on the relationship between the ACC and FSU. That's 25% of the profitability equation.

We will see.

Yup.....tons of gray to sort through here.

 

[The Commish]

What is the rush to leave for FSU? I think the injured QB had more to do with them being left out than anything. They seem setup to dominate the ACC for years and will be in the playoffs every year for a while. They could easily be in the 4-5 range in the B1G or SEC.

In a word....money. A lot of it

 

[AAABatteries]

What is the rush to leave for FSU? I think the injured QB had more to do with them being left out than anything. They seem setup to dominate the ACC for years and will be in the playoffs every year for a while. They could easily be in the 4-5 range in the B1G or SEC.

In a word....money. A lot of it

That’s what I assume and it’s why people think all of this is stupid. If I’m a FSU fan I’m not sure I’d be sold on this move - felt the same with Texas and Oklahoma

 

[Tom Servo]

Just gonna throw this out there… “ironclad” is not a legal term. Also, just because an exit from the GoR has never been done doesn’t mean it wouldn’t/couldn’t be challenged.

In the end, IMO, the ACC will be backed into a corner. Why hold FSU in when they don’t want to be there and have Scrooge McDuck money at their disposal. Everything is negotiable - the only point of contention is the price.

 

[Tau837]

Just gonna throw this out there… “ironclad” is not a legal term. Also, just because an exit from the GoR has never been done doesn’t mean it wouldn’t/couldn’t be challenged.

In the end, IMO, the ACC will be backed into a corner. Why hold FSU in when they don’t want to be there and have Scrooge McDuck money at their disposal. Everything is negotiable - the only point of contention is the price.

Sure, they will probably let them out for $1B. Maybe $900M. How does that sound?

As for your "ironclad" comment, universities have been looking at this critically to see if they could win a challenge for years. Yet no one has challenged. You don't take anything from that?

Again, we'll see.

 

[Tom Servo]

Just gonna throw this out there… “ironclad” is not a legal term. Also, just because an exit from the GoR has never been done doesn’t mean it wouldn’t/couldn’t be challenged.

In the end, IMO, the ACC will be backed into a corner. Why hold FSU in when they don’t want to be there and have Scrooge McDuck money at their disposal. Everything is negotiable - the only point of contention is the price.

Sure, they will probably let them out for $1B. Maybe $900M. How does that sound?

As for your "ironclad" comment, universities have been looking at this critically to see if they could win a challenge for years. Yet no one has challenged. You don't take anything from that?

Again, we'll see.

You’re asking me to try and prove a negative. The lack of challenge <> “ironclad”. By your logic, landing men on Mars can’t be done because it hasn’t been done yet.
All a lack of challenge means is that no one has tried it yet. The ACC may be “right”, but if ESPN and FOX tell them to stand down or else, they will stand down, take their money and their L and get down on their bony knees and thank God people continue to consider them relevant in football.

 

[Tau837]

Just gonna throw this out there… “ironclad” is not a legal term. Also, just because an exit from the GoR has never been done doesn’t mean it wouldn’t/couldn’t be challenged.

In the end, IMO, the ACC will be backed into a corner. Why hold FSU in when they don’t want to be there and have Scrooge McDuck money at their disposal. Everything is negotiable - the only point of contention is the price.

Sure, they will probably let them out for $1B. Maybe $900M. How does that sound?

As for your "ironclad" comment, universities have been looking at this critically to see if they could win a challenge for years. Yet no one has challenged. You don't take anything from that?

Again, we'll see.

You’re asking me to try and prove a negative. The lack of challenge <> “ironclad”. By your logic, landing men on Mars can’t be done because it hasn’t been done yet.
All a lack of challenge means is that no one has tried it yet. The ACC may be “right”, but if ESPN and FOX tell them to stand down or else, they will stand down, take their money and their L and get down on their bony knees and thank God people continue to consider them relevant in football.

AGAIN... we'll see.

 

[Tom Servo]

Just gonna throw this out there… “ironclad” is not a legal term. Also, just because an exit from the GoR has never been done doesn’t mean it wouldn’t/couldn’t be challenged.

In the end, IMO, the ACC will be backed into a corner. Why hold FSU in when they don’t want to be there and have Scrooge McDuck money at their disposal. Everything is negotiable - the only point of contention is the price.

Sure, they will probably let them out for $1B. Maybe $900M. How does that sound?

As for your "ironclad" comment, universities have been looking at this critically to see if they could win a challenge for years. Yet no one has challenged. You don't take anything from that?

Again, we'll see.

You’re asking me to try and prove a negative. The lack of challenge <> “ironclad”. By your logic, landing men on Mars can’t be done because it hasn’t been done yet.
All a lack of challenge means is that no one has tried it yet. The ACC may be “right”, but if ESPN and FOX tell them to stand down or else, they will stand down, take their money and their L and get down on their bony knees and thank God people continue to consider them relevant in football.

AGAIN... we'll see.

I’m not saying it will or won’t happen; I’m disagreeing with you saying/implying it can’t/won’t.

 

[Tau837]

Just gonna throw this out there… “ironclad” is not a legal term. Also, just because an exit from the GoR has never been done doesn’t mean it wouldn’t/couldn’t be challenged.

In the end, IMO, the ACC will be backed into a corner. Why hold FSU in when they don’t want to be there and have Scrooge McDuck money at their disposal. Everything is negotiable - the only point of contention is the price.

Sure, they will probably let them out for $1B. Maybe $900M. How does that sound?

As for your "ironclad" comment, universities have been looking at this critically to see if they could win a challenge for years. Yet no one has challenged. You don't take anything from that?

Again, we'll see.

You’re asking me to try and prove a negative. The lack of challenge <> “ironclad”. By your logic, landing men on Mars can’t be done because it hasn’t been done yet.
All a lack of challenge means is that no one has tried it yet. The ACC may be “right”, but if ESPN and FOX tell them to stand down or else, they will stand down, take their money and their L and get down on their bony knees and thank God people continue to consider them relevant in football.

AGAIN... we'll see.

I’m not saying it will or won’t happen; I’m disagreeing with you saying/implying it can’t/won’t.

Right. And we'll see which one of us is right. If it happens, I'm wrong. If it doesn't, I'm comfortable saying I'm right, since we all believe there are teams that want to leave.

 

[culdeus]

Just gonna throw this out there… “ironclad” is not a legal term. Also, just because an exit from the GoR has never been done doesn’t mean it wouldn’t/couldn’t be challenged.

In the end, IMO, the ACC will be backed into a corner. Why hold FSU in when they don’t want to be there and have Scrooge McDuck money at their disposal. Everything is negotiable - the only point of contention is the price.

Sure, they will probably let them out for $1B. Maybe $900M. How does that sound?

As for your "ironclad" comment, universities have been looking at this critically to see if they could win a challenge for years. Yet no one has challenged. You don't take anything from that?

Again, we'll see.

Challenge could be from Oregon State perspective. Why should they hold to an agreement that could leave them bag holding?

 

[The Commish]

What is the rush to leave for FSU? I think the injured QB had more to do with them being left out than anything. They seem setup to dominate the ACC for years and will be in the playoffs every year for a while. They could easily be in the 4-5 range in the B1G or SEC.

In a word....money. A lot of it

That’s what I assume and it’s why people think all of this is stupid. If I’m a FSU fan I’m not sure I’d be sold on this move - felt the same with Texas and Oklahoma

If they move, they'll be fine, especially in the new system. They're still in very fertile recruiting lands. They have access to more immediate talent than anyone in the B1G. When you can over double your access to money in the move (counting both CFB and research), it's kinda dumb not to do it.

 

[The Commish]

BTW, this is all a lot easier if they move to the SEC. It becomes inner workings and shifting money around at ABC/ESPN. Where the ACC doesn't want FSU to go is the B1G. That's pretty much a guaranteed loss of television revenue when the networks begin negotiating TV coverage between the two conferences (if the ACC doesn't let FSU have it's rights back)

 

[Capella]

You guys are just seemingly ignoring the legal reality. As noted, there is no reason for the ACC to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring anything. FSU will just buy their way out.

And JWB is ignoring the reality that if FOX wants FSU in the B1G, it will happen. The ACC will take their L and several million dollars and like it.

I'm not ignoring anything. The ACC holds the legal trump card. Believing FSU (or any team) will just "buy their way out" assumes things that cannot reasonably be assumed.

No offense but have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

No offense, but have you not been paying attention to the actual subject of discussion?

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

FSU can pay the exit fee and buyout the 36M a year for the grant of rights (or whatever the amount is). It will total 500M or so, and then they’ll leave. I don’t really know what you’re implying otherwise. If fsu has the funds to go they will go and the acc can’t stop it. They already have the credit lined up to pay it but didn’t want to do so since it’s such a large amount. The playoff snub changed that.

You make an assumption that FSU can buy out the GOR. Based on what? Are you saying there is language in the GOR that puts a price on that, so it's just a matter of paying that price? I don't believe that is true. Do you have a link that substantiates that?

If you don't have a link, then I have to assume that what you really are assuming is that the ACC will negotiate release for a high enough price. But they have be willing to negotiate that, and I don't see why they would do it. Sure, it would be a big payday, but holding the line prevents the effective destruction of the ACC for 10-12 more years.

The price is FSU’s cut of the media rights annually which is projected to be between 36-41M a year and then the exit fee which is a 120ish.

Yes fsu has the line of credit from some outsider available. I have a family member who is a big booster there (believe it if you want, don’t care either way) and he’s been told there is also a line of credit from the big ten on the table. The Big offer is 100% on the table and they’re just trying to make it all work. He thinks it’ll be late January but nobody really knows for sure yet.

The Big wants fsu and into Florida (and apparently unc) and fsu wants away from the acc and espn. Right or not they feel jilted and the relationship is over. Both parties are motivated to make this happen.

 

[Tau837]

You guys are just seemingly ignoring the legal reality. As noted, there is no reason for the ACC to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring anything. FSU will just buy their way out.

And JWB is ignoring the reality that if FOX wants FSU in the B1G, it will happen. The ACC will take their L and several million dollars and like it.

I'm not ignoring anything. The ACC holds the legal trump card. Believing FSU (or any team) will just "buy their way out" assumes things that cannot reasonably be assumed.

No offense but have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

No offense, but have you not been paying attention to the actual subject of discussion?

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

FSU can pay the exit fee and buyout the 36M a year for the grant of rights (or whatever the amount is). It will total 500M or so, and then they’ll leave. I don’t really know what you’re implying otherwise. If fsu has the funds to go they will go and the acc can’t stop it. They already have the credit lined up to pay it but didn’t want to do so since it’s such a large amount. The playoff snub changed that.

You make an assumption that FSU can buy out the GOR. Based on what? Are you saying there is language in the GOR that puts a price on that, so it's just a matter of paying that price? I don't believe that is true. Do you have a link that substantiates that?

If you don't have a link, then I have to assume that what you really are assuming is that the ACC will negotiate release for a high enough price. But they have be willing to negotiate that, and I don't see why they would do it. Sure, it would be a big payday, but holding the line prevents the effective destruction of the ACC for 10-12 more years.

The price is FSU’s cut of the media rights annually which is projected to be between 36-41M a year and then the exit fee which is a 120ish.

Yes fsu has the line of credit from some outsider available. I have a family member who is a big booster there (believe it if you want, don’t care either way) and he’s been told there is also a line of credit from the big ten on the table. The Big offer is 100% on the table and they’re just trying to make it all work. He thinks it’ll be late January but nobody really knows for sure yet.

The Big wants fsu and into Florida (and apparently unc) and fsu wants away from the acc and espn. Right or not they feel jilted and the relationship is over. Both parties are motivated to make this happen.

OK. Well, you will be proven right if FSU pays hundreds of millions to get out over the next few months. If not, I guess you won't.

We'll see.

 

[Capella]

You guys are just seemingly ignoring the legal reality. As noted, there is no reason for the ACC to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring anything. FSU will just buy their way out.

And JWB is ignoring the reality that if FOX wants FSU in the B1G, it will happen. The ACC will take their L and several million dollars and like it.

I'm not ignoring anything. The ACC holds the legal trump card. Believing FSU (or any team) will just "buy their way out" assumes things that cannot reasonably be assumed.

No offense but have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

No offense, but have you not been paying attention to the actual subject of discussion?

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

FSU can pay the exit fee and buyout the 36M a year for the grant of rights (or whatever the amount is). It will total 500M or so, and then they’ll leave. I don’t really know what you’re implying otherwise. If fsu has the funds to go they will go and the acc can’t stop it. They already have the credit lined up to pay it but didn’t want to do so since it’s such a large amount. The playoff snub changed that.

You make an assumption that FSU can buy out the GOR. Based on what? Are you saying there is language in the GOR that puts a price on that, so it's just a matter of paying that price? I don't believe that is true. Do you have a link that substantiates that?

If you don't have a link, then I have to assume that what you really are assuming is that the ACC will negotiate release for a high enough price. But they have be willing to negotiate that, and I don't see why they would do it. Sure, it would be a big payday, but holding the line prevents the effective destruction of the ACC for 10-12 more years.

The price is FSU’s cut of the media rights annually which is projected to be between 36-41M a year and then the exit fee which is a 120ish.

Yes fsu has the line of credit from some outsider available. I have a family member who is a big booster there (believe it if you want, don’t care either way) and he’s been told there is also a line of credit from the big ten on the table. The Big offer is 100% on the table and they’re just trying to make it all work. He thinks it’ll be late January but nobody really knows for sure yet.

The Big wants fsu and into Florida (and apparently unc) and fsu wants away from the acc and espn. Right or not they feel jilted and the relationship is over. Both parties are motivated to make this happen.

OK. Well, you will be proven right if FSU pays hundreds of millions to get out over the next few months. If not, I guess you won't.

We'll see.

Could be next few months or longer. I think they’ll be in the Big come 2025. If the announcement isn’t before the next season starts I’ll take the L.

 

[Instinctive]

I'm going to just stop responding on this. I could definitely be wrong, I am not an attorney. But I think most of you are making a lot of assumptions that may not prove out.

I am an attorney. Who specialized in sports law before going the consulting route. Who has worked on media and stadium deals and collective bargaining.

This is the smartest thing you've said on the subject.

 

[Tau837]

I'm going to just stop responding on this. I could definitely be wrong, I am not an attorney. But I think most of you are making a lot of assumptions that may not prove out.

I am an attorney. Who specialized in sports law before going the consulting route. Who has worked on media and stadium deals and collective bargaining.

This is the smartest thing you've said on the subject.

Cool. Then you will obviously be proven right when one or more of the ACC members either sues in court or negotiates an out. Right? I'll look forward to seeing that then.

 

[Instinctive]

I'm going to just stop responding on this. I could definitely be wrong, I am not an attorney. But I think most of you are making a lot of assumptions that may not prove out.

I am an attorney. Who specialized in sports law before going the consulting route. Who has worked on media and stadium deals and collective bargaining.

This is the smartest thing you've said on the subject.

Cool. Then you will obviously be proven right when one or more of the ACC members either sues in court or negotiates an out. Right? I'll look forward to seeing that then.

I don't think I said that. It's a straw man. You might be "right" that FSU doesn't leave. Regardless, most of your assertions about the GoR show a lack of understanding of how that kind of contract works, as wlel as the dispute resolution process in event of a breach. Which is ok - you're not a lawyer, nobody expects you to know how it works. You said so yourself.

 

[shuke]

I'm going to just stop responding on this.

You sure about that?

 

[Tau837]

I'm going to just stop responding on this.

You sure about that?

Yes. Eventually.

 

[Tau837]

I'm going to just stop responding on this. I could definitely be wrong, I am not an attorney. But I think most of you are making a lot of assumptions that may not prove out.

I am an attorney. Who specialized in sports law before going the consulting route. Who has worked on media and stadium deals and collective bargaining.

This is the smartest thing you've said on the subject.

Cool. Then you will obviously be proven right when one or more of the ACC members either sues in court or negotiates an out. Right? I'll look forward to seeing that then.

I don't think I said that. It's a straw man. You might be "right" that FSU doesn't leave. Regardless, most of your assertions about the GoR show a lack of understanding of how that kind of contract works, as wlel as the dispute resolution process in event of a breach. Which is ok - you're not a lawyer, nobody expects you to know how it works. You said so yourself.

Cool. I don't really care about being right. But given the angst here and elsewhere about FSU, I'm going to assume if they stay with the ACC that it has to do with being unable to easily do otherwise, likely for reasons related to what I have posted about. YMMV and that is fine.

 

[AAABatteries]

What is the rush to leave for FSU? I think the injured QB had more to do with them being left out than anything. They seem setup to dominate the ACC for years and will be in the playoffs every year for a while. They could easily be in the 4-5 range in the B1G or SEC.

In a word....money. A lot of it

That’s what I assume and it’s why people think all of this is stupid. If I’m a FSU fan I’m not sure I’d be sold on this move - felt the same with Texas and Oklahoma

If they move, they'll be fine, especially in the new system. They're still in very fertile recruiting lands. They have access to more immediate talent than anyone in the B1G. When you can over double your access to money in the move (counting both CFB and research), it's kinda dumb not to do it.

If I’m a football fan I’m not sure why I give two ****s about the money and I don’t agree with “they’ll be fine” - football-wise it’s a gamble. I see it as them moving from almost a sure thing the next 3-5 years to say 50/50 they are in the playoff.

 

[AAABatteries]

You guys are just seemingly ignoring the legal reality. As noted, there is no reason for the ACC to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring anything. FSU will just buy their way out.

And JWB is ignoring the reality that if FOX wants FSU in the B1G, it will happen. The ACC will take their L and several million dollars and like it.

I'm not ignoring anything. The ACC holds the legal trump card. Believing FSU (or any team) will just "buy their way out" assumes things that cannot reasonably be assumed.

No offense but have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

No offense, but have you not been paying attention to the actual subject of discussion?

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

FSU can pay the exit fee and buyout the 36M a year for the grant of rights (or whatever the amount is). It will total 500M or so, and then they’ll leave. I don’t really know what you’re implying otherwise. If fsu has the funds to go they will go and the acc can’t stop it. They already have the credit lined up to pay it but didn’t want to do so since it’s such a large amount. The playoff snub changed that.

You make an assumption that FSU can buy out the GOR. Based on what? Are you saying there is language in the GOR that puts a price on that, so it's just a matter of paying that price? I don't believe that is true. Do you have a link that substantiates that?

If you don't have a link, then I have to assume that what you really are assuming is that the ACC will negotiate release for a high enough price. But they have be willing to negotiate that, and I don't see why they would do it. Sure, it would be a big payday, but holding the line prevents the effective destruction of the ACC for 10-12 more years.

The price is FSU’s cut of the media rights annually which is projected to be between 36-41M a year and then the exit fee which is a 120ish.

Yes fsu has the line of credit from some outsider available. I have a family member who is a big booster there (believe it if you want, don’t care either way) and he’s been told there is also a line of credit from the big ten on the table. The Big offer is 100% on the table and they’re just trying to make it all work. He thinks it’ll be late January but nobody really knows for sure yet.

The Big wants fsu and into Florida (and apparently unc) and fsu wants away from the acc and espn. Right or not they feel jilted and the relationship is over. Both parties are motivated to make this happen.

OK. Well, you will be proven right if FSU pays hundreds of millions to get out over the next few months. If not, I guess you won't.

We'll see.

Could be next few months or longer. I think they’ll be in the Big come 2025. If the announcement isn’t before the next season starts I’ll take the L.

I’ve paid little attention to these conference realignment details as I think it’s all ridiculous but would just the football team be leaving?

Are UCLA and USC other sports moving to B1G? Seems like a lot of travel for small sports.

 

[AAABatteries]

“UCLA has 25 teams in total, and all but four — men's and women's water polo, beach volleyball and men's volleyball — will move to the Big Ten. Those four teams will remain in the Pac-12 because the Big Ten doesn't offer those sports.”

It’s great they are kind of screwing all their other sports teams and fans just for football. Assuming the same happens I’m sure FSU baseball fans will be ecstatic to drive 10-14 hours to sit in freezing weather in Feb/Mar up north.

 

[Tom Servo]

College football will have 2 bye weeks in 2024 and 2025.

 

[Jayded]

…and to complete the oddity that was Buchner returning to ND to play lacrosse…

2022’s starter once Buchner got hurt, Drew Pyne, had transferred to Arizona State to play there this year. He is also returning to ND, but only as a student.

So both 2022 starting QBs transferred out, a year later return to the original school, and neither is playing football anymore.

 

[JAA]

A lot of smoke on Twitter today about FSU pulling the lever and leaving the ACC. Local reporters with a lot of eyes emojis etc. As always I doubt anything happens but it’s out there.

Them and Clemson will be leaving. Just a matter of time.

Per the ACC Grant of Rights, the ACC has all media rights for all sports for current full ACC members until 2035. Are you assuming they defeat the ACC Grant of Rights in court? Or are you assuming the ACC negotiates a buyout?

If the latter, why would the ACC do that? If they just let Clemson and FSU walk with no repercussions, then (a) the conference is obviously weakened by losing two strong football programs and (b) it sets the stage for any other members to walk whenever they want to.

I grant you, ACC members could definitely seriously consider leaving in the early 2030s... but that's a long time from now.

My gut tells me threats of lawsuits and settled payment terms. Feels like the norm these days

I don't see why the ACC would be motivated to support negotiating a settlement. Any settlement basically means the end of the ACC. I think they will force any members who want to leave to win in court.

By the way, I wrote 2035, but it's actually 2036. And there is a $120M exit fee required on top of whatever comes of the GOR in court or negotiations.

Come to think of it, the ACC might be okay with the idea of getting paid $240M by FSU and Clemson and then getting rights to all of their home game media broadcasts, i.e., getting rights to broadcast SEC and/or B1G games, for 13 years.

This would be the scenario - negotiation in payments, media revenue. As I posted previously, the exit fee would be about $200m based upon the revenue from the last tax submissions by the school - which is assuming FSU leaves the ACC in 2025 (announcing in 2024). Whichever conference FSU moves to (B1G or SEC), said conference would put up a loan - especially now with the media broadcasting group as backing (FOX and ESPN accordingly). With the media rights alone, FSU would see a minimum of $200m in new revenue over the first 5 years in the B1G conference. This doesn't include new money coming from the expansion of the CFP, to which being a member of the B1G or SEC would boost earnings for FSU on a yearly basis. As mentioned in the article I posted, "the GOR value will end up being a network based resolution and games can be moved around to make everyone whole - just as FOX and ESPN did with the exit of OU and UT from the Big 12." Example provided:

Fiscal Year	ACC Est Payout	B1G Est Payout	FSU Estimated Difference
FY 2024-25	39.6 M	77.0 M	37.4 M + New CFP $$
FY 2025-26	54.3 M	96.0 M	41.7 M + New CFP $$
FY 2026-27	56.6 M	98.9 M	42.3 M + New CFP $$
FY 2027-28	59.0 M	101.9 M	42.9 M + New CFP $$
FY 2028-29	61.5 M	104.9 M	43.4 M + New CFP $$

Estimated 5 yr Difference = 207.7 M + New CFP $$
Next 5 years (minimum, if flat) = 217.0 M + New CFP $$
First 10 years (minimum, if flat) = 424.7 M + New CFP $$

So essentially, with an established revenue stream from the conference and media backing FSU, they will be in a position to negotiate any type of buyout ($$ plus tv/media rights for games) needed to cover exit clause and GOR. Just because no one has left ACC doesn't mean it's not possible. As stated previously, threats of lawsuits and settled payout terms are the norm nowadays. The conference didn't back FSU in the CFP, even with representation on the committee. I think FSU has a solid argument to leave, and the money will be there for them wherever they choose to go (B1G or SEC). I don't think that can be ignored and just dismissed. The idea of a P2 set up is coming with the B1G and SEC taking control. It's not a matter of if, but when.

You seem to assume the ACC will cooperate. They don't have to do that. Frankly, I don't see any reason they should consider that, unless they are convinced they will lose in court on a challenge to the GOR. But it has been reported for years that various universities have been examining it for purposes of challenging it, yet no university has done so. That suggests it is pretty difficult to overcome in court.

Take a look at the demise of the Big East, and most recently Pac12. The word "cooperate" is a legal term.

Did the Big East or PAC12 have a legal Grant of Rights? Pretty sure they didn't.

Im pretty sure Big East did.

Also, when B12 teams left for SEC (A&M and Mizz) I believe same thing happened.

 

[JAA]

A lot of smoke on Twitter today about FSU pulling the lever and leaving the ACC. Local reporters with a lot of eyes emojis etc. As always I doubt anything happens but it’s out there.

Them and Clemson will be leaving. Just a matter of time.

Per the ACC Grant of Rights, the ACC has all media rights for all sports for current full ACC members until 2035. Are you assuming they defeat the ACC Grant of Rights in court? Or are you assuming the ACC negotiates a buyout?

If the latter, why would the ACC do that? If they just let Clemson and FSU walk with no repercussions, then (a) the conference is obviously weakened by losing two strong football programs and (b) it sets the stage for any other members to walk whenever they want to.

I grant you, ACC members could definitely seriously consider leaving in the early 2030s... but that's a long time from now.

My gut tells me threats of lawsuits and settled payment terms. Feels like the norm these days

I don't see why the ACC would be motivated to support negotiating a settlement. Any settlement basically means the end of the ACC. I think they will force any members who want to leave to win in court.

By the way, I wrote 2035, but it's actually 2036. And there is a $120M exit fee required on top of whatever comes of the GOR in court or negotiations.

Come to think of it, the ACC might be okay with the idea of getting paid $240M by FSU and Clemson and then getting rights to all of their home game media broadcasts, i.e., getting rights to broadcast SEC and/or B1G games, for 13 years.

Well ... if the ACC SoS is keeping FSU out of the playoffs and losing them money ... is there cause there?

No.

Circumstances having nothing to do with ACC SOS -- namely, UGA losing to Bama and Travis getting hurt -- contributed as much or more to FSU being left out.

FSU chose to play their OOC schedule:

• LSU (SEC) - #9 FPI
• Florida (SEC) - #38 FPI
• Southern Miss (Sun Belt) - #119 FPI
• North Alabama (FCS) - not ranked in FPI

The ACC didn't control that.

It's unfortunate for FSU that Florida wasn't better this season... but that had nothing to do with the ACC.

None of that creates a basis of cause.

I can paint a different narrative than that. It isnt hard.

It doesn't matter. It's a legal issue. What matters is what matters in a legal proceeding over the ACC GOR.

What matters is that lots of teams have left conferences stating numerous reasons when we all knew it was a money grab. So what matters is that your blank and white statement of what can and cannot happen doesnt really matter. It will happen, just how.

 

[JAA]

I'm going to just stop responding on this. I could definitely be wrong, I am not an attorney. But I think most of you are making a lot of assumptions that may not prove out.

You can be right and wrong at the same time.

Your GoR arguments are legally correct. However, teams continue to leave conferences and break contracts. It happens and will continue to happen.

 

[JAA]

What is the rush to leave for FSU? I think the injured QB had more to do with them being left out than anything. They seem setup to dominate the ACC for years and will be in the playoffs every year for a while. They could easily be in the 4-5 range in the B1G or SEC.

Should the Eagles have been left out of the playoffs cause Nick Foles looked horrible leading up to the playoffs?

Should the Ravens have been left out of the playoffs because Trent Dilfer was a bum?

Leaving FSU out of the playoffs because of a player injury should go down as the biggest robbery in all of sports history ever. The CFP committee robbed every other player and staff member their EARNED right to compete in the CFP.

 

[JAA]

You guys are just seemingly ignoring the legal reality. As noted, there is no reason for the ACC to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring anything. FSU will just buy their way out.

And JWB is ignoring the reality that if FOX wants FSU in the B1G, it will happen. The ACC will take their L and several million dollars and like it.

I'm not ignoring anything. The ACC holds the legal trump card. Believing FSU (or any team) will just "buy their way out" assumes things that cannot reasonably be assumed.

No offense but have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

No offense, but have you not been paying attention to the actual subject of discussion?

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

FSU can pay the exit fee and buyout the 36M a year for the grant of rights (or whatever the amount is). It will total 500M or so, and then they’ll leave. I don’t really know what you’re implying otherwise. If fsu has the funds to go they will go and the acc can’t stop it. They already have the credit lined up to pay it but didn’t want to do so since it’s such a large amount. The playoff snub changed that.

You make an assumption that FSU can buy out the GOR. Based on what? Are you saying there is language in the GOR that puts a price on that, so it's just a matter of paying that price? I don't believe that is true. Do you have a link that substantiates that?

If you don't have a link, then I have to assume that what you really are assuming is that the ACC will negotiate release for a high enough price. But they have be willing to negotiate that, and I don't see why they would do it. Sure, it would be a big payday, but holding the line prevents the effective destruction of the ACC for 10-12 more years.

The price is FSU’s cut of the media rights annually which is projected to be between 36-41M a year and then the exit fee which is a 120ish.

Yes fsu has the line of credit from some outsider available. I have a family member who is a big booster there (believe it if you want, don’t care either way) and he’s been told there is also a line of credit from the big ten on the table. The Big offer is 100% on the table and they’re just trying to make it all work. He thinks it’ll be late January but nobody really knows for sure yet.

The Big wants fsu and into Florida (and apparently unc) and fsu wants away from the acc and espn. Right or not they feel jilted and the relationship is over. Both parties are motivated to make this happen.

Typically the B1G "cares" about academics for their schools. Does FSU meet those standards? Not a dig, I really don't know. I do know Nebraska has dropped their AAsomethingSomething rating so maybe the B1G doesn't really care anymore?

 

[Capella]

You guys are just seemingly ignoring the legal reality. As noted, there is no reason for the ACC to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring anything. FSU will just buy their way out.

And JWB is ignoring the reality that if FOX wants FSU in the B1G, it will happen. The ACC will take their L and several million dollars and like it.

I'm not ignoring anything. The ACC holds the legal trump card. Believing FSU (or any team) will just "buy their way out" assumes things that cannot reasonably be assumed.

No offense but have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

No offense, but have you not been paying attention to the actual subject of discussion?

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

FSU can pay the exit fee and buyout the 36M a year for the grant of rights (or whatever the amount is). It will total 500M or so, and then they’ll leave. I don’t really know what you’re implying otherwise. If fsu has the funds to go they will go and the acc can’t stop it. They already have the credit lined up to pay it but didn’t want to do so since it’s such a large amount. The playoff snub changed that.

You make an assumption that FSU can buy out the GOR. Based on what? Are you saying there is language in the GOR that puts a price on that, so it's just a matter of paying that price? I don't believe that is true. Do you have a link that substantiates that?

If you don't have a link, then I have to assume that what you really are assuming is that the ACC will negotiate release for a high enough price. But they have be willing to negotiate that, and I don't see why they would do it. Sure, it would be a big payday, but holding the line prevents the effective destruction of the ACC for 10-12 more years.

The price is FSU’s cut of the media rights annually which is projected to be between 36-41M a year and then the exit fee which is a 120ish.

Yes fsu has the line of credit from some outsider available. I have a family member who is a big booster there (believe it if you want, don’t care either way) and he’s been told there is also a line of credit from the big ten on the table. The Big offer is 100% on the table and they’re just trying to make it all work. He thinks it’ll be late January but nobody really knows for sure yet.

The Big wants fsu and into Florida (and apparently unc) and fsu wants away from the acc and espn. Right or not they feel jilted and the relationship is over. Both parties are motivated to make this happen.

Typically the B1G "cares" about academics for their schools. Does FSU meet those standards? Not a dig, I really don't know. I do know Nebraska has dropped their AAsomethingSomething rating so maybe the B1G doesn't really care anymore?

They’re not aau yet but allegedly will be there in a few. I think they would be literally middle of the road in academic rankings of big 10 schools, like 8th or 9th. I doubt it’s an issue at all.

 

[3C's]

 

[The Commish]

You guys are just seemingly ignoring the legal reality. As noted, there is no reason for the ACC to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring anything. FSU will just buy their way out.

And JWB is ignoring the reality that if FOX wants FSU in the B1G, it will happen. The ACC will take their L and several million dollars and like it.

I'm not ignoring anything. The ACC holds the legal trump card. Believing FSU (or any team) will just "buy their way out" assumes things that cannot reasonably be assumed.

No offense but have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

No offense, but have you not been paying attention to the actual subject of discussion?

Why don't you tell me the last time a league had something like the ACC Grant of Rights in place and either voluntarily waived it in a buyout negotiation or had it defeated in court?

FSU can pay the exit fee and buyout the 36M a year for the grant of rights (or whatever the amount is). It will total 500M or so, and then they’ll leave. I don’t really know what you’re implying otherwise. If fsu has the funds to go they will go and the acc can’t stop it. They already have the credit lined up to pay it but didn’t want to do so since it’s such a large amount. The playoff snub changed that.

You make an assumption that FSU can buy out the GOR. Based on what? Are you saying there is language in the GOR that puts a price on that, so it's just a matter of paying that price? I don't believe that is true. Do you have a link that substantiates that?

If you don't have a link, then I have to assume that what you really are assuming is that the ACC will negotiate release for a high enough price. But they have be willing to negotiate that, and I don't see why they would do it. Sure, it would be a big payday, but holding the line prevents the effective destruction of the ACC for 10-12 more years.

The price is FSU’s cut of the media rights annually which is projected to be between 36-41M a year and then the exit fee which is a 120ish.

Yes fsu has the line of credit from some outsider available. I have a family member who is a big booster there (believe it if you want, don’t care either way) and he’s been told there is also a line of credit from the big ten on the table. The Big offer is 100% on the table and they’re just trying to make it all work. He thinks it’ll be late January but nobody really knows for sure yet.

The Big wants fsu and into Florida (and apparently unc) and fsu wants away from the acc and espn. Right or not they feel jilted and the relationship is over. Both parties are motivated to make this happen.

Typically the B1G "cares" about academics for their schools. Does FSU meet those standards? Not a dig, I really don't know. I do know Nebraska has dropped their AAsomethingSomething rating so maybe the B1G doesn't really care anymore?

They’re not aau yet but allegedly will be there in a few. I think they would be literally middle of the road in academic rankings of big 10 schools, like 8th or 9th. I doubt it’s an issue at all.

They're better than Nebraska and the B1G let them in

 

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TIFWIW...Noles have worked everything out being debated here, but there are a few hurdles still being worked thru (like which 2nd school follows) and the CFP chaos delayed things.

 

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TIFWIW...Noles have worked everything out being debated here, but there are a few hurdles still being worked thru (like which 2nd school follows) and the CFP chaos delayed things.

I've read it's UNC or Miami. UNC has the B1G and FOX approval already, but not sure on the $$$. Whereas Miami has the $$$, but I'm not sure they have full approval yet?