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2024 Detroit Lions 10-1: Lions Jolt the Colts (57 Viewers)
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Moonlight
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Leroy Hoard
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TartanLion
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I’ve been wondering if the negative chat coming back on Tua might actually help us. If Tua is seen as someone to give a wide berth to, does it not make it all the more important for one of these teams to make a move to secure themselves Herbert ?
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Snorkelson
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I said the same thing somewhere awhile back. I don’t know how this is going to fall; it’s really one of the more exciting drafts imo- lots of good players, an early pick that may be a hot ticket item, potentially one of the best ffl classes, and all the smoke screens right now are fun to read.
I hear SD is happy to stay put at 6 and let a qb fall to them. True or smoke? Teams are worried about Tua, true or smokescreen? There are bound to be surprises in the top 10, and I think we see some trades in the top 10 as well as teams maneuver to get those wrs before the 11 pick. Hope we can find a trade partner and move back this year, as I say every year. So many different ways they can go in this draft I don’t see how they screw it up unless we somehow trade down with NE, which, well, we can’t rule out.....
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TartanLion
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Not to mention I think it was Rapapport came out yesterday and said that a few GMs he’d spoken to said that the media have got their player evaluations even more different to how teams are seeing than usual. So the top ten could really be chalk full of surprises
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, the national media seemed to sour on Tua and is starting to build up Herbert. But it seems like they all expect Lions to go with a list something like this:
Young
J.O.
Simmons
Brown
Young
J.O.
Simmons
Brown
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I could see B.B. dumping a high salary vet on defense and pairing that guy with their late #1 and one of their #3s. Little Bobby might bite to try to save his job.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Dang it Bobby! I sure hope we are wrong, it’s the only scenario where I’ll be extremely disappointed...well we’re lions fans, of course we’ll be disappointed eventually, but I mean with the draft...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
This franchise sucks. Well, all the Detroit teams do right now.
I’ve been rewatching the 1968 WS this morning.
Gibson has dominated Games 1 & 4, the Tigers have committed 8 errors, and Lou Brock already has 7 steals. Down 3-1 going into the Sunday afternoon Game 5 at Tiger Stadium, looks like the Cardinals are about to win their 3rd world championship in five years.
IDK how a team can set a franchise record for wins (103) and play this badly. Freehan can’t throw anyone out, he’s made two errors, Cards are running wild on him, McClain (31 game winner) looks like a bum compared to the Cardinals ace, Horton, Northrup, & Stanley are a combined 6-44. Only Kaline is hitting. It’s embarrassing.
At least the Lions are playing good. Joe Schmidt is in his second year. They had both rookies of the year last year (Mel Farr & Lem Barney), then took the first QB in the draft, Greg Landry. Oh, and that 3rd round TE (Charlie Sanders) looks great. Clearly on the upswing, one of the best young teams in football, great young coach. I know it’s been over ten years, but come on, they could make a run.They're due.
After getting curb stomped in Dallas - the rookie threw 4 interceptions and lost his starting job - they beat Chicago 42-0 and upset the Packers. In Lambeau! Green Bay has won the last three titles but Lombardi retired.
Anyone know what they’re calling that new thing? First year it was the NFL-AFL Championship Game and then this year Lamar Hunt started calling it the Super Bowl. Guess he thought of that after his granddaughters was playing with a toy called the superball. Just weird, and what does that guy know? Doubt the merger thing ever happens, the AFL is a joke.
Anyway, had to flip the two Viking games (October 6 & the November contest) since the clown baseball team needs to finish blowing it. Minnesota has never won anything and just traded their best player (Tarkenton) to the Giants, Bears are terrible again, the Pack are old. This might be their year, guys. This might be OUR year.
I’ve been rewatching the 1968 WS this morning.
Gibson has dominated Games 1 & 4, the Tigers have committed 8 errors, and Lou Brock already has 7 steals. Down 3-1 going into the Sunday afternoon Game 5 at Tiger Stadium, looks like the Cardinals are about to win their 3rd world championship in five years.
IDK how a team can set a franchise record for wins (103) and play this badly. Freehan can’t throw anyone out, he’s made two errors, Cards are running wild on him, McClain (31 game winner) looks like a bum compared to the Cardinals ace, Horton, Northrup, & Stanley are a combined 6-44. Only Kaline is hitting. It’s embarrassing.
At least the Lions are playing good. Joe Schmidt is in his second year. They had both rookies of the year last year (Mel Farr & Lem Barney), then took the first QB in the draft, Greg Landry. Oh, and that 3rd round TE (Charlie Sanders) looks great. Clearly on the upswing, one of the best young teams in football, great young coach. I know it’s been over ten years, but come on, they could make a run.They're due.
After getting curb stomped in Dallas - the rookie threw 4 interceptions and lost his starting job - they beat Chicago 42-0 and upset the Packers. In Lambeau! Green Bay has won the last three titles but Lombardi retired.
Anyone know what they’re calling that new thing? First year it was the NFL-AFL Championship Game and then this year Lamar Hunt started calling it the Super Bowl. Guess he thought of that after his granddaughters was playing with a toy called the superball. Just weird, and what does that guy know? Doubt the merger thing ever happens, the AFL is a joke.
Anyway, had to flip the two Viking games (October 6 & the November contest) since the clown baseball team needs to finish blowing it. Minnesota has never won anything and just traded their best player (Tarkenton) to the Giants, Bears are terrible again, the Pack are old. This might be their year, guys. This might be OUR year.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Sorry to upset you Hank. If it makes it any better BB has never drafted a QB higher than round 2, with the average being late 4th round.
matuski
Footballguy
I'd be happy. Add a couple OL to the list and I would be more happy.
eta - I've been waiting 33 years for a good (I gave up on great) OL.
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Moonlight
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Lions were developing a very good offensive line in early 90s. But that's when Mike Utley was paralyzed during the 91 season and Eric Andolsek was killed in 1992 during the offseason. A freak accident when a truck ran off the road while he was working in the yard. The Lions only playoff win was after the 91 season vs Dallas.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Tristan Wirfs looks like a solid OT.
"he had a higher vertical than two of the top wideouts in this class -- Jerry Jeudy and CeeDee Lamb"
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So they will probably draft him third overall and use him solely as a deep safety defending Hail Marys.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I wasn’t even aware of that till now, but that sounds like the most Lions-esque thing I’ve ever heard
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
That and having the only player to ever die on an NFL field (Chuck Hughes, WR.)
Guy was walking back to the huddle after a dropped TD pass by another Lion, collapsed on the 20 at Tiger Stadium with 1:02 left. He was having convulsions, **** Butkus was nearest to him and waving frantically. Turned out he had 75% blockage in an artery. Heart attack.
Few years later their HC died the week TC was supposed to start while mowing his yard. Also a heart attack. Guy had won a Super Bowl in Baltimore, lasted one year in Detroit.
The Ford family has hired 15 head coaches and appointed two interims (plus the HC they retained after buying the team the morning JFK was assassinated.)
• George Wilson - the Fords inherited the last man to win an NFL championship in Detroit. Lasted one full season under WCF, coached the Dolphins 1966-69.
• 7 of the next 8 head coaches never worked again after being the Lions HC. Never, ever, anywhere. The Lions average 6.625 wins 1965-1996. Monte Clark was an assistant for one year in Miami after 7 miserable years in the Silverdome.
• The Fords longest serving coach, Wayne Fontes, was in interim for 5 games and HC for 8 seasons. His 66 wins and 67 losses are franchise records. 1-4 in the playoffs. One of two head coaches Barry Sanders played under.
• Bobby Ross (27-30 with 2 WC losses 1997-2000) coached at Army but never again in the NFL.
• Gary Moeller (4-3 as an interim) never got a HC gig but did land a couple assistant jobs. Only the 2nd Ford HC with a winning record. The first one (HoFer Joe Schmidt) quit out of frustration after 6 years.
• Mornhinweg (5-27) - assistant but never again a HC.
• Marinucci (15-28) went into broadcasting.
• Interim Coach **** Jauron (1-4) went on to miss the playoffs for three years in Buffalo.
• Marinelli (10-38), Schwartz (29-51, 1 WC loss) and Caldwell (36-28, 2 WC losses) were all assistants again but never hired as a HC after leaving Detroit. At .563 Coach Jim is the winningest HC of the WCF/MFF regime.
• Patricia (9-22-1) is not even the worst HC of the Ford family era. His .297 win percentage is 15th amongst the 18 who have shuffled the sideline under the worst owners in the NFL.
Through the years in Downtown, Pontiac, Cranbrook, Allen Park - the one constant has been the family. They’re nice people IMO. I really liked Bill Jr. But they just cannot ever get it right.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Born under a bad sign
Been down since I began to crawl
If it wasn't for bad luck, you know I wouldn't have no luck at all
Been down since I began to crawl
If it wasn't for bad luck, you know I wouldn't have no luck at all
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
TartanLion
Footballguy
Honestly, I’d probably just fly over to Detroit for a weeks worth of drinking and hit up some of the spots I’ve been to before - Old Shilellegh, Grand Trunk Bar, Sweetwater Tavern, Jacoby’s and a few other places. Comet Bar was another great place I went to but I believe it was demolished and the new Red Wings/Pistons arena is in its place. I’m sure downtown has changed a fair bit since I was last there in 2011/12
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Ilov80s
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BobbyLayne
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Moonlight
Footballguy
In reviewing the circumstances of Eric Andolsek's accidental death I came across another tragic Lion story which I had not heard of before.
https://www.vintagedetroit.com/blog/2011/12/02/remembering-the-sudden-death-of-lion-tackle-lucien-reeberg-in-1964/
https://www.vintagedetroit.com/blog/2011/12/02/remembering-the-sudden-death-of-lion-tackle-lucien-reeberg-in-1964/
Moonlight
Footballguy
Saw a # of ESPN's "Catching the Draft" episodes this weekend. Lot of fun going over the drama, mishaps of the year's draft that they covered. One of the years was when Millen drafted Mike Williams as the 3rd first round WR in a row. They interviewed Mariucci who was coach at the time. He said that the team was going to draft Demarcus Ware but Millen changed his mind at the last minute when the pick came up. Millen's son was interviewed and he said Oh No! when the pick was announced as he thought the pick was going to be Ware.
I remember Mel Kiper pumping up so hard on Williams and Detroit fans going WTF.
Also attached is an article about how the Lions are a high character organization based on how they draft and the low # of off field issues. So something you can give Quinn credit for.
https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/20/bob-quinn-leads-lions-to-lowest-number-of-off-the-field-issues-in-nfl/
I remember Mel Kiper pumping up so hard on Williams and Detroit fans going WTF.
Also attached is an article about how the Lions are a high character organization based on how they draft and the low # of off field issues. So something you can give Quinn credit for.
https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/20/bob-quinn-leads-lions-to-lowest-number-of-off-the-field-issues-in-nfl/
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Interesting article that Faust posted in the official draft thread.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/4/20/21227676/detroit-lions-draft-third-pick-jeff-okudah-tua-tagovailoa
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/4/20/21227676/detroit-lions-draft-third-pick-jeff-okudah-tua-tagovailoa
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Mike Williams caught 2 TDs with Detroit and Ware went to 9 Pro Bowls. I think Millen messed that one up.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep and then they make a boring pick like Derrick Brown who becomes a solid run stopper but doesn't do much against the pass and has the value of a 3rd round pick.
I don't think it's luck. Just a matter of price.
IMO if you're the Dolphins/Chargers/Jags GM...and you actually like Herbert/Tua...there's no way you don't make a significant offer to the Lions. It's irresponsible not to.
Can't see one of those teams crossing their fingers "hoping" the QB they want falls to their draft slot. QB is too important. You go and get them. It's only if the Lions' asking price is way too exorbitant that you roll the dice.
matuski
Footballguy
Honestly not sure.
As I get older my sports teams are less and less important.
I prob rather take my family to the carribbean or something.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Lions IMO are in a position to accept almost any kind of trade back from Miami or LA. Even if all they can squeeze out is an extra 2nd, it's worth it IMO.
matuski
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
They aren't taking a QB.
A) They have to win NOW or they lose their jobs so they will look for an immediate impact player, not a rookie to develop or a QB controversy or a redundant asset
B) With the potential of no offseason, rookie QBs might not be ready at the start of the year
C) Quinn likes to take the most boring pick possible, a QB would be too exciting
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I would just buy the biggest tv available at that time (200 inches?) and invite everyone I know. Even if they lose, I still have the tv.
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Agreed. Since both Herbert/Tua* appear franchise caliber that's why IMO it's extremely high likelihood a trade goes down.
*risk adjusting for injury concerns
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Jeff Ohkuda is good but will he have an impact? There have been some mocks where he falls out of top 10 if Lions don`t take him. CJ Henderson is on the rise. I just hope Quinn does not lock in on a DB at 3.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't think he falls past Carolina. They might not have a starting caliber CB on their team and they have to deal with Evans, Godwin, Julio, Ridley, Michael Thomas, Brees, Brady and Ryan. Does Okudah make an immediate impact for the Lions? Maybe- every year there are CBs who play very well as rookies. The Lions need help there, it was the worst pass defense in the NFL last year. If they don't fix that, Quinn and Patricia won't be in Detroit for 2021.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Either Okudah or Simmons would be ok by me, hopefully later than 3.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
They keep saying Simmons does not have a position. Let him run wild at LB like Clay Matthews did when he was in his prime. Simmons could be a sack machine on the blitz and he is fast enough to cover.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
It was the worst pass defense in the NFL with perhaps the best CB in the NFL... food for thought. And they did get Trufant.. not bad at all imo.
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Moonlight
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If a trade back, hopefully there will be a perception whether real or created of there being a bidding war to get a QB early.Ilov80s said:
So we can get more picks and then we can fill our many needs on defense and get an OL as well. Plus RB and WR depth. Not asking for much am I?
But as a Lion fan I'm ready to be disappointed again when Lions settle as was mentioned before for Derrick Brown.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Been watching film of Derrick Brown. Thuy guy is a beast and plays like Suh. Brown is going to be great but he will get some suspensions in the NFL, he gave a RB a piledriver last year. Could have broken his neck. Don`t be shocked if he is a Lion.
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