2023 New York Jets (2 Viewers)

[TLEF316]

Yeah, I just dont believe anything Re: Becton until I do/dont see him on the field. He can post all the propaganda videos of upper body gym work he wants. This injury situation is really fishy.

Interesting that the plan is to move AVT to right guard to accommodate Tomlinson.  Guess it sort of makes sense though. Tomlinson is a vet who (as far as I know) has only played that side. AVT is only in his 2nd year (and the elite talent) so he should be able to switch easier.....I guess.

1 month till draft night (4/22)

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We hear that DK Metcalf is on the trading blocks and the Jets are very interested so they can keep pace with the Phins. 

Seahawks Shut it Down

 

[TLEF316]

So....we're 10 days out from a BIG night for this franchise

I do think that if Kayvon is there, the Jets will take him. However, I think the 2nd most likely scenario is Ekwonu. And if that happens.....I do believe the Jets will trade Becton for a 2nd round pick (if they can get it).

I know they're saying all the right things and he's doing all the necessary social media damage control. But I'm guessing last year (both pre and post injury) left a bad and very scary taste in the Jets' mouth. He's not an ideal fit for the zone blocking system and he's one more lower body injury away from being 100% damaged goods.

I know you need 2 tackles (and Becton may be a better fit for RT long term anyway) and you hate to take a loss on a guy with this kind of talent. But if you get another (safer) LT on board....its easier to just recoup some of your cost and go in another direction.  His weight is ALWAYS gonna be an issue and I dont think he has the maturity/discipline to control it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

His weight is ALWAYS gonna be an issue and I dont think he has the maturity/discipline to control it.

I'm not sure how we can make a statement like this yet - he's already been working on dropping weight. He's a young kid.

I know the Jets fans are trained to think in terms of "doom and gloom" but I don't get the hate on Becton. He looked very good as a rookie and then had an injury plagued second season - and everyone views him as a bust.

At some point the constant churning of highly drafted players needs to stop.

 

[TLEF316]

I'm not sure how we can make a statement like this yet - he's already been working on dropping weight. He's a young kid.

I know the Jets fans are trained to think in terms of "doom and gloom" but I don't get the hate on Becton. He looked very good as a rookie and then had an injury plagued second season - and everyone views him as a bust.

At some point the constant churning of highly drafted players needs to stop.

For me, its fairly simple. An injury that was supposed to take 6-8 weeks to recover kept him out all season. And the story is that he ballooned up over 400 lbs (from ~360 at the start of the season) during his "rehab", which is the main reason why he never made it back.

To me, that's a REALLY bad sign (no matter how many tik toks he posts from the gym). That's probably unfair (the kid is 23 years old....today actually) and I'm sure I'm scarred from 3 decades as a Jets fan, but it worries me. And the scheme fit is equally important. If he's always gonna struggle as a zone blocker, it makes sense to sell before he shows any more warts.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

For me, its fairly simple. An injury that was supposed to take 6-8 weeks to recover kept him out all season. And the story is that he ballooned up over 400 lbs (from ~360 at the start of the season) during his "rehab", which is the main reason why he never made it back.

To me, that's a REALLY bad sign (no matter how many tik toks he posts from the gym). That's probably unfair (the kid is 23 years old....today actually) and I'm sure I'm scarred from 3 decades as a Jets fan, but it worries me. And the scheme fit is equally important. If he's always gonna struggle as a zone blocker, it makes sense to sell before he shows any more warts.

I'm not saying you're wrong about Becton being a bust (although I think some of that is pretty unfair) - because frankly none of us can really know what the future holds for Becton, but I seriously disagree on trading him for a loss - at some point we need to build around these high draft picks instead of trading them away while still on their rookie contracts.

He looked like a beast in the run game at least as a rookie - one injury doesn't change that.

 

[Kiddnets]

Becton is very polarizing - last year was a disaster in that all the reports were bad on him - from getting beat in TC, to taking all year for a 6-8 wk injury to the 400 lb reports.  Based on that I wouldnt be shocked if they went OL at #4 if the really think Ike is a cant miss stud...but I dont see any team dealing a 2d rder for Becton until he shows hes healthy on the field.  Even JD the magician would have a hard time doing that...

while I dont thinks it unfair being down on Becton it was one year and newer reports are that hes in shape and working hard.  I just dont see them giving up after one bad year when he looked good last year.  I could see them taking a Tackle in the 2d or 3rd rd as a hedge vs both Becton and Fant getting a monster offer next year.  

I think the money is on Edge/WR - with CB/LB possible as well.  Saw Kiper or someone predicted a trade up from one of the 2d rd picks for the Jets to grab Linderbaum - would love that as a 3rd 1st rder which would allow McGovern to mentor/be depth in case of injury as he can play multiple positions.  

If Becton flames out then they will have to prioritize next draft/FA but I just dont see JD giving up on him yet - not to mention that would mark a completely awful 1st draft for him!  

 

[TLEF316]

Yeah, the trade back into the late first is an interesting possibility for sure.  I was hoping a trade up for Jameson Williams would be possible, but that ship has clearly sailed (rehab is going well and someone will take him top 15, if not higher).

Today's CBS mock draft has Linderbaum falling all the way to 31.  That would basically cost the Jets nothing (a 2nd rounder plus one of their 4th rounders per the trade value chart), so that would be an absolute no-brainer.

 

[rockaction]

I like all the comments. Interesting read, guys. 

I have nothing to add, other than what TLEF says makes sense about Becton and how Kiddnets and Dr. Octopus responds makes sense, too. 

I'm sure they're internally having discussions about it. Wouldn't surprise or shock me to see them wind up with a new left tackle. 

But we sort should hope to shoot the moon, hope Becton is in shape and cured of his ailments, has a positive mental attitude, and goes on to wreck #### for the Jets in the future. 

That would be the best scenario. 

But you have to cut losses, too. 

So interesting. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Yeah, the trade back into the late first is an interesting possibility for sure.  I was hoping a trade up for Jameson Williams would be possible, but that ship has clearly sailed (rehab is going well and someone will take him top 15, if not higher).

Today's CBS mock draft has Linderbaum falling all the way to 31.  That would basically cost the Jets nothing (a 2nd rounder plus one of their 4th rounders per the trade value chart), so that would be an absolute no-brainer.

The one thing the Jets have always had going for them was solid centers. I guess that’s something. Welcome aboard Linderbaum.

that would be nice if they could trade back  in. I really don’t know what to expect even with the first two picks. This front office has been good with no real leaks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If one of the elite EDGE guys are there they have to take him, right? 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If one of the elite EDGE guys are there they have to take him, right? 

My guess is yes. They’ve kept things close to the vest under Douglas. There’s generally not many leaks. But with Saleh’s defense relying on the pass rush and even with Lawson back I think ideally they go with Edge at 4 - not sure if they like all 3 though.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My guess is yes. They’ve kept things close to the vest under Douglas. There’s generally not many leaks. But with Saleh’s defense relying on the pass rush and even with Lawson back I think ideally they go with Edge at 4 - not sure if they like all 3 though.

Yeah, I’m looking at 2 dudes. 

I doubt they take a safety, as many are mocking them to do. I just can’t see 1.04 safety. If it’s not one of the big 2 EDGE guys, they should trade down. 

 

[Kiddnets]

The one thing the Jets have always had going for them was solid centers. I guess that’s something. Welcome aboard Linderbaum.

that would be nice if they could trade back  in. I really don’t know what to expect even with the first two picks. This front office has been good with no real leaks.

While some view a top center as a luxury - 20 yrs of Mawae into MAngold spoiled us - teams O took a huge step down when that position went from a strength to a weakness.  I love the idea of trading up into late 1st for a 3rd or 4th rder and taking the center. 

 

[Kiddnets]

Yeah, I’m looking at 2 dudes. 

I doubt they take a safety, as many are mocking them to do. I just can’t see 1.04 safety. If it’s not one of the big 2 EDGE guys, they should trade down. 

Looks like there are 3 top EDGE options now that would justify the #4 pick.  I think there is a curveball and one of the top 3 go a different position - if so I think EDGE is a done deal.  Lawson and the #4 pick would be a monster upgrade on the pass rush

If 3 EDGE go 1-2-3 then I have no idea - could be the T or CB or even shock everyone by taking their fave WR 1st..id love a trade down if it was a good return - Im not reading out of the top 10 for a 3rd.  

Seems like Jameson Williams is ahead of schedule and steadily moving back up the charts.  Talk is Falcons could grab a WR so if they really want him or another it may be in play at #4.  Williams is the best prospect but the ACL knocked him down a peg.  If he checks all the boxes and is only going to miss the 1st few weeks Id grab him.  Jets are playing the long game anyway and when healthy he is the closest to a blue chip stud WR IMO

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Looks like there are 3 top EDGE options now that would justify the #4 pick.  I think there is a curveball and one of the top 3 go a different position - if so I think EDGE is a done deal.  Lawson and the #4 pick would be a monster upgrade on the pass rush

If 3 EDGE go 1-2-3 then I have no idea - could be the T or CB or even shock everyone by taking their fave WR 1st..id love a trade down if it was a good return - Im not reading out of the top 10 for a 3rd.  

Seems like Jameson Williams is ahead of schedule and steadily moving back up the charts.  Talk is Falcons could grab a WR so if they really want him or another it may be in play at #4.  Williams is the best prospect but the ACL knocked him down a peg.  If he checks all the boxes and is only going to miss the 1st few weeks Id grab him.  Jets are playing the long game anyway and when healthy he is the closest to a blue chip stud WR IMO

There always seems to be a curve ball in the top 4-5 picks though. Someone will take an offense of lineman. 

on another note, it sure does seem like last year and this year‘s draft will contribute significantly to Robert Saleh‘s legacy in New York.

that could be for the positive, or for the negative, depending on how Zach Wilson works out, and what the number for pick this year turns out to be.

question for Jets fans: if the Jets are still picking top four next year, how does that reflect on the front office? Or, are you expecting one more year of struggles before the team puts it together?

 

[TLEF316]

If they're picking top 4 next year,  it means Wilson probably played terrible again. And if that happens, everyone is in trouble.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jets re-signed WR Jeff Smith to a one-year contract.

The Jets also announced the re-signings of CB Javelin Guidry, S Elijah Riley, and DE Tim Ward. All four players were exclusive rights free agents. Smith made 12 appearances for the Jets in 2022. He caught eight balls for 113 yards and picked up 60 additional snaps on special teams. Smith will be competing for a roster spot this summer. 

Now they won't need to draft a WR.

J/K. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If they're picking top 4 next year,  it means Wilson probably played terrible again. And if that happens, everyone is in trouble.  

Yes, even accounting for the stacked AFC this season - a bottom 4 finish would take any bloom off the Douglas/Salah rose. I do think they Jets could improve tremendously and still finish with a losing record - but at some point results matter. The main goal for this season is for Wilson to take a big leap and show he's a franchise QB (which frankly is still in doubt). If that happens, wins should start to follow. Unfortunately Hill joining the Dolphins keeps the Jets as the worst team in the division on paper - but I don't think finishing second in the division behind the Bills is all that far fetched. I'm not a believer in Tua and I don't really fear New England anymore.

 

[sheerterror]

There always seems to be a curve ball in the top 4-5 picks though. Someone will take an offense of lineman. 

on another note, it sure does seem like last year and this year‘s draft will contribute significantly to Robert Saleh‘s legacy in New York.

that could be for the positive, or for the negative, depending on how Zach Wilson works out, and what the number for pick this year turns out to be.

question for Jets fans: if the Jets are still picking top four next year, how does that reflect on the front office? Or, are you expecting one more year of struggles before the team puts it together?

Douglas is doing things (specifically with regards to the trade market) that we haven't seen here in maybe ever.  Of course he has to hit on his top picks - and if Becton proves to be a bust and Wilson doesn't take a step forward this year, it's certainly fair to say he deserves to start feeling some heat.  But I think the competence he's shown thus far outside of the draft - as well as the clear respect he has around the league from his peers based on the returns he's gotten in the trade market, he gets a longer leash than someone like, say, myself, would normally be pining for. 

Hope it doesn't get to this, but will be interesting to see what happens if Wilson stagnates and we end up with a top 5 pick again.  I personally want to be in a position of draft flexibility to grab a QB (IF 'NEEDED') next year, but I think Douglas and co will be hesitant in thinking they're gonna get more than 1 bite at the QB apple with this ownership group.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Douglas is doing things (specifically with regards to the trade market) that we haven't seen here in maybe ever.  Of course he has to hit on his top picks - and if Becton proves to be a bust and Wilson doesn't take a step forward this year, it's certainly fair to say he deserves to start feeling some heat.  But I think the competence he's shown thus far outside of the draft - as well as the clear respect he has around the league from his peers based on the returns he's gotten in the trade market, he gets a longer leash than someone like, say, myself, would normally be pining for. 

Hope it doesn't get to this, but will be interesting to see what happens if Wilson stagnates and we end up with a top 5 pick again.  I personally want to be in a position of draft flexibility to grab a QB (IF 'NEEDED') next year, but I think Douglas and co will be hesitant in thinking they're gonna get more than 1 bite at the QB apple with this ownership group.

Like I said earlier in this thread - the best thing Douglas has done is to now put Wilson into the best possible position to succeed (a first round WR would help out even more) and if he still struggles they could add a veteran or draft another rookie QB to step right into a nice situation in 2023. I do think he should get that second chance - but agree he may not.

 

[sheerterror]

Like I said earlier in this thread - the best thing Douglas has done is to now put Wilson into the best possible position to succeed (a first round WR would help out even more) and if he still struggles they could add a veteran or draft another rookie QB to step right into a nice situation in 2023. I do think he should get that second chance - but agree he may not.

Agreed, nothing wrong with setting up a Denver type situation where you actually become an attractive destination for a QB that shakes loose because there's actually a team to play behind.

 

[Kiddnets]

Good posts by Doc and Sheerterror - 

Its a strange position because at some point they need to start winning - but the carousel of GM/HC changes also needs to stop.  Finishing bottom 4 would be upsetting and I am not expecting it but if it happens then I still would give JD and Saleh time. 

Looking at past few regimes I just never liked or felt comfortable - 

Gase - do I need to explain?

MAc - seemed to have no plan and just threw money at FAs - awful drafting and FAs

Bowles - good X/Os guyon D but never gave an indication of leadership nor interest in both sides of the ball

Idzick - money guy who was clueless on personnel

Rex - Loved him and best coach since Parcells but his routing grows stale and he cant survive a few bad seasons - also never cared about the offensive side of the ball

Tanny - best GM besides JD - hitched his wagon to a bad QB and got burned

So looking at the above comparing to the current I think JD has pushed all the right buttons to a reasonable degree.  Sure his 1st draft was terrible but Im discounting for the gase effect/influence.  He nailed last yr  - Wilson pending - had a plan and executed.  Great trader and hits FA with a plan and forethought instead of spending like a drunken sailor.  I have confidence JD can be a great GM even if he suffers a few more losing seasons - Id even give him a chance to find a new QB which rarely happens if Zach fails this yr - he's set the kid and team up for success.  

Saleh I also can give more rope to but not as much as JD - this is a big year for him to show growth.  Im not bailing if its another bad year but if theres a hot seat in 2023 then I have him on it rather than JD.  He has shown most potential since Rex though so really rooting for him to be the answer.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Good posts by Doc and Sheerterror - 

Its a strange position because at some point they need to start winning - but the carousel of GM/HC changes also needs to stop.  Finishing bottom 4 would be upsetting and I am not expecting it but if it happens then I still would give JD and Saleh time. 

I would surely give both another chance even if Wilson is a bust - so far no QB from that class has really stood out (obviously it's early still). Yeah the constant churning of GMs/HCs has to stop at some point and Douglas has shown to be more than competent. Let him get a second bite at the QB apple if Wilson keeps struggling - hopefully we do not need to worry about that.

 

[Kiddnets]

I would surely give both another chance even if Wilson is a bust - so far no QB from that class has really stood out (obviously it's early still). Yeah the constant churning of GMs/HCs has to stop at some point and Douglas has shown to be more than competent. Let him get a second bite at the QB apple if Wilson keeps struggling - hopefully we do not need to worry about that.

This is exactly why even though the defense is bad I think they may go heavy offense again this draft...fair or not they are going to be judge by Wilson.  Most GM/HCs dont survive a failed QB (even though I think they should) so they need to load him up big time to make him succeed. 

This could lead to the OL pick at #4 we all debated.  If they think Ike is a big time plug in HOF 12 yr OT then you cant not draft him because of Fant and shaky Becton - they are not good enough to be simply filling holes at this point - they need talent players and after much reflecting I take the no brainer stud OL over a lesser player that simply fills a need.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would surely give both another chance even if Wilson is a bust - so far no QB from that class has really stood out (obviously it's early still). Yeah the constant churning of GMs/HCs has to stop at some point and Douglas has shown to be more than competent. Let him get a second bite at the QB apple if Wilson keeps struggling - hopefully we do not need to worry about that.

Follow-up question: how long will it take to determine that?

Is 2 seasons a fair amount of time? If  Wilson shows improvement, but the jets still lose a dozen+ games, do they keep building?

As a Wilson shareholder it’s an interesting subject to me, but in general from a “rebuilding franchise” standpoint, the Jets are fascinating to watch. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Greetings all Jets fans. 

-I believe trading down or back will be almost impossible for many of the teams selecting in the Top 10 due to the fact so many teams have multiple 1st round picks. 

3, 4, 5, 7, 10 and 13 are controlled by just 3 teams, that makes it twice as hard trying to to slide down 2-3 picks to where you feel comfy getting your guy and also adding a pick for this year or next year. 

You might entice a team that doesn't pick in the 1st round but likely if those teams were hungry for someone, they would have already packaged something together. 

1.04-Edge/DE, Travon Walker...I say Walker because both Hutch and Thibs are likely to be gone and if one of those two slides to 4 then I think the Jets will jump on them. They need help in the Secondary but a better DL/Pass rush and it solves two problems. And I think this selection will set up the next one. 

1.10-DB-S, Gardner/Elam/McDuffie/Hamilton...there's a slew to choose from at #10 and that's why i believe the Jets will put an anchor in the F7 and their Secondary. 

Another combo could be a slight reach at #4 for their desired DB and then perhaps Johnson or Karlaftis(I like his versatility) at #10. 

-Good Luck in the upcoming Draft but I hope they blunder it and go WR and OL, ignore the Defense. 

-You all have 2 beautiful high 2nd round picks and that's where I think they find weapons for the young QB. 

Cheers!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Follow-up question: how long will it take to determine that?

Is 2 seasons a fair amount of time? If  Wilson shows improvement, but the jets still lose a dozen+ games, do they keep building?

As a Wilson shareholder it’s an interesting subject to me, but in general from a “rebuilding franchise” standpoint, the Jets are fascinating to watch. 

If Wilson does not build off his last five games and does not take a leap, I think it's fair to move on and call him a "bust". If he plays very well and the team is still losing, I wouldn't advocate moving on though. It all depends on how he looks out there. Personally I think he's the second most "talented" QB in the division right now - let's see if that turns into him being the second "best" QB in the division.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

-Good Luck in the upcoming Draft but I hope they blunder it and go WR and OL, ignore the Defense. 

So a fan of a team that drafted a WR at 5 last season and then traded for a top WR this offseason thinks it would be a "blunder" for the Jets to take a first round WR. Duly noted. 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So a fan of a team that drafted a WR at 5 last season and then traded for a top WR this offseason thinks it would be a "blunder" for the Jets to take a first round WR. Duly noted. 

The singings and draft picks are those of the owner and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of any of the fan base  

-I think Elijah Moore is better by a lot over almost every WR unless Jameson is fully recovered, never like to hear ACL on RB or WR, seems like they are never quite the same even though they tend to heal quicker now. I don't think you all realize fully what you have with him yet, the stats are eye popping in the few games he played as a Rookie. 

-I've allowed myself to drink the Kool-Aid in South Florida but you know I have been as critical of the Miami Dolphins as anyone, they still are being investigated by the NFL for the umpteenth time, this isn't the first fiasco with Ross as owner down here. 

-I think you all have a chance to totally reshape the Defense and you have a defensive minded coach. With so much Offense now in the AFC East, i would think some lockdown DBs might come in handy. I'd keep an open mind to whatever the Jets do but I think they will be the talk of the Draft after we get thru Day 2 and those 1st 4 selections come off the board. You all can grab a WR in the High 2nd, be almost as good as burning the 4 or 10 pick,  where as the drop off at Edge and DB will be significant from the Top 1st Rd to the Top 2nd Rd...the value is on Defense early and I like the skill guys in the 2nd as much or Moore...oh did I just say Skyy Moore? Oh I guess I did. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The singings and draft picks are those of the owner and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of any of the fan base  

-I think Elijah Moore is better by a lot over almost every WR unless Jameson is fully recovered, never like to hear ACL on RB or WR, seems like they are never quite the same even though they tend to heal quicker now. I don't think you all realize fully what you have with him yet, the stats are eye popping in the few games he played as a Rookie. 

-I've allowed myself to drink the Kool-Aid in South Florida but you know I have been as critical of the Miami Dolphins as anyone, they still are being investigated by the NFL for the umpteenth time, this isn't the first fiasco with Ross as owner down here. 

-I think you all have a chance to totally reshape the Defense and you have a defensive minded coach. With so much Offense now in the AFC East, i would think some lockdown DBs might come in handy. I'd keep an open mind to whatever the Jets do but I think they will be the talk of the Draft after we get thru Day 2 and those 1st 4 selections come off the board. You all can grab a WR in the High 2nd, be almost as good as burning the 4 or 10 pick,  where as the drop off at Edge and DB will be significant from the Top 1st Rd to the Top 2nd Rd...the value is on Defense early and I like the skill guys in the 2nd as much or Moore...oh did I just say Skyy Moore? Oh I guess I did. 

I don't totally disagree - but it's easy to say "wait until Round 2 for a WR" but that ignores the probability of 5-6 WRs going off the board before they settle for WR6/7 in Round 2. 

Most fans are on board with an Edge at 4. I think going defense at 10 would also be fine if it's a Sauce Gardner or even Hamilton - but I wouldn't be upset at all if they went WR - the fact that Moore is potentially better than that WR is irrelevant as long as that WR is also talented and productive. I mean is having two great WRs a bad thing when trying to develop a QB?

 

[rockaction]

Sauce

Would be cool. Any way to get three first rounders? Let's hope there's a QB run, though I don't see how the Jets would come into play, per se. 

 

[Kiddnets]

Follow-up question: how long will it take to determine that?

Is 2 seasons a fair amount of time? If  Wilson shows improvement, but the jets still lose a dozen+ games, do they keep building?

As a Wilson shareholder it’s an interesting subject to me, but in general from a “rebuilding franchise” standpoint, the Jets are fascinating to watch. 

Tough to put specific parameters on Wilson but a few markers for me anyway

Stay healthy - cant have him missing multiple games again

limit stupid mistakes - not just Ints but holding ball too long, not throwing it away, taking poor sacks, clock mgt, etc

jump in numbers - doesnt have to have some ungodly combo but he needs to go well into 20 TD passes and limit the Ints 

leadership - want to see him calm and collected - no seeing ghosts or looking rattled

winning - this doesnt mean wins on the board per say but putting the team in a position to win - ie: he puts the team in the endzone to go up 4 and the defense blows it at the end.  

development - must continue forward not back or even stagnant - after year 2 we were still clueless on if Sam was any good or not - that was because Gase was a mess and he missed a lot and was limited with mono - Wilson doesnt have to take a Burrow leap but needs to show hes no bust and on his way to being a solid to above avg QB.  

 

[TLEF316]

So....how do we feel about Deebo?

 

[rockaction]

So....how do we feel about Deebo?

No. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So....how do we feel about Deebo?

I'd be ok with a similar package that was offered for Hill but not with a similar contract.

Honestly in this draft, I'd rather they use the 10 on whichever WR they like best and have him cost-controlled.

 

[rockaction]

Honestly in this draft, I'd rather they use the 10 on whichever WR they like best and have him cost-controlled.

Or the four with Garrett Wilson or Jameson WIlliams, the two top guys for me. Or Pickens in the early second would be a nice thing to have fall if he does. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Or the four with Garrett Wilson or Jameson WIlliams, the two top guys for me. Or Pickens in the early second would be a nice thing to have fall if he does. 

I have the same top 2.

 

[TLEF316]

Agreed. If they'll take the hill package (or something close to it), deal.

If they want the #10, I THINK I pass. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Agreed. If they'll take the hill package (or something close to it), deal.

If they want the #10, I THINK I pass. 

I would have given the 10 for Metcalf easily and probably for Hill but I just don't see Deebo as being worth the pick plus a huge contract, especially in the main reason he wants out because he wants to be used strictly as a WR and not carry the ball.

 

[TLEF316]

Becton not with the team for the off season program.

Yes.... i know it's voluntary.  Yes, I know he's working with a personal trainer down in Dallas. But it's yet another not so great look for a kid that they are probably seriously considering replacing at the top of the draft. 

If I had just missed a whole season and was fighting to keep my spot,  I'd be going above and beyond to make it known that I want to be there. 

 

[Kiddnets]

Becton not with the team for the off season program.

Yes.... i know it's voluntary.  Yes, I know he's working with a personal trainer down in Dallas. But it's yet another not so great look for a kid that they are probably seriously considering replacing at the top of the draft. 

If I had just missed a whole season and was fighting to keep my spot,  I'd be going above and beyond to make it known that I want to be there. 

Lot of concerns with Becton - this certainly doesnt help!

Just listened to the recent NY post podcast with Costello and lots of chatter about Jets and Ike.  With Fant being 30 and looking for big money and Becton' concerns it seems like a real possibility. I trust JD and love OL picks but man that is tough to swallow as I thought the OL was looking good.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Lot of concerns with Becton - this certainly doesnt help!

Just listened to the recent NY post podcast with Costello and lots of chatter about Jets and Ike.  With Fant being 30 and looking for big money and Becton' concerns it seems like a real possibility. I trust JD and love OL picks but man that is tough to swallow as I thought the OL was looking good.  

Yeah, I would hate to "waste" a pick on an OT - seems more spinning wheels than making progress - but if they really don't trust Becton it makes sense.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I know the Jets may get crushed for it but Jameson Williams at 1.04 is starting to look ok with me. I'm not sure he gets to 10. Williams and Moore together could be video-game like if Wilson is a franchise QB.

 

[rockaction]

I like OL at four/ten and deal Becton for a second. He's worth that, I'd think. Boy, talk about a bummer. Then receiver at ten/four. Coach 'em up on D. That's what you're getting paid to do, Robert. I don't think any of the EDGEs that will be left are that mind-blowing, even though it's an EDGE class. Thibodeaux has too many motor concerns and too much smoke for there not to be fire. Hutchinson won't last until four, nor will Walker, if I'm guessing right. I see Jax taking Hutch and Detroit taking Walker. 

But that's all subject to change. 

Bad news about Becton. But, they picked a guy that battled weight. Wirfs has been awesome in Tampa. What other tackles were taken, offhand? Never mind. Just looked it up. Wills went ahead of Becton, and he's been good if I'm not mistaken, but three of those five first-round guys have sort of busted. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Let's hope there's a QB run,

A QB run? In this economy? 
 

Probably not a “hold your breath” type situation in 2022.  If teams aren’t trying to trade up for them, I’m skeptical that many go in the 1st half of the 1st.

i could be wrong.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have the same top 2.

Same. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would have given the 10 for Metcalf easily and probably for Hill but I just don't see Deebo as being worth the pick plus a huge contract, especially in the main reason he wants out because he wants to be used strictly as a WR and not carry the ball.

Agree here, too. Metcalf is easily worth that 1.10, and whatever salary he wants. He’s worth it.

That said, if the Jets can land a WR in the early 2nd, it frees up quite a bit of $ compared to paying Metcalf (or Deebo) 

 

[Kiddnets]

I like OL at four/ten and deal Becton for a second. He's worth that, I'd think. Boy, talk about a bummer. Then receiver at ten/four. Coach 'em up on D. That's what you're getting paid to do, Robert. I don't think any of the EDGEs that will be left are that mind-blowing, even though it's an EDGE class. Thibodeaux has too many motor concerns and too much smoke for there not to be fire. Hutchinson won't last until four, nor will Walker, if I'm guessing right. I see Jax taking Hutch and Detroit taking Walker. 

But that's all subject to change. 

Bad news about Becton. But, they picked a guy that battled weight. Wirfs has been awesome in Tampa. What other tackles were taken, offhand? Never mind. Just looked it up. Wills went ahead of Becton, and he's been good if I'm not mistaken, but three of those five first-round guys have sort of busted. 

I think JD would do that in a second.....but with Becton's well publicized issues I dont see them landing a 2d rder for him - if they do and could rplace him with Ike I could live with that though it completely destroys his 1st draft...sunk cost!

Im also starting to think about Jameson at #4...from what Ive seen/read he is the closest thing to Chase prospect when healthy - some scouts like him better than Waddle/D Smith - the other WRs in this draft are a big step down - if they cant land a star WR Im more than OK grabbing Jameson at #4 even if a little early - I dont think he makes it to #10

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Jets Deebo rumors heat up. More smoke, I’m hoping for fire.  

“ESPN's Rich Cimini reports that the 49ers would "ask for the moon if they decide to make" Deebo Samuel available.

Cimini also confirmed that, yes, the Jets are interested, speculating that the Jets would likely have to give up the No. 10 overall selection in a deal for Samuel. The 49ers continue to tell teams that they have no interest in trading Samuel. But deadlines drive action, and the threat of a holdout and/or locker room disruption will loom as the 49ers try to decide how to steer the ship on draft night.”