2023 NFL MVP race (2 Viewers)

[fatness]

Either Lamar or CMC after tonight

Brock lost it tonight. LJax deserves it.
Which is probably unique for a player the year after he signs a sweet deal.

He had a very good agent for that deal.

 

[JoeJoe88]

At this point my vote would go to CMC and I doubt that changes.

 

[crushedspirit]

None of these QBs being mentioned really have any MVP numbers to speak of, and some have way too many turnovers.

CMC is the only one who stands out from the crowd.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't see LJax winning with his stats.

I think CMC should be MVP

Lamar is an odd one. Stats aren't that great but then you see how good this team is and you look at the weapons around him. It's a backup TE, back up RB, a bunch of questionable WRs, etc. He is carrying this team.

And his OL is not great. But no matter how good the pass rush is, he can just sidestep them and get 5 more seconds to throw. Well, unless he trips over a ref.

 

[Soulfly3]

All those pages of "historical Purdy".... Oof.

Never an MVP. Ever. I miss when "elite" meant something.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I don't see LJax winning with his stats.

I think CMC should be MVP

Lamar is an odd one. Stats aren't that great but then you see how good this team is and you look at the weapons around him. It's a backup TE, back up RB, a bunch of questionable WRs, etc. He is carrying this team.

And his OL is not great. But no matter how good the pass rush is, he can just sidestep them and get 5 more seconds to throw. Well, unless he trips over a ref.

38-6

 

[kface]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

 

[-OZ-]

MVP shouldn’t be just about the numbers.

Without a doubt in my mind, Lamar makes the biggest difference above average replacement to his team. And the ravens are the best team in the NFL right now.

CMC is close, and if Tyreek has a big game next week and gets to 2k he’s definitely in it.

But if I had to vote today, it’s Lamar.

 

[Soulfly3]

Buck the trend, show ppl the award actually means something, and give it to both CMC and Hill.

I'd be completely fine w that.

Right now, it's likely Lamar tho. Which again, not on board with, but he'd be my pick.

 

[kface]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

 

[-OZ-]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

Ravens have a top 5 scoring offense.
flowers has been good as a rookie. Their 2nd best receiver since Andrews got out is a 31 year old OBJ who isn’t that good.
Their best running back is Lamar.
The guy is basically doing this by himself. Mahomes at least has Kelce but they haven’t been great lately.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

They are - what? - 3rd or 4th in PPG and just smoked a team ranked above them. Where do you think they'd be ranked without Lamar Jackson? I saw what happened to Baltimore without him the last two years.

Again, I'd vote for McCaffery or Hill. Hell, I'd probably vote for Miles Garrett above most of the QBs in the conversation.

 

[Zeppelin]

Lamar earned this last night.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don't see LJax winning with his stats.

I think CMC should be MVP

Lamar is an odd one. Stats aren't that great but then you see how good this team is and you look at the weapons around him. It's a backup TE, back up RB, a bunch of questionable WRs, etc. He is carrying this team.

While I agree that he is playing well, let's not forget that he did have Mark Andrews for the vast majority of the season (so the backup TE part only applies to this last part of the season), and saying he has a bunch of questionable WRs overlooks how good Zay Flowers has been. He hasn't been Puka, but he has been a very good rookie WR.

 

[Ilov80s]

I don't see LJax winning with his stats.

I think CMC should be MVP

Lamar is an odd one. Stats aren't that great but then you see how good this team is and you look at the weapons around him. It's a backup TE, back up RB, a bunch of questionable WRs, etc. He is carrying this team.

While I agree that he is playing well, let's not forget that he did have Mark Andrews for the vast majority of the season (so the backup TE part only applies to this last part of the season), and saying he has a bunch of questionable WRs overlooks how good Zay Flowers has been. He hasn't been Puka, but he has been a very good rookie WR.

True about Andrews and while Zay has been very good for a rookie. He’s still a rookie.

 

[BassNBrew]

I personally don't think Lamar deserves it yet, but I'm wondering if there will be a bias against him since he doesn't have an agent.

 

[kface]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

Ravens have a top 5 scoring offense.
flowers has been good as a rookie. Their 2nd best receiver since Andrews got out is a 31 year old OBJ who isn’t that good.
Their best running back is Lamar.
The guy is basically doing this by himself. Mahomes at least has Kelce but they haven’t been great lately.

If you are basing it on value to the team than Josh Allen is 100% MVP because the bills are nothing without him. The ravens have the top D in the league...that's why they are in first

 

[karl.Racki]

I still would like to see CMC get it.. I think he is the most valuable player to his team and their success. No complain if Lamar gets it as he also falls in that. I am just over it being a "QB award" that I would like to see a change.

 

[-OZ-]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

Ravens have a top 5 scoring offense.
flowers has been good as a rookie. Their 2nd best receiver since Andrews got out is a 31 year old OBJ who isn’t that good.
Their best running back is Lamar.
The guy is basically doing this by himself. Mahomes at least has Kelce but they haven’t been great lately.

If you are basing it on value to the team than Josh Allen is 100% MVP because the bills are nothing without him. The ravens have the top D in the league...that's why they are in first

He’s in my top 5, but at least Diggs is better than anything Lamar has to work with, Cook is pretty good too. Plus the ravens are the 1 seed and have beaten two of the top 3 NFC seeds. Plus, the bills defense is top 5 (although that’s probably due to playing a weaker schedule)

 

[jm192]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

 

[Deamon]

While I agree that he is playing well, let's not forget that he did have Mark Andrews for the vast majority of the season

Not sure I'd call 58% of the games as a 'vast majority'

 

[kface]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

Ravens have a top 5 scoring offense.
flowers has been good as a rookie. Their 2nd best receiver since Andrews got out is a 31 year old OBJ who isn’t that good.
Their best running back is Lamar.
The guy is basically doing this by himself. Mahomes at least has Kelce but they haven’t been great lately.

If you are basing it on value to the team than Josh Allen is 100% MVP because the bills are nothing without him. The ravens have the top D in the league...that's why they are in first

He’s in my top 5, but at least Diggs is better than anything Lamar has to work with, Cook is pretty good too. Plus the ravens are the 1 seed and have beaten two of the top 3 NFC seeds. Plus, the bills defense is top 5 (although that’s probably due to playing a weaker schedule)

Personally i think diggs is over the hill and lamar is playing with way better offensive play makers than the bills have

Plus of course the number 1 D

I'd give it to the ravens D before i'd give it to lamar

 

[Insein]

Lamar earned this last night.

And next week he might crap the bed against the dolphins. Does Tua earn it then? Is it like a title belt? Keeps getting dropped to whoever beats the de facto champ each week?

 

[-OZ-]

lamar is playing with way better offensive play makers than the bills have

I really don’t see how, unless Andrews were healthy.
But yes, the defense is better. OL would be a fair argument IMO

 

[-OZ-]

Lamar earned this last night.

And next week he might crap the bed against the dolphins. Does Tua earn it then? Is it like a title belt? Keeps getting dropped to whoever beats the de facto champ each week?

Many things are possible but the only week he’s come close to crapping the bed this year was against Cleveland.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

Ravens have a top 5 scoring offense.
flowers has been good as a rookie. Their 2nd best receiver since Andrews got out is a 31 year old OBJ who isn’t that good.
Their best running back is Lamar.
The guy is basically doing this by himself. Mahomes at least has Kelce but they haven’t been great lately.

If you are basing it on value to the team than Josh Allen is 100% MVP because the bills are nothing without him. The ravens have the top D in the league...that's why they are in first

He’s in my top 5, but at least Diggs is better than anything Lamar has to work with, Cook is pretty good too. Plus the ravens are the 1 seed and have beaten two of the top 3 NFC seeds. Plus, the bills defense is top 5 (although that’s probably due to playing a weaker schedule)

Personally i think diggs is over the ill and lamar is playing with way better offensive play makers than the bills have

Plus of course the number 1 D

Huh? You think that the Ravens currently have better receivers than Diggs or Gabe Davis? You think that Gus Edwards is comparable to Cook? I’m a big Josh Allen fan—but objectively—he has better offensive weapons alongside him than Lamar has sans Mark Andrews, JK Dobbins and Keaton Mitchell. The Niners were definitively the best team in the NFL going to last nights game—and Lamar and the Ravens dismantled them on the road. Yeah—the Ravens defense was solid—but let’s not act like there isn’t defensive talent on the Niners. Also—in regards to Allen—he is tied for second in turnovers this season with 18. Lamar and Purdy have 13.

 

[kface]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

Ravens have a top 5 scoring offense.
flowers has been good as a rookie. Their 2nd best receiver since Andrews got out is a 31 year old OBJ who isn’t that good.
Their best running back is Lamar.
The guy is basically doing this by himself. Mahomes at least has Kelce but they haven’t been great lately.

If you are basing it on value to the team than Josh Allen is 100% MVP because the bills are nothing without him. The ravens have the top D in the league...that's why they are in first

He’s in my top 5, but at least Diggs is better than anything Lamar has to work with, Cook is pretty good too. Plus the ravens are the 1 seed and have beaten two of the top 3 NFC seeds. Plus, the bills defense is top 5 (although that’s probably due to playing a weaker schedule)

Personally i think diggs is over the ill and lamar is playing with way better offensive play makers than the bills have

Plus of course the number 1 D

Huh? You think that the Ravens currently have better receivers than Diggs or Gabe Davis? You think that Gus Edwards is comparable to Cook? I’m a big Josh Allen fan—but objectively—he has better offensive weapons alongside him than Lamar has sans Mark Andrews, JK Dobbins and Keaton Mitchell. The Niners were definitively the best team in the NFL going to last nights game—and Lamar and the Ravens dismantled them on the road. Yeah—the Ravens defense was solid—but let’s not act like there isn’t defensive talent on the Niners. Also—in regards to Allen—he is tied for second in turnovers this season with 18. Lamar and Purdy have 13.

I think they do have better wrs. Davis is a chump...OBJ and zay jones are a better 1/2 than diggs/davis. Andrews is way better than what buff offers and mitchell/dobbons/edwards is not bad. Cooks has had a couple of good games but he's nothing special

Lamar has a 97 qbr with 19 tds this season...that is statistically not even close to an MVP qb season.

I get that there are no obvious choices but that's not right either...CMC or Hill or bust

And yes they dismantled the 49ers...because they have 4 TOs, a ton of QB pressures and sacks

 

[-OZ-]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

Ravens have a top 5 scoring offense.
flowers has been good as a rookie. Their 2nd best receiver since Andrews got out is a 31 year old OBJ who isn’t that good.
Their best running back is Lamar.
The guy is basically doing this by himself. Mahomes at least has Kelce but they haven’t been great lately.

If you are basing it on value to the team than Josh Allen is 100% MVP because the bills are nothing without him. The ravens have the top D in the league...that's why they are in first

He’s in my top 5, but at least Diggs is better than anything Lamar has to work with, Cook is pretty good too. Plus the ravens are the 1 seed and have beaten two of the top 3 NFC seeds. Plus, the bills defense is top 5 (although that’s probably due to playing a weaker schedule)

Personally i think diggs is over the ill and lamar is playing with way better offensive play makers than the bills have

Plus of course the number 1 D

Huh? You think that the Ravens currently have better receivers than Diggs or Gabe Davis? You think that Gus Edwards is comparable to Cook? I’m a big Josh Allen fan—but objectively—he has better offensive weapons alongside him than Lamar has sans Mark Andrews, JK Dobbins and Keaton Mitchell. The Niners were definitively the best team in the NFL going to last nights game—and Lamar and the Ravens dismantled them on the road. Yeah—the Ravens defense was solid—but let’s not act like there isn’t defensive talent on the Niners. Also—in regards to Allen—he is tied for second in turnovers this season with 18. Lamar and Purdy have 13.

I think they do have better wrs. Davis is a chump...OBJ and zay jones are a better 1/2 than diggs/davis. Andrews is way better than what buff offers and mitchell/dobbons/edwards is not bad. Cooks has had a couple of good games but he's nothing special

Lamar has a 97 qbr with 19 tds this season...that is statistically not even close to an MVP qb season.

I get that there are no obvious choices but that's not right either...CMC or Hill or bust

And yes they dismantled the 49ers...because they have 4 TOs, a ton of QB pressures and sacks

It’s always interesting to see how different some of us see this.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

It's cmc
They can't give it to lamar. His numbers are straight pedestrian

I'd give it to CMC or Hill this season. but look at the Ravens' wins/losses without Jackson the last couple of years. His numbers could be considered "pedestrian" in '21 & '22 also, but Baltimore couldn't win when he got hurt.

So take a team that hasn't an ok offense and say remove the MVP and that ok offense becomes a bad offense....not seeing that as a case for MVP. The Eagles would suck without Hurts too so give it to hurts then. Or mahones because the chiefs would suck without him.

There should be an option to just not give it in any given year

Ravens have a top 5 scoring offense.
flowers has been good as a rookie. Their 2nd best receiver since Andrews got out is a 31 year old OBJ who isn’t that good.
Their best running back is Lamar.
The guy is basically doing this by himself. Mahomes at least has Kelce but they haven’t been great lately.

If you are basing it on value to the team than Josh Allen is 100% MVP because the bills are nothing without him. The ravens have the top D in the league...that's why they are in first

He’s in my top 5, but at least Diggs is better than anything Lamar has to work with, Cook is pretty good too. Plus the ravens are the 1 seed and have beaten two of the top 3 NFC seeds. Plus, the bills defense is top 5 (although that’s probably due to playing a weaker schedule)

Personally i think diggs is over the ill and lamar is playing with way better offensive play makers than the bills have

Plus of course the number 1 D

Huh? You think that the Ravens currently have better receivers than Diggs or Gabe Davis? You think that Gus Edwards is comparable to Cook? I’m a big Josh Allen fan—but objectively—he has better offensive weapons alongside him than Lamar has sans Mark Andrews, JK Dobbins and Keaton Mitchell. The Niners were definitively the best team in the NFL going to last nights game—and Lamar and the Ravens dismantled them on the road. Yeah—the Ravens defense was solid—but let’s not act like there isn’t defensive talent on the Niners. Also—in regards to Allen—he is tied for second in turnovers this season with 18. Lamar and Purdy have 13.

I think they do have better wrs. Davis is a chump...OBJ and zay jones are a better 1/2 than diggs/davis. Andrews is way better than what buff offers and mitchell/dobbons/edwards is not bad. Cooks has had a couple of good games but he's nothing special

Lamar has a 97 qbr with 19 tds this season...that is statistically not even close to an MVP qb season.

I get that there are no obvious choices but that's not right either...CMC or Hill or bust

And yes they dismantled the 49ers...because they have 4 TOs, a ton of QB pressures and sacks

Dobbins got hurt early in the season. Andrews was dinged up to start the season and has missed games down the stretch. OBJ is a shell of his former self. Mitchell had like 2 or 3 good games before being lost for the year.

Secondly—where is the part that says that there is a statistical prerequisite for winning the MVP? Is this something new—or is this just a made up dynamic that people are bringing up to justify removing somebody from the MVP race? Stats are just one facet of what goes into MVP consideration. If a guy puts up monster stats on a bottom of the barrel team—should they be an MVP favorite? One of the biggest factors in determining winners and losers in the NFL are turnovers. Allen is one of the league leaders in turnovers committed. It’s hard to not take that into account. If we are making stats the biggest driver for determining an MVP—how does overlooking possibly the most important negative stat for a qb (turnovers) come into play?

 

[jobarules]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

 

[BassNBrew]

Are we at the point that Joe Flacco enters the conversation?

 

[The Duff Man]

Allen has been CLUTCH this season.

NYJ - FG drive with under 2 min to send it to OT, lose on punt return

NE - TD with under 2 min, banged up defence hadn’t found their way yet and let Mac Jones score a TD late

DEN - TD with under 2 min, Bills win except they have too many men on missed FG letting Den rekick

PHI - TD with under 2 min to take the lead, D gives up a 60 yarder in the rain and they lose in OT

In 6 losses he scored late in 4, three of those putting them ahead AND STILL LOSING.

As A BET I still like Allen as a long long shot. They can get the 2 seed winning out if Bal beats Mia. He usually chews up Miami and if he puts up 4 TDs or something it can happen.

Only player to have 40+ TDs in four straight seasons. 5 more than the next best right now (Hurts)

First player to have a running and passing TD in 10+ games a year (has 11).

Edit to add: it would be a story to go from the 10 seed with five weeks to go, run the table through KC, Dal and Mia and end up the 2 seed.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Allen has been CLUTCH this season.

NYJ - FG drive with under 2 min to send it to OT, lose on punt return

NE - TD with under 2 min, banged up defence hadn’t found their way yet and let Mac Jones score a TD late

DEN - TD with under 2 min, Bills win except they have too many men on missed FG letting Den rekick

PHI - TD with under 2 min to take the lead, D gives up a 60 yarder in the rain and they lose in OT

In 6 losses he scored late in 4, three of those putting them ahead AND STILL LOSING.

As A BET I still like Allen as a long long shot. They can get the 2 seed winning out if Bal beats Mia. He usually chews up Miami and if he puts up 4 TDs or something it can happen.

Only player to have 40+ TDs in four straight seasons. 5 more than the next best right now (Hurts)

First player to have a running and passing TD in 10+ games a year (has 11).

If Baltimore beats Miami—you don’t think that would effectively help solidify Lamar as being the favorite for MVP? Keep in mind—I’m not disagreeing with you. If Baltimore loses next week and Lamar has a really bad game—the MVP race opens right back up—but if that happens—that reduces Buffalo’s chances of the 2 seed, no?

 

[The Duff Man]

Allen has been CLUTCH this season.

NYJ - FG drive with under 2 min to send it to OT, lose on punt return

NE - TD with under 2 min, banged up defence hadn’t found their way yet and let Mac Jones score a TD late

DEN - TD with under 2 min, Bills win except they have too many men on missed FG letting Den rekick

PHI - TD with under 2 min to take the lead, D gives up a 60 yarder in the rain and they lose in OT

In 6 losses he scored late in 4, three of those putting them ahead AND STILL LOSING.

As A BET I still like Allen as a long long shot. They can get the 2 seed winning out if Bal beats Mia. He usually chews up Miami and if he puts up 4 TDs or something it can happen.

Only player to have 40+ TDs in four straight seasons. 5 more than the next best right now (Hurts)

First player to have a running and passing TD in 10+ games a year (has 11).

If Baltimore beats Miami—you don’t think that would effectively help solidify Lamar as being the favorite for MVP? Keep in mind—I’m not disagreeing with you. If Baltimore loses next week and Lamar has a really bad game—the MVP race opens right back up—but if that happens—that reduces Buffalo’s chances of the 2 seed, no?

Yeah Allen’s problem will be that the voters who don’t want to give it to Lamar due to stats not being up to snuff might also bypass him due to INTs. He will need them to look into the details of those INTs, how many were Hail Marys on 3rd and long, end of first half of off WRs hands.

Current odds are 11:1 so a nice payday if it hit.

 

[Soulfly3]

Are we at the point that Joe Flacco enters the conversation?

If they clinch the 1 seed somehow (which I'm not sure is possible anymore) then ya, I'd have given him a shout... But they'd never give it to a guy who came to a team that late in the season. I don't blame them on that either. But yes, in the convo, just not a serious convo

 

[FairWarning]

Either Lamar or CMC after tonight

Funny how the 49ers getting blown out on a primetime game makes one of their players, who is playing in the game, rise in the MVP odds....but I get it

His odds improved because he’s less likely to split votes with Purdy.

 

[kface]

Either Lamar or CMC after tonight

Funny how the 49ers getting blown out on a primetime game makes one of their players, who is playing in the game, rise in the MVP odds....but I get it

His odds improved because he’s less likely to split votes with Purdy.

And the baltimore D got 4 turnovers. They didn't win that game because of LJ...they won that game because of the D. And CMC in the loss averaged 8.7 ypc

 

[Wingnut]

Either Lamar or CMC after tonight

Funny how the 49ers getting blown out on a primetime game makes one of their players, who is playing in the game, rise in the MVP odds....but I get it

His odds improved because he’s less likely to split votes with Purdy.

And the baltimore D got 4 turnovers. They didn't win that game because of LJ...the won that game because of the D. And CMC in the loss averaged 8.7 ypc

5 turnovers. Darnold threw one as well. And Lamar got 5 free first downs on penalties. At least 2 were on 3rd downs, which kept drives alive.

Lamar is great, but he didn't take over the game like he does, he was handed chance after chance and he made the most out of them.

 

[jm192]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

 

[Terpman22]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

The fact that this simple, easily executed play that literally is designed to get just 1 yard, is so damn polarizing, makes me laugh every single time. With the most weird lines to knock it down.

"ThAtS nOTT HoW a RUShinG tOUchDOwn shOULd looK! jALEN is STEALING his Rb's GLOrY!"

 

[kface]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

The fact that this simple, easily executed play that literally is designed to get just 1 yard, is so damn polarizing, makes me laugh every single time. With the most weird lines to knock it down.

"ThAtS nOTT HoW a RUShinG tOUchDOwn shOULd looK! jALEN is STEALING his Rb's GLOrY!"

Hijacking the thread a little bit but talk about banning it is so dumb...one day someone is going to roll onto Hurts is knee or ankle in that pile and it will be gone anyway

 

[fred_1_15301]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

The fact that this simple, easily executed play that literally is designed to get just 1 yard, is so damn polarizing, makes me laugh every single time. With the most weird lines to knock it down.

"ThAtS nOTT HoW a RUShinG tOUchDOwn shOULd looK! jALEN is STEALING his Rb's GLOrY!"

Hijacking the thread a little bit but talk about banning it is so dumb...one day someone is going to roll onto Hurts is knee or ankle in that pile and it will be gone anyway

Keep waiting for that one day. Eagles run it more than anyone and it still hasn’t happened. . Clearly it can’t be too risky of a play.

 

[Terpman22]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

The fact that this simple, easily executed play that literally is designed to get just 1 yard, is so damn polarizing, makes me laugh every single time. With the most weird lines to knock it down.

"ThAtS nOTT HoW a RUShinG tOUchDOwn shOULd looK! jALEN is STEALING his Rb's GLOrY!"

Hijacking the thread a little bit but talk about banning it is so dumb...one day someone is going to roll onto Hurts is knee or ankle in that pile and it will be gone anyway

Maybe, maybe not. Guys get hurt all the time in the NFL with literally no contact.

Thread back on track though - If I had a vote, today would be me voting for CMC. What he is doing behind a very average offensive line is really impressive. As far as "Best RB in football" it starts with him and then everyone else is at least a tier or 2 below. He's a fun player to watch and I think when/if he finishes with 25+ TDs and 2k scrimmage yards its gonna be a lock.

 

[jobarules]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

 

[Judge Smails]

Wow. Purdy had it sewn up but lost it. Gone the way of Dak. Some fluke tipped picks but still - 4 picks on prime time in a big game means you’re out. Should be between Lamar and CMC now. I think CMC should get it. He’s been great all year.

 

[-OZ-]

Keep waiting for that one day. Eagles run it more than anyone and it still hasn’t happened. . Clearly it can’t be too risky of a play.

I still don’t get why they wouldn’t just direct snap to swift or gainwell if hurts wasn’t the best player to execute that play. (He is, because among other things, he’s strong like bull)

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Either Lamar or CMC after tonight

Funny how the 49ers getting blown out on a primetime game makes one of their players, who is playing in the game, rise in the MVP odds....but I get it

His odds improved because he’s less likely to split votes with Purdy.

And the baltimore D got 4 turnovers. They didn't win that game because of LJ...the won that game because of the D. And CMC in the loss averaged 8.7 ypc

5 turnovers. Darnold threw one as well. And Lamar got 5 free first downs on penalties. At least 2 were on 3rd downs, which kept drives alive.

Lamar is great, but he didn't take over the game like he does, he was handed chance after chance and he made the most out of them.

Three of Purdys’ turnovers occurred in the first half. The Ravens led at halftime 16-12. Let’s not act like the 49ers defense isn’t elite either. Their starting qb threw 3 interceptions in the first half—and they managed to keep the score within one possession with the 49ers receiving the ball to start the second half. It’s funny how people are using the Ravens defense as a vector of discrediting what Lamar is doing—but nobody has once mentioned the insane talent on the 49ers defense when it comes to the success of the 49ers this season and the impact it possibly has on the MVP race.

 

[kface]

Either Lamar or CMC after tonight

Funny how the 49ers getting blown out on a primetime game makes one of their players, who is playing in the game, rise in the MVP odds....but I get it

His odds improved because he’s less likely to split votes with Purdy.

And the baltimore D got 4 turnovers. They didn't win that game because of LJ...the won that game because of the D. And CMC in the loss averaged 8.7 ypc

5 turnovers. Darnold threw one as well. And Lamar got 5 free first downs on penalties. At least 2 were on 3rd downs, which kept drives alive.

Lamar is great, but he didn't take over the game like he does, he was handed chance after chance and he made the most out of them.

Three of Purdys’ turnovers occurred in the first half. The Ravens led at halftime 16-12. Let’s not act like the 49ers defense isn’t elite either. Their starting qb threw 3 interceptions in the first half—and they managed to keep the score within one possession with the 49ers receiving the ball to start the second half. It’s funny how people are using the Ravens defense as a vector of discrediting what Lamar is doing—but nobody has once mentioned the insane talent on the 49ers defense when it comes to the success of the 49ers this season and the impact it possibly has on the MVP race.

The difference being that the 49ers candidate for MVP - CMC is having an outstanding season statistically. LJ is having a very mediocre season statically

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Either Lamar or CMC after tonight

Funny how the 49ers getting blown out on a primetime game makes one of their players, who is playing in the game, rise in the MVP odds....but I get it

His odds improved because he’s less likely to split votes with Purdy.

And the baltimore D got 4 turnovers. They didn't win that game because of LJ...the won that game because of the D. And CMC in the loss averaged 8.7 ypc

5 turnovers. Darnold threw one as well. And Lamar got 5 free first downs on penalties. At least 2 were on 3rd downs, which kept drives alive.

Lamar is great, but he didn't take over the game like he does, he was handed chance after chance and he made the most out of them.

Three of Purdys’ turnovers occurred in the first half. The Ravens led at halftime 16-12. Let’s not act like the 49ers defense isn’t elite either. Their starting qb threw 3 interceptions in the first half—and they managed to keep the score within one possession with the 49ers receiving the ball to start the second half. It’s funny how people are using the Ravens defense as a vector of discrediting what Lamar is doing—but nobody has once mentioned the insane talent on the 49ers defense when it comes to the success of the 49ers this season and the impact it possibly has on the MVP race.

The difference being that the 49ers candidate for MVP - CMC is having an outstanding season statistically. LJ is having a very mediocre season statically

CMC is on a far superior team when it comes to talent and what they have had to deal with in regards to injuries this season. The 49ers have one of the most elite and talented core of receivers. They have a tight end that very easily could make the hall of fame. They have insane talent on the defensive side of the ball—and yet—the Ravens have a better record than they do. The Ravens went to their house on a nationally televised game and beat them convincingly. Sure—Lamar’s stats didn’t jump off of the screen—but he also didn’t look lost and do what he can to lose the game for his team like Purdy did. CMAC is a stud. However, if you replace him with a healthy Elijah Mitchell—I would bet that the 49ers would still be leading that division and would still be a contender to win a title. You take Lamar off of Baltimore—and we already have seen what that looks like. They go from being a contender to being irrelevant. The award is for the Most Valuable Player—not the Most Statsticially Dominant player.